[01:38] <ScotIrish> Greetings
[01:40] <Napk1n84> Is there any setting in ubuntu that would block connection to my local network somehow?
[01:40] <ScotIrish> I'm trying to do full disk encryption on Ubuntu server 18.04
[01:40] <ScotIrish> I didn't even see that as an option at install
[01:50] <quadrathoch2> Napk1n84 mostly only the firewall
[01:50] <quadrathoch2> ScotIrish it should be
[01:51] <Napk1n84> quadrathoch2 I reset the router, didnt work, switched it to tp-link archer c7 that apparently enables nat loopback, also didn't work :(
[01:52] <Napk1n84> idk what to do anymore Im about to set fire to the server xd
[01:53] <quadrathoch2> what does ss -tulpan say?
[01:53] <quadrathoch2> just to make sure that the services listen on the ports :)
[01:56] <Napk1n84> https://i.gyazo.com/02b362b695b8b100cb1551b851c71a77.png quadrathoch2
[01:56] <Napk1n84> does that look alright?
[01:57] <quadrathoch2> this is so weird, yeah looks perfectly normal
[01:59] <Napk1n84> arghhhhh
[02:03] <Napk1n84> so with server firewall disabled and the server put into a dmz, there should technically be nothing stopping me from accessing it right?
[02:04] <quadrathoch2> Napk1n84 yes
[02:27] <Napk1n> This sounds silly but could my isp be actively blocking my own ip address due to heavy traffic?
[02:27] <quadrathoch2> external, maybe? internal? nope Napk1n
[02:28] <Napk1n> like blocking outgoing connections to my own ip but without blocking incoming connections
[02:28] <Napk1n> quadrathoch2 I have never been able to access my site via local IP, like not even from the start
[02:28] <Napk1n> I even connect to ssh public ipv4
[02:29] <quadrathoch2> Napk1n that is weird, why wouldn't it be :/
[02:29] <Napk1n> idk it never worked but I also never bothered with it cause it wasnt an issue. maybe a bad configuration in the site's hostfile?
[02:31] <quadrathoch2> Napk1n, at least we know that something is really borked :/
[02:38] <_wootin_> hey
[02:38] <_wootin_> how do i change the kernel to an older one
[02:45] <newuser444467899> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/cf33e0fe86354a3df5175c17901a0fff/pasted.txt
[02:45] <newuser444467899> Please, help me
[02:49] <newuser444467899> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/0a944d868f1eaf89b76270be7de35e17/pasted.txt
[02:55] <newuser444467899> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/3a841af7949d7310caf8086e846de1d6/Screenshot%20from%202020-07-04%2006-53-15.png
[02:55] <newuser444467899> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/25d4a7d0101233a3307f2ee5e9e99966/Screenshot%20from%202020-07-04%2006-53-37.png
[03:42] <Napk1n> [UFW BLOCK] IN=eno1 OUT= MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:00:00:00:00:02:08:00 SRC=192.168.0.1 DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=36 TOS=0x00 PREC=0xC0 TTL=1 ID=0 PROTO=2
[03:42] <Napk1n> anyone knows whhy UFW is blocking this?
[03:43] <Napk1n> the SRC is my router
[04:06] <quadrathoch2> ahm I guess that dst sounds really weird :/ Napk1n
[04:39] <alloy> Hey ubuntu... I have a quick question... can someone running Ubuntu on their desktop check what the keys ctrl + alt + F2 .. F8 does?
[04:40] <alloy> so how many TTYs are there on the latest ubuntu, and what key gets back into X.. Thanks!
[04:40] <mesaboogie> ctrl+alt+f2 gets you back to X
[04:42] <mesaboogie> f3 through 6 or 7 are VC (virtual console) or VT ( Virtual terminal) or some just call it plain Console.
[04:43] <mesaboogie> f1 is you Display manager login and F2 is your original X session you are logged into.
[04:43] <mesaboogie> your*
[04:46] <alloy> thanks!  hmm seems like different distros all have different.
[04:47] <ScotIrish> mesaboogie: Great nick
[04:51] <shangul> Since libqt4-dev has been removed from new releases of Ubuntu, any PPA for installing libqt4-dev?
[04:54] <guiverc> shangul, Qt5 came out in 2012, Qt4 reached EOL in 2019 in debian/ubuntu terms.. no real development exists with it
[04:55] <shangul> guiverc, But I've got a relatively old software which needs Qt4...
[04:55] <guiverc> EOL of qt5 was announced 2015
[04:55] <shangul> What can I do now?
