[00:00] <sarnold> there's an /etc/apt/*/*appstream* file of some sort that downloads a metric ton of icons way too often. I removed that thing years ago.
[00:00] <semitones> there's papyrus, ubuntu, xfce, light, dark, etc
[00:00] <semitones> huh; is it a package to remove or a setting to change?
[00:01] <semitones> There's /elementary in here
[00:04] <sarnold> semitones: apt purge appstream will remove the contents of /var/cache/app-info/gv and /var/lib/app-info
[00:04] <semitones> looks like the software center depends on appstream; guess that's a good reason to be rid of it
[00:06] <semitones> Ok things are looking a lot better. I have 2.8 GB of free space now
[00:07] <sarnold> do you have a /var/log/journal?
[00:07] <semitones> yes and that's pretty huge too
[00:07] <semitones> 720 MB
[00:07] <sarnold> so... you don't *need* that directory; if you remove it, you'll lose all your journals from previous boots
[00:08] <sarnold> which might make debugging problems intolerably bad
[00:08] <semitones> does it remake itself with journals of my next boots?
[00:08] <sarnold> but if you'd rather than the 720 megs than the journals, you can remove it
[00:08] <sarnold> no, if you remove the directory, it should stay gone
[00:08] <semitones> oh ok
[00:08] <sarnold> you can also configure systemd-journald to decide how much to retain, if you'd rather keep it, but prune it
[00:09] <semitones> I should probably keep some journals, just not the oldest ones
[00:09] <sarnold> see journald.conf(5) for informatoin on how to configure it
[00:10] <semitones> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu is pretty huge too; but I'm thinking I need that one
[00:11] <sarnold> you do :)
[00:11] <semitones> well I think I have enough free space now to update to 20.04 :)
[00:11] <semitones> hopefully
[00:13] <sarnold> apt-get clean will remove the downlaoded packages from /var/cache/apt/archives/
[00:14] <semitones> I have the live CD installed on a microSD card
[00:15] <turneralex> I have an autoinstall on a custom 20.04 ISO I'm building using Cubic. Subiquity is writing a Curtin log and providing a path but I can't for the life of me work out how to break into a shell. This has happened after cloud-init has run; how do I open a shell? Neither CTRL+Z of ALT+F1-6 work
[00:15] <semitones> I remember in the old days, you could tell synaptic to use your CDROM to avoid having to download everything
[00:15] <semitones> I'm guessing there's a modern equivalent to ask it to look at the microSD
[00:15] <monkwitdafunk> semitones, which application did you use to put an ISO9660 on an sd card?
[00:16] <semitones> imonk I suppose I was not precise with my language
[00:17] <semitones> It is the live USB install medium, but on a microSD card
[00:17] <semitones> I used etcher from windows
[00:17] <quadrathoch2> semitones it should still be possible to just add a CD to your sources.list file
[00:17] <monkwitdafunk> i bought DVDs from a website from a business in CA, USA which includes ubuntu server
[00:18] <monkwitdafunk> great idea quadrathoch2
[00:18] <monkwitdafunk> but where can you find the repositories for ubuntu for purchase?
[00:18] <monkwitdafunk> offline that is on DVD
[00:19] <monkwitdafunk> i like the idea of live toram ubuntu
[00:19] <monkwitdafunk> i had a question for the channel. do i use pbuilder to build packages inside a chroot such as firejail?
[00:19] <quadrathoch2> wow, people still buy linux dvds? ^^
[00:19] <sarnold> turneralex: if that's the new live server installer, there's a menu entry to start a shell in a menu in the upper right hand corner
[00:20] <monkwitdafunk> i got manpages.ubuntu.com
[00:20] <quadrathoch2> monkwitdafunk yes :)
[00:21] <monkwitdafunk> i dont have a intel/amd 64 computer right now. im getting an intel atom netbook arrived in the mail for the near future
[00:21] <turneralex> @sarnold it'd an autoinstall so theres no menu, it looks as if the OS is running underneath it and subiquity-service is running as a userspace app
[00:21] <monkwitdafunk> is running pbuilder within a terminal hard? will i need to use vim/nano
[00:22] <sarnold> turneralex: oh, dang. I had hoped it'd have some amount of the interactive system around to troubleshoot :/
[00:23] <quadrathoch2> monkwitdafunk depends on what you want to build
[00:24] <monkwitdafunk> mutt, lynx, profanity, and irssi
[00:24] <monkwitdafunk> mainly firejail
[00:25] <monkwitdafunk> i am trying to set up software for the intel atom netbook to be used from free wifi and facing the internet from the ip address i connect to in a secure fashion
[00:26] <quadrathoch2> monkwitdafunk should work pretty easily
[00:26] <semitones> yeah I am learning sources.list
[00:26] <semitones> this from 2008 suggests mounting your usb to /cdrom to trick it
[00:26] <semitones> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1010582
[00:27] <semitones> i can see the /dists directory on the live USB
[00:27] <monkwitdafunk> quadrathoch2, which comes first? apt-get -i firejail < or > pbuilder
[00:27] <monkwitdafunk> im guessing pbuilder
[00:28] <quadrathoch2> semitones https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#CD-ROM  it should also work on ubuntu
[00:28] <quadrathoch2> pretty sure pbuilder, but I never really worked with firejail
[00:28] <semitones> ah -d
[00:29] <monkwitdafunk> BUGS
[00:29] <monkwitdafunk> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< pbuilder
[00:29] <monkwitdafunk> i should know if everything is correct by looking through the filesystem i bet
[00:29] <semitones> hmm looks like apt-cdrom isn't packaged for 18.04
[00:30] <monkwitdafunk> i remember apt-cdrom
[00:30] <monkwitdafunk> wasnt very successful but im aware of it
[00:30] <monkwitdafunk> does sources.list work for you semitones?
[00:31] <monkwitdafunk> did you generate a package download script from synaptic or something?
[00:31] <bumblefuzz> so, I installed sudo apt install rtl8812au-dkms but iwconfig still doesn't see my wifi card
[00:31] <monkwitdafunk> how on earth do you get offline packages of the open source repository ubuntu.com
[00:32] <quadrathoch2> bumblefuzz did you update your initramfs and rebooted?
[00:33] <monkwitdafunk> https://pbuilder-team.pages.debian.net/pbuilder/ <<<<< quadrathoch2, is this the chroot jail manual for running applications in a chroot jail?
[00:34] <quadrathoch2> pbuilder is for building packages not jails
[00:34] <Bashing-om> semitones: see: ' man apt-cdrom ' in terminal .
[00:34] <bumblefuzz> quadrathoch2 I rebooted only
[00:35] <quadrathoch2> do 'sudo update-initramfs
[00:35] <quadrathoch2> semitones so I upgraded my system from 14.04 to 20.04 and I have apt-cdrom (so maybe it's in apt directly included)
[00:36] <semitones> I see it here: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&keywords=apt-cdrom&searchon=names but I can't find it in apt
[00:36] <bumblefuzz> quadrathoch2 and reboot?
[00:36] <quadrathoch2> semitones apt-cdrom-setup is a package you don't want
[00:36] <quadrathoch2> bumblefuzz yes
[00:37] <semitones> oh apt-cdrom is already installed, ok
[00:37] <quadrathoch2> its a feature included in the normal apt package :)
[00:37] <monkwitdafunk> https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/disco/man8/jailtool.8.html <<< quadrathoch2, your so good at ubuntu man. thanks
[00:37]  * semitones whew
[00:38] <monkwitdafunk> okay. i gtg. thank you everybody. i am very thankfull
[00:38] <quadrathoch2> monkwitdafunk debian ftw :P, but honestly it's more because of me using linux for a long time
[00:38] <bumblefuzz> quadrathoch2 iwconfig still doesn't show the card
[00:39] <monkwitdafunk> i now know i have to use the term chroot jail
[00:39] <monkwitdafunk> easy easy
[00:39] <monkwitdafunk> haha
[00:39]  * monkwitdafunk leaves
[00:39] <quadrathoch2> bumblefuzz can you see the module when you use the command lsmod?
[00:40] <bumblefuzz> yes, 8812au
[00:41] <quadrathoch2> is it used bumblefuzz
[00:41] <quadrathoch2> ?
[00:41] <bumblefuzz> how can I tell?
[00:43] <quadrathoch2> bumblefuzz if there is at least a 1 behind that module
[00:44] <bumblefuzz> `8812au               1290240  0`
[00:44] <bumblefuzz> so, no?
[00:44] <quadrathoch2> no
[00:44] <quadrathoch2> or yeah nothing is using it
[00:44] <bumblefuzz> so, what else can I do
[00:44] <quadrathoch2> bumblefuzz what does 'ip a' say?
[00:44] <bumblefuzz> ?
[00:45] <quadrathoch2> does it see a second? network card
[00:45] <bumblefuzz> I have 3 ethernet NIC's. It only sees those and the loopback
[00:45] <semitones> It worked, apt-cdrom is going strong
[00:45] <semitones> I guess I can do release upgrade now
[00:45] <semitones> so nervous
[00:46] <quadrathoch2> semitones good luck, and hope your backups are good :)
[00:46] <quadrathoch2> bumblefuzz
[00:46] <quadrathoch2> oops :/ didn't want to ping you
[00:48] <bumblefuzz> how does ```lsusb``` show the device
[00:48] <bumblefuzz> and `lsmod` shows the device
[00:48] <bumblefuzz> but iwconfig cannot see the device?
[00:50] <quadrathoch2> bumblefuzz do you have pastebinit installed?
[00:50] <bumblefuzz> yes
[00:50] <quadrathoch2> can you post 'lsusb -vnn | pastebinit'
[00:51] <quadrathoch2> then 'lsmod | pastebinit'
[00:51] <bumblefuzz> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DV8gHzjR39/
[01:03] <semitones> how about this -- do-release-upgrade -d asks me to fully upgrade all packages, but apt upgrade and apt dist-upgrade don't show any that need to be upgraded. When I do apt list --upgradable, I get some *focal* packages?
[01:04] <semitones> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tjzPhSTwcB/
[01:05] <quadrathoch2> I would probaby start from afresh (reedit your sources.list to the old distro) and then make sure you have all updates
[01:06] <semitones> ok
[01:06] <semitones> at which point would I add back in the cdrom entry?
[01:06] <semitones> after doing do-release-upgrade?
[01:07] <quadrathoch2> semitones wait, so you want to use the dvd for a release upgrade?
[01:07] <semitones> yes, except it's a microSD
[01:08] <semitones> I'm concerned that I might not have neough disk space to download all the packages
[01:08] <semitones> maybe I can tell apt it can use the microSD if it runs out of space on the main drive?
[01:09] <quadrathoch2> uh, ahm, honestly I don't know if that is 'supported' as it would be almost the same as just editing the sources.list file to the newer release and full-upgrade. which is _not_ supported
[01:09] <semitones> yeah, i don't want to do that if the ubuntu way is do-release-upgrade
[01:14] <semitones> oh well, I tried
[01:14] <semitones> upgrading without using the microSD :(
[01:14] <quadrathoch2> semitones still not enough?
