[00:00] <cluelessperson> semitones, If something's out of place, it's usually because you installed something custom, but the package maintainers are usually pretty good about being clean.
[00:00] <semitones> I have a few different desktop environments installed from failed experiments, and my partition is full, so I think fresh install is the quickest way to get it back in hand
[00:00] <cluelessperson> semitones, So, all you have to do is update /etc/apt/sources  to point to the new ubuntu release name, and perform,  apt update
[00:00] <cluelessperson> semitones, ouch, yeah, Agreed.
[00:01] <cluelessperson> semitones, I usually just dump my machine image into network storage, reinstall, then grab the things I care about and delet
[00:02] <Bashing-om> !upgrade | semitones
[00:03] <Bashing-om> semitones: new .iso: http://ubuntustudio.org/download/ .
[00:04] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, so before, my ubuntu installation was barely touching swap,  now it's using half of my swap.
[00:05] <cluelessperson> it's far more effective
[00:05] <katronix> Hi all, I'm running Ubuntu 20.04, how do I update the Thunderbird it came with? I've done a new install of it locally but anytime I drag Thunderbird to the launch panel it runs the system one instead of the one I dragged to it.
[00:07] <Bashing-om> !info thunderbird focal | katronix
[00:08] <CarlFK> how do I tell what DNS my cable modem gave me, because this is surprising:   host billpay.schwab.com => Host billpay.schwab.com not found: 2(SERVFAIL)
[00:12] <de-facto> How is the quality for support of extFAT in Ubuntu 18.04?
[01:01] <rfm> CarlFK, try "resolvectl status" if you have a reasonably stock Ubuntu DNS setup...
[01:11] <ikarus987> Hi plz how can i un-do this :\ https://docs.gns3.com/1c2Iyiczy6efnv-TS_4Hc7p11gn03-ytz9ukgwFfckDk/index.html
[01:11] <ikarus987> i wanna remove everything related to that from my server
[01:13] <cluelessperson> ikarus987, do you have the script?
[01:16] <sarnold> that url gives a 404
[01:16] <sarnold> err, the script url in that documentation gives a 404
[01:16] <sarnold> there's of course no guarantee that even if it loaded, it would accurate describe what it did to your system
[01:17] <sarnold> I suggest a reinstall
[01:19] <cluelessperson> ikarus987, check out d  dpkg -l | more
[01:19] <cluelessperson> see what's installed and if anything looks abnormal
[01:19] <cluelessperson> if  the script was completely malicious, reinstall
[01:41] <TwistedBlizzard> Hi all, I'm trying to create a systemd service from an executable in a python virtualenv. Normally it requires you to activate the virtual environment with the source command. I saw on stack exchange that this will not work with systemd and that I should instead run the executable directly. Unfortunately, when I do this, it cannot find the other
[01:41] <TwistedBlizzard> binary files it expects to be in the same directory. I've tried specifying the working directory in the .service file but it doesn't seem to work.
[01:43] <sarnold> are you executing those programs with ./foo in your program?
[01:45] <TwistedBlizzard> I don't know, I'm trying to set up Evennia. I'd assume it's the case due to the behaviour but I can check.
[01:45] <sarnold> the current working directory is usually not in the PATH because doing so is a security risk
[01:46] <sarnold> if your program is executing the other binaries with ./foo then it'll need the current working directory to be set correctly; if it is executing the programs via foo, then you'll probably need to add the path containing the executables to the PATH
[01:47] <xaneo> Does anyone know how to /IGNORE in irssi? It doesn't seem to work for me.
[01:47] <TwistedBlizzard> Ah right, that makes sense - cheers!
[01:48] <TwistedBlizzard> Whilst looking for the definitive answer to your question, I stumbled upon an undocumented .service template for Evennia on their GitHub repo so happy days!
[01:49] <sarnold> TwistedBlizzard: yay!
[01:52] <xaneo> JOINS PARTS QUITS
[01:52] <sarnold> xaneo: try /ignore * JOINS PARTS QUITS   ?
[01:53] <xaneo> sarnold: Yes, I did that and nothing happened
[01:53] <xaneo> I'll do it again
[01:53] <TwistedBlizzard> Hmm, even running the supplied template, it still cannot find twistd.
[01:55] <xaneo> I have to wait for someone to quit now :)
[01:55] <sarnold> xaneo: did you see sbetrium join a moment ago? :)
[01:55] <sarnold> TwistedBlizzard: dang, then it'll require a bit more work :/
[01:55] <xaneo> sarnold: no, so I guess it worked this time around. That's just weird
[01:56] <xaneo> sarnold: I didn't include NO_ACT this time around
[01:56] <xaneo> Seems to work
[01:56] <xaneo> Thank you for the good help
[01:57] <sarnold> xaneo: don't forget the /save command -- at least I tihnk that'll save ignores, too :)
[01:57] <xaneo> sarnold: Yes sir, I did that
[01:58] <sarnold> xaneo: I've also found the hide.pl script useful for knocking back which channels show up as 'active' in the active bar
[01:59] <sarnold> xaneo: fwiw I prefer to have all joins, parts, quits, enabled all the time, so I can more easily spot abuse and deal with it -- and use the crapbuster.pl script to remove the noise when it gets in the way.
[02:01] <xaneo> sarnold: you're probably an admin so it suits you more, I just have no use for this information
[02:02] <TwistedBlizzard> sarnold: Can I use WorkingDirectory=/path/to/venv/bin to allow the evennia binary to find the other executables?
[02:02] <sarnold> TwistedBlizzard: only if the program is using ./ while executing things. (It probably isn't.)
[02:03] <TwistedBlizzard> It looks like it's using Popen(executable_name) in python
[02:03] <xaneo> sarnold: perhaps you know of a script that allows for mouse scrolling the chat history?
[02:04] <TwistedBlizzard> The traceback references subprocess: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nttmJ6cthG/
[02:05] <sarnold> TwistedBlizzard: maybe try find /home/josh/servers/FractureMUD/ -name twistd   -- see if that spits out anything?
[02:06] <sarnold> xaneo: hmm, I can't spot anything on https://scripts.irssi.org/ -- I'm a bit surprised :(
[02:06] <TwistedBlizzard> sarnold: It's in /home/josh/servers/FractureMUD/env/bin/ - the same as the evennia binary.
[02:07] <xaneo> sarnold: Thank you, though.
[02:11] <sarnold> TwistedBlizzard: try adding Environment=PATH=/home/josh/servers/FractureMUD/env/bin/:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
[02:11] <sarnold> TwistedBlizzard: (I got the default path from systemd.exec(5))
[02:12] <TwistedBlizzard> That would go below the ExecStart= line, right?