[04:56] <guiverc> building a snap on bionic/18.04 maybe a solution, it'll then run in later releases (within container) using qt4
[04:57] <scythefwd2> the 5.4 kernel 20.04 is shipping with..   seeing references in release notes on the kernel that it has some new amd drm driver support.. How do I verify if that is enabled or not in my kernel?
[04:57] <guiverc> alloy, the keys may do different things because of release (kernel, software stack), not just OS (ie. not just Ubuntu related)
[05:08] <xbfrog> i think i'm no longer a beginner, but please don't kick me out :)
[05:10] <scythefwd2> we're all beginners at something xbfrog
[05:12] <ViperXL75> Is there a way to tell Ubuntu/Linux to force itself to 1080p no matter what happens? I tried this "xrandr --output HDMI-2 --mode 1920x1080i -r 60.00". It works but only when Linux is starting. Is there some script to tell linux "hey! If for whatever reason you notice the resolution jumping to something else, just go back to 1080p".  ?
[05:13] <scythefwd2> I usually set dpi in my settings applications.. I assume you've already done that or that I'm doing it wrong
[05:13] <strive> ViperXL75: SOunds like a scripting project :)
[05:14] <ViperXL75> I'm not afraid of scripting.
[05:14] <newuser444467899> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/dd65ae00138cb60ae57434187bafdc6e/pasted.txt
[05:14] <ViperXL75> I just need the correct trigger to ram it into linux throat.
[05:15] <newuser444467899> Help pls
[05:15] <ViperXL75> What i mean is... if i write that script, where do i put it?
[05:16] <ViperXL75> Is there maybe some crontab trigger i can use?  So not the @reboot  trigger but some  @screen-resolution-refresh   and then "do this and that"
[05:16] <scythefwd2> just have it run all the time and do a while loop? (bad advice.. )
[05:16] <ViperXL75> the thing is if i do that, i risk seeing the TV jumping each time it re-forces the resolution to go from 1080p (which is normaly the case) to 1080p.
[05:17] <ViperXL75> Know what i mean? I need a "trigger" for it to run the script
[05:17] <ViperXL75> "wait until this/that happens" and then "run script"
[05:17] <scythefwd2> I get it.. that actually could be done with a while loop
[05:18] <scythefwd2> only when resolution isnt x.. run script, check again, continue checking every 30 seconds.. .
[05:18] <scythefwd2> but I'm sure there is a better way to do it..
[05:18] <ViperXL75> hmmm
[05:18] <ViperXL75> wait a minute! U might be onto something there.
[05:18] <scythefwd2> my way is.. really.. simplistic
[05:19] <ViperXL75> no no. I like that.  Simple stuff is predictable and breaks on a predictable matter
[05:19] <scythefwd2> I mean.. I do things something like that in windows.. but its because I'm monitoring something specific
[05:19] <ViperXL75> thanks. I'll go read on the "if/then" bash command.
[05:19] <scythefwd2> not if then.. a while loop is different
[05:20] <scythefwd2> I mean, yeah, if them will be part of it..
[05:20] <xbfrog> thank u
[05:20] <ViperXL75> a while loop that continously asks "if resolution <> 1080p then execute xrandr-set-to-1080p"
[05:22] <scythefwd2> basically.. and your while loop checks a variable .. hell if you want it always running.. make it while $x=1 and set x to 1 lol
[05:23] <scythefwd2> it'll just keep looping , put a pause or sleep or whatever  you need to keep it relatively quiet.. and use the if res <> 1080p then blah
[05:23] <ViperXL75> yep. That i can do. Or just make a crontab that executes every couple of seconds.   :)
[05:23] <scythefwd2> that way it only changes when its not.. instead of when it is
[05:23] <scythefwd2> I have no idea how to do that one lol.. I can do startup, scheduled.. but not ever set time interval (probably in man page though)
[05:24] <scythefwd2> I'm a windows guy.. I'm gonna have to relearn scripting.. powershell done spoiled me
[05:24] <scythefwd2> like.. if I wanted to install all packages that had vulkan in it.. how would I do that?
[05:31] <ViperXL75> scythefwd2: it is gonna be some cronjob. U can tell crontab to run a script ever x seconds if u want.
[05:34] <scythefwd2> I figured.. Like I said.. I have to rethink how i do things..