[01:15] <semitones> i'm not sure i'll run out of disk space, but it has happened before during release upgrades
[01:16] <semitones> The upgrade has aborted. The upgrade needs a total of 4,246 M free
[01:16] <semitones> space on disk '/'. Please free at least an additional 1,752 M of disk
[01:16] <semitones> space on '/'.
[01:17] <sarnold> :(
[01:17] <quadrathoch2> hm, could get hairy :/
[01:18] <semitones> can I clean out /lib/modules somehow
[01:18] <semitones> i have 4 kernels in there
[01:19] <semitones> what if I just removed all but the latest kernels
[01:19] <Bashing-om> semitones: Might help. While there is no built in way to remove all of your configuration information from your removed packages you can remove all configuration data from every removed package. ' dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print $2}' | xargs sudo dpkg -P ' .
[01:19] <semitones> is there a downside do removing configuration data like that?
[01:20] <semitones> s/do/to/
[01:20] <quadrathoch2> Bashing-om shouldn't just apt purge ~rc work
[01:20] <quadrathoch2> or is tehre a difference
[01:20] <semitones> right now I have kernels 108 and 109 for lowlatency and generic
[01:21] <Bashing-om> quadrathoch2: Got me - never seen that invocation - but dpkg works at a lower level than apt.
[01:23] <quadrathoch2> i just assume that still the outcome should be the same (i guess)
[01:26] <semitones> I'm still not sure what either of those would do
[01:26] <sarnold> semitones: yeah, removing kernels may help, but it's not going to get you 1.7 gigs on its own
[01:27] <quadrathoch2> ~rc removes old configs of packages not installed anymore (if you forgot to purge)
[01:29] <ubuntuuser1> is gpg encrypted by default?
[01:30] <sarnold> you'll have to be more specific
[01:30] <semitones> my /var/lib/snapd is still ~700 mb
[01:30] <sarnold> semitones: what snaps do you have installed? do you have any 'system data' with those snaps?
[01:30] <ubuntuuser1> sarnold, can someone see the names of i put down on gpg?
[01:30] <ubuntuuser1> and their public keys?
[01:31] <ubuntuuser1> and my public keys?
[01:31] <sarnold> ubuntuuser1: how are you using gpg? what are you trying to do with it?
[01:32] <ubuntuuser1> send people messages
[01:32] <ubuntuuser1> so for example if I had a friend who's name was "dankestdankouthere" could someone see that if they got access to my hard drive?
[01:34] <wootin> hi
[01:34] <sarnold> ubuntuuser1: if you retrieve your friend's key from the keyservers, that operation will be visible to whoever can read the network, as well as whoever can read your hard drive
[01:34] <wootin> anyone have issues with nautilus and cifs mounts
[01:34] <semitones> sarnold, I've got gnome-calculator, gnome-logs, gnome-system-monitor which I have removed via apt but they're still in snapd
[01:34] <wootin> ie mount //server/share /folder
[01:34] <sarnold> ubuntuuser1: when you encrypt to your friend, your messages will clearly be marked encrypted to your friend's key, unless you use the --hidden-recipient command line option
[01:35] <semitones> also livepatch, core, core18, and gtk-common-themes sarnold
[01:35] <sarnold> semitones: is that it? kill em all :) 700 megs! :D
[01:35] <ubuntuuser1> im sending messages over private platforms
[01:35] <semitones> can I just delete the folders or will that break things
[01:35] <sarnold> semitones: oh, livepatch.. do you need to do something to retrieve the key before you uninstall that?
[01:35] <wootin> cifs seems to be killing nautilus
[01:36] <semitones> sarnold, maybe it's as simple as turning livepatch off
[01:36] <wootin> nautilus takes a minute or more to read
[01:36] <sarnold> semitones: I think apt-get purge snapd will uninstall all the snaps, and then remove snapd, in one easy go
[01:36] <semitones> cool
[01:38] <semitones> ooh boy
[01:38] <semitones> i am down to 6.7 GB!
[01:38] <sarnold> wootin: I don't know much about nautilus, but that smells a wee bit like trouble resolving names of hosts on the network, or something similar -- how's your local dns configuration? wins configuration?
[01:38] <wootin> dns is fine
[01:38] <sarnold> wootin: are you running avahi locally? does nautilus use that to try to speed along lookups?
[01:39] <wootin> and im using ip's in the mount
[01:39] <sarnold> hah
[01:39] <wootin> if i ctrl-alt-f5 to a real terminal there is no wait
[01:39] <wootin> no problems at all in the terminal
[01:40] <wootin> but if i do it in gnome theres that horrid lag time
[01:41] <sarnold> wootin: is there anything in journalctl output that might suggest what's going on?
[01:44] <wootin> i am getting dns errors in there
[01:45] <wootin> systemd-resolved[756]: Server returned error NXDOMAIN, mitigating potential DNS violation DVE-2018-0001, retrying transaction with reduced feature level UDP.
[01:45] <semitones> I did apt-cdrom while do-release-upgrade was waiting for user input. HOpefully that won't break anything
[01:46] <semitones> (I couldn't do it beforehand; it would show up as there being non-upgraded packages and not let me upgrade)
[01:46] <sarnold> wootin: that one can probably be ignored, at least I see it all the bloody time...
[01:47] <sarnold> wootin: unless it happens consistently when you're trying to use nautilus to do smb stuff :) heh
[01:48] <semitones> well looks like it is going to download everything anyway. Well at least it's going! Whoohoo 20.04
[01:48] <semitones> the covid ubuntu!
[01:49] <sarnold> \o/
[01:49] <semitones> high fives for everyone who was along for that ride :P
[01:49] <semitones> cut 3 GB or so
[01:57] <monkwitdafunk> semitones: what did you get done?
[02:00] <sarnold> monkwitdafunk: semitones has a super-small root filesystem and needed to trim away a *lot* of stuff to get it down small enough for a do-release-upgrade to run :)
[02:02] <monkwitdafunk> ive never kept an operating system for more than <3 years
[02:02] <monkwitdafunk> ive always wiped the disk
[02:03] <monkwitdafunk> i cant wait until my refurbished intel atom netbook comes in with the 4 DVDs from linuxcollectionscom
[02:05] <monkwitdafunk> i cant decide between jailtool and makejail
[02:05] <monkwitdafunk> for chroot jail
[02:05] <monkwitdafunk> do i need to use vim or nano when creating a chroot jail?
[02:05] <monkwitdafunk> i cant remember if i can use badblocks -w on a folder in case i want to remove the chroot jail
[02:08] <monkwitdafunk> sarnold: im currently waiting until i move out my moms house and when i do im going to try and convince her to turn off the wifi and let me remote access my setup. i plan on giving her one computer running android-x86 so she can check her payroll
[02:09] <boblamont> how do I get rid of the box around hyperlinks in libreoffice calc?
[02:15] <semitones> I came pretty close to doing a fresh install
[02:15] <semitones> but then I wondered, "I wonder if I had do do anything weird to make this system stable back in the day...?"
[02:15] <semitones> and then I decided to upgrade instead
[02:18] <sarnold> monkwitdafunk: android-x86, hah :) I haven't heard of that in ages
[02:22] <monkwitdafunk> well she doesnt know how to use a phone or computer. just check her payroll and watch youtube
[02:23] <monkwitdafunk> she has an android but doesnt know SMS or MMS, voicemail
[02:23] <monkwitdafunk> i think her keyboard is chinese or vietnamese
[02:24] <sarnold> oh, alright, that makes more sense then
[02:25] <monkwitdafunk> yeah so if she has her non english screen keyboard, i can get her the most ergonomical mouse
[02:25] <monkwitdafunk> and finnaly i can help her use mcafee mobile security as i always tell her
[02:26] <nolsen> What is the default dns resolver for ubuntu? Long story short: Broke my dns resolver and forgot how did I disable it in the first place.
[02:26] <semitones> Uugh you all... Upgrade is proceeding. Getting low disk space warnings
[02:26] <monkwitdafunk> something ARP
[02:26] <semitones> First it was 400 MB left. Now it's 200
[02:26] <sarnold> semitones: eek
[02:26] <nolsen> (Had pi-hole on the server, had to make changes, now I don't use pihole anymore, and trying to restore it back to normal)
[02:26] <semitones> I'm just hanging tight
[02:26] <sarnold> nolsen: depends on the release; systemd-resolved for many releases
[02:26] <nolsen> So anyone know what is the default resolver for ubuntu
[02:26] <semitones> I trust do-release-upgrades!
[02:27] <sarnold> nolsen: I can't recall if that's 18.04 and up or just 20.04 and up
[02:27] <nolsen> cannot find package systemd-resolved
[02:27] <sarnold> nolsen: resolvectl may output something useful
[02:27] <nolsen> There isn't a whole lot information on resolvectl
[02:28] <nolsen> Hm, no link for my adapter
[02:29] <nolsen> There's these Link x (adapter name), but none for my br0
[02:29] <nolsen> oh nvm there is, I just need to scroll down
[02:30] <nolsen> DNS servers is correct
[02:32] <wagle> autologin seems to not work for 2004?
[02:32] <wagle> autologin seems to not work for 20.04?
[02:33] <wagle> have a remote machine running teamviewer, seriously need autologin
[02:34] <quadrathoch2> wagle if I remember correctly, there was some bug with that :/ but that was like when 20.04 was released
[02:38] <wagle> fresh install
[02:41] <wagle> apt-get upgrade got a few packages, but it still doesnt work
[02:57] <wagle> redoing install..  oh well
[03:01] <kinghat> anyone running chromium in a snap and able to get the pwa to install "normally"? im guessing it cant because of the snap
[03:04] <semitones> looks like i'm on 20.04 now!
[03:04] <Apachez> f**k me sideways - ubuntu kernel is now approx 65 MB or size... remember those days when one could get a 2.6 kernel to fit a 1.44MB floppy along with busybox and some other stuff
[03:05] <wagle> usb sticks for the win
[03:05] <wagle> 8)
[03:07] <sarnold> Apachez: I had a single floppy that booted up, mounted ntfs, and ran a tool to forcibly reset NT SAM password databases. It saved *so much time* for forgotten windows passwords it was crazy. ONE FLOPPY.
[03:07] <sarnold> heya wagle :)
[03:07] <wagle> sarnold: o/
[03:08] <sarnold> wagle: oh man :/ I haven't heard anything about autologin problems on 20.04, but it may not be particularly widely used -- does it boot far enough for you to ssh in and find logs?
[03:09] <sarnold> wagle: I'm curious if whatever is busted may not be busted with autologin specifically but with something else that blocks your teamviewer logins..