[02:13] <sarnold> it probably doesn't matter if it is above or below the ExecStart line, but it will matter what section it goes in
[02:13] <sarnold> immediately next to ExecStart is probably good enough
[02:14] <TwistedBlizzard> That got me up and running, thank you so much!
[02:14] <sarnold> TwistedBlizzard: it's started? :)
[02:14] <TwistedBlizzard> Yup! :D
[02:14] <sarnold> TwistedBlizzard: so.. one last thing before you run, there's a chance you may need to fiddle with PYTHONPATH or something similar
[02:15] <sarnold> but I don't know venv things at all. maybe that's all taken care of already
[02:15] <sarnold> TwistedBlizzard: so if you run into something busted when you try eg loading a new map or something, think of this moment, PYTHONPATH :)
[02:15] <TwistedBlizzard> The evennia file has taken care of that :)
[02:15] <sarnold> yay
[02:16] <TwistedBlizzard> I have fewer worries about leaving this box unattended for the next 2 months now hooray!
[02:22] <RingtailedFox> heya guys.. is there a way to manually display ubuntu's message of the day, after i already saw it earlier today?
[02:23] <TwistedBlizzard> RingtailedFox: sudo run-parts /etc/update-motd.d/
[02:23] <RingtailedFox> thanks!
[02:24] <TwistedBlizzard> That'll get you the latest motd - not sure if there's a way to get the last one though
[02:24] <RingtailedFox> oh, latest is what i wanted
[02:24] <RingtailedFox> i added a local weather forecast to it and i just wanted to see if it worked, and it does :D
[02:24] <TwistedBlizzard> Great! :)
[02:25] <RingtailedFox> https://www.howtogeek.com/104708/how-to-customize-ubuntus-message-of-the-day/ followed this one... thoguh it does whine about --id (or in my case, -i) being removed soon
[02:25] <RingtailedFox> " WARNING: the --id option is deprecated and will eventually be removed "
[02:26] <sarnold> RingtailedFox: if -i ever goes away you could look at https://github.com/chubin/wttr.in or similar :)
[02:27] <RingtailedFox> i will
[02:27] <RingtailedFox> i do love the idea of having current conditions in the MOTD
[02:30] <ddelony> !wsl
[02:30] <RingtailedFox> that's what i'm using, ubottu :)
[02:34] <RingtailedFox> oh!  no need for --id... just "weather CYQG" or "weather KDTW" :D
[02:42] <Jordan_U>  /join #ubuntu-on-windows
[03:19] <viktor_> i installed mariaDB, but "sudo systemctl status mariadb keep giving "active: activating (start)" instead of "active running". Anyone know why this is?
[03:26] <viktor_> \join #mariadb
[03:26] <viktor_> sorry
[03:31] <xbfrog> thats why i always make changes in the server window, if i make a mistake no one sees it :)
[03:59] <SrPx> @Bashing-om is there no option to buy the developer edition of the xps 13 with 32gb of ram?
[04:01] <Bashing-om> SrPx: No idea as to xps 13 specs . maybe see what uncle Google can find ?
[04:01] <SrPx> it can't and the dell site is the worst thing ever made
[04:01] <SrPx> just asked in case there is some obscure link i was missing you're aware of, ok?
[04:01] <SrPx> thanks
[04:03] <leftyfb> SrPx: call Dell
[04:03] <SrPx> i will
[04:03] <SrPx> or not
[04:04] <leftyfb> though it does say "Up to 16GB of memory"
[04:05] <leftyfb> https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebooks/new-xps-13-developer-edition/spd/xps-13-9300-laptop/ctox13w10p1c2200u?view=configurations&configurationid=7dd0ef2f-49ff-453f-bc06-b9fed99b95a8
[04:07] <SrPx> yea. weird that the non developer edition goes up to 32gb
[04:07] <SrPx> even more weird, the developer edition goes up to 2tb, but not the non developer edition
[04:08] <SrPx> even though all that changes is the OS that comes installed
[04:08]  * SrPx shrugs
[04:08] <SrPx> their lineups are a complete mess
[04:09] <leftyfb> SrPx: https://imgur.com/a/7BJ26fj
[04:27] <bobdobbs> Hi all. I'm trying to update the version of kdenlive on my ubuntu 18.04. I've installed the ppa using the command on this page: https://launchpad.net/~kdenlive/+archive/ubuntu/kdenlive-stable
[04:28] <bobdobbs> However, when I try to run 'apt-get install kdenlive', I'm told I already have the latest version. But this isn't true.
[04:28] <bobdobbs> I'm running 17.something on my system. And the latest version is 20.something.
[04:28] <tatertots> bobdobbs: did you update
[04:28] <bobdobbs> yes
[04:28] <bobdobbs> To be clear: after I installed the ppa, I did 'apt-get update'
[04:29] <bobdobbs> And the update operation ran as expected and returned without error
[04:32] <bobdobbs> I've also tried removing kdenlive with --purge and reinstalling it
[04:37] <tatertots> adding the 3rd party ppa didn't provide any newer version, may as well remove it
[06:06] <davido_> What is the best way to profile what is happening when I bring the screen up from lock or power saving mode?  (It's taking a long time, lately)
[06:33] <ducasse> bobdobbs: doesn't look like that ppa carries packages for 18.04
[06:46] <tomreyn> maybe one of those have "bionic" on the drop-down field: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=kdenlive
[06:46] <BadGuyAlex> Hello
[06:47] <BadGuyAlex> apt-get install. Is there a way to specify proxy server or config file within a command parameter or environment variable? I do not want to modify existing files.
[06:52] <tomreyn> BadGuyAlex: see the Apt::Acquire group in apt.conf(5) and the specific man pages referred to there. these options can be passed to apt via the -o command line argument
[06:55] <BadGuyAlex> Thanks tomreyn. I'm going to check that out. Now I have to wait until apt-gi
[06:56] <tomreyn> apt-gi?
[06:56] <BadGuyAlex> apt-get figures out there's no connection
[06:56] <BadGuyAlex> Damn Andie
[06:56] <BadGuyAlex> Android keyboard
[06:57] <tomreyn> try shouting "there's no internet" at it, i believe sometimes it works.
[06:57] <tomreyn> or hit ctrl-c
[07:06] <tomreyn> BadGuyAlex: https://computingforgeeks.com/how-to-set-system-wide-proxy-on-ubuntu-debian/ also lists the available options. i think that apt also uses the environment variables (unless overruled by its configuration or command line arguments).
[07:06] <tomreyn> if you want to set the environment options globally, don't do it via /etc/profile.d/proxy.sh though, set them in /etc/environment instead
[07:08] <tomreyn> systemd also loads per user environment variables from ~/.config/environment.d/*.conf
[07:42] <leafhouse> hey
[07:44] <leafhouse> wow, what a ghost town
[07:44] <oerheks> hi leafhouse do you have a support Q?
