ForeverNoob[m]hello, are lowlatency kernels included if I choose to enable HWE kernels?00:26
EickmeyerForeverNoob[m]: There's a lowlatency variant of the HWE kernel.00:37
EickmeyerHWE just means Hardware Enablement.00:38
EickmeyerReally only applies to newer hardware.00:38
ForeverNoob[m]yeah I wanted to have WireGuard support but don't have a more recent kernel for it (I'm on 18.04)00:38
EickmeyerYou'd be better served upgrading to 20.04, 18.04 was not a long-term support release for Ubuntu Studio.00:39
ForeverNoob[m]oh what's the EOL for 18.04 then?00:41
EickmeyerIt *was* January of last year.00:41
EickmeyerWe kept it on life support with the backports PPA, but we've since stopped backporting to 18.04.00:42
ForeverNoob[m]oh... I'm kinda hesitant to switch to 20.04 somewhat because of the snap situation (I don't have much disk space etc.)00:42
EickmeyerWe don't install any snaps by default for Ubuntu Studio.00:43
ForeverNoob[m]but now that I know that 18.04 has been deprecated I guess I have to00:43
ForeverNoob[m]but isn't that dependent on upstream? Like if I "apt install chromium-browser" it would install the snap00:44
EickmeyerYes, that's true, but that's just chromium.00:44
EickmeyerChromium is the only package that forces a snap install.00:44
geniiActually, i thinkere's others00:45
ForeverNoob[m]so not Firefox?00:45
EickmeyerBTW, Ubuntu is not an upstream, Ubuntu Studio *is* Ubuntu.00:45
EickmeyerNot Firefox.00:45
EickmeyerAnd if you're running an underpowered machine with low disk space, Ubuntu Studio is not for you. It's made for higher-end hardware.00:45
geniiSome GTK things are now also that thing where you use package manager and it installs snap then installs the actual thing00:46
ForeverNoob[m]even if I just install ubuntu server and then install Ubuntu Studio specific packages ?00:46
Eickmeyer!ubuntustudio-installer | ForeverNoob[m]00:47
ubottuForeverNoob[m]: Ubuntu Studio Installer is an app that can be used to add Ubuntu Studio's benefits to an existing Ubuntu (or official flavor) installation, or add additional packages. For more info, see https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer/00:47
EickmeyerForeverNoob[m]: That's not the recommended route at all.00:47
EickmeyerWould make zero sense.00:47
EickmeyerAlso would make no difference.00:48
ForeverNoob[m]well suppose I have a crappy laptop, I'd then just install ubuntu server (which is rather minimal and without GUI packages), then I'd install something like i3 or awesomeWM and then I'd run the Ubuntu Studio Installer. I won't have the huge GUI of Plasma / XFCE but still have Ubuntu Studio experience. Won't that make sense?00:49
EickmeyerNot at all. The Ubuntu Studio items require a GUI.00:50
EickmeyerOtherwise you're just running Ubuntu Server.00:50
ForeverNoob[m]yeah but my GUI would just be a lightweight window manager00:51
EickmeyerOk, that's fine. We just can't support it here, that's all.00:51
ForeverNoob[m]instead of a full desktop thing like Plasma or XFCE00:51
ForeverNoob[m]huh? why not? Isn't that just Ubuntu + Ubuntu Studio packages then?00:52
EickmeyerUbuntu Studio packages is very ambiguous. They're all Ubuntu packages. The Ubuntu Studio packages configure the environment for certain things.00:53
EickmeyerUbuntu Studio simply refers to the default install and environment, such as Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc.00:54
EickmeyerNot a separate distribution.00:54
ForeverNoob[m]well in this case I meant the Ubuntu Studio specific packages that I'd install via the Ubuntu Studio Installer00:55
EickmeyerThose are simply metapackages, not actual packages.00:56
EickmeyerSupport still falls on whatever flavor you initially install.00:56
EickmeyerAnd we'00:56
Eickmeyerre all volunteers, so nobody is even *required* to give you technical support.00:56
ForeverNoob[m]...and since it's all Ubuntu, I'm not quite understanding why Ubuntu Server + minimal WM + Ubuntu Studio metapackages will not be considered for support here.00:57
EickmeyerYou'd get most of your support from #ubuntu, that's all.00:57
EickmeyerYou can't *magically* transform anything into Ubuntu Studio.00:58
geniiEickmeyer: ubuntustudio-desktop packages itself seems to have XFCE specific things as depends and not as recommends00:59
ForeverNoob[m]not anything, I was specifically referring to an official flavor of Ubuntu.00:59
Eickmeyergenii: That's true for 20.04 and prior. 20.10 and later uses Plasma.00:59
EickmeyerForeverNoob[m]: genii makes a great point. If you install ubuntustudio-desktop, it will pull-in Xfce.01:00
Eickmeyergenii: ubuntustudio-installer doesn't install ubuntustudio-desktop.01:00
AppAraat[m]hmm, I too was under the impression that the config ForeverNoob is describing would be supported here. But I think Eickmeyer is referring to general Ubuntu questions, which are indeed best asked in #ubuntu on Freenode.01:01
* Eickmeyer might be saying some things out-of-line, he's a little burnt-out and had a bad day.01:01
EickmeyerThe Ubuntu Studio-specific items would, of course, be supported. I may have said that wrong.01:02
geniiThat actually makes better sense then, to install whatever DE you prefer then ubuntustudio-installer for the specific suite of apps01:02
EickmeyerThe i3 window manager would not.01:02
ForeverNoob[m]oh no that's totally fine, I didn't get the feeling that you were out of line and I'm sorry if my questions came across as a bit pertinent, I was just eager to have some clarification on things.01:03
Eickmeyer!ubuntustudio-installer | genii: It's a really handy tool.01:03
ubottugenii: It's a really handy tool.: Ubuntu Studio Installer is an app that can be used to add Ubuntu Studio's benefits to an existing Ubuntu (or official flavor) installation, or add additional packages. For more info, see https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer/01:03
geniiDoes it rely on a realtime kernel though?01:03
Eickmeyergenii: Nope.01:03
Eickmeyer!rt | genii01:03
ubottugenii: The RT kernel is the Linux kernel with special realtime patches applied. It is not available in Ubuntu. See also !lowlatency and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel01:03
EickmeyerTL;DR: Realtime kernels are a *BAD IDEA* on Desktop Linux.01:04
geniiI have issues on this box with realtime/lowlatency01:04
ForeverNoob[m]an yeah I was always intending to ask the general ubuntu questions in #ubuntu :)01:04
EickmeyerFrom a security standpoint.01:04
ForeverNoob[m]yeah RT is only used in super-specific industrial applications and such, and usually those systems do not come in contact with network etc.01:05
ForeverNoob[m]lowlatency is something different AFAIK01:05
EickmeyerIt is. Even if a process takes RT priority the user still has some access to userspace to do something.01:06
sakrecoer[m]Anyone knows what happened to the button in srdour to change the sync mode (internal/slave/jack)... It's referenced in the manual too, but it seems to be gone in Ardour611:50
OvenWerkssakrecoer[m]: at the very left of the transport under the ! button there is a button that says "int." is that the one you are lookign for?19:30
sakrecoer[m]<OvenWerks "εΎ’ π–˜π–Šπ–™π–™π–” γ‚»γƒƒγƒˆπŸ•ΈοΈπŸ΄οΈ: at the v"> It sounds like the one... But here it's not a button... It's just text saying "int." And it's not glickable22:46
sakrecoer[m]Or maybe.. I was referring to the text under the timestamp display. I just turned of the computer... I probably looked to hard ...22:48

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