[03:10] <wagle> the owner of the box has to login with password on boot
[03:11] <sarnold> wagle: hmm; LUKS encrypted disks?
[03:11] <wagle> we are reinstalling, with me nitpicking this time
[03:11] <wagle> LUKS?
[03:12] <sarnold> LUKS provides a key wrapping format around md-crypt, some other niceities
[03:12] <wagle> it was autologging with 1804
[03:13] <sarnold> and this was just an upgrade? the reinstall came later?
[03:13] <sarnold> adding LUKS to the boot path of an existing system would be one heck of a good trick :)
[03:14] <sarnold> (someone asked how to do that in another channel a few hours ago, and I suggested reinstall; the challenge might be fun, but .. no.)
[03:15] <sarnold> alright, time to run, have fun, good luck wagle, good to see you again
[03:15] <wagle> sarnold: sorry, distracted..  cya
[03:21] <wagle> sarnold: he found an option at install time to autologin..  which he thinks he didnt do before
[03:23] <wagle> sarnold: also, apparently the apt update at the end exploded in his face
[03:24] <wagle> sarnold: I figure will see these messages someday
[03:24] <wagle> sarnold: I figure you will see these messages someday
[03:44] <duzj666> Hello, everyone
[03:44] <Conna> halo
[03:55] <Abdullah> I'm getting this error while updating. E: flAbsPath on /var/lib/dpkg/status failed - realpath (2: No such file or directory)
[04:02] <Bashing-om> Abdullah: Show the channel from this pastebin command ' LANG=C;sudo apt update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 '. The result is a URL back in the terminal, pass the link back here.
[04:04] <langlang> I have dual booted Ubuntu and Windows 10. The setup was running fine for almost like 2 years. Yesterday, the grub menu disappeared and I directly boot into Ubuntu. I can not get into BIOS/UEFI mode. I tried pressing F2/Shift/Esc keys.
[04:04] <langlang> I know boot menu is there because if I hit Enter key, it boots 10 second quicker than when I don't hit Enter key. I tried changing boot menu and moving Windows to top but I get blank screen.
[04:05] <strywgr> is it ok if my process viewer shows swap 0/0
[04:06] <Abdullah> Bashing-om: I have resolved it now. Thanks btw
[04:07] <Bashing-om> Abdullah: :D - tells us what resolved it, please.
[04:08] <strywgr> i did a clean installation and have 2gb ram on this machine but it didnt create any swap partition.
[04:09] <wagle> any ideas why autologin would not work?
[04:10] <Abdullah> Bashing-om: sure, I'll paste the history somewhere once release-upgrade process is finished
[04:11] <flyingpig> strywgr: I think it's generally recommended to have swap enabled. Seeing as you don't have that much RAM, I'd probably create and enable a swapfile.
[04:12] <Bashing-om> strywgr: New now is a swap file created rather than a partition - what shows ' swapon --summary ' ?
[04:12] <strywgr> flyingpig: yes, i read somewhere that it can help. Can you direct me to a wiki for it?
[04:18] <flyingpig> strywgr: Take a look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Swap#Swap_file_creation. The size of your swapfile will probably depend on your own needs, but there some general recommendations out there. For reference, on one of my laptops with 2GB of RAM, I have a swap partition of 6GB. IIRC, there's also a few more steps you have to take if you want to use the swapfile for hibernation.
[04:18] <strywgr> oh thanks
[04:19] <strywgr> ill create one of 6gb to thn.. since its hanging more than usual
[04:20] <Bashing-om> strywgr: What flavour did you install ? as (U)buntu needs 4 gigs minimum for a good experience.
[04:20] <strywgr> lubuntu
[04:20] <strywgr> it was the most lightweight one
[04:21] <Bashing-om> strywgr: :D
[04:21] <strywgr> is it different?
[04:21] <flyingpig> Does Lubuntu use LXQT instead of LXDE now?
[04:22] <strywgr> yes
[04:22] <Bashing-om> strywgr: lubuntu is designed to run on lower speck hardware.
[04:22] <strywgr> but freezes on max 3 tabs on firefox
[04:22] <strywgr> yes bashing-m thats why i installed this flavor
[04:24] <Bashing-om> flyingpig: Lubuntu switched to LXQt by default in 18.10.
[04:25] <flyingpig> Wow, that was a while back.
[05:27] <strywgr> what is a startup.nsg error and why im seeing it on boot? ive not changed anything it just appeard. Everytime ive to reboot ive to type 'exit' and the things go fine after that
[05:29] <flyingpig> strywgr: startup.nsg or starup.nsh? Some of the search results I'm finding mention startup.nsh.
[05:30] <strywgr> oh yes typo.. .nsh
[05:30] <strywgr> it never appeared before
[05:30] <strywgr> i managed to make a swapfile and the system is working better now not freezing as it used to be
[05:31] <flyingpig> That's cool.
[05:32] <flyingpig> I haven't heard of startup.nsh before, but web results are telling me it has to do something with UEFI. Are you booting using UEFI or legacy?
[05:32] <strywgr> yus before it used to just freeze on 3 firefox tabs
[05:33] <strywgr> flyingpig i dont know.. i didnt change anything since installation
[05:37] <flyingpig> strywgr: Is there an efi/ directory in /sys/firwmare/?
[06:27] <Peppi> hello
[06:28] <Peppi> silly question has anyone recently downloaded ubuntu from ubuntu.com and if so at what speeds were you downloading at? I'm getting 150 KB/s and am wondering if it's me or is that normal?
[06:29] <Peppi> is there perhaps a torrent for this or... what am I doing wrong here?
[06:34] <guiverc> Peppi, I've noticied it slow on occasion (cdimage.ubuntu.com), if it's too slow I tend to cancel & zsync my ISO later
[06:35] <Peppi> guiverc, what speeds you typically get?
[06:36] <guiverc> limits are usually my connected speed (little over 1mb/sec), but depends on connection used (yesterday got 2-3 times that... but also 150kb/s which I cancelled & waited..)
[06:37] <guiverc> s/connected/connection
[06:43] <Peppi> hmm I'm on 300mb... so... just wondering what the story is.
[06:43] <Peppi> anyhow I guess I'll just wait
[06:48] <quadrathoch2> guiverc seems to be an issue with your connection, downloading at 6mb/s
[06:50] <guiverc> my limit usually is my connection speed (faster was b/c I was at different location yesterday), on occasion though it's very slow which was my intent of reply to Peppi (I wait & zsync [download only differences] later)
[06:50] <wingedrhino> Why is mysql-workbench present in 19.10 but removed from 20.04?
[06:53] <guiverc> my guess is it uses python2 (now EOL) - https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/mysql-workbench
[07:20] <Peppi> guiverc, retried getting 2.5 MB/s so that will work
[07:24] <wingedrhino> guiverc: Python 2 in 2019? I thought 3.0 came in 2010? They never fixed their package?
[07:24] <wingedrhino> Wait it came at the end of 2008! Wow!
[07:27] <Kari> aloha
[07:27] <guiverc> wingedrhino, it's a mysql didn't port python2 to python3; debian & ubuntu both dropped support 2019
[07:28] <guiverc> (ie. you want to complain, complain to oracle)
[07:30] <wingedrhino> Yeah by "they" I meant MySQL AB. I think in 2008 MySQL was still an independent company.
[07:31] <guiverc> okay, I followed homepage link on what I provided and it still said oracle @ bottom
[07:32] <wingedrhino> Yeah Oracle owns it since 2010. Still, kinda weird they never ported even when they had a 12 year headstart lol. That's how long it takes for a kid to be born, grow around 5' tall, and learn their first feq Python programs....
[07:33] <wingedrhino> *few
[07:33] <wingedrhino> Right I think I'm going offtopic. Sorry!
[08:32] <Muimi> can you guys explain to me what it means when gmail security settings says "Ubuntu (ubuntu.com) has full access to your device."
[08:33] <diamondbond> did you sign in with google account during gnome setup Muimi ?
[09:02] <gokhani> hello ubuntu folks, I will consult about nvidia gpu virtualization on ubuntu. I see that redhat linux with kvm is supported but I don't see ubuntu with kvm. https://docs.nvidia.com/grid/latest/product-support-matrix/index.html . can you give me information about ubuntu kvm vgpu support with nvidia GPUs ?
[09:02] <gokhani> I want to add compute node on my openstack environment. I am using kvm hypervisor on ubuntu 18.04, so ı need to ubuntu kvm nvdia virtual gpu driver
[09:02] <Kari_> o/
[09:02] <Kari_> i have no idea on the answer to your query... i'm just saying hi. hah
[09:13] <pagios_> hi all, i have a simple tcp server , i would like to detect clients that connect to it and have lot of dropped packets  corruptions, is there a nie way of doing it ?
[09:40] <sweb> which kernel is suitable for KVM host ? linux-generic-hwe or linux-image-kvm ?
[09:50] <Sliss> After upgrading from 19.10 to 20.04 my mod_wsgi application isn't working anymore. Could this be a problem that ubuntu is using python 3.8? ldd shows mod_wsgi is using libpython3.8.so.1.0
[09:52] <Sliss> I created a new venv and reinstalled pgadmin4 in it and still it isn't working.
[09:53] <Sliss> the logfiles doe not give me any usefull errormessages that 403. I changed the owner of the venv to www-dato (Not sure if that is a good idea though)
[09:53] <Sliss> *than
[10:04] <Sliss> Maybe someone can look al my log? I think I found it, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fg2XXGqbN8/
[10:10] <Sliss> and my apache config part apache
[10:10] <Sliss> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jNmPk3hJ5f/
[10:13] <Sliss> the pgadmin python virtual environment /data/.envs/pdadmin is owned by www-data recursivly
[11:01] <pinheadmz1> hoping someone can help. running ubuntu 20 on a lenovo legion 740, there is some keyboard shortcut that disables the trackpad - ive hit it accidentaly a few times and i dont know what it is! have to plug in an external mouse to go to settings and turn the touchpad back on...
[11:02] <oerheks> pinheadmz1, seen that on my acer too, external mouse or reboot fixed that
[11:02] <oerheks> it is a hardware switch, that button.
[11:03] <pinheadmz1> oerheks: yeah :-/ this laptop has Fn keys with trackpad icons. and when i hit them a big trackpad icon pflashes on the screen, either with or with out an "X" -- but the trackpad still dead either way!