[07:45] <leafhouse> no not really just checking out irc trying to find active convo channels
[07:45] <leafhouse> is this support only?
[07:46] <oerheks> yes, see topic
[07:46] <oerheks> !offtopic
[07:46] <nsaunders> I can't always get a virtual terminal -- why?
[07:46] <leafhouse> ok cool, thanks!
[07:47] <klu3> anybody here ever used cloudflare's dns 1.1.1.1 ?
[07:48] <nsaunders> how do I get a virtual console.  just text?  alt=f1?
[07:49] <oerheks> nsaunders, try ctrl-alt-f3
[07:50] <nsaunders> oerheks: no go.  it's ubuntu 20.04   --- always used to work in the past
[07:50] <nsaunders> ctrl-alt-f1 logs me out..f3 no result
[07:50] <nsaunders> (not log out, but to the login screen)
[07:50] <oerheks> it should not log out but give login on tty
[07:51] <oerheks> ctrl alt f1 to reverse
[07:51] <nsaunders> it gives login to gui -- not terminal
[07:51] <nsaunders> f3 does nothing..which is quite odd
[07:52] <nsaunders> now I'm just confused, because ctrl-alt-f4 did what I wanted.   what happened to the others??
[07:55] <nsaunders> https://askubuntu.com/q/1255303/847449           if anyone is so inclined.
[07:55] <nsaunders> oerheks: thanks
[09:27] <CriticalDrinker> hey, could upgrading windows subsystem linux , frm ubunu 18.04 to 20.4 bring a performance boost?
[09:27] <CriticalDrinker> cause its slow as hell
[09:34] <oerheks> CriticalDrinker, wsl or wsl2?
[09:34] <CriticalDrinker> I thnk wsl1
[09:34] <oerheks> no idea, there is a dedicated channel for that
[09:34] <oerheks> !wsl
[09:34] <CriticalDrinker> if I upgrade to wsl2 will I lose all files?
[09:35] <oerheks> if you have no backup of your data, it is not important
[09:35] <CriticalDrinker> oh x
[09:35] <CriticalDrinker> thx
[09:39] <CriticalDrinker> first I have to find out how to backup it,  I guess like this exporting it as a file https://winaero.com/blog/export-import-wsl-linux-distro-windows-10/
[10:10] <rymate1234> Quick question -- is there a way to dismiss the gdm lockscreen from a virtual terminal?
[10:11] <rymate1234> For some reason it isn't accepting my password
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> rymate1234: if password doesnt get accepted, that has a reason, typed correctly? caps ON/OFF ?
[10:20] <rymate1234> I typed it correctly to get into the VT
[10:20] <rymate1234> hence why I asked...
[10:20] <rymate1234> like there was a very obvious error when the password fails
[10:20] <rymate1234> but when I typed the password right it displayed a spinner for like a second then did nothing
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> rymate1234: i checked dconf-editor but dont see a way of disabling or autologin right away
[10:22] <rymate1234> I didn't ask for it to be disabled
[10:22] <rymate1234> just a way of manually dismissing it
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> rymate1234: try this gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.lockdown disable-lock-screen 'true'
[10:26] <rymate1234> I'll give it a shot thanks
[10:26] <rymate1234> Nah that didn't dismiss it
[10:27] <rymate1234> https://media.rymate.co.uk/trastronous here's a video of what's happening fyi
[10:27] <rymate1234> First time is purposefully incorrect, second time is me entering my password correctly
[10:27] <lotuspsychje> thats weird
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> rymate1234: so in a tty your password gets accepted right?
[10:28] <rymate1234> Yeah
[10:28] <rymate1234> And ssh
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> rymate1234: wich flavour are you on?
[10:29] <rymate1234> It's kubuntu but I'm currently using the default flavour desktop
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> rymate1234: what about trying to install another desktop like openbox, and try login into there
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> maybe its a flaw somewhere in sddm
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> RikMills: you saw this before ^ ?
[10:31] <oerheks> maybe the disk is mounted RO ?
[10:33] <rymate1234> Nah the disk is read write
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> rymate1234: nvidia graphics?
[10:35] <RikMills> lotuspsychje: not aware of anything
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> RikMills: ok tnx
[10:38] <rymate1234> Amd graphics
[10:48] <rymate1234> ah!
[10:48] <rymate1234> loginctl unlock-sessions worked
[11:06] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:31] <miguel_clean> not really an ubuntu or even linux question, but any idea how to read this bank schemas: https://www.kingston.com/en/memory/search?model=78226&devicetype=3&mfr=SON&line=VAIO ?
[11:31] <miguel_clean> max mem 8gb, but no of the schemas adds up to more then 6gb???
[11:32] <Hamilton> If I want to ssh into some remote box, I just need to do a "sudo apt install openssh-server", right?
[11:42] <oerheks> miguel_clean, more a ##hardware question, but the obvious missing is 4 + 4 gb. that schema just shows the other options
[12:16] <amuro> nyone know where I can get the windows version of evince?
[12:18] <oerheks> evince is linux only.
[12:18] <amuro> There is a windwos version I downloaded before
[12:19] <oerheks> Nope, if you downloaded a evince.exe, must be malware
[12:20] <coconut> amuro, evince is a gnome app, and thus linux only.
[12:21] <BluesKaj> oerheks, it's in the repos
[12:22] <oerheks> BluesKaj, the windows version?
[12:22] <BluesKaj> never knew that, always thought it was awndows app :-)
[12:23] <oerheks> closest thing to evince, opensource, is calibre
[12:23] <coconut> oh... seems to be a windows version here https://www.fosshub.com/Evince.html
[12:23] <BluesKaj> heh, no wonder I was confused it's agnome app
[12:24] <oerheks> coconut, i don't trust that
[12:24] <amuro> is hosshub safe?
[12:24] <amuro> fosshub*
[12:24] <oerheks> ioh, also on cnet, goodluck!
[12:26] <coconut> oerheks, it has 30.000 downloads!
[12:29] <coconut> amuro, it's weird because they link to the gnome project website while there is not windows version. At the same time it is a respected website... i would try to find another app.
[12:30] <amuro> thx all
[12:30] <amuro> I downloaded from cnet, thx
[12:31] <amuro> Whats up with the people in windows channel?
[12:31] <amuro> they are so unfriendly trying to mute me when I asking for windows version of evince
[12:32] <coconut> amuro, you do want to find a project website first before you just install a binary found somewhere.
[12:32] <amuro> Oh I thought download.cnet.com is safe
[12:32] <amuro> I used to download a lot from that site like 20 years ago
[13:12] <coconut> What top program is used here? https://www.kali.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/release-2020.2-kali-kde-dark.png
[13:18] <gibson96> coconut: What part in particular?
