callmepkgood morning01:43
pieqMorning everyone! Hey callmepk !01:44
callmepkhi pieq01:45
dufluHi callmepk and pieq 02:28
callmepkhi duflu 02:28
pieqduflu, you're a star, I saw the Phoronix article about your 4k fix for Gnome, and your praise on Reddit, ahah02:47
pieqduflu, (and so now I know you have a 4k screen, too!)02:47
pieqduflu, what scaling do you use? I've been quite disappointed with all the tests I've done: even at 200% (i.e. integer scaling), applications like Telegram and such are blurry02:48
pieqduflu, the only thing I found was to stay at 100%, and pump the font scaling to 1.5 in GNOME Tweaks02:48
pieq(and icons, and cursor)02:49
duflupieq, it's still pretty slow for me, but that's good because it provides a convenient test environment. I use 200% integer scaling, not fractional. But I also use very few apps so don't depend on anything that doesn't support it02:49
pieqduflu, xorg or wayland?02:52
pieqduflu, what IRC client do you use? I found out that hexchat did not support scaling at all (= blurry window and fonts)02:53
duflupieq, both actually. My main focal desktop is Xorg and my groovy dev machine is usually with Wayland. They have identical hardware02:53
duflupieq, actually HexChat supports 200% kind of, fine. Maybe it just doesn't support fractional02:54
duflusuper sharp, not blurry02:54
pieqduflu, I wanted to use Polari, but then I'm facing this issue: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/polari/-/issues/11802:54
pieqduflu, OK then it's weird, cause when I enable 200% on wayland, a lot of apps are blurry... I'm not sure what I've done wrong.02:55
duflupieq, Wayland scaling is different to Xorg, and fractional scaling is different to integer, and there are TWO separate implementations of fractional scaling02:56
duflupieq, HexChat is very sharp at 200% in Xorg with fractional scaling off02:57
duflupieq, you can also do fine adjustments in Gnome Tweaks > Fonts02:57
pieqduflu, but "200%" scaling on Wayland is an integer scaling, right? So I should get sharp stuff for this...02:59
pieqduflu, I'm not near my home desktop right now, I'll keep investigating later02:59
duflupieq, depends on the app, and Wayland will do it differently to Xorg03:00
pieqduflu, what size is your screen? Mine is 27"03:00
dufluYep, 27" 3840x216003:00
pieqargh... that's too complicated (I mean the fact that different apps react differently, and the xorg/wayland thing)03:00
dufluYeah there are too many combinations03:00
dufluIt's a mess03:00
pieqI wish we could agree upon something to use, and use it. I hope the Xorg → Wayland transition doesn't take 12 years like the Python 2 → Python 3 transition!03:01
duflupieq, actually everyone other than Ubuntu and Nvidia have transitioned03:11
dufluso people are trying03:11
dufluIt's taking a few years for the major web browsers though03:14
pieqduflu, yeah, I like how there is a dedicated workflow for Firefox on Wayland when using Fedora. I wish we had something like that in place with Ubuntu03:17
duflupieq, env MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=103:18
dufluor in your /etc/environment03:19
pieqduflu, yeah that's what I ended up doing03:20
pieqcreated different desktop launchers03:20
pieqand faced the super annoying issue with GNOME only showing the first 12 chars in the overview, so all my launchers are like "Firefo..." and I never know which one to run :D03:20
luna_watching Wimpress and sil code the Rhino :P04:14
luna_missed it live yesterday but woke up early due to the lightning strikes here in Stockholm this morning04:17
seb128goood morning desktopers05:59
dufluHi seb128 06:00
seb128hey duflu, how are you? had a good w.e?06:06
dufluseb128, it went fast but at least I got a few things done. Been raining lots here. You?06:09
dufluGood to see the post-focal bug expiries are now starting06:11
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers06:21
seb128hey oSoMoN, wb, did you have a good week of vac?06:28
seb128duflu, w.e was nice, a bit windy and rainy but we still managed to walk around a bit06:29
oSoMoNsalut seb128, yeah, quite relaxing, thanks!06:29
dufluMorning oSoMoN 06:30
oSoMoNhey duflu06:39
marcustomlinsonmorning desktoppers06:50
oSoMoNgood morning marcustomlinson 06:53
marcustomlinsonhey oSoMoN how was your week off?06:58
oSoMoNpretty good, I spent all the time with friends and family, and slept a lot more than usual07:00
marcustomlinsonsounds excellent07:09
dufluHi marcustomlinson 07:34
marcustomlinsonhey duflu07:35
seb128hey marcustomlinson, wb, did you have a good of vac?07:49
seb128oSoMoN, sleep sounds nice! I see that you had the laptop with you at the end :p07:49
marcustomlinsonseb128: was very nice thanks! lockdown eased enough for us to visit my parents a couple times. hit the beach too. nice and relaxing.07:51
oSoMoNseb128, I did, and I don't regret it, I poked at the nodejs/firefox update throughout the week and now I'm less stressed about it07:54
seb128oSoMoN, as long as you managed to get pulled too much into work mode and properly relaxed still I guess that's fine :)07:59
ricotzhey desktopers!08:00
Laneyguten morgen08:00