[11:04] <pinheadmz1> what i was trying to hit was cntrl+enter in a web browser, slipped and hit some neighboring keys that shut off the trackpad
[11:06] <pinheadmz1> its almost like the keys that disable the trackpad do work, but they can not re-enable it lol
[11:07] <pinheadmz1> ok how about this then - is there a command to open the settings applicaiton? maybe i can just navigate to the menu
[11:09] <ocean> pinheadmz1: I'm curious to know what would happen if you unload/reload the usbhid (kernel)module. It's just that after unloading, you'd also no longer have the option to attach external usb mouse. But in the end there's still the option to reboot
[11:10] <ocean> pinheadmz1: using sudo modprobe -r usbhid && sudo modprobe usbhid unloads, then reloads the module
[11:12] <pinheadmz1> ocean: this did not work but thanks
[11:12] <pinheadmz1> i actually was able to navigate to settings with the keyboard
[11:13] <pinheadmz1> and the trackpad is "on" - flipping the UI switch back and forth had no effect either
[11:13] <pinheadmz1> going to reboot, thanks anyway! brb
[11:44] <T3mp3st> hey
[12:09] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:18] <Kari_> o/
[12:30] <horus125> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/706620783039873054/728224480287260732/JPEG_20200702_142354.jpg
[12:31] <horus125> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/8VLzFVqp/JPEG_20200702_142354.jpg
[12:31] <horus125> I am very sorry if this is off topic but I couldn't find irc channel for popos
[12:31] <horus125> What could cause that log?
[12:32] <oerheks> sorry, pop os has its own channel?
[12:32] <oerheks> we don't know
[12:32] <horus125> on freenode?
[12:32] <mfilipe[m]> how could I change the desktop folder for another name in ubuntu?
[12:33] <oerheks> dunno, check their site?
[12:38] <horus125> there is no channel in irc, I have figured out the error though - booted the USB in BIOS instead of UEFI mode, sorry for the spam
[12:43] <Pricey> mfilipe[m]: ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[13:09] <semitones> when you ctrl-alt-f3, that is called a virtual tty, yeah?
[13:13] <oerheks> semitones, yes
[13:21] <Paddy_NI> Hello I am trying to fix an issue that I have been having with "AnyDesk" on Ubuntu. My issue is that the text is unreadable when using a dark theme, I would ideally like to be able to assign specific themes to specific apps in a white/black (not so sure this terminology is being actively used any more?) list sort of feature.
[13:22] <oerheks> Paddy_NI, theme issue, this manjaro guy gives a fix https://www.reddit.com/r/ManjaroLinux/comments/evjhlf/how_do_i_fix_this_display_issue_in_anydesk_no/
[13:23] <oerheks> not sure the fix is working in menus too
[13:25] <semitones> oerheks, the resolution on the virtual console is accurate, but it makes the font size appear really small. I'm ddging right now for solutions to make everything appear larger
[13:28] <semitones> if I added this to my boot line for example, I think it might also affect the graphical environment as well as the virtual consoles nomodeset video=VGA:1024x768@60m
[13:29] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution
[13:29] <oerheks> vbeinfo gives a list of available resolutions
[13:31] <leftyfb> semitones: https://www.tecmint.com/change-console-fonts-in-ubuntu-server/
[13:32] <semitones> I can try changing font size; just hoping it won't affect the normal terminal application in gnome or xfce or whatever
[13:32] <semitones> thanks oerheks
[13:33] <semitones> I'm reading everything
[13:33] <leftyfb> semitones: configuring console-settings has zero affect on anything in gnome or xfce
[13:33] <leftyfb> sorry, console-setup
[13:34] <semitones> ok, thanks!
[13:34] <Paddy_NI> oerheks, Oh yes I has been looking at that earlier, I was not sure how to proceed with it really as I really do not want to screw AnyDesk up it has been very essential to my ability to work lately :-)
[13:34] <Paddy_NI> Granular theme control would be a cool feature
[13:35] <semitones> leftyfb, if I change font size in control-settings, would there be anything else in the terminal that would appear too small still, because of high dpi?
[13:35] <semitones> s/control/console
[13:35] <semitones> /
[13:35] <leftyfb> semitones: there is nothing else in a terminal other than characters
[13:36] <semitones> i thought so, just making sure
[13:50] <semitones> can I restart the virtual console to test the new font after editing console-setup, or do I have to restart the system
[13:55] <leftyfb> semitones: it's an immediate change
[13:55] <semitones> maybe Fixed doesn't have 16x32
[13:55] <semitones> I guess I'll try Terminus
[13:57] <semitones> nothing is changing when I change /etc/default/console-setup
[13:57] <semitones> I would try using setfont but I don't know what the charset is
[13:58] <semitones> codeset I mean
[13:58] <leftyfb> semitones: the link I gave you doesn't mention /etc/default/console-setup at all
[13:58] <semitones> yeah, I didin't want to use dkpg because I didn't want to change something important by accident
[13:58] <semitones> I just edited console-setup directly
[13:59] <leftyfb> semitones: please just follow the instructions
[14:01] <semitones> if you look down at the bottom of the link you sent me
[14:02] <semitones> it has man console-setup and man setupcon, and that's the part I followed initially. I'll try dpkg now
[14:03] <olspookishmagus> hello, I'm running ubuntu live and I'm using it to securely wipe out data off an HDD, is there a way (a CLI command) to instruct instuct Ubuntu to shutdown and halt WITHOUT waiting for confirmation on whether the media has been removed?
[14:03] <olspookishmagus> :-1s/instuct/instruct/
[14:05] <semitones> I had to switch to terminus from fixed, but hopefully I don't get confused between 1 and l and I, etc
[14:05] <olspookishmagus> oh, console fonts
[14:05] <semitones> leftyfb, got it working, thanks!
[14:17] <semitones> I've heard that S3 sleep doesn't work on my system. gonna test it
[14:21] <MICROburst> how do I figure out why an entry in /etc/fstab is not working? Do I need extra besides nfs-common to have x-system.automount working? The same entry works on Fedora and 'mount -t nfs server:/path /mnt' is working too
[14:23] <semitones> Ok, looks like suspend is working -- right click doesn't seem to work though
[14:26] <semitones> MICROburst, i could be completely wrong, but I thought ubuntu doesn't use /etc/fstab/ as much anymore -- it tries to automount things another way
[14:27] <kyle__> paste your fstab.  pastebinit < /etc/fstab
[14:28] <kyle__> semitones: Ehh?  i use fstab all the time.  the GUI uses silly crap for removable devices, but not for real mounts.
[14:31] <semitones> fstab still works, the gui might interfere and things might get messy
[14:32] <semitones> i remember getting confused awhile back why my fstab entries were getting ignored
[14:32] <semitones> also -- looks like suspend does break things, like wifi...
[14:32] <kyle__> GUI gets out of the way when you have fstab configured.  For those devices.  At least for internal hard drives, optical and network mounts.
[14:32] <semitones> and touchscreen doesn't work. I think I have to consider an alternative kernel
[14:32] <kyle__> semitones: suspend breaking wifi is sadly hardware specific :/
[14:33] <semitones> yeah I know :/
[14:33] <kyle__> which hardware?
[14:33] <semitones> surface pro
[14:33]  * kyle__ really misses the xps developer edition from his last work.  Was WAY nicer than this macbook.
[14:33] <kyle__> Of course they let me run linux on that one....
[14:33] <kyle__> But everything worked.
[14:33] <semitones> xps surface?
[14:35] <kyle__> No, the dell xps developer edition 13"  Was a few years back.  But unless you got a crib death, those were rocksolid.  We had about half that office on those, and almost everyone put a different distro on it.
[14:38] <MICROburst> kyle,semitones: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/en/man5/systemd.mount.5.html https://pastebin.com/PBzATZCX
[14:40] <semitones> your /mnt is making me hungry :)
[14:42] <semitones> i see your problem though
[14:43] <semitones> MICROburst, i don't have any useful suggestions
[14:43] <semitones> but if you temporarily have fstab point to /mnt
[14:43] <semitones> does that work?
[14:49] <semitones> https://github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface/wiki/Installation-and-Setup
[14:49] <semitones> they have debian packages but not ubuntu
[14:49] <semitones> so therefore i need to look for someone else who has made a ppa, or compile my own kernel? :/
[14:53] <rhoks> anybody know why elementaryOS support page wants you to instal unetbootin via their ppa instead of using Ubuntu's own disk creator application?
[14:53] <rhoks> is it different? Will elementaryOS' iso not boot if I setup the flash drive using Ubuntu's disk creator?
[14:53] <leftyfb> !elementaryOS | rhoks
[14:54] <rhoks> leftyfb ?
[14:54] <MICROburst> semitones: /mnt is for MANUAL mounts.
[14:55] <leftyfb> rhoks: you'll have to seek support from ElementaryOS. This channel is only for Ubuntu support. Not derivatives
[14:55] <ppq> Hi, I have an APT question and hope somebody can help. I'd like to purge specific versions of kernel images and headers. Back in the day (before APT 1.8) I used something like    sudo apt purge linux*{33,39}*    to purge packages starting with "linux" and with one of the numbers 33 or 39 anywhere in the package name, which does not work anymore in Ubuntu 20.04 (due to APT newer than 1.8). How do you do this with the new patterns? I already figures out how to
[14:55] <ppq> do it with just one number:   sudo apt purge '~nlinux.*33.*'
[14:55] <ppq> My question is, how to achieve this with multiple numbers, without lengthy things likes sudo apt purge '~nlinux.*33.* | ~nlinux.*39.*'
[14:56] <semitones> MICROburst, just temporarily
[14:56] <semitones> since you can mount it with mount to /mnt, maybe fstab will be able to as well
[14:57] <semitones> maybe the problem is with /net/backup
[14:58] <ppq> I have already tried      sudo apt purge '~nlinux.*(33|39).*'       but that just gives me an error:   E: input:10-18: error: Expected pattern after '('
[14:58] <ppq> '~nlinux.*(?:33|39).*'    doesn't work, either:    E: input:10-10: error: Pattern must have a term/name
[14:59] <leftyfb> ppq: use apt-get just like you did before with linux*{33,39}*
[15:00] <semitones> in the old days we used apt-get. Then we were told to just use apt
[15:00] <semitones> are we back to using apt-get again?
[15:00] <leftyfb> apt isn't meant for scripting. apt-get is still around for these purposes
[15:01] <semitones> got it, thanks!
[15:01] <ppq> oh, this still works with apt-get? cool, thank you leftyfb. (I am not using this for scripting, though)
[15:04] <oerheks> yay, new firefox 78
[15:04] <ppq> Hopefully apt itself will have better regex support one day
[15:05] <slessor> firefox 78.0.1
[15:38] <stingtail> Hi
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> welcome stingtail
[15:42] <stingtail> :)
[15:43] <stingtail> I ditch windows permanently feels good to be here.
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> welcome to the ubuntu community stingtail
[15:44] <oerheks> https://snapstats.org/snaps/batufo
[15:44] <oerheks> oops
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> stingtail: feel free to chat around in #ubuntu-discuss and/or #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:45] <stingtail> Thanks @lotuspsychje
[15:57] <tfgbd_> Does anyone here use ARM64?
[15:57] <oerheks> tfgbd_, ask your real question and find out?