[13:21] <gunix> if we have servers that can't reach launchpad because the IPs are blocked, who should we talk to?
[13:21] <gibson96> coconut: KDE Plasma, Dolphin File Manager, Neofetch (in the bottom right terminal), and something like htop?
[13:23] <oerheks> gunix, tried #launchpad ? uk office hourse
[13:57] <dreamer> hmm, just upgraded my workstation from 18.04 to 20.04 and it seems I'm missing a bunch of fonts. and some of the ones that are installed are not rendering properly
[13:57] <dreamer> I use fonts-powerline in my terminals and everything looks weird
[14:03] <Kamaris> I recently installer fiber internet, but I am not able to accomplish those speeds from my Ubuntu desktop, here is my current state of troubleshooting: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zNP38wQ6kJ/  Looking for guidance on what to try next
[14:11] <kyle__> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_interface_bit_rates
[14:12] <kyle__> That was between servers on your local lan, that has nothing to do with your internet connection
[14:13] <Kamaris> are you referring to the iperf?
[14:13] <kyle__> Yeah.
[14:13] <kyle__> Without more details, I'm going to guess that's local lan at least.
[14:13] <Kamaris> i included that more as a reference to the server not reaching gigabit speads in general
[14:13] <Kamaris> while other systems on the network are getting much closer
[14:14] <kyle__> You're getting solidly more than 100BaseT can deliver, just not up to the theoretical max speeds of 1000BaseT
[14:14] <dodocrypto_> h all
[14:14] <dodocrypto_> hi all
[14:16] <kyle__> As for internet speeds, speedtest is included in the ubuntu repos.  It's a CLI version of the speedtest.net page.  I've got gig service as well, and I almost never test close to the advertised speed.
[14:17] <Kamaris> yes i used the speedtest cli and got even worse test speeds. i believe since i can do something liek disable network manager and get almost a 100 mb increase in speed test, that there are certain software settings i am unfamiliar with that might improve overall performance from that box
[14:17] <leftyfb> right now is the worst time for speed tests. Nobody is getting their full potential due to so many people working from home or just being at home and being online
[14:17] <xaneo> I'll cli-speedtest my setup now....
[14:18] <xaneo> Download: 100.48 Mbit/s
[14:18] <kyle__> Kamaris: I'm not a fan of networkmanager either, but it shouldn't be slowing down your connection.
[14:18] <xaneo> Upload: 103.61 Mbit/s
[14:18] <kyle__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/V3W9vsVzzt/
[14:18] <Kamaris> if you look at the block of info where i test from multiple devices, you can see it's only the ubuntu system not reaching the speed thresholds, which is why i was hoping for insight on whether it was the antiquated hardware / build not handling the throughput well, or something else from a software perspective i can try
[14:18] <kyle__> That is the slowest I've ever seen mine test at :/ but it's also the first time I've run the test during the pandemic
[14:19] <xaneo> kyle__: Would you say it's more beneficial to learn to set up the connection via the terminal?
[14:19] <leftyfb> Kamaris: realtek has been known to have sub-par drivers which could cause issues with throughput/efficiency
[14:20] <leftyfb> xaneo: not really
[14:20] <WaV> Speedtest CLI - Download: 142.78 Mbit/s / Upload: 10.75 Mbit/s ||||| speedtest.xfinity.com Download: 256.4Mbps
[14:20] <xaneo> Oh nice, Chicargo. Went there a few weeks ago. People were shooting nearby all night lol
[14:20] <leftyfb> WaV: lets not
[14:20] <leftyfb> !ot | xaneo
[14:21] <kyle__> xaneo: oh 100%  It's just that the defaults in ubuntu desktop are to network-manager, and for a laptop, it's actually useful.
[14:21] <kyle__> My servers & hardwired boxes I just do it by hand.
[14:21] <Kamaris> leftyfb: oh :(
[14:21] <xaneo> leftyfb: OK mister police officer
[14:22] <xaneo> See, this is why people leave IRC
[14:22] <xaneo> one slight thing off-topic and they're punished
[14:23] <leftyfb> xaneo: this is a support channel. All other topics are offtopic here. I don't see how giving you information is punishment.
[14:23] <fakuve> Hi guys , I'm trying to temporary add an ubuntu repository , I'm trying to get gpg keys but it seems to be not working. Am I doing Something wrong? Executing: /tmp/apt-key-gpghome.YiWuXRiVwy/gpg.1.sh --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 54B8C8AC
[14:23] <leftyfb> fakuve: which repo are you trying to add?
[14:24] <fakuve> leftyfb: thisone  echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mkusb/ppa/ubuntu bionic main" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mkusb.list
[14:24] <xaneo> leftyfb: You're may be giving me information, but in essence you're pointing out my wrongdoing.
[14:24] <xaneo> You*
[14:25] <xaneo> OK, I've had enough of this. I'll come back another time. Have a good day.
[14:25] <fakuve> leftyfb: it looks as if its processing but it's definitely stuck for more than 15 mins already
[14:25] <leftyfb> fakuve: undo everything you've done and run: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mkusb/ppa
[14:26] <fakuve> thanks leftyfb
[14:27] <fakuve> leftyfb: I dont have such a package in my repository (Kali rolling) add-apt-repository
[14:27] <kbdlnx123> Hey guys can I know why tracker is being used consistently?
[14:27] <leftyfb> !kali | fakuve
[14:28] <fakuve> leftyfb: thanks
[14:28] <fakuve> leftyfb: I posted in here cause as it was related to an ubuntu repository. Thanks
[14:28]  * dododcrypto greet everyone
[14:29] <kyle__> Not to go too OT, but I thought kali was directly a debian derivitive?
[14:29] <leftyfb> kyle__: feel free to discuss in #kali-linux
[14:30] <kyle__> Point taken (and no argument).
[15:02] <slanck>  i got a kernel crash dump and would like to analyze it with GDB but the .crash file on /var/crash doesn't seem to have a CoreDump file when I unpack it using apport-unpack
[15:03] <slanck> and using the .crash file or the file generated on /var/crash/DATE/dump.XYZ with GDB gives incorrect file format
[15:03] <slanck> I would like to have the CoreDump file to analyze it using GDB, apport-retrace gives the error of missing files
[15:08] <tmroland> hi, i have a drive on which i have 2 partitions, sda1 and sda2, sda2 is ubuntu and sda1 was created to copy sda1 so i can resize it to  take up the whole disk because i was running low on space on sda 1. i used ubuntu live usb to dd sda2 to sda1 and when i rebooted it boots and gets stuck at the disk detection phase in the kernel log buffer
[15:09] <tmroland> used dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sda1 from live usb and it fails to boot now
[15:09] <tmroland> EFI still there, grub boots
[15:31] <freebds> how do i completely remove an application installed in opt using "apt install appp_nnnn.deb"
[15:33] <oerheks> how did you force apt to install in /opt/ ??