[05:38] <scythefwd2> I just switched.. again, from windows.  This laptop has been hell getting everything working right.  So far ubuntu has been the smoothest... so I keep looking for broken things
[05:38] <scythefwd2> mad props to Canonical on this release
[05:38] <scythefwd2> only found one thing, so far, that doesnt work
[05:42] <ViperXL75> scythefwd2: Just be happy u went to Ubuntu. About 3 years ago i went to Debian because my other coleagues were using it at work.
[05:42] <scythefwd2> ok, one that doesnt work, and one that doesnt work well..
[05:42] <scythefwd2> I've tried fedora, mint, elementary, centOS, and ubuntu.. and as recent as 18.04??? ubuntu didnt support certain necessiary hardware of mine
[05:42] <scythefwd2> like my nic
[05:43] <ViperXL75> Well... i found out that in Debian "nothing" is 'granted' to you for free. You have to WORK for it. BEG for it... cry for it... and MAYBE you'll have Debians permission to die.
[05:43] <ViperXL75> xD
[05:43] <scythefwd2> hehehe.. on this laptop.. everything has been like that
[05:44] <ViperXL75> hahahaha
[05:44] <scythefwd2> Starting about a year ago I kept trying different distros
[05:44] <scythefwd2> Elementary and Ubuntu wouldnt boot
[05:44] <scythefwd2> CentOS did, but didnt have nic drivers
[05:44] <ViperXL75> :S
[05:45] <scythefwd2> Fedora had nic drivers, but not my touchscreen.. it would let me put ONE usb device in.. if I wanted to remove and reinsert that same usb device... I had to reboot (and this included my card reader)
[05:45] <ViperXL75> 0_o
[05:45] <scythefwd2> Mint supported everything... ish, touchscreen was iffy lol.  It had random freezes, I walked into my office once and heard fans roaring.. was idling at 75 degrees
[05:46] <scythefwd2> back to ubuntu several months later lol... and so far.. it won't auto rotate screen when I fold it up ( 2 in 1) and thats no biggie, and the stylus is sluggish
[05:47] <ViperXL75> yikes
[05:47] <ViperXL75> ok
[05:47] <scythefwd2> I get same battery life, or close enough as I do on windows.. good 3d acceleration (apples to apples better than windows when it comes to OGL, cause amd sux at OGL drivers in windows), touchscreen works
[05:47] <ViperXL75> Why did u step away from Windows ?
[05:47] <ViperXL75> I know... strange question.
[05:47] <scythefwd2> actually got facial recognition unlock and pam modules working lol
[05:48] <ViperXL75> I'd just say stay in windows and run VMs for linux stuff
[05:48] <scythefwd2> I work in a mixed environment.. and I'm the token windows guy right now lol.. I wanted to learn the other stuff too
[05:48] <ViperXL75> thats how i do it on this machine
[05:48] <ViperXL75> oh i see.
[05:48] <ViperXL75> ok
[05:49] <scythefwd2> I do run vm's on my lab system.. a nice threadripper 1950x build.  The laptop I keep tabs on linux with because one day I'm gonna make the switch permanently
[05:49] <scythefwd2> but not yet.
[05:49] <scythefwd2> even got conky back up and configured .. I'm not sure i believe the cpu temp is accurate though
[05:49] <scythefwd2> its in the rough neighborhood though
[06:31] <xbfrog> all aplications has reduced the screen to one. not multiple as before, and not one laptop but 2
[06:32] <xbfrog> is this an upgrade error or a bug
[06:32] <xbfrog> ?
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> xbfrog: is your screen extended or mirrored?
[06:34] <xbfrog> um, extended
[06:35] <xbfrog> both laptops show no page buttons
[06:36] <xbfrog> seems odd that both would display the same issue
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> xbfrog: if you want both screens to act the same you need mirrored
[06:37] <xbfrog> no thats not what i mean
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> oh
[06:37] <xbfrog> 2 different computers show no page buttons on show all applications
[06:38] <xbfrog> if i click show all applications i get only
[06:38] <xbfrog> A fhru I
[06:38] <xbfrog> nothing more
[06:39] <xbfrog> it did show all in the beginning but stopped
[06:40] <xbfrog> i can search the app, and its installed and usable but doesnt show on "all applications
[06:40] <xbfrog> "
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> xbfrog: can you screenshot whats happening?