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> !arm | tfgbd_
[15:59] <tfgbd_> Yes, I'm on my arm64 laptop now
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> tfgbd_: #ubuntu-arm
[16:00] <tfgbd_> Apple is replacing all their Intels with ARM
[16:00] <semitones> here is a question: I can see the linux-surface kernel in /boot, yet update-grub doesn't add it. Why can this be? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TwznS38w98/
[16:00] <leftyfb> tfgbd_: do you have a support question?
[16:00] <tfgbd_> I just want to talk about my laptop.
[16:00] <tfgbd_> And warn that Intel may be going away.
[16:01] <leftyfb> !ot | tfgbd_
[16:01] <tfgbd_> Don't you care that we could lose the PC archiectures in the next few years?
[16:02] <ubuntuuser> is there a tool to encrypt against keyloggers?
[16:02] <ogra> tfgbd_, not in this channel (which is focused ofn helping users with systemic problems
[16:02] <leftyfb> ubuntuuser: try #ubuntu-security
[16:03] <leftyfb> ubuntuuser: quick answer, no
[16:05] <ubuntuuser> leftyfb, thanks
[16:05] <ubuntuuser> also #ubuntusecurity auto directs to #ubuntu-hardened
[16:06] <imi> hi can I use any vnc app to share my :0 ?
[16:06] <oerheks> correct
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> imi: be carefull with vnc, the protocol gets hammered badly
[16:08] <kyle__> There are some vnc setups that you can ssl at least, and of course apply strong passwords to.  But your safest way would be not to expose it on the public internet, and use it through an ssh tunnel
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> imi: maybe if you elaborate your endgoal a bit more, volunteers can think along with you?
[16:08] <kyle__> Or a VPN.  If you really like setting things up.
[16:08] <imi> ok then how can I share my screen (as skype is proprietary I don't want to use that)
[16:09] <Napk1n> hey out of nowhere I cant access my own server from within any computer in the same network
[16:09] <Napk1n> should I be worried about a potential hack?
[16:09] <kyle__> DHCP?
[16:10] <egy> if you resorted to using vnc, then please use the more modern X2Go: it's a blast!
[16:10] <kyle__> egy: is that the one that's an oss reimplementation of nomachine?
[16:11] <egy> ugh i don't know the details kyle__, i find the protocol pretty decent and maybe superior to window's rdp
[16:11] <leftyfb> Napk1n: is the computer off? What version of Ubuntu is the computer running? Does it have a local ip address? What troubleshooting have you done?
[16:14] <Napk1n> leftyfb 18.04, everything is on and can be access from outside the local network, I restarted the server now to see if that fixes the issue
[16:14] <leftyfb> Napk1n: rebooting is almost never a troubleshooting step with ubuntu
[16:15] <kyle__> I've heard of it, just haven't tried it yet.
[16:15] <Napk1n> yea it didnt work
[16:15] <Napk1n> i dont even know where to start
[16:16] <Napk1n> is been working fine for months and out of nowhere i cant access it from the local network
[16:16] <kyle__> Napk1n: I'd guess either a routing issue, or ufw inadvertently got installed.  or some other weird firewalling issue
[16:17] <kyle__> Could be on the switch, but that's way less likely
[16:17] <leftyfb> Napk1n: what is the local ip of the computer?
[16:17] <semitones> hmm
[16:17] <semitones> why is it that update grub can find the 4.19 kernel, but not the 5.7 kerne,.
[16:17] <leftyfb> kyle__: lets take this 1 step at a time and start from the basics
[16:18] <Napk1n> 192.168.0.69
[16:18] <Napk1n> the server is the same but 0.15
[16:18] <leftyfb> Napk1n: what server?
[16:19] <leftyfb> Napk1n: The machine having an issue, is it a desktop or server?
[16:19] <Napk1n> old desktop I turned into a server
[16:19] <leftyfb> Napk1n: Can you ping the "old desktop" from another machine on the network?
[16:19] <kyle__> what's the mask on the ips?
[16:20] <kyle__> the /## you see after the ip address when you run ip addr
[16:20] <leftyfb> kyle__: your troubleshooting step is well ahead in the troublshooting process and is debugging a very unlikely scenario
[16:20] <Napk1n> leftyfb nop
[16:20] <Napk1n> oh I think I might see the issue
[16:21] <kyle__> leftyfb: It's a very low cost thing to check, in terms of time and effort, and when it's wrong, it short circuits a huge amount of other troubleshooting
[16:22] <Napk1n> my ipv4 from my isp changed I guess but the website is stil available trhough the old ipv4 from outside the network
[16:22] <Napk1n> thats kind of weird no?
[16:22] <davido_> I noticed that my desktop system with ubuntu 20.04 has kernel version 5.4.0-40, but my laptop also running 20.04 has version 5.4.0-37. Both do an apt update / full-upgrade a few times a week.  Why would the laptop be sitting on a slightly older kernel?
[16:22] <kyle__> Broadband isp leases are long lived, but not forever.  They tend to change from time to time.
[16:24] <leftyfb> Napk1n: what does the routable public ip address from your ISP have to do with troubleshooting local ip addresses not being able to communicate with eachother?
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | davido_
[16:27] <Napk1n> leftyfb yea you are right I don't seem to be able to access the router either lol
[16:28] <semitones> can you think of reasons why update-grub would ignore some kernels in /boot?
[16:28] <kyle__> Napk1n: When you gave us your server's IP, was that the IP you remember/saved, or was the IP you get on it when you run ip addr?
[16:28] <davido_> lotuspsychje Thanks. What I'm saying is that is not pulling down -39 or -40 on my laptop.
[16:28] <leftyfb> Napk1n: you really have to be more detailed in your issues and provide context. If you want help, you also need to take this 1 step at a time
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> davido_: pastebin the output of the command above on that machine please
[16:30] <oerheks> semitones, incomplete kernel packages, how did you install the new one?
[16:30] <Napk1n> kyle_ i checked right before as well, leftyfb yea you are right ill come back when I have a better grasp of the issue
[16:30] <davido_> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/YrXGq2d6qX/
[16:30] <kyle__> Napk1n: OK.
[16:36] <tf2ftw> hi anyone here use remmina? How do you create custom key commands?
[16:37] <semitones> oerheks, I added a repository and used apt. Hmm. How can I find out what is incomplete?
[16:37] <leftyfb> tf2ftw: My quick googling doesn't show that ability in remmina
[16:39] <davido_> lotuspsychje Not sure if you saw this. If you did, sorry for double-pasting it: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/YrXGq2d6qX/
[16:39] <tf2ftw> leftyfb, thanks for googling but sending custom keystrokes is a feature.
[16:39] <tf2ftw> There's very little doc around it which is unfortunate
[16:40] <semitones> oerheks, this is what my /boot looks like: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FCwjp2wB6W/
[16:40] <ducasse> tf2ftw: there is a #remmina channel, doesn't seem busy though
[16:40] <tf2ftw> yep. i asked in there too
[16:41] <tf2ftw> thought maybe someone in here might have some info. Anywhoo thanks
[16:44] <oerheks> i have no clue about surface kernel parts?
[16:44] <semitones> alright
[16:45] <oerheks> what ppa is this?
[16:45] <semitones> looking in /boot, the surface kernels have the same things the other kernels do. One sec
[16:45] <oerheks> and what ubuntu version
[16:45] <semitones> 20.04
[16:45] <semitones> https://github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface/wiki/Package-Repositories
[16:46] <semitones> the ubuntu repo is in the debian section
[16:47] <oerheks> oh, thaat  grabs a kernel from kernel.org
[16:47] <oerheks> good luck...
[16:49] <semitones> I'm using the lts one... is it still a good luck situation?
[16:51] <oerheks> reading https://github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface/wiki/Installation-and-Setup ..
[16:51] <oerheks> i think you need to compile the kernel yourself, if you want 5.7
[16:55] <semitones> I don't want 5.7, I want to use the 4.19-lts
[16:55] <semitones> since that one has better pen support
[16:56] <leftyfb> semitones: we can only support the kernels available in the official Ubuntu repo's. No from github or kernel.org
[16:57] <semitones> this is more of an issue of supporting grub
[16:57] <semitones> I don't understand why grub is not adding the kernels -- if the kernels fail I understand that is not supported
[16:57] <leftyfb> semitones: It looks like for Ubuntu 20.04, the latest kernel is 5.4.0-40. The earliest kernel available in Ubuntu 20.04 is 5.4.0-26. Any other kernel cannot be supported here.
[16:58] <semitones> ok forget the kernels
[16:58] <leftyfb> semitones: grub will only add entries for kernels that are installed properly.
[16:59] <leftyfb> semitones: if you want to add an entry manually, there's instructions on doing so. You'll also need a proper initrd
[16:59] <semitones> I'm having trouble running update-grub; how can I up the verbosity to understand why it's not adding everything in /boot?
[17:00] <leftyfb> semitones: try strace
[17:01] <semitones> alright
[17:05] <davido_> Snap refresh wants to tell me (invalid credentials) when I'm already properly logged in.
[17:22] <davido_> After "Login successful", why would http snapd:///v2/users return JSON indicating 401 Unauthorized?
[17:22] <semitones> according to the man page of update-grub, "It works by looking in /boot for all files which start with "vmlinuz-" "
[17:22] <semitones> using strace I couldn't see any references to that
[17:22] <semitones> but that seems to be where it's going wrong
[17:24] <davido_> This paste shows the snap issue: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qXhVC9bhHV/
[17:25] <rhoks> whats the command to kill an application, I need to kill disk creator
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> davido_: shotcut snap support, contact: contact:   https://forum.shotcut.org/
[17:25] <davido_> First find the process that's running: ps fawux |grep creator
[17:25] <peter22222> hi folks... can i ask a question about nextcloud (snap) ?
[17:25] <davido_> Thanks lotuspsychje
[17:26] <peter22222>  can anybody explain the difference between /snap/nextcloud/[NUMBER] and /var/snap/nextcloud/current(as a symlink to [NUMBER])
[17:26] <rhoks> nd then davido_ ?
[17:26] <davido_> rhoks once you've found the correct pid, kill
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> peter22222: check their support: contact:   https://github.com/nextcloud/nextcloud-snap
[17:27] <davido_> Also lotuspsychje I'm not sure if you saw my earlier paste regarding apt not pulling down kernels past -37: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/YrXGq2d6qX/
[17:27] <davido_> rhoks: Check man kill for more information. Start with the least aggressive signal.
[17:29] <semitones> leftyfb, are you interested in seeing the strace? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MXh4Z3V8Hf/
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> davido_: try reverting your repos to the ubuntu default ones
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> !sources | davido_
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[17:30] <davido_> thanks, i'll give tha ta try.
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> davido_: ¨^ check if main repo is enabled
[17:34] <rhoks> how do I check the health of a disk
[17:35] <mbeierl> rhoks, I just was looking for that a month ago and used this wiki: https://www.tecmint.com/check-linux-hard-disk-bad-sectors-bad-blocks/
[17:35] <davido_> main is enabled.