[15:36] <freebds> it did it by itself
[15:37] <oerheks> then why would sudo apt remove package_name not work?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> is it a browser like chrome or a vpn client ?
[15:41] <freebds> is an ibm server
[15:42] <oerheks>  Why?
[15:43]  * oerheks watches a fresh kernel appear in updates
[16:04] <slanck> it's working now
[16:16] <pmart> hey i'm trying to backport a package from groovy to focal but it fails to build because it depends on debhelper 13. what is the right solution for that?
[16:16] <leftyfb> pmart: don't
[16:17] <leftyfb> pmart: groovy isn't released yet and not supported. That includes the packages from it.
[16:19] <pmart> i know but what about debhelper issue?
[16:20] <coconut> !groovy
[16:20] <pmart> i build on focal not groovy
[16:21] <coconut> pmart, might well be but there is no support for it here.
[16:21] <pmart> no support for locally backported packages?
[16:21] <coconut> pmart, no
[16:21] <BluesKaj> you can't expect to mix and match apps from different releases and have success
[16:22] <pmart> BluesKaj: no i don't. i build from source
[16:22] <BluesKaj> doesn't matter
[16:23] <TJ-> pmart: did you try simply lowering the Build-Depends: to debhelper 12 ?
[16:23] <pmart> TJ-: yes i did it fails to build it uses some 13 features apparently
[16:23] <TJ-> pmart: sometimes the B-D is incremented 'just because' without a real reason - although the changelog or repository commit history might detail why it was set as it is
[16:24] <pmart> TJ-: no it was bumped on purpose there is a info in changelog
[16:24] <TJ-> pmart: if it comes from Debian upstream they usually maintain a packaging-only source repo which might give a clue
[16:25] <TJ-> pmart: ahhh, so, you would need to do some work to make it build then !
[16:25] <TJ-> pmart: is it related to using Python libraries or similar?
[16:26] <pmart> no it's written in Go
[16:26] <TJ-> pmart: urghh, urghh, urghh!
[16:26] <pmart> i wonder if things like pbuilder would help
[16:27] <TJ-> pmart: we generally use sbuild now, but yes, that will since it builds in a target release chroot
[16:28] <pmart> TJ-: but this focal chroot will have the same issue, no?
[16:32] <TJ-> pmart: as it is Go surely it is stand-alone and doesn't need rebuilding for 20.04? As I understood it Go applications aren't dynamically linked
[16:34] <pmart> TJ-: they might have some Go things linked statically but the resulting binary is dynamically linked to libc and friends
[16:47] <Orcs53> Hi guys, I am trying out multipass in a virtualisation use case. I have some questions, if anyone could assist me. I have configured a new instance, and I now want to access a server running within this instance from a remote machine. I cannot find any information in the documentation on networking, it appears different to typical virtualisation
[16:47] <Orcs53> approaches. I am looking for a NAT approach to access the server on the multipass instance. Any ideas?
[16:48] <Orcs53> Or, can anyone suggest alternative solutions to remotely accessing the server in the multipass instance?
[16:49] <leftyfb> Orcs53: try #multipass
[16:49] <egrain> isn't 16 somethng still x86 able?
[16:50] <leftyfb> egrain: what are you referring to?
[16:50] <Orcs53> leftyfb: Cheers, I'll ask there.
[16:50] <egrain> i have x86 processor here. old person. firefox / music listening use case.
[16:51] <leftyfb> egrain: do you mean i386, as in 32bit?
[16:51] <egrain> since you dropped 32bit, i'm wondering if the old ones are still good to use these days. i mean they are lts it says.
[16:51] <egrain> yeah.
[16:51] <egrain> p4 x86 family 15 model 2, i think.
[16:51] <egrain> browser still works, just windows xp is crap.
[16:52] <egrain> so i thought ubuntu, as usual, but then i was sorely mistaken, when i saw you only have 86_64 going.
[16:53] <leftyfb> egrain: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[16:54] <leftyfb> egrain: that is the basic installer. During the installation, make sure to tell it to install the ubuntu/gnome desktop or else you'll just get a command-line server
[16:54] <leftyfb> egrain: you also need an internet connection
[16:55] <egrain> what? an internet connection?
[16:55] <egrain> away with this devil work!
[16:55] <egrain> anwyay, thanks a bunch, my left handed facebook friend.
[16:56] <egrain> so that's bionic beaver?
[16:56] <egrain> 18 something.
[16:57] <leftyfb> !yy.mm | egrain
[16:57] <leftyfb> egrain: Ubuntu 18.04 is codenamed Bionic Beaver
[16:58] <egrain> i'm glad we are having code names. we have to protect our identities from the enemy after all.
[16:58] <egrain> anyway, thanks again for explaining.
[17:00] <egrain> why isn't there a normal not mini image for x86? i just looked through 18.04 and 4 and they are all x64.
[17:00] <egrain> why you hate x86 so much?
[17:05] <kyle__> egrain: It's an edge case by now, not hated, just not common.  Especially for desktop systems.
[17:05] <egrain> well, i don't expect someone to throw away their perfectly good machine just because it's not 64 bit.
[17:05] <leftyfb> egrain: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2018-May/040307.html
[17:06] <leftyfb> egrain: you can buy a computer for $35 that will run better than what you have there. "perfectly good" doesn't really apply here
[17:06] <kyle__> Then they can use a distro that still supports 32bit, like https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/
[17:07] <egrain> that's still 35 bucks and what do you do with old one? throw away or use it to put your legs up?
[17:07] <leftyfb> kyle__: I already linked to the 32bit installer for bionic
[17:07] <kyle__> leftyfb: Doh.  I thought that was one of the announcements about depricating it :) My bad
[17:07] <leftyfb> egrain: we're into offtopic territory here. Feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:07] <egrain> leftyfb, all good.
[17:07] <oerheks> why you hate x86 so much > find developers maintaining packages
[17:08] <egrain> that is a good reason actually
[17:08] <egrain> anyway, i'm off installing 32bit ubuntu!
[17:08] <kyle__> It's hard enough for them to get good package maintainers for some packages that _are_ fully supported in 64bit.  Like atop.
[17:55] <egrain> it says i can manually configure network, but i'm not allowed to put any IPs in.
[17:55] <egrain> how do i set the nameserver then? there is no /etc/resolv.conf
[17:55] <egrain> also i don't have vi.
[18:00] <egrain> oh, nano.
[18:06] <Kristine86> I was reinstalling Zoom, then all of a sudden external monitor stopped working. Now monitor doesn't show on display menu. I tried restarting laptop but didn't help. How can I fix this issue?
