[00:26] <ForeverNoob[m]> hello, are lowlatency kernels included if I choose to enable HWE kernels?
[00:37] <Eickmeyer> ForeverNoob[m]: There's a lowlatency variant of the HWE kernel.
[00:38] <Eickmeyer> HWE just means Hardware Enablement.
[00:38] <Eickmeyer> Really only applies to newer hardware.
[00:38] <ForeverNoob[m]> yeah I wanted to have WireGuard support but don't have a more recent kernel for it (I'm on 18.04)
[00:39] <Eickmeyer> You'd be better served upgrading to 20.04, 18.04 was not a long-term support release for Ubuntu Studio.
[00:41] <ForeverNoob[m]> oh what's the EOL for 18.04 then?
[00:41] <Eickmeyer> It *was* January of last year.
[00:42] <Eickmeyer> We kept it on life support with the backports PPA, but we've since stopped backporting to 18.04.
[00:42] <ForeverNoob[m]> oh... I'm kinda hesitant to switch to 20.04 somewhat because of the snap situation (I don't have much disk space etc.)
[00:43] <Eickmeyer> We don't install any snaps by default for Ubuntu Studio.
[00:43] <ForeverNoob[m]> but now that I know that 18.04 has been deprecated I guess I have to
[00:44] <ForeverNoob[m]> but isn't that dependent on upstream? Like if I "apt install chromium-browser" it would install the snap
[00:44] <Eickmeyer> Yes, that's true, but that's just chromium.
[00:44] <Eickmeyer> Chromium is the only package that forces a snap install.
[00:45] <genii> Actually, i thinkere's others
[00:45] <ForeverNoob[m]> so not Firefox?
[00:45] <Eickmeyer> BTW, Ubuntu is not an upstream, Ubuntu Studio *is* Ubuntu.
[00:45] <Eickmeyer> Not Firefox.
[00:45] <Eickmeyer> And if you're running an underpowered machine with low disk space, Ubuntu Studio is not for you. It's made for higher-end hardware.
[00:46] <genii> Some GTK things are now also that thing where you use package manager and it installs snap then installs the actual thing
[00:46] <ForeverNoob[m]> even if I just install ubuntu server and then install Ubuntu Studio specific packages ?
[00:47] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer | ForeverNoob[m]
[00:47] <Eickmeyer> ForeverNoob[m]: That's not the recommended route at all.
[00:47] <Eickmeyer> Would make zero sense.
[00:48] <Eickmeyer> Also would make no difference.
[00:49] <ForeverNoob[m]> well suppose I have a crappy laptop, I'd then just install ubuntu server (which is rather minimal and without GUI packages), then I'd install something like i3 or awesomeWM and then I'd run the Ubuntu Studio Installer. I won't have the huge GUI of Plasma / XFCE but still have Ubuntu Studio experience. Won't that make sense?
[00:50] <Eickmeyer> Not at all. The Ubuntu Studio items require a GUI.
[00:50] <Eickmeyer> Otherwise you're just running Ubuntu Server.
[00:51] <ForeverNoob[m]> yeah but my GUI would just be a lightweight window manager
[00:51] <Eickmeyer> Ok, that's fine. We just can't support it here, that's all.
[00:51] <ForeverNoob[m]> instead of a full desktop thing like Plasma or XFCE
[00:52] <ForeverNoob[m]> huh? why not? Isn't that just Ubuntu + Ubuntu Studio packages then?
[00:53] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu Studio packages is very ambiguous. They're all Ubuntu packages. The Ubuntu Studio packages configure the environment for certain things.
[00:54] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu Studio simply refers to the default install and environment, such as Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc.
[00:54] <Eickmeyer> Not a separate distribution.
[00:55] <ForeverNoob[m]> well in this case I meant the Ubuntu Studio specific packages that I'd install via the Ubuntu Studio Installer
[00:56] <Eickmeyer> Those are simply metapackages, not actual packages.
[00:56] <Eickmeyer> Support still falls on whatever flavor you initially install.
[00:56] <Eickmeyer> And we'
[00:56] <Eickmeyer> re all volunteers, so nobody is even *required* to give you technical support.
[00:57] <ForeverNoob[m]> ...and since it's all Ubuntu, I'm not quite understanding why Ubuntu Server + minimal WM + Ubuntu Studio metapackages will not be considered for support here.
[00:57] <Eickmeyer> You'd get most of your support from #ubuntu, that's all.
[00:58] <Eickmeyer> You can't *magically* transform anything into Ubuntu Studio.
[00:59] <genii> Eickmeyer: ubuntustudio-desktop packages itself seems to have XFCE specific things as depends and not as recommends
[00:59] <ForeverNoob[m]> not anything, I was specifically referring to an official flavor of Ubuntu.
[00:59] <Eickmeyer> genii: That's true for 20.04 and prior. 20.10 and later uses Plasma.
[00:59] <genii> Interesting
[01:00] <Eickmeyer> ForeverNoob[m]: genii makes a great point. If you install ubuntustudio-desktop, it will pull-in Xfce.
[01:00] <Eickmeyer> genii: ubuntustudio-installer doesn't install ubuntustudio-desktop.
[01:01] <AppAraat[m]> hmm, I too was under the impression that the config ForeverNoob is describing would be supported here. But I think Eickmeyer is referring to general Ubuntu questions, which are indeed best asked in #ubuntu on Freenode.
[01:01]  * Eickmeyer might be saying some things out-of-line, he's a little burnt-out and had a bad day.
[01:02] <Eickmeyer> The Ubuntu Studio-specific items would, of course, be supported. I may have said that wrong.
[01:02] <genii> That actually makes better sense then, to install whatever DE you prefer then ubuntustudio-installer for the specific suite of apps
[01:02] <Eickmeyer> The i3 window manager would not.
[01:03] <ForeverNoob[m]> oh no that's totally fine, I didn't get the feeling that you were out of line and I'm sorry if my questions came across as a bit pertinent, I was just eager to have some clarification on things.
[01:03] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer | genii: It's a really handy tool.
[01:03] <genii> Does it rely on a realtime kernel though?
[01:03] <Eickmeyer> genii: Nope.
[01:03] <Eickmeyer> !rt | genii
[01:04] <Eickmeyer> TL;DR: Realtime kernels are a *BAD IDEA* on Desktop Linux.
[01:04] <genii> I have issues on this box with realtime/lowlatency
[01:04] <ForeverNoob[m]> an yeah I was always intending to ask the general ubuntu questions in #ubuntu :)
[01:04] <Eickmeyer> From a security standpoint.
[01:05] <ForeverNoob[m]> yeah RT is only used in super-specific industrial applications and such, and usually those systems do not come in contact with network etc.
[01:05] <Eickmeyer> Exactly.
[01:05] <ForeverNoob[m]> lowlatency is something different AFAIK
[01:06] <Eickmeyer> It is. Even if a process takes RT priority the user still has some access to userspace to do something.
[11:50] <sakrecoer[m]> Anyone knows what happened to the button in srdour to change the sync mode (internal/slave/jack)... It's referenced in the manual too, but it seems to be gone in Ardour6
[19:30] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[m]: at the very left of the transport under the ! button there is a button that says "int." is that the one you are lookign for?
[22:46] <sakrecoer[m]> <OvenWerks "徒 𝖘𝖊𝖙𝖙𝖔 セット🕸️🏴️: at the v"> It sounds like the one... But here it's not a button... It's just text saying "int." And it's not glickable
[22:48] <sakrecoer[m]> Or maybe.. I was referring to the text under the timestamp display. I just turned of the computer... I probably looked to hard ...