[17:35] <mbeierl> rhoks, but of course, one must ask what "health" you want to check, and how destructive you want to be
[17:35] <rhoks> I think the health of the drive is ok, but I effed up and clicked on cancel right after clicking on setup new startup disk on the disk creator
[17:36] <rhoks> and it ended up freezing and continuing anyway, but then I dunno it created an unbootable hot mess rofl
[17:36] <mbeierl> rhoks, so I understand: you had removable media that you were trying to put startup onto?
[17:36] <mbeierl> and that was cancelled?
[17:37] <rhoks> now I want to format the flash drive before using disk creator again but the system won't let me format it, should I let disk creator handle it? I think it formats drives before setting them up, right?
[17:37] <mbeierl> If that is the case, the contents of the disk are probably no good, but the physical media should be fine.
[17:38] <rhoks> even Disks cannot delete the partition >o
[17:38] <mbeierl> Yes, let the disk creator handle it, and if that doesn't work, we can redo the partition table and start over
[17:38] <skyliner_369> I know there are automatic color profiles for screens in the settings, but I'm wondering if there's, like, a wizard to run through to create a proper profile, with the weird gamma-dots trick and so on
[17:39] <mbeierl> I mean you can always format the raw partition to a filesystem type, bypassing the partition table altogether if it doesn't let you delete the partition.  Then remounting it should allow for creating a new partition table
[17:59] <sarnold> wagle: ugh -- why did apt explode? :(
[18:09] <semitones> sanity check: sudo -i gedit <file> ?
[18:10] <semitones> for when you sometimes don't want to use nano
[18:10] <semitones> i'm still nervous about invoking gui programs with root privileges from terminal
[18:22] <tomreyn> semitones: gedit admin:///<file>
[18:28] <semitones> thanks
[18:28] <semitones> (too late)
[18:32] <semitones> I made this grub custom entry: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DvQn5DrXNd/
[18:32] <semitones> mostly copy pasted a ubuntu entry and just changed the vmlinz and initd parts
[18:34] <semitones> the one thing I'm not sure about is: what does insmod ext2 do?
[18:34] <zutat> it loads support for ext2 file system
[18:34] <semitones> I'm going to try booting this entry. Wish me luck!
[18:38] <semitones> the custom entry worked fine
[18:38] <semitones> it looks like I did install the new kernel entry correctly
[18:39] <semitones> update-grub is broken somehow
[18:50] <nnyby> why was this package removed from ubuntu 20? https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/bionic/hindsight
[18:52] <mason> nnyby: In hindsight, it must have been a bad idea.
[18:52] <sarnold> nnyby: if you expand the little triangle on the deleted line, you'll see the reason given https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hindsight/+publishinghistory
[18:53] <sarnold> heh, the link on the bug number goes to launchpad, not debbugs
[18:53] <sarnold> 891190
[18:53] <sarnold> ddamit firefox.. *sigh*
[18:53] <sarnold> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=891190
[18:53] <mason> Hm, looks like Debian no longer packages it. Or the links are bad.
[18:53] <mason> Or that.
[18:54] <mason> nnyby: If you want it, the upstream Git looks like it's been active this year, so the project is still alive.
[18:54] <oerheks> current version is python3 ready https://securityonline.info/hindsight/ but git only
[18:56] <sarnold> oerheks: are you sure that's the same thing?
[18:56] <nnyby> thx. i didnt realize packages could be removed due to low popcon
[18:56] <oerheks> not?
[18:57] <nnyby> maybe i should start enabling popcon on everything i use.. i always disable it >_<
[18:57] <sarnold> oerheks: this is where the debian packaging link heads to https://github.com/mozilla-services/hindsight
[18:58] <sarnold> nnyby: some debian maintainers maintain entirely too many packages for their own sanity -- sometimes they'll offer packages to other people, and if no one says they want to maintain it, ask for it to be removed; I've seen this a few times
[19:06] <Napk1n> alright im back and still just as clueless
[19:07] <Napk1n> could someone please guide me on how to troubleshoot not been able to access my server from the local network
[19:07] <Napk1n> I got no clue what I'm even looking for anymore, evrything seems like is working fine
[19:10] <HackerII> i have a question
[19:11] <HackerII> does OEM ubuntu ship with intel graphics, or, do i have to install them
[19:11] <oerheks> Intel is supported in the kernel, no additional modules needed.
[19:12] <HackerII> great, thanks
[19:12] <AMAG> I'm setting up Quagga and it appears the ubuntu 20.04 package installs it in a state where it doesn't have permission to write the PID files it needs to in /run, e.g. 2020/07/02 18:28:20 BGP: Can't create pid lock file /run/quagga/bgpd.pid (No such file or directory), exiting
[19:12] <AMAG> My sysadmin skills are a bit rusty.  I notice /run is a tmpfs.  What's the right way to create the needed /run/quagga directory and ensure appropriate ownership repeatably, so it'll survive reboots?
[19:13] <HackerII> ubuntu is killer, ive been a user since 606, well impressed, thanks.
[19:13] <sarnold> AMAG: can you file a bug report on that? I'm surprised it's happening :(
[19:13] <AMAG> Sure.  Any tips on a work-around in the meanttime?
[19:14] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanFerguson/Quagga
[19:14] <sarnold> AMAG: re: how to do it, either editing the quagga .service file, or adding a file to /etc/tmpfiles.d/ to describe how to create the directory
[19:14] <oerheks> yeah, weird packaging it seems
[19:14] <AMAG> Thanks!  tmpfiles.d is a new concept for me; I'll read up on it
[19:15] <sarnold> oerheks: wow that'sd a lot of manual symlinker
[19:16] <oerheks> or https://gist.github.com/ben-bradley/90bde0394c045b4d7f0f
[19:17] <AMAG> That gist (and the wiki) covers some basics but not the installation-specific permission problem.  I agree it is probably a bug; searching in the bug database
[19:17] <oerheks> did you check in #quagga ??
[19:28] <raidghost> Is it possible to boot ubuntu server 20.04 LTS (raspberry pi image) from a thumbdrive?
[19:29] <semitones> yes
[19:29] <semitones> i didn't know there was an rpi image
[19:30] <raidghost> since i dont have any microsd cards that seems to be 100% perfect
[19:31] <sarnold> raidghost: it'll probably work, yeah
[19:32] <leftyfb> raidghost: not unless you enable usb booting on your pi first, which requires an sd card
[19:32] <leftyfb> raidghost: more help can be found in #raspberrypi
[19:32] <sarnold> eek
[19:35] <energizer2> my wifi isn't working. `lspci` shows the wifi card.  `nmcli radio` says `WIFI enabled`.  `nmcli device wifi` returns empty.
[19:40] <energizer2> cccccclkjkkhttekirgterdjffhufbkijiirlbtiburh
[19:41] <oerheks> hello yubikey
[19:47] <coconut> oerheks, you got a securitykey?
[19:48] <oerheks> coconut, since 10.04 from the releaseparty, nl
[19:48] <oerheks> v1.4 with the leak, and coupon for 1,6
[19:48] <coconut> oerheks, was it hard to find support for it?
[19:49] <oerheks> no, yubikey and the ppa are great.
[19:49] <coconut> i see
[19:49] <oerheks> one should test this on a spare machine, but reliable.
[19:50] <coconut> oerheks, do you auto-login with it?
[19:51] <mbroeker> i need to setup a git-server for AD-20. Has anyone in this community a working config which allows pushing from AD-20?
[19:52] <oerheks> coconut, not in my current setup
[19:53] <oerheks> if you want to use it secure, use 2 yubikeys
[19:53]  * coconut considers such key, although still do not know which brand to choose
[19:54] <coconut> oerheks, which yubikey do you have?
[19:55] <ducasse> coconut: i have a yubikey 4 and one 5, use them for gpg keys that i also use for ssh
[19:56] <coconut> ok thnx ducasse :)
[19:56] <oerheks> i think neo3
[19:57] <ducasse> coconut: fairly easy to set up, and nice to be able to carry your ssh key around with you
[19:58] <oerheks> pull it out when you grab a coffee
[19:58] <oerheks> also nobody touches your solitaire record
[19:58] <coconut> lol
[20:01] <quadrathoch2> oerheks why should you use 2?
[20:05] <oerheks> quadrathoch2, well, one could backup and transfer to a new one, if lost..
[20:05] <oerheks> https://support.yubico.com/support/solutions/articles/15000010242-can-i-duplicate-or-back-up-a-yubikey-
[20:05] <oerheks> it survives a washingmachine, btw
[20:05] <quadrathoch2> ahh thanks :)
[20:10] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/yubioath-desktop
[20:11] <foist> When trying to edit files on a USB, I often (but not always) get an error message telling me it's read-only. Are there more steps to editing files on my USB besides just plugging it in?
[20:12] <Roey> hi why do I get these errors in trying to apt-get update on a 19.04 host ? https://pastebin.com/2XCyKCFK
[20:14] <semitones> this may be a long shot
[20:14] <semitones> i installed ubuntu with secure boot disabled in uefi
[20:14] <ducasse> Roey: 19.04 is eol
[20:14] <semitones> now if I re-enable it, the system boots straight to windows
[20:14] <ducasse> !eol | Roey
[20:14] <Roey> ok
[20:14] <Roey> that is what I hoped would not be the case, oh well.
[20:15] <semitones> but if I disable it again, it shows grub again. How can i re enable secure boot but still boot to grub and ubuntu?
[20:15] <Roey> now if I update my laptop, my irtualbox will stop working
[20:15] <Roey> and anything else, according to murphy's law.
[20:16] <oerheks> murphys law does not apply here
[20:17] <semitones> also cat: /sys/kernel/security/securelevel: No such file or directory
[20:17] <semitones> is that normal on ubuntu
[20:28] <quadrathoch2> semitones sounds like you would need to add the shim to secureboot, or you boot linux by legacy boot
[20:30] <Gandalf3000> Using 20.4LTS. Created .desktop file for app, made launchable, doesn't seem to work. Using same format that has always worked in other Ubuntu releases. Am I missing something?
[20:32] <foist> I can't seem to access my USB drive anymore. It gives me the message: Error mountin /dev/sda1 at /media/foist/MyDisk: can't read superblock on /dev/sda1
[20:34] <semitones> quadrathoch2: is that done from within Ubuntu?
[20:35] <quadrathoch2> semitones about which part are you talking about?
[20:35] <semitones> Adding a shim to secureboot
[20:35] <semitones> Don't know how to do that
[20:35] <quadrathoch2> semitones you would need to do that in your uefi
[20:35] <semitones> And would it affect grub?
