[00:16] <ubptgbot> <Amer A> @sergiusens  @floop2  Sure thing, I'll wrap this into something neater on the forum  👍🏼 … I haven't participated in forums before so still learning the rules - UT is a good reason to participate :) … This Telegram group is for troubleshooting?
 Dekko2 works great for me. Better than many android clients
[01:37] <ubptgbot> <Jesus Price> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/5r0AeFdh.png v
[01:54] <ubptgbot> taenaezhezhefime9469 was added by: taenaezhezhefime9469
 @sergiusens [Maybe post thus on the forum and if necessary link to it here?], Indeed, seems like a mailing list/forum type post, more than a chat group post.
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[06:48] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> I got an update notification but it froze so I paused it and it disappeared ?
[06:48] <ubptgbot> <Dylan Gundberg> This is on the pinephone btw. New issue i haven't seen discussed
 @Amer A [Greetings!  … Hopefully I'm posting this in a suitable space? Please let me know i …], Ignore the warning on Dekko. It is no more experimental than any other app
[07:58] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @dohbee [use libertine], Rodney, I installed nmap using Libertine but when I try to fiddle with it within terminal `nmap --help` I get `nmap command not found` how do you run it ?
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 @Stereofont [Ignore the warning on Dekko. It is no more experimental than any other app], who's handling it in openstore? i think the description has to be updated and should also be just `Dekko`.
 @Javacookies [who's handling it in openstore? i think the description has to be updated and sh …], There may be complications. It is maintained in practice but the original maintainer is still formally unchanged I think?
[10:13] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> [In reply to Rodney] … Rodney, I installed nmap using Libertine but when I try to fiddle with it within terminal `nmap --help` I get `nmap command not found` how do you run it ? … I found answer in the docs. I gotta run it like I would run a Docker container: `libertine-container-manager exec -i CONTAINER-IDENTIFIER -c "nmap --help"`
[11:10] <ubptgbot> <Federica Galli> I think this has been said already: I find that in UT there are too many steps to start a call to someone. Access to "Favorites" is too complicated and once a contact number has been selected the call should start immediately.
 @Federica Galli [I think this has been said already: I find that in UT there are too many steps t …], Are you aware of the bottom edge list of 'last dialed' numbers? And press/hold the green button brings up the veey last number.
 Favourites can be accessed now (devel) from a dedicated ivon on the top.
 [Edit] Favourites can be accessed now (devel) from a dedicated icon on the top.
 the improvements are good so far but I still think the UI needs a redesign to make it easier to use.
 @Javacookies [the improvements are good so far but I still think the UI needs a redesign to ma …], I think more than UI. Some deeper changes to implement that I think?
 like what?
 I am always torn apart if instant call would be a bug or a feature. If you hit a button accidentaly it is great that there is a congirmsatiin needed.
 [Edit] I am always torn apart if instant call would be a bug or a feature. If you hit a button accidentaly it is great that there is a confirmation needed.
 it seems that in all other OS though, one tap is used to start the call
 I guess it's a preference and what people is used to
 @Javacookies [like what?], Haha. For you developers to decide 😂
 I've been wanting to experiment with some of the core apps but just haven't found the time and energy
 @Javacookies [I guess it's a preference and what people is used to], The best would be an option implemented in system settings.
 but there will be too much option if we make everything optional 😅
 An other option for system settings with full options or not 😂.
 Huh, did the forum move?
[12:17] <ubptgbot> itz_nittish was added by: itz_nittish
 @ParadoxSpiral [Huh, did the forum move?], Undergoing major maintenance
[13:55] <DM_v5> morning all! had a quick question, one an SDCARD hits me in the mail, going to try the pi ubuntu-touch-raspberrypi.img.xz  This includes some premade software for calling/SMS?  I just got my 4G hat to work under base Rasbian install, but there's a lack of software for true calling.  Sad I missed out on the PinePhone.
