| callmepk | good morning | 01:43 |
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| pieq | Morning everyone! Hey callmepk ! | 01:44 |
| callmepk | hi pieq | 01:45 |
| duflu | Hi callmepk and pieq | 02:28 |
| callmepk | hi duflu | 02:28 |
| pieq | duflu, you're a star, I saw the Phoronix article about your 4k fix for Gnome, and your praise on Reddit, ahah | 02:47 |
| pieq | duflu, (and so now I know you have a 4k screen, too!) | 02:47 |
| pieq | duflu, what scaling do you use? I've been quite disappointed with all the tests I've done: even at 200% (i.e. integer scaling), applications like Telegram and such are blurry | 02:48 |
| pieq | duflu, the only thing I found was to stay at 100%, and pump the font scaling to 1.5 in GNOME Tweaks | 02:48 |
| pieq | (and icons, and cursor) | 02:49 |
| duflu | pieq, it's still pretty slow for me, but that's good because it provides a convenient test environment. I use 200% integer scaling, not fractional. But I also use very few apps so don't depend on anything that doesn't support it | 02:49 |
| pieq | duflu, xorg or wayland? | 02:52 |
| pieq | duflu, what IRC client do you use? I found out that hexchat did not support scaling at all (= blurry window and fonts) | 02:53 |
| duflu | pieq, both actually. My main focal desktop is Xorg and my groovy dev machine is usually with Wayland. They have identical hardware | 02:53 |
| duflu | pieq, actually HexChat supports 200% kind of, fine. Maybe it just doesn't support fractional | 02:54 |
| duflu | super sharp, not blurry | 02:54 |
| pieq | duflu, I wanted to use Polari, but then I'm facing this issue: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/polari/-/issues/118 | 02:54 |
| pieq | duflu, OK then it's weird, cause when I enable 200% on wayland, a lot of apps are blurry... I'm not sure what I've done wrong. | 02:55 |
| duflu | pieq, Wayland scaling is different to Xorg, and fractional scaling is different to integer, and there are TWO separate implementations of fractional scaling | 02:56 |
| duflu | pieq, HexChat is very sharp at 200% in Xorg with fractional scaling off | 02:57 |
| duflu | pieq, you can also do fine adjustments in Gnome Tweaks > Fonts | 02:57 |
| pieq | duflu, but "200%" scaling on Wayland is an integer scaling, right? So I should get sharp stuff for this... | 02:59 |
| pieq | duflu, I'm not near my home desktop right now, I'll keep investigating later | 02:59 |
| duflu | pieq, depends on the app, and Wayland will do it differently to Xorg | 03:00 |
| pieq | duflu, what size is your screen? Mine is 27" | 03:00 |
| duflu | Yep, 27" 3840x2160 | 03:00 |
| pieq | argh... that's too complicated (I mean the fact that different apps react differently, and the xorg/wayland thing) | 03:00 |
| duflu | Yeah there are too many combinations | 03:00 |
| duflu | It's a mess | 03:00 |
| pieq | I wish we could agree upon something to use, and use it. I hope the Xorg → Wayland transition doesn't take 12 years like the Python 2 → Python 3 transition! | 03:01 |
| duflu | pieq, actually everyone other than Ubuntu and Nvidia have transitioned | 03:11 |
| duflu | so people are trying | 03:11 |
| duflu | It's taking a few years for the major web browsers though | 03:14 |
| pieq | duflu, yeah, I like how there is a dedicated workflow for Firefox on Wayland when using Fedora. I wish we had something like that in place with Ubuntu | 03:17 |
| duflu | pieq, env MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 | 03:18 |
| duflu | or in your /etc/environment | 03:19 |
| pieq | duflu, yeah that's what I ended up doing | 03:20 |
| pieq | created different desktop launchers | 03:20 |
| pieq | and faced the super annoying issue with GNOME only showing the first 12 chars in the overview, so all my launchers are like "Firefo..." and I never know which one to run :D | 03:20 |
| luna_ | watching Wimpress and sil code the Rhino :P | 04:14 |
| luna_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4k8LqEUxlM | 04:14 |