[20:36] <quadrathoch2> no it doesn't affect grub as the shim loads grub and from there loads the kernel
[20:37] <kenwoodfox> did anything change between 16 and 20 regarding .desktop s
[20:37] <quadrathoch2> kenwoodfox nope
[20:38] <quadrathoch2> at least the basic structure
[20:38] <kenwoodfox> Gandalf3000 and i are having issues with them ;/
[20:39] <quadrathoch2> without showing the specific files, it makes no sense to answer to any of your questions, as it would mean stabbing in the dark
[20:39] <kenwoodfox> Gandalf3000: Can you gistt your file for me and describe the error again?
[20:40] <kenwoodfox> He's working on it, he's new to this
[20:42] <kenwoodfox> quadrathoch2: his machine crashed, bleh, thanks for being around tho guys
[20:45] <foist> Is there some trick I have to do to make content on a USB editable? `touch foo` gives me `Read-only file system`.
[20:47] <quadrathoch2> foist you would probably need to remount the usb stick as rw
[20:50] <ikm> hi. I have a macbook pro and linux ubuntu guest. I use the layout -> apple laptop with disposition us. all work perfect expect the pipe | ... how I can fix it ?
[20:53] <foist> quadrathoch2: is there a simple way to do that? All the stackoverflow answers recommend reading a few novels before getting started :)
[20:54] <quadrathoch2> foist sudo mount -o remount,rw /partition/identifier /mount/point
[20:54] <quadrathoch2> ikm I am not 100% sure, but there should be a mac layout under English US
[20:56] <foist> I tried that, it still gives me `touch: cannot touch 'foo': Read-only file system`
[20:57] <ikm> the pipe and bracket are not working
[20:57] <quadrathoch2> foist could you give me the full command?
[20:58] <foist> quadrathoch2: $ sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/sdb1 /media/foist/MyDisk/
[20:58] <quadrathoch2> ikm do you have a US layout keyboard? as my macbook has a different one, where also pipe doesn't work
[20:59] <quadrathoch2> what happens if you -force foist?
[21:00] <ikm> my keyboard is french (i've trying french mac layout and other) but when the bracket work square bracket don't work
[21:00] <foist> quadrathoch2: just add the -force flag in there
[21:00] <foist> ?
[21:00] <quadrathoch2> yeah
[21:00] <foist> No change, same error when I touch foo.
[21:00] <quadrathoch2> probably after rw
[21:01] <quadrathoch2> foist what does df -Th tell you?
[21:02] <foist> df: no file systems processed
[21:03] <quadrathoch2> what?
[21:04] <foist> Oh, had the case backwards. /dev/sdb1           vfat       30G  4.6G   25G  16% /media/foist/MyDisk/
[21:05] <quadrathoch2> foist did you already look at the log file what happens when you mount the usb stick?
[21:05] <foist> I did not.
[21:05] <foist> syslog or something?
[21:06] <quadrathoch2>  /var/log/messages
[21:07] <Jordan_U> foist: These symptoms likely mean that your USB drive is having hardware failure.
[21:07] <Jordan_U> foist: Please pastebin the output of "dmesg --human".
[21:08] <foist> I have to step away for a short while. Bad timing on my part. Be back soon with the same questions. THanks guys.
[21:10] <ikm> quadrathoch2: done. i have used osx keyboard in vmware fusion and alternate the key '@' and '<' and set apple laptot, french keyboard under the linux. now all work
[21:10] <leftyfb> Jordan_U: TIL --human (-H is less to type)
[21:10] <leftyfb> Jordan_U: I've been using -T, but I like how -H splits up the time better
[21:20] <foist> Jordan_U: [Jul 2 16:56] FAT-fs (sdb1): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.
[21:20] <foist> Do you need the entire output?
[21:20] <foist> [  +0.080773] FAT-fs (sdb1): error, corrupted directory (invalid entries) [  +0.000004] FAT-fs (sdb1): Filesystem has been set read-only
[21:22] <quadrathoch2> foist did you fsck and then remount?
[21:23] <foist> I'm not really familiar with those commands but I have tried to copypasta a few variations of them from SO. Is that what I should try now?
[21:24] <quadrathoch2> https://askubuntu.com/questions/147228/how-to-repair-a-corrupted-fat32-file-system#147237 that is a nice explanation
[21:25] <Napk1n> hey my server out of nowhere started refusing connections from the local network, could anyone please point me in the right direction to troubleshoot this issue?
[21:25] <quadrathoch2> Napk1n what did you already do/
[21:25] <quadrathoch2> ?
[21:26] <foist> quadrathoch2:lol I think that's one that I tried before that messed things up even worse, I had to run testdisk to fix it.
[21:26] <quadrathoch2> foist Oo, okay weird
[21:26] <Napk1n> quadrathoch2 checked dns, connections, pinged from my comp to my server, from my server to my computer, resetted everything, checked the firewall, truned off the firewall
[21:27] <Napk1n> checked ports
[21:27] <Napk1n> idk what else to do
[21:27] <foist> quadrathoch2:should I try it again?
[21:27] <quadrathoch2> try only with -a -t maybe
[21:27] <Napk1n> everything seems to "work"
[21:27] <quadrathoch2> Napk1n could you post maybe your rules in the firewall?
[21:28] <Napk1n> sure 1 sec
[21:30] <Napk1n> https://i.gyazo.com/ad20334a7896e88c7135ade44a09483d.jpg
[21:30] <Napk1n> keep in mind this rules have been there for months
[21:30] <Napk1n> and only today this started happening
[21:30] <Napk1n> server is located in a dmz in the router not sure if that's relevant
[21:31] <quadrathoch2> 3222 is ssh?
[21:31] <Napk1n> yes
[21:31] <quadrathoch2> i guess your router in 0.1?
[21:32] <Napk1n> but is not just ssh thats blocked from my network, is also the web address
[21:32] <Napk1n> yea 0.1
[21:33] <quadrathoch2> so maybe your router has an issue then, sounds like that maybe your server got a new ip? or the router 'forgot' to route traffic to the server? (especially with firmware updates maybe?)
[21:33] <quadrathoch2> Napk1n so I guess you don't ssh from the router to the server or? (just my guess xD)
[21:34] <Napk1n> well the server is in a dmz so when I ssh from my computer the IP address that it see's is the routers
[21:34] <Napk1n> let me check the routers ip real quick
[21:34] <Napk1n> I havent done that
[21:34] <foist> quadrathoch2: not entirely sure what happened there...
[21:35] <quadrathoch2> but?
[21:35] <Napk1n> yea gateway is still 192.168.0.1
[21:35] <quadrathoch2> foist ^
[21:35] <quadrathoch2> Napk1n so did you check that the settings are correct on the router?
[21:35] <foist> It started doing stuff to my main drive files, maybe I use the wrong order on -t and -a
[21:35] <foist> Going to retry...
[21:36] <Napk1n> quadrathoch2 kinda, what settings specifically ?
[21:36] <quadrathoch2> Napk1n well the routing to the server
[21:36] <Napk1n> yup is still the right ip
[21:36] <foist> /dev/sdb1           vfat       30G  4.6G   25G  16% /media/foist/MyDisk
[21:36] <foist> $ sudo dosfsck -a -t /dev/sdb1
[21:36] <foist> right?
[21:37] <quadrathoch2> foist shouldn't matter in which 'direction
[21:37] <quadrathoch2> Napk1n and the server has still the same ip?
[21:37] <Napk1n> yup
[21:37] <Napk1n> Is a static but i double checked it
[21:38] <quadrathoch2> weird
[21:38] <foist> It's going through my main drive files again....
[21:39] <quadrathoch2> foist command?
[21:39] <pymagic> can apt install dependencies from a file - preferably over https:// or git:// or ssh://?
[21:39] <foist> As above. Maybe I'm reading it wrong. Going to let it finish, it's pretty slow.
[21:39] <pymagic> or perhaps there is a tool like that?
[21:40] <quadrathoch2> pymagic what are you trying to install? apt does resolve deps, but not over packages outside of repos
[21:40] <pymagic> quadrathoch2, I've multiple projects, each are dependent on each other. Each have their own apr requirements
[21:41] <pymagic> I want to install one project, and it should be able to pull its apt dependencies from other projects
[21:41] <quadrathoch2> Napk1n which version of ubuntu?
[21:41] <Napk1n> 18.04
[21:41] <pymagic> something like pip or gem - but for ubuntu - I am not sure apt does that
[21:42] <quadrathoch2> pymagic as I said, apt only resolves deps on active repos, so you would need to create a repo with all deps, or find one.
[21:42] <Napk1n> from my "poor" prespective on the issue, seems to be the server refusing any sort of connection from my router
[21:42] <Napk1n> http/https/ssh all fail
[21:43] <pymagic> quadrathoch2, are there other package managers that can do this?
[21:43] <quadrathoch2> did you flush iptabes after disabling the firewall? just to make sure that it's empty? Napk1n
[21:43] <quadrathoch2> pymagic afaik none of the usual (dnf, zypper, apt)
[21:43] <Napk1n> I did not
[21:44] <quadrathoch2> pymagic because where should the package manager know that package is retrievable from github/randomuser/bla
[21:44] <quadrathoch2> for example ^^
[21:44] <quadrathoch2> Napk1n would probably be a try worth imho
[21:44] <Napk1n> k will do that
[21:44] <pymagic> quadrathoch2, it can be pointed to it - like pip/gem/...
[21:46] <quadrathoch2> i guess you could do that with dnf, as it would let you give http/s as a way of installing rpms. but figure every single dep out imho, that's gotta be nasty. so imho still easier to setup your own repo
[21:46] <quadrathoch2> as even dnf refuses to 'resolve' deps which are not in the repo
[21:47] <pymagic> quadrathoch2, so a ppa? launchpad?
[21:47] <quadrathoch2> that or just create your own (which is basically a webserver+some small stuff)
[21:47] <quadrathoch2> pymagic probably easier with launchpad ;)
[21:50] <oerheks> !info apt-transport-https
[21:50] <Napk1n> quadrathoch2 flushed and rebooted and nothing :(
[21:50] <Napk1n> thanks for the tip tho
[21:51] <quadrathoch2> hm
[21:51] <oerheks> https://whydoesaptnotusehttps.com/
[21:51] <quadrathoch2> oerheks apt supports apt install https://repourl/debpackage?
[21:52] <quadrathoch2> Napk1n did you already see what happens with tcpdump?
[21:52] <quadrathoch2> (firewall disabled at first probably)
[21:52] <oerheks> no, you need that package
[21:53] <Abdullah> GRE: read(fd=6,buffer=5619ef3ec4c0,len=8196) from PTY failed: status = -1 error = Input/output error, usually caused by unexpected termination of pppd, check option syntax and pppd logs
[21:53] <Abdullah> os -> 20.04
[21:53] <quadrathoch2> so? he wanted to install deb packages with them being on git or a random webserver directly with apt oerheks
[21:53] <Abdullah> CTRL: PTY read or GRE write failed (pty,gre)=(6,7)
[21:55] <foist> quadrathoch2: ok, so I ran dofsck and then remounted, and it works! now, how do I avoid this dance in the future?