 @DM_v5 [morning all! had a quick question, one an SDCARD hits me in the mail, going to t …], it has the phone app and ofono and such, but it may not actually work on the pi yet
[13:59] <DM_v5> I'm willing to give it a shot and see how it works with the Waveshare 4G hat.  Still deem myself a newbie regarding *nix. Will report to the git any issues. Maybe even attempt to update the Readme.md which is blank if I get it working at all.
 your pi is a 3b and not a 4/4b right?
[14:07] <DM_v5> dohbee: correct, I've got a 3b+
 ok. there's a graphics driver issue on pi 4
[14:12] <DM_v5> wow, some amount of luck is on my side, I'll take it.  Guess I'll go look into how the phone/sms is talking to the hat, see if I need to change any jumpers before hand.
 There is a pi group on Telegram but not bridged to irc
[15:44] <ubptgbot> Sumit Dhiman was added by: Sumit Dhiman
[15:44] <ubptgbot> <Sumit Dhiman> can i run ubuntu touch on 512MB RAM
 @Sumit Dhiman [can i run ubuntu touch on 512MB RAM], Maybe, but I really wouldn't count on it
 My phone is Lenovo Vibe k5 plus . … Can I run ubuntu port in this model.!? … If yes , how.!? Is it similar like doing custom rom .!?
 It'd be slow as a hell if you could even so much as get it to boot
 I think you can but it might not have good performance. Zram or swap would be necessary to have a decent experience
[15:51] <ubptgbot> <Sumit Dhiman> is 1GB sufficient?
 [Edit] My phone is Lenovo Vibe k5 plus . … Can I run ubuntu touch in this model.!? … If yes , how.!? Is it similar like doing custom rom .!?
 there are devices with 1GB
 they do work pretty decent and have zram enabled to help with the performance. I think the main problem is that Lomiri(Unity8) is a bit memory heavy at the moment
[15:53] <ubptgbot> <Sumit Dhiman> @Javacookies  can i change the DE? then it will work good for me
 not easily and at that point. You rather just use other distro as base. Lomiri is tightly integrated to UT. And it's a big part of its identity
 @Sumit Dhiman [can i run ubuntu touch on 512MB RAM], 1 GB manages just about. To run without glitches, probably 1.2 or thereabouts. 512MB no…
[15:55] <ubptgbot> <Sumit Dhiman> @Javacookies [not easily and at that point. You rather just use other distro as base. Lomiri i …], ohh
[15:55] <ubptgbot> <Sumit Dhiman> @Stereofont [1 GB manages just about. To run without glitches, probably 1.2 or thereabouts. 5 …], what are the processor requirments for UTthe?
 A project for UT lite is a theoretical option but for what reason and who would do it?
[15:57] <ubptgbot> <Sumit Dhiman> @Stereofont [A project for UT lite is a theoretical option but for what reason and who would …], can i use whatsapp and other daily use android apps in UT without anbox?
 @Sumit Dhiman [what are the processor requirments for UTthe?], It runs on some old Mediatek devices. But how to compare with Qualcomm?
 @Sumit Dhiman [can i use whatsapp and other daily use android apps in UT without anbox?], No. Only in Anbox and only with significant limitations. It is experimental not practical
 A spare phone running Android is currently the only practical option for car parking payment, banking, building access etc
[16:02] <ubptgbot> <Sumit Dhiman> can i install android-adb and eemulater in it? as i did in my linux
 Libertine is a container not an emulator but it will allow you to run some deb packages. Again, it needs a lot of work
 Similarly, there will be full compatibility with non-UT Qt based apps eventually
[16:06] <ubptgbot> <Sumit Dhiman> hey. i there any facebook messenger client for debian 10
 And to anticipate another point - we don't support dual booting
 Webber is a UT app which allows users to make their own webapps very simply. But that that will not extend to messaging
 Matrix is working on compatibility plugins for many different messenger services. Perhaps including Facebook messenger. I don't know if they have a beta scheme
 [Edit] Webber is a UT app which allows users to make their own webapps very simply. But that will not extend to messaging
 @Sumit Dhiman [hey. i there any facebook messenger client for debian 10], I've definitely seen Messenger clients in Flatpak but if you're talking about UT then there are Facebook clients and if not idk
[16:12] <ubptgbot> <Sumit Dhiman> @TigranKhachatryan [I've definitely seen Messenger clients in Flatpak but if you're talking about UT …], it is not a official messenger client from FB.
