[00:52] <rtndog> hi. you guys have any experience with xclip/xdotool? I'm trying to avoid using the mouse as much as possible, but I want to copypaste things into command lines.
[00:52] <rtndog> thx in advance.
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[01:56] <rodia> hi
[02:47] <rtndog> im trying to get my ~/.profile file to work correctly with aliases...
[02:47] <rtndog> ...when i type the following in the shell, it works perfectly: youtube-dl $(xclip -o)...
[02:47] <rtndog> ...and when i alias it like this, it works perfectly: alias y="youtube-dl '$(xclip -o)'"...
[02:47] <rtndog> ...but when i put alias y="youtube-dl '$(xclip -o)'" into the ~/.profile file, I am forced to then type . ~/.profile, otherwise the xclip portion of it "expands" to whatever its contents were at the moment I last saved the file. which is obviously not what im trying to do...
[02:47] <rtndog> ...i want whatever is *currently* saved at this very moment within the copybuffer to be sent to youtube-dl as an argument....
[02:48] <rtndog> and im trying to save an alias to do so wihtin my profile, so i dont need to type  $alias y="youtube-dl '$(xclip -o)'"...
[02:48] <rtndog> ...because: i have MANY shells open simultaneously, whenever im using linux. especially when im simultaneously downloading many videos...
[02:48] <rtndog> ...any help pls? thx in advance! :)
[04:24] <rtndog> also...
[04:24] <rtndog> also, where is the procfs located?
[04:25] <guiverc> rtndog, the linux proc file system (procfs) is a virtual file system created at boot and exists in memory
[04:26] <rtndog> oh.
[04:26] <rtndog> so there is no analog to it within the filesystem that appears in midnight commander, or in the shell? there is no way to view it by cd-ing to it and typing ls -la?
[04:27] <rtndog> y/n?
[04:28] <guiverc> you can `cd /proc` normally (unix/linux treats heaps of things as if files, 'everything is a file' in unix theory), but being a virtual file system, it doesn't exist on disk
[04:29] <rtndog> oh ok
[04:30] <rtndog> so when im viewing my "root" file system using ls -la or withing mc or some other file browser, and I see that dir called /proc, im actually looking at a dir that does not truly exist on disk, correct?
[04:30] <rtndog> basically, the procfs is "mounted" to /proc as a mount point, correct?
[04:31] <rtndog> well, the dir *itslef* probably exists as a blank dir called /proc, but i think you understand what im asking.
[04:31] <guiverc> I would expect the /proc to exist actually (like you need to create a directory to `mount` something onto it), but it's contents are in the virtual-fs & thus contents won't exist on disk
[04:31] <rtndog> ok
[04:31] <rtndog> i get it now. thx.
[04:40] <rtndog> so now i understand that the procfs filesystem is "mounted" onto the folder called /proc, and that...
[04:40] <rtndog> ...the /mnt files are located on other partitions, CD, DVD, floppy, usb, etc. drives
[04:40] <rtndog> ...but only /mnt and /proc are special in that regard, right? or are there others?
[04:40] <rtndog> but all the other dirs that are just one step away from / are real dirs, correct?
[04:41] <rtndog> like /boot, etc.
[04:41] <rtndog> those are all real? or are some of them "unique" like /mnt and /proc?
[04:45] <guiverc> If you `stat /proc` you'll note the directory itself appears as a normal directory; it's use case makes it special.  Likewise too with /mnt.  /mnt is often not used so you can `sudo cp` files to it and it acts like a normal directory... /proc however will be used on a normal boot of your system which makes it behave different
[04:46] <guiverc> if you were to copy files to /mnt/blah/ when it wasn't in use, the files will exist on disk..  If you later mount a device called "blah" the subsequent mount will 'shadow' the contents of /mnt/blah/ and what appears from then on is the mounted drive... when you `umount` the device that was using /mnt/blah, you'll see once again the files you copied earlier in my example (if you follow me)
[04:48] <guiverc> (the shadowning of directories & their contents via `mount` can be useful and times, but also scary if you do something which causes data you put there to be shadowed & thus appears to disappear..)
[04:48] <guiverc> s/useful and times/useful at times
[07:47] <byte1> hi
[07:48] <byte1> what:'s up guys
[07:56] <rtndog> sup
[07:58] <rtndog> guiverc: oh thx
[07:58] <rtndog> guiverc: ive scared myself like that before.
[07:59] <rtndog> guiverc: especially when i first started out on linux (i started on gentoo, which does not automount anything, so therefore *I*, as a complete noob, had to do it by hand!)
[08:00] <rtndog> guiverc: needless to say, i thought that i had accidentally deleted important files.
[08:00] <rtndog> guiverc: i was praising God after I umounted
[08:00] <rtndog> guiverc: and noticed my files were still there.
[08:00] <guiverc> gentoo!   a real newbies distro lol
[08:01] <rtndog> lol
[08:01] <rtndog> well at the time i didn't know a distro from a hole in the ground.
[08:01] <rtndog> i thought "linux is linux".
[08:01] <rtndog> :p
[08:02] <rtndog> actually, there *is* a file you can change to make it automount upon boot
[08:03] <rtndog> but those settings must be put into the file by hand, and at the time I was very confused about the nature of the Linux Directory Structure (I still am, actually)
[08:04] <rtndog> in any event, aparently the file doesn't always get read at boot. perhpas it only gets read if other files don't exist or something. i dunno.
[08:04] <rtndog> it some kinda configuration file
[08:05] <rtndog> so i changed the contents, and successfuly saved the file.
[08:05] <rtndog> but it had no effect.
[08:05] <rtndog> so i ended up needing to always run mount and ntfs-3g by hand.
[08:06] <rtndog> every day, every time i booted up.
[08:06] <rtndog> very annoying.
[08:06] <rtndog> at the time, i had no idea you could script stuff.
[08:06] <rtndog> and when i first learned of the existence of "scripts" i kept referring to them as "batch files", which i still do very often.
[08:07] <rtndog> cuz batch files are a Winshit thing.
[08:07] <rtndog> I'm also a completely self-taught Winshit Power-User.
[08:08] <guiverc> I had the advantage of using unix before windows was any good (windows v1), but this isn't support released and should be in #lubuntu-offtopic
[08:08] <rtndog> I used to run a Hardened WinshitXP, but I never allow it to touch the web, despite all the Hardening steps which I always follow upon a new WinXP installation.
[08:08] <rtndog> ok.
[08:09] <rtndog> bye
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[11:49] <xwindows> hi there ..
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