| luna_ | missed it live yesterday but woke up early due to the lightning strikes here in Stockholm this morning | 04:17 |
| seb128 | goood morning desktopers | 05:59 |
| duflu | Hi seb128 | 06:00 |
| seb128 | hey duflu, how are you? had a good w.e? | 06:06 |
| duflu | seb128, it went fast but at least I got a few things done. Been raining lots here. You? | 06:09 |
| duflu | Good to see the post-focal bug expiries are now starting | 06:11 |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 06:21 |
| seb128 | hey oSoMoN, wb, did you have a good week of vac? | 06:28 |
| seb128 | duflu, w.e was nice, a bit windy and rainy but we still managed to walk around a bit | 06:29 |
| oSoMoN | salut seb128, yeah, quite relaxing, thanks! | 06:29 |
| duflu | Morning oSoMoN | 06:30 |
| oSoMoN | hey duflu | 06:39 |
| marcustomlinson | morning desktoppers | 06:50 |
| oSoMoN | good morning marcustomlinson | 06:53 |
| marcustomlinson | hey oSoMoN how was your week off? | 06:58 |
| oSoMoN | pretty good, I spent all the time with friends and family, and slept a lot more than usual | 07:00 |
| marcustomlinson | sounds excellent | 07:09 |
| duflu | Hi marcustomlinson | 07:34 |
| marcustomlinson | hey duflu | 07:35 |
| seb128 | hey marcustomlinson, wb, did you have a good of vac? | 07:49 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, sleep sounds nice! I see that you had the laptop with you at the end :p | 07:49 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: was very nice thanks! lockdown eased enough for us to visit my parents a couple times. hit the beach too. nice and relaxing. | 07:51 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, I did, and I don't regret it, I poked at the nodejs/firefox update throughout the week and now I'm less stressed about it | 07:54 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, as long as you managed to get pulled too much into work mode and properly relaxed still I guess that's fine :) | 07:59 |
| ricotz | hey desktopers! | 08:00 |
| Laney | guten morgen | 08:00 |
| duflu | Hi ricotz and Laney | 08:04 |
| Laney | howdy duflu | 08:08 |
| seb128 | hey ricotz, Laney, how are you? had a good w.e? | 08:14 |
| Laney | moin seb128 | 08:19 |
| Laney | yeah was alright, not super nice weather but not as bad as the forecast had predicted | 08:20 |
| Laney | did some playing with networking, trying to get things in a better order before i get a new connection on friday | 08:20 |
| Laney | hope you did too! | 08:20 |
| Laney | why no sound? oh, I restarted, and therefore Pulseaudio forgot which output I had selected before | 08:32 |
| Laney | :| :| :| :| :| | 08:32 |
| seb128 | w.e was alright, weather was not great but nice enough that we could go to the playground and have some fun there yesterday | 08:35 |
| jibel | welcome to the club of PA lovers | 08:35 |
| seb128 | @sound bugs :-( | 08:35 |
| seb128 | would probably be useful to report those issues upstream | 08:36 |
| seb128 | we currently fail at deal with audio issue, it would increase chances to have someone looking at the problem | 08:36 |
| seb128 | Laney, is than hdmi that you use? | 08:37 |
| jibel | yeah but the stack is complex and between the kernel, alsa, pa and the shell it's hard to determine where the problem is | 08:37 |
| seb128 | well, you can always take a guess, if you are wrong they will just close the bug telling you to go to $otherplace | 08:38 |
| seb128 | they might help you to figure out what the right component is :) | 08:38 |
| duflu | "shotgunning" as my former Texan manager would say | 08:39 |
| duflu | Which I think refers to spraying multiple locations simultaneously | 08:40 |
| Laney | seb128: it's a usb device which gets preferred, kind of like that hdmi bug though | 08:46 |
| Laney | because it's plugged into a usb hub on the monitor | 08:46 |
| Laney | so it appears on the bus quite late on I guess | 08:47 |