 Flatpak has been discussed as an option for UT but if I remember right, the conclusion was that Pinephone maybe could stretch to that but not the former Android devices
 He mentioned Debian
 I got confused
 @Sumit Dhiman [it is not a official messenger client from FB.], Personally, I cannot imagine FB ever considering an official client for UT. True privacy would wreck their business model
[16:16] <ubptgbot> <Sumit Dhiman> @TigranKhachatryan [He mentioned Debian], why did you got confused? Hmm
 I mentioned Debian because you are looking for functionality outside UT. That is not just Android
 Same with Qt
 @Sumit Dhiman [why did you got confused? Hmm], Well, I never thought someone would ask for a software recommendation for a computer operating system in a mobile operating system discussion chat
[16:18] <ubptgbot> <Sumit Dhiman> @TigranKhachatryan [Well, I never thought someone would ask for a software recommendation for a comp …], then what? both are linux
 Debian packaging. Not Debian OS 😁
 @Stereofont [Debian packaging. Not Debian OS 😁], Ohh okay
 @Sumit Dhiman [then what? both are linux], So is android
 Anbox is not going well on desktop. A big team would be needed, covering both desktop and mobile. The question is where does such a team come from?
 @Stereofont [Anbox is not going well on desktop. A big team would be needed, covering both de …], Good conception is enough, I thought I saw a graphical adb client somewhere
 The feature I dreamt about was dragging an apk to the launcher would install it, but it is better than nothing
 @Sumit Dhiman [it is not a official messenger client from FB.], If you really want an official client, consider installing Anbox and MicroG on top of it
 The alternative is to say no to Facebook, WhatsApp, Spotify etc. A life change, rather than a technology fix for the phone
 The hard part is to make your friends to say no to those services too which is often hard or impossible
 (Woops mentioned hard two times lol)
 Agreed. Unless you get new friends 😀
 Axolotl is a Signal client for UT. I have the most success getting friends a family to adopt Signal
 [Edit] Axolotl is a Signal client for UT. I have had the most success getting friends and family to adopt Signal
 Yeah, heard of that
 What we do not have is integration of text messenger and Signal, as on other platforms. That would be tricky with our sandboxing though
 For calling I just say what is SIP, ask them to just add an SIP account to their phone, answer them if they ask why
 And use Linphone
 Gtg
 @Kulapurushan [My phone is Lenovo Vibe k5 plus . … Can I run ubuntu touch in this model.!? … If yes …], https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 @Amer A [Greetings!  … Hopefully I'm posting this in a suitable space? Please let me know i …], Dekko2 works well as long as you take time to make sure settings are correct for the account. uAdblock in OpenStore does excellent job of blocking ads.  Webber app in OpenStore can create webapp that will work better for Google Calendar. I u
[17:56] <ubptgbot> se instead of Google the core Calendar app synced with a Nextcloud account hosted by owncube.com - works great.
[17:57] <ubptgbot> RichardApps was added by: RichardApps
 @Sumit Dhiman [hey. i there any facebook messenger client for debian 10], In UT the Sailbook webapp allows you to use Facebook Messenger very well
 @TotalSonic [In UT the Sailbook webapp allows you to use Facebook Messenger very well], the person already left the group
 @dohbee [the person already left the group], Okey dokey
 @Stereofont [The alternative is to say no to Facebook, WhatsApp, Spotify etc. A life change, …], The Futify beta is working well for Spotify premium accounts. Both Sailbook and Pesbuk work very well for Facebook.
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 @Stereofont [Agreed. Unless you get new friends 😀], Easier said than done tbh
 Is it worth buying an old cell phone to test ubuntu touch? If so, which would be the cheapest but with good performance to run ubuntu touch smooth?