dufluHi ricotz and Laney 08:04
Laneyhowdy duflu 08:08
seb128hey ricotz, Laney, how are you? had a good w.e?08:14
Laneymoin seb128 08:19
Laneyyeah was alright, not super nice weather but not as bad as the forecast had predicted08:20
Laneydid some playing with networking, trying to get things in a better order before i get a new connection on friday08:20
Laneyhope you did too!08:20
Laneywhy no sound? oh, I restarted, and therefore Pulseaudio forgot which output I had selected before08:32
Laney:| :| :| :| :|08:32
seb128w.e was alright, weather was not great but nice enough that we could go to the playground and have some fun there yesterday08:35
jibelwelcome to the club of PA lovers08:35
seb128@sound bugs :-(08:35
seb128would probably be useful to report those issues upstream08:36
seb128we currently fail at deal with audio issue, it would increase chances to have someone looking at the problem08:36
seb128Laney, is than hdmi that you use?08:37
jibelyeah but the stack is complex and between the kernel, alsa, pa and the shell it's hard to determine where the problem is08:37
seb128well, you can always take a guess, if you are wrong they will just close the bug telling you to go to $otherplace08:38
seb128they might help you to figure out what the right component is :)08:38
duflu"shotgunning" as my former Texan manager would say08:39
dufluWhich I think refers to spraying multiple locations simultaneously08:40
Laneyseb128: it's a usb device which gets preferred, kind of like that hdmi bug though08:46
Laneybecause it's plugged into a usb hub on the monitor08:46
Laneyso it appears on the bus quite late on I guess08:47
seb128Laney, https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pulseaudio/pulseaudio/-/issues/886 ?08:49
seb128bug #187719408:49
ubot5bug 1877194 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "switch-on-connect mistakes startup for USB hotplug" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187719408:49
Laneyyeah probably08:50
LaneyI could try moving it out of the monitor to see if that makes a difference08:50
Laneybut then need to find a longer cable08:50
Laneyso not for now08:50
seb128I guess it's the same issue than the HDMi one at the end, pulseaudio is not smart enough to remember your device preferences08:55
seb128ideally it would have a ranking of priority and default to the one available according to the ranking08:56
Laneyit's doing switch-on-connect when it's not really on-connect, so yeah08:56
Laneylet me make a debug log and reboot08:57
Laneysystemctl --user --global --full edit pulseaudio!08:58
seb128I don't know if it's possible to tell whether the device is showing because it has been physically connected or just picked by the usb system08:58
Laneynot sure what you mean09:00
Laneyif this comes up as a hotplug-switch to the usb audio device, that will be the bug09:00
seb128I mean, does the kernel / udev gives us enough information to know why the add event has been generated?09:03
seb128like can we tell appart from the OS side whether it's just the usb subsystem picking up a device already connected or if there has been a physical connect ?09:03
Laneyudevadm settle?09:06
Laneyanyway, not sure there's much value in us debating the bug in here09:07
LaneyI will just reply on there09:07
seb128right, I was just thinking about it, sorry for the noise09:09
Laneyok, reproduced without the monitor's hub in the way, better :>09:23
Laneyenough fiddling with that for today09:23
jibelxnox, ubiquity 20.10.6 is blocked in proposed on a dependency issue. Something from d-i. Did you have a look? 10:21
jibelcurrent images are not installable with 20.10.510:21
xnoxjibel:  interesting.10:22
seb128https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/main-menu/+publishinghistory that has been deleted 'component of d-i which is not supported post-focal'10:23
seb128someone didn't do their job of checking rdepends before deleting components from the archive10:23
xnoxjibel:  uploading fix.10:25
xnoxseb128:  it's hard to check udeb reverse-deps, no?10:25
jibelxnox, thanks10:26
seb128xnox, I don't know how to do that, but the fact that it's not trivial doesn't mean it shouldn't be done ... anyway, problem fixed so thanks10:28
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Laneysomething weird with arch:all packages in the new proposed-migration :(16:08
* Laney is trying to fix16:08
seb128Laney, how is the new proposed migration going? aiming at landing it this week? any outcome of the entries that create problems to the by team report?16:18
Laneywhat entries?16:18
Laneyyes this week ideally16:18
Laneyah found the problem It hink16:27
Laneythanks evolution for notifying me about an event 1 minute before it ends :>16:30
seb128Laney, sorry, didn't see you reply, the bug ones that are leading to a #0, you said you were discussion in Debian to move them in a place where they don't confuse the current parser18:14
Laneyseb128: ah, I had that, it's not going to change right away so things need to handle the current format for now19:59
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