[18:10] <Kristine86> is this group active?
[18:12] <oerheks> hi Kristine86 , i have no idea about zoom, prop stuff
[18:12] <Kristine86> But aside from Zoom, how can I make external monitor work now?
[18:12] <oerheks> oh, their snap page have an issue url .. hopefull
[18:13] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/zoom-client
[18:14] <kyle__> There's a snap of it now?  I think I'm going to switch from that.  I have it installed via a dpkg, and frankly, I trust them only slightly more than I trust facebook
[18:14] <Kristine86> Ubuntu isn't detecting external monitor all of a sudden
[18:15] <kyle__> Kristine86: That would have little to nothing to do with installing zoom.  Does xrandr even show you anything?
[18:15] <kyle__> Maybe you updated the kernel before the zoom install, and this was the first reboot after that, so you don't have your drivers?
[18:15] <oerheks> nvidia card? maybe the autologin issue..
[18:16] <oerheks> depends what ubuntu version, actually
[18:19] <Kristine86> kyle__ yah that's very likely. I think issue probably  after restart.
[18:20] <Kristine86> oerheks I'm using ubuntu 20.02 lts
[18:20] <kyle__> Kristine86: Are you using a graphics card that requires a 3rd party driver with DKMS?  Like an nvidia or amd radeon?
[18:21] <Kristine86> I'm using gtx1050x, I'm not sure
[18:21] <kyle__> Probably then.
[18:22] <kyle__> uname -a to see the kernel version, mine looks like this: Linux leela 5.3.0-61-generic #55~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jun 22 16:40:20 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64
[18:22] <kyle__> x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:22] <kyle__> Grab the number part "5.3.0-61-generic"
[18:22] <kyle__> dpkg -l|grep 5.3.0-61-generic
[18:22] <kyle__> see if linux-headers-5.3.0-61-generic is in the list
[18:22] <kyle__> (replacing for whatever kernel you're on)
[18:23] <Kristine86> 5.4.0-39-generic #43-Ubuntu
[18:24] <egrain> woeahh... there would have been a 386 lubuntu 18.04 ready on the lubuntu side...
[18:24] <Kristine86> yep, I see this linux-headers-5.4.0-39-generic
[18:24] <egrain> site
[18:24] <kyle__> humm.
[18:25] <kyle__> At that point I'd try "sudo update initramfs -k all -u", which should trigger the driver to rebuild its dmks module.
[18:25] <kyle__> (basically it rebuilds all the initramfs files for all the installed kernels)
[18:26] <Kristine86> sudo: update: command not found
[18:26] <kyle__> Sorry, typo on my part
[18:26] <kyle__> sudo update-initramfs -k all -u
[18:27] <Kristine86> ok done. I guess I should restart
[18:29] <kyle__> Yeah.  If it doesn't work this time, try dmesg -T|pastebinit
[18:29] <kyle__> I'm not sure if you can do journalctl -xb|pastebinit ?  Probably  That will help diagnose it as well
[18:31] <Kristine86> ok restarting, brb
[18:35] <Kristine86> back
[18:36] <Kristine86> it didn't work either. I'll try again later. Thanks for trying.
[18:46] <rajivmars> hi guys, i am using ubuntu 20.04. the sound in 20.04 is is very low. the same laptop sounds very high when it runs windows. is there any solution to this?
[18:48] <akem> rajivmars, Try to change volume/pcm etc settings in alsamixer.
[18:48] <rajivmars> akem, i m not see many options in alsamixer.
[18:49] <sarnold> rajivmars: usually running pavucontrol is enough to figure out what needs to change
[18:49] <rajivmars> sarnold, installing it.
[18:50] <rajivmars> sarnold, what needs to be changed there is pavucontrol?
[18:54] <sarnold> rajivmars: start audio playback, and then click around in pavucontrol, you might see one or another of the mixer sliders is turned way down, or needs to be turned above 100%, etc
[18:54] <rajivmars> ok
[18:57] <egy> i've a binary with correct permissions, however i'm not able to execute it. any ideas ?
[18:57] <egy> ls -la /usr/bin/ | grep welp
[18:57] <egy> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root   root    12521472 Jul  1 12:05 welp
[18:57] <sarnold> what's the error message?
[18:58] <egy> unable to execute: no such file or dir
[18:58] <egy> with (and without) using sudo
[18:58] <sarnold> egy: try ldd welp, probably a dependency is missing
[19:06] <egy> sarnold: indeed, it doesn't work locally (on $HOME). `ldd` shows musl as a missing dependency. will re-install and run it, tanks a bunch!
[19:08] <egy> this is weird though. the error says: bash: no such file or dir. wouldn't bash use libc's fopen ?
[19:08] <egy> (i haven't installed musl yet, just rubber-ducking about the cause)
[19:09] <sarnold> egy: heh, this is a *confusing* error message :0
[19:09] <sarnold> egy: err, :) rather
[19:10] <sarnold> egy: the error message is coming from the execve(2) syscall: ENOENT The file pathname or a script or ELF interpreter does not exist, or a shared library needed for the file or interpreter cannot be found.
[19:10] <egy> oh! you're probably right! lemme strace that real quick
[19:10] <sarnold> egy: most people who see this assume it's the "file pathname or script does not exist" part -- but this error number can mean three different things in this case
[19:11] <egy> i'm listening
[19:11] <sarnold> egy: so, ldd should show the elf interpreter, dynamic libraries, etc, and if they are missing, which ones need to be put into place
[19:12] <sarnold> egy: usually it's enough to install the loader or the library that is missing, and then you're on your way :) and once you know this one, you'll never *ever* forget it :)
[19:22] <egy> sarnold: so i assume that it actually looks for something in the musl shared object, but it couldn't find it (so it returned no such file or dir) ?
[19:23] <egy> "it" being the musl library
[19:23] <sarnold> egy: yeah; missing the libc that was used for the object file in question is the usual problem
[19:24] <egy> sounds reasonable. i'd like to dig more into this but not enough time. thanks again for offering your help
[19:24] <ioria> egy, have you run 'file' on that binary ?
[19:24] <egy> yes, a 64bit executable
[19:25] <ioria> ok
[20:00] <[rg]> can I contribute to ubuntu without ubuntu one? also do ppa's have to be hosted on launchpad?
[20:02] <sarnold> you can certainly answer questions on irc, askubuntu, etc without launchpad account -- but your options for contributing without a launchpad account are definitely limited
[20:07] <[rg]> can I send patches to someone with a launchpad account?
[20:11] <freebds> i want to generate an access key
[20:12] <freebds> curl -ki -u node_username:node_password -X POST https://localhost:9092/access_keys -d @access_key_config.json
[20:12] <freebds> what do i type in access_key_config.json
[20:13] <tomreyn> that's ubuntu related how?