 @RichardApps [Is it worth buying an old cell phone to test ubuntu touch? If so, which would be …], Nexus 5 for 50 EUR up to 90 is ok I would say
 If you can find one
 There was recently a port released for my phone so I'm curious.
 Can I run gtk desktop apps?
 I've done the whole sailfishos chroot ubu xfce route, and thats ok.
 but real ubuntu would be better.
 @Flohack [Nexus 5 for 50 EUR up to 90 is ok I would say], Thank you
 @enigma9o7 [Can I run gtk desktop apps?], you can run legacy things in libertine; but don't expect them to be useful or usable on a phone
 @alf22222 [Dekko2 works great for me. Better than many android clients], Works great on FP2, but still unusable on PP for now.
 It is a beautiful mail client for sure
 I agree and i can't wait for it to be available (and working) on PP.
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 @dohbee [you can run legacy things in libertine; but don't expect them to be useful or us …], The only info I could find related to libertine was about fonts, is that what you're referring too?  And why not modern things, and why not usable?
 The problem with xfce in ubu chroot under sfos, at least in my opinion, is its slower cuz of that extra layer of complication, graphics arent accelerated etc
 but I dont understand how it works
 but I assume if phone itself running ubuntu without having to chroot to get it, then those same apps should work natively, right?
 (stuff like libreoffice, firefox, retroarch,e tc)
 Desktop apps don't fit the phone screen
 And you don't run the apps directly, they run inside a container.
 @enigma9o7 [but I assume if phone itself running ubuntu without having to chroot to get it, …], it is not running ubuntu. it is running ubuntu touch
 apps that aren't made for phones don't work well on phones
 ubuntu touch is not a traditional linux distro; it is built specifically around the requirements of running on mobile devices
 Understand that.
 But the container thing sounds similar to what can be done in sfos, although i thought they used a container for a whole distro.  I only used the chroot method, but best way to get good browser...
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 Does the container approach have full hardware accelerated video etc?
 the video acceleration is unrelated to being in a container
 but no, Xmir does not have video accleration on android based devices
 it does have accelerated video on amd64 hardware using mesa though
 (there was a demo of playing some steam game on an x86 system years ago)
 the video acceleration issue on android may be solved in the future after migration to wayland client everywhere, and switching to Xwayland instead, but it's still early
 how bout appimages, snaps, flatpaks, any of those work?
 hi everyone, when installing gst-droid as describe here https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3257/how-to-test-gstreamer-droid-based-camera-support-in-ubuntu-touch-for-halium-7-1-based-port apt froze and now I am in a weird state saying it is necessary to run `sudo dpkg --configure -a`
 but the filesystem still is read only
 should I do I, or can I fix that with ubports-qa somehow?
 @enigma9o7 [how bout appimages, snaps, flatpaks, any of those work?], no, not yet really. appimages or flatpaks /may/ be usable inside libertine container
 you can first go into root dir, then do `sudo mount -o remount,rw /` then try again
 but really the thing is that legacy apps will not work well on phones regardless of how you install them
 @SomeIrrelevantPerson0000 [you can first go into root dir, then do sudo mount -o remount,rw / then try agai …], so make the filesystem writable, and then try again what? install gst, or run dpkg —configure -a ?
[21:58] <ubptgbot> Vern_Kuato was added by: Vern_Kuato
 I run dpkg configure, and it is stuck at the very same place than before: `Paramétrage de bluez (5.42+ubports5) ... … bluetooth stop/waiting`
 why is installing gst also installing new version of all those packages? I thought ubports-qa was done to avoid upgrading several packages at the same time
 @flaburgan [so make the filesystem writable, and then try again what? install gst, or run dp …], Yeah
 if you kill the PID with bluez attached to it you can proceed forwards
 @flaburgan [why is installing gst also installing new version of all those packages? I thoug …], it's because `ubports-qa` does an upgrade, rather than only installing specific packages
 also please keep the discussion in one place i guess :)
 @dohbee [it's because ubports-qa does an upgrade, rather than only installing specific pa …], Yeah sorry, I thought after posting that the Q&A group was more appropriate, there are a lot of people here. Switching there.