| seb128 | Laney, https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pulseaudio/pulseaudio/-/issues/886 ? | 08:49 |
| seb128 | bug #1877194 | 08:49 |
| ubot5 | bug 1877194 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "switch-on-connect mistakes startup for USB hotplug" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1877194 | 08:49 |
| Laney | yeah probably | 08:50 |
| Laney | I could try moving it out of the monitor to see if that makes a difference | 08:50 |
| Laney | but then need to find a longer cable | 08:50 |
| Laney | so not for now | 08:50 |
| seb128 | I guess it's the same issue than the HDMi one at the end, pulseaudio is not smart enough to remember your device preferences | 08:55 |
| seb128 | ideally it would have a ranking of priority and default to the one available according to the ranking | 08:56 |
| Laney | it's doing switch-on-connect when it's not really on-connect, so yeah | 08:56 |
| Laney | let me make a debug log and reboot | 08:57 |
| Laney | systemctl --user --global --full edit pulseaudio! | 08:58 |
| seb128 | I don't know if it's possible to tell whether the device is showing because it has been physically connected or just picked by the usb system | 08:58 |
| Laney | not sure what you mean | 09:00 |
| Laney | if this comes up as a hotplug-switch to the usb audio device, that will be the bug | 09:00 |
| seb128 | I mean, does the kernel / udev gives us enough information to know why the add event has been generated? | 09:03 |
| seb128 | like can we tell appart from the OS side whether it's just the usb subsystem picking up a device already connected or if there has been a physical connect ? | 09:03 |
| Laney | udevadm settle? | 09:06 |
| Laney | anyway, not sure there's much value in us debating the bug in here | 09:07 |
| Laney | I will just reply on there | 09:07 |
| seb128 | right, I was just thinking about it, sorry for the noise | 09:09 |
| seb128 | thx | 09:09 |
| Laney | ok, reproduced without the monitor's hub in the way, better :> | 09:23 |
| Laney | enough fiddling with that for today | 09:23 |
| jibel | xnox, ubiquity 20.10.6 is blocked in proposed on a dependency issue. Something from d-i. Did you have a look? | 10:21 |
| jibel | current images are not installable with 20.10.5 | 10:21 |
| jibel | https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#ubiquity | 10:21 |
| xnox | jibel: interesting. | 10:22 |
| seb128 | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/main-menu/+publishinghistory that has been deleted 'component of d-i which is not supported post-focal' | 10:23 |
| seb128 | someone didn't do their job of checking rdepends before deleting components from the archive | 10:23 |
| xnox | jibel: uploading fix. | 10:25 |
| xnox | seb128: it's hard to check udeb reverse-deps, no? | 10:25 |
| jibel | xnox, thanks | 10:26 |
| seb128 | xnox, I don't know how to do that, but the fact that it's not trivial doesn't mean it shouldn't be done ... anyway, problem fixed so thanks | 10:28 |
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| Laney | something weird with arch:all packages in the new proposed-migration :( | 16:08 |
| * Laney is trying to fix | 16:08 | |
| seb128 | Laney, how is the new proposed migration going? aiming at landing it this week? any outcome of the entries that create problems to the by team report? | 16:18 |
| Laney | what entries? | 16:18 |
| Laney | yes this week ideally | 16:18 |
| Laney | ah found the problem It hink | 16:27 |
| Laney | thanks evolution for notifying me about an event 1 minute before it ends :> | 16:30 |
| seb128 | Laney, sorry, didn't see you reply, the bug ones that are leading to a #0, you said you were discussion in Debian to move them in a place where they don't confuse the current parser | 18:14 |
| Laney | seb128: ah, I had that, it's not going to change right away so things need to handle the current format for now | 19:59 |
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