[20:14] <wingedrhino> Is there an alternative to .profile, that is executed on all shells when a new terminal is opened? I.e, I don't want to put it in .bashrc or .zshrc because I tend to use both. Would a `source .profile` be a wise choice on either of these files?
[20:15] <[rg]> wingedrhino: looking for a place to put env vars?
[20:15] <wingedrhino> [rg]: yeah lol and some function aliases
[20:15] <[rg]> ok that will depend on your shell
[20:16] <wingedrhino> So I personally use `zsh`, but the shell scripts I run tend to be for `sh` (when I write them) or `bash` (installers from the internet). I'd like something to work on all 3.
[20:18] <tomreyn> everything read .profile, just bash doesn't IF there is also ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login. so you can just put everything in .profile and not have the bash specific files.
[20:19] <tomreyn> *readS
[20:20] <wingedrhino> tomreyn: yeah but .profile seems to only be read during login; not while opening a second terminal when already logged in
[20:23] <tomreyn> wingedrhino: and you need to do this because?
[20:23] <wingedrhino> tomreyn: because I frequently reassign variables while developing stuff?
[20:24] <tomreyn> so export them
[20:24] <[rg]> yeah, you can place them in a script also
[20:29] <wingedrhino> tomreyn: they _are_ exported. Just that they don't seem to be loaded by .zshrc on startup
[20:29] <wingedrhino> I mean by zsh
[20:30] <wingedrhino> I added a `source ~/.profile` to the end of .zshrc to fix this. But wondering if there is a way to avoid this. A common .shellrc?
[20:32] <tomreyn> for environment variables there's a systemd wide default
[20:33] <tomreyn> ~/.config/environment.d/*.conf
[20:35] <tomreyn> so you're right, i lied, zsh doesn't read .profile unless you make it do so manually
[20:38] <geirha> and yes, .profile is only meant to be read during login, that's why it's only read when you log in
[20:38] <wingedrhino> So I guess as long as bash does it, I should be fine with adding `. ~/.profile` at the end of `.zshrc`
[20:39] <wingedrhino> geirha: what about ~/.config/environment.d/*.conf?
[20:39] <geirha> also during log in, but read by pam instead of sh
[20:41] <geirha> if you want to source .profile from .zshrc, you should make sure .profile doesn't append stuff to variables unconditionally; such as appending/prepending to PATH, else you might end up with larger and larger variables
[20:41] <wingedrhino> bah! I guess making my .profile idempotent and and sourcing it in .profile should do it.
[20:41] <wingedrhino> *in .zhsrc
[20:41] <wingedrhino> So yes $PATH is the one thing I'll need to worry about
[20:42] <wingedrhino> Will google up some one-liner function I can write to test the presence of an entry in $PATH before adding it
[20:43] <geirha> case :$PATH: in *:/some/bin:*) : ;; *) PATH=/some/bin:$PATH ;; esac
[20:43] <wingedrhino> Or maybe there's a unix utility that can split $PATH by the ":" character, de-dupe it, and re-create it or something
[20:43] <Dr_Coke> Can someone tell me when the nvidia drivers will allow fractional scaling and 2560x1440 on ubuntu 20.04 and maybe even allow me to use wayland
[20:44] <wingedrhino> geirha: ooh thanks!
[20:47] <snordraacher> so i've just found out my 18.04 server now uses netplan. fine by me but the relevant config files are missing. how do i configure my network settings now?
[20:49] <tomreyn> https://netplan.io/examples
[20:50] <compdoc> just need one .yaml file
[20:51] <geirha> second example has incosistent indentation; uses 4 instead of 2 in the last object there
[20:52] <snordraacher> it's a feature that no file was created during migration?
[20:52] <tomreyn> from kali to linux mint?
[20:53] <snordraacher> i'll create one, fine by me :) i just expected some place where i could find my current config
[20:53] <snordraacher> from previous LTS so 16.04 i think
[20:53] <snordraacher> ubuntu server to ubuntu server
[20:57] <snordraacher> geirha: thanks!
[20:57] <tomreyn> snordraacher: do you read release notes? can be worth it.
[20:57] <snordraacher> tomreyn: pretty sure i did but it's been a while. just never rebooted
[20:59] <tomreyn> i'd recommend reading them before you start a release upgrade
[21:01] <snordraacher> sounds like a good idea
[21:02] <snordraacher> reading them now: The installer will generate a configuration file for netplan.io in the /etc/netplan directory.
[21:02] <tomreyn> did you run an installer?
[21:07] <tomreyn> snordraacher: hmm, it doesn't seem like there are instruction son what you should do about networking during / after release upgrade. i'm not sure what's supposed to happen. my guess is that if you have /etc/network/interfaces then it will continue to be used for backward compatibility.
[21:09] <snordraacher> tomreyn: yeah seems like it
[21:17] <kari> Heya
[21:20] <kari> Anyone alive?
[21:21] <Dr_Coke> Hi kari
[21:22] <tomreyn> hi kari, got any ubuntu support questions?
[21:23] <weskrasko> join #nm
[21:24] <kari> I do indeed
[21:25] <kari> Is there any reason ubuntu would randomly freeze up, ram and cpu don't go over 30% or so.
[21:27] <kari> I had the same issue, a lot more frequently with my last OS, also debian based. So flattened that and installed ubuntu 20.04, ran fine most of the day, but then randomly just froze up. Audio bugged out too.
[21:27] <snordraacher> so i've set the opendns ips as primary and secondary dns servers. but i cant resolve anything
[21:28] <tomreyn> kari: most of the time the reason is in hardware, sometimes firmware, rarely in linux. what's the hardware?  journalctl -b | grep DMI:    would tell
[21:28] <snordraacher> they're mentioned when i run systemd-resolve --status, as well as the server's local ip. which i'm not sure of whether it should be there
[21:29] <snordraacher> kari: tried running a stresstest?
[21:30] <kari> Its turned off right now, but its an amp amd phenom 2, 8gb ballistic ddr3 1600 ram, gigabyte motherboard and radon r9 285 gaming 2gb
[21:30] <kari> Wouldn't know what to do, but I'm open to suggestions and I can screenshot and try in the morning
[21:31] <kari> Am3 and phenom*
[21:31] <kari> What throws me is windows runs perfectly fine with no crashes, but linux goes belly up. Lol
[21:33] <tomreyn> kari: try getting a full system log uploaded tomorrow then. journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:35] <kari> Nc being netcat?
[21:35] <egy> yes
[21:37] <kari> Sounds good. Will give it a go tomorrow first thing
[21:40] <kari> Thank you kindly
[21:44] <tomreyn> kari: also install memtest86+ and reboot to it (select it from grub menu) and run it overnight.