[21:55] <quadrathoch2> foist remove usb stick only after being told by the OS, so unmount through gui or cli
[21:55] <foist> That's my problem? Pulling out too fast?
[21:56] <quadrathoch2> make sure that every single bit you wrote to the disk was written (for example with sync in cli)
[21:56] <quadrathoch2> yes foist (most of the time)
[21:56] <Napk1n> quadrathoch2 looks fine to the best of my ability
[21:56] <foist> Do you happen to know of a good primer on this sorta thing?
[21:56] <Napk1n> it connects perfect to outside networks
[21:56] <Napk1n> it pings fine within my network
[21:56] <quadrathoch2> Napk1n do you have some output?
[21:57] <Napk1n> sure 1 sec
[21:57] <quadrathoch2> foist ah what kind of 'primer' are you looking for?
[21:58] <foist> quadrathoch2: I don't understand disks/device management very well.
[21:58] <Napk1n> https://i.gyazo.com/5a60e60eb5035c6b1a2c8154339c3fca.jpg
[21:59] <wagle> sarnold: dunno..  he didnt send me a pic
[21:59] <quadrathoch2> Napk1n I was looking for tcpdump, not ip addr ;)
[22:00] <Napk1n> tcpdump is right above it
[22:00] <Napk1n> is that not what im supposed to get from it?
[22:01] <oft_gegong> alright. how does ubuntu work. is it magic?
[22:01] <Abdullah> tried everything to make it available but not working
[22:01] <Abdullah> GRE: read(fd=6,buffer=5619ef3ec4c0,len=8196) from PTY failed: status = -1 error = Input/output error, usually caused by unexpected termination of pppd, check option syntax and pppd logs
[22:01] <quadrathoch2> hm, I meant the server being the receiver of tcpdump (so for example tcpdump port 8080) and then on a client telnet <serverip> 8080
[22:01] <oft_gegong> Abdullah, I'm 3% sure: the filesystem is unmounted
[22:02] <Abdullah> filesystem is unmounted?
[22:02] <oft_gegong> Abdullah, 3% sure your filesystem is out of space
[22:02] <quadrathoch2> foist hm good question, the only thing I can really tell you, linux writes the data to a buffer, and then from there to the usb stick (and that's why it takes longer to write to the disk)
[22:03] <oft_gegong> Abdullah, do you have swap enabled?
[22:03] <foist> quadrathoch2: does that mean it would be impractical to store my repos on a USB and edit them from there?
[22:03] <Abdullah> oft_gegong: lemme show you
[22:04] <quadrathoch2> no, it just means to make sure that everything is synced before pulling the drive
[22:05] <oft_gegong> Abdullah, to see swap usage just go `top'
[22:05] <BuzzardBuzz> Just make sure you dont pull the drive while it is writing
[22:05] <foist> I notice that when I save changes to a USB file in vim, it takes a few seconds sometimes. Is that related to what you're talking about?
[22:06] <quadrathoch2> foist yes
[22:06] <foist> It's kinda annoying. Is there some way around that?
[22:07] <quadrathoch2> afaik, you can tell linux to write directly to disk, but I never did that, so no experience in that
[22:08] <alschaapman> Yesterday I was doing a system upgrade and APT kept trying to reinstall a variety of GRUB packages, which I had previously installed. This happened with the System Updater GTK application and with Synaptic. I had to do a apt --no-install-recommends upgrade in order to not have these unwanted packages reinstalled
[22:08] <alschaapman> How do I make that not happen?
[22:09] <alschaapman> s/installed/uninstalled/
[22:10] <Abdullah> https://bpa.st/show/ULYA oft_gegong
[22:10] <alschaapman> (I'm using systemd-boot, and I absolutely DO NOT want GRUB packages getting installed during package manager operations -- that's why I removed them!)
[22:10] <foist> quadrathoch2: thanks for the help today
[22:10] <Napk1n> quadrathoch2 ty for trying man Im gonna give up on it for the day I think
[22:10] <Abdullah>  I have no swap yeah
[22:11] <quadrathoch2> foist yw
[22:11] <quadrathoch2> Napk1n hope you can figure it out at some point
[22:11] <oft_gegong> Abdullah, well if you run out of RAM, you'll need SWAP
[22:12] <oerheks> alschaapman, normally when installed i would pin them.
[22:12] <Abdullah> oft_gegong: I have 2 GBs and only 147 mibs are used
[22:13] <oerheks> not sure what proces triggers installing grub ..
[22:13] <oft_gegong> Abdullah, I'm sorry I can't help you. *faints*. *fake dies*.
[22:13] <alschaapman> oerheks: It appears to be a consequence of the GRUB packages being recommended dependencies of the kernel package that was part of that transaction.
[22:13] <Abdullah> oft_gegong: this problem isn't even swap/memory related I think
[22:14] <Abdullah> its something about iptalbes
[22:14] <alschaapman> I'm much more comfortable with Arch's package management. If a package upgrade introduces new optional dependencies, pacman will alert the user about them, but won't install them automatically.
[22:15] <Abdullah> I'm okay with apt as well but ...
[22:16] <Abdullah> none can beat pacman though
[22:16] <alschaapman> I think Synaptic has a configuration option somewhere to turn off automatic selection of recommended dependencies, but I've got no idea how to make System Updater not misbehave. And anyway, that's not really the option I want, because it's just upgrading packages that's a problem when previously *uninstalled* recommended deps get pulled in. New package installations pulling in recommended deps is not a problem.
[22:16] <Abdullah> GRE: read(fd=6,buffer=5619ef3ec4c0,len=8196) from PTY failed: status = -1 error = Input/output error, usually caused by unexpected termination of pppd, check option syntax and pppd logs
[22:17] <alschaapman> Abdullah: pacman is indisputably the king of package managers
[22:17] <alschaapman> Or queen, if you prefer
[22:17] <Abdullah> ;-)
[22:18] <alschaapman> s/System Updater/Software Updater/
[22:19] <mihael> anyone tried freeradius and kerberos on Ubuntu here?
[22:23] <apus> hi, is there a way to identify all python- and python3- scientific packages and install them?
[22:24] <oft_gegong> apus, `apt-cache search numpy'
[22:24] <sarnold> installing a few hundred unknown packages feels like an interesting choice :)
[22:24] <oft_gegong> apus, numpy is just one of many IIRC
[22:25] <apus> oft_gegong: that is just what i am looking for it seems. thanks!
[22:25] <oft_gegong> apus, whoa really I helped? I felt like I was only 3% helping
[22:26] <apus> well i was looking for optional modules that can be used by numpy, etc. so i now have a way of doing that, if apt-cache search numpy actually identifies them all.
[22:28] <wagle> u2004 desktop with sleep turned off did something to confuse teamviewer into making it inaccessible..  I'm remote.  what happened?  8)
[22:29] <oerheks> kernel update?
[22:29] <wagle> i need 24x7 accesss to this machine on the other coast
[22:30] <lordcirth> wagle, you will want another way to access it besides teamviewer - or preferably not use TV at all.
[22:30] <wagle> oerheks: no auto-upgrade
[22:30] <oerheks> teamviewer service down?
[22:30] <oerheks> https://status.teamviewer.com/
[22:30] <lordcirth> You should have ssh set up, at least. mosh can help with lag
[22:30] <wagle> lordcirth: suggesstion?
[22:31] <wagle> lordcirth: yeah, been thinking about having the guy punch a ssh hole
[22:32] <wagle> but a lot of gui
[22:32] <lordcirth> wagle, ssh would at least let you confirm the machine is working, and possibly fix TV if it breaks.
[22:33] <lordcirth> You can do X-session forwarding over ssh, but that might be annoying at high latencies
[22:33] <alschaapman> X forwarding is satanic
[22:33] <wagle> yeah, thats why I was blaise about ssh
[22:34] <alschaapman> But seriously, TeamViewer instead of VNC? How about "nope"
[22:34] <lordcirth> wagle, are you sure you need GUI access? What do you use it for?
[22:34] <wagle> lordcirth: running firefox
[22:35] <lordcirth> wagle, why run firefox there instead of on your own machine?
[22:35] <oerheks> 24/7 firefox lolz
[22:35] <wagle> local database, etc
[22:36] <wagle> oh comeon guive me some credit instead of jumping to the conclusion that I'm confused
[22:36] <wagle> I cant type an essay in irc
[22:37] <lordcirth> wagle, why not make a VPN or ssh tunnel, and redirect your localhost:port to remote localhost:port ?
[22:37] <lordcirth> XY problems are very common here, that's all
[22:37] <wagle> lordcirth: there's an idea
[22:38] <wagle> vnc is the idea I was looking for
[22:38] <alschaapman> It's not that I doubt you have a good reason for needing to remote into that computer. I just don't think TeamViewer is a good choice
[22:39] <wagle> sure..  i've been getting that impression about teamviewer..  but I didn't install it
[22:40] <wagle> is there a recomendation for vnc server/client apps?
[22:40] <wagle> I'm currently waiting for the son of the machine owner to reboot
[22:40] <turboginger> wagle: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers
[22:40] <alschaapman> wagle: Remote Viewer is the client I use
[22:40] <alschaapman> Doesn't get any simpler
[22:41] <wagle> the machine owner is out of town a lot, hence me
[22:41] <wagle> cool
[22:41] <alschaapman> If you prefer apps that follow GNOME's design standards, there's also Remmina
[22:43] <wagle> ok, thanks all, i think I'm set now
[22:47] <wagle> oh..  need windows client for the machine owner
[22:47] <monkwitdafunk> does a VNC server need to be able to be ping?
[22:49] <quadrathoch2> wagle maybe https://alternativeto.net/software/ultra-vnc/
[22:50] <quadrathoch2> monkwitdafunk what?
[22:51] <wagle> quadrathoch2: thanks
[23:05] <oft_gegong> is it hard to learn ubuntu properly?
[23:05] <quadrathoch2> oft_gegong what do you mean by properly?
[23:05] <oft_gegong> like to use it well enough to get real work done
[23:06] <quadrathoch2> oft_gegong yeah. that should be pretty easy
[23:06] <oft_gegong> I mean I want to get real work done, but instead I'm playing awesome video games and listening to good music.
[23:08] <oft_gegong> That stuff only requires ffmpeg (to get and play music), youtube-dl (to get music), steam proton (to play windows steam games), and wine (to play windows games). Then I'm basically done with ubuntu. I go to sleep and dream, wake up, and redo.
[23:09] <wagle> annny nay's for anydesk as a vnc solution?
[23:09] <quadrathoch2> wagle i guess that's rather a question for ##windows
[23:10] <wagle> thought I'm check here too
[23:10] <wagle> i'd
[23:10] <quadrathoch2> oft_gegong it really depends on what you define as real work imho
[23:11] <oft_gegong> quadrathoch2, real work is to never give up on learning. I'm in a super comfort zone.