[21:47] <kari> I have it installed, dont think my girl woild lile the pc om all night. Lol
[21:48] <kari> It wouldnt hurt to just rrplace the ram, right? Its quite old now, and i can imagine it being a problem
[21:48] <tomreyn> well, the journal is a good start
[21:49] <kari> yea, ill give that a go
[21:49] <tomreyn> replacing possibly broken dumms by other possibly broken dimms doesn't solve a problem. ;)
[21:50] <kari> dumms?
[21:50] <tomreyn> I mean to write 'DIMMs' twice, sorry
[21:50] <kari> Was just gonna buy some new ddr3 hehe
[21:50] <tomreyn> meanT, hah
[21:51] <kari> you on a phone, then? Lol
[21:51] <tomreyn> just a bad typist
[21:51] <kari> Haha fair enough
[21:52] <tomreyn> i would not recommend spending money on this system anymore really, phenom is ooold.
[21:52] <kari> yeah, i knowwwww
[21:52] <kari> had it for like 7 yeads
[21:53] <kari> Years
[21:53] <snordraacher> tomreyn: /etc/network/interfaces which says to use dhcp is appearantly still being used. i'm getting an ip via dhcp
[21:53] <kari> Right, you gonna be here in about 10 hours?
[21:54] <snordraacher> think i can safely rename it? no physical access..
[21:54] <tomreyn> kari: unlikely, but certainly *someone*
[21:54] <kari> Okie dokie, thanks for the advice
[21:54] <kari> Laters folks
[21:55] <tomreyn> snordraacher: the only responsible answer to that is the one you can make up yourself
[21:55] <snordraacher> shit haha. ok some other time then
[21:56] <snordraacher> thanks for the advice!
[21:56] <tomreyn> you're welcome, kari + snordraacher :)
[22:16] <SrPx> hey. after a 15 years programming career and a few weeks of research i finally ordered my first ever ubuntu machine, a dell xps 13, migrating after 8 years of pure macbook / OSX
[22:17] <sarnold> woot, congratulations
[22:17] <kk4ewt> SrPx; Welcome to the FOSS side
[22:19] <SrPx> I hope I adapt to linux and don't miss anything from the apple ecosystem. a little bit anxious about things like build quality (like the trackpad), and things that I take from granted (time machine, airdrop, seamless integration with iphone & stuff). not 100% sure ill love it. but i love customizing things and perhaps it will end up working very well. in the worst case it will be fun
[22:19] <SrPx> thanks \o
[22:20] <SrPx> that means i'll be bothering you with a looooooot of questions when it arrives so get ready c:
[22:21] <Bashing-om> SrPx: Help is what we do - so long as you put some effort into that learning curve.
[22:22] <kk4ewt> SrPx; you may find on most things Open Source is better than Apple
[22:39] <SrPx> I hope so, but it is fine if some things don't work as well. It is hard to compete with the most profitable company in the world and I'm not expecting everything to be better nor easier
[23:15] <semitones> Hey all; i thought I'd take another shot at downsizing my ubuntu installation instead of fresh installing
[23:15] <semitones> i'm installing synaptic and I'm going to look for packages to remove
[23:17] <semitones> Ok just to doublecheck: it's sudo -i synaptic?
[23:20] <Bashing-om> semitones: ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo apt install synaptic ' :D
[23:21] <quadrathoch2> semitones as long as you are on Xorg,  sudo synaptics should be enough
[23:25] <sarnold> semitones: the 'orphaner' tool from the deboprhan package is pretty handy
[23:26] <semitones> thanks sarnold!
[23:26] <semitones> Also looks like if you open it through the gui it automatically asks for root
[23:27] <semitones> so much of my 10 GB installation is taken up by snaps
[23:35] <semitones> can I remove ubuntu-standard?
[23:37] <sarnold> semitones: if you've got a good enough reason, yeah, that's probably fine; another option is to use the 'equivs' package to fake up whatever it is you don't want, so you can keep the meta-package
[23:37] <Bashing-om> semitones: ^ in for a worls of hurt - see: ' apt show ubuntu-standard ' .
[23:37] <sarnold> semitones: just be aware that upgrades to new releases may require a bit more work
[23:37] <Bashing-om> world*
[23:37] <sarnold> semitones: re ten gigs of snaps, you could ask it to keep one, or perhaps even zero, previous versions of snaps
[23:39] <semitones> I don't need to mess with ubuntu-standard then; I'm on ubuntu studio, which I think uses xfce?
[23:39] <semitones> sarnold, I'm pretty new to snaps: how can I do that?
[23:40] <semitones> and how can I see which snaps are installed?
[23:40] <sarnold> snap list
[23:41] <semitones> thanks
[23:42] <sarnold> semitones: https://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date#retain
[23:44] <semitones> ok, set that to 2
[23:45] <semitones> I still have 8.6 GB on my filesystem; still looking for wood to chop
[23:46] <sarnold> ncdu is handy
[23:46] <sarnold> I love how "find things to remove" usually means people suggesting their favourite tools to install :)
[23:47] <semitones> I'm thinking that I might have manually installed another desktop environment at some point
[23:48] <semitones> if Ubuntu Studio is the one I want to keep, is there a main ubuntu metapackage I can safely remove? Not sure if that would be ubuntu-standard or something else
[23:48] <sarnold> somewhere there's a scary looking script that does a *lot* of grunt work in removing unwanted desktop environments
[23:50] <semitones> like i have 1.8 GB in /usr/share, but most of it isn't in directories so I don't know what is taking up that space
[23:51] <Bashing-om> sarnold: This one ? https://github.com/aysiu/purebuntu - semitones will have to adapt to his use case :D
[23:52] <semitones> thanks :)
[23:53] <sarnold> Bashing-om: hmm, I had a thought that it was several times longer. this is close but I'd really want to closely examine what it suggests to do before blindly doing it :)
[23:54] <Bashing-om> sarnold: old but there is: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelubuntu .
[23:55] <semitones> In your version of ubuntu software center, are you able to select multiple items, and then remove them all at once
[23:56] <semitones> I can select multiple items, but I can only then add them to folders, not remove them
[23:56] <sarnold> Bashing-om: oh wow those are broad :) all those poor little font packages ..
[23:57] <Bashing-om> sarnold: :D What a web we can weave for ourselves . easy to get in - ouch to get out .
[23:57] <sarnold> Bashing-om: hah, so true
[23:59] <semitones> I have 330 MB of icons alone
[23:59] <semitones> in usr share :P
[23:59] <sarnold> that's a lot of icons
[23:59] <semitones> like, why. How did this happen
[23:59] <sarnold> oh I wonder, are they appstream icons?