[06:40] <xbfrog> yes i can
[06:42] <xbfrog> sorry, needed a w/c break
[06:42] <xbfrog> gimme a min to pull it up
[06:45] <xbfrog> wow, i'm not sure how to find it
[06:45] <xbfrog> maybe i should just take another shot
[06:46] <xbfrog> ok bear with me
[06:47] <xbfrog> ok got it
[06:48] <xbfrog> now let me upload it to imgr
[06:50] <xbfrog> https://imgur.com/a/YMguktZ
[06:50] <xbfrog> thats all i get no page buttons
[06:50] <xbfrog> i did before but it stopped
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> xbfrog: they are not hidden behind your right placed dock? did you try place dock on the left?
[06:52] <xbfrog> no the dock is right
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> xbfrog: i can see that yea, what i mean is, does the page dots maybe hide under your dock?
[06:53] <xbfrog> um how? i dont understand
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> xbfrog: try setting your dock left
[06:53] <xbfrog> usually they were right next to the all applications
[06:53] <xbfrog> ok gimme a min
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> or dock down
[06:54] <xbfrog> ya i hear ya
[06:57] <xbfrog> ok, done, and no, it didnt change it
[06:59] <xbfrog> i know, perplexing
[07:00] <xbfrog> i noticed this change right after an update, i'm thing it was a software boo boo
[07:01] <xbfrog> odd that it would change on 2 laptops not just one
[07:02] <xbfrog> ok, if it was just one laptop shame on me, but 2?
[07:02] <ducasse> xbfrog: have you rebooted? does it happen on another account?
[07:03] <xbfrog> i have rebooted many times on both laptops and the issue is still the sam
[07:03] <xbfrog> same
[07:03] <ducasse> have you tried a different account?
[07:04] <xbfrog> different account? i dont understand
[07:04] <ducasse> create a new user, then log in as that user
[07:04] <ducasse> if the problem doesn't manifest there, it's a config issue
[07:04] <xbfrog> one account is xbfrog, the other is greenfrog
[07:05] <xbfrog> if thats what you mean by different account
[07:05] <ducasse> yes, different user names. on the same machine
[07:06] <xbfrog> no, different user names on 2 different laptops
[07:06] <tomreyn> the suggestion is to create a new account on one of the affected computers now, then log out and to log in as this new user. this new user will have a default gnome environment where this should not occur unless it's a bug in default ubuntu.
[07:07] <xbfrog> ok, not sure how to do that can you explain so a novice can understand?
[07:07] <xbfrog> i sota get ya
[07:07] <ducasse> there is a 'users and groups' gui you can use
[07:08] <xbfrog> ok like creating a guest account?
[07:08] <ducasse> yes
[07:08] <xbfrog> ok that i understand
[07:09] <xbfrog> "too many years as a win user hurts
[07:09] <xbfrog> "
[07:10] <xbfrog> ok let me do it and i'll report back, cant tell you how long i may fumble about a bit
[07:10] <xbfrog> ty for your imput it means alot
[07:12] <ducasse> just ask if you need help
[07:13] <xbfrog> ok, still searching "guest account"
[07:14] <ducasse> xbfrog: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/user-add.html.en
[07:15] <xbfrog> i seem to have nothing that refers to guest accounts
[07:15] <xbfrog> ok i'll look
[07:15] <xbfrog> oh thank you
[07:20] <xbfrog> argggggguh, passwords anoy me to the max, i cant set a simple pass
[07:20] <xbfrog> it needs more charaters, oh a symble and a special character
[07:21] <xbfrog> oh, and the blood cert of your last born child
[07:22] <xbfrog> and a capitol letter
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> xbfrog: please dont use this channel to describe every step you do
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> xbfrog: focus on 1 question, then wait till a volunteer replys on you
[07:22] <xbfrog> ok its just annoying to the max
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> we dont need to know that xbfrog
[07:23] <xbfrog> ok
[07:34] <Celmor[m]> I'm getting GPG errors on apt-get update ("InRelease: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED ...") and tried to resolve it by using "apt-key --recv--keys ..." for keys that "apt-key list" told me were expired. After receiving the keys and apt-key list not printing any more "expired" warnings I've tried apt-get update again but am still getting KEYEXPIRED
[07:37] <xbfrog> ok now i tried to add several accounts, all added then loging in refused even the simplest password
[07:41] <xbfrog> i dunno what went wrong but i added a new user b bak
[07:41] <tomreyn> xbfrog: hmm maybe you have some different keyboard layout at the time you login and at the time you created the new user (and set a password for it)
[07:43] <tomreyn> if you use a non-us keyboard then, while setting the password, try to use characters only which you know are at the same position on your localized keyboard and the US-english ones.
[07:44] <tomreyn> Celmor[m]: can you show the full output of apt-get update?   sudo apt-get update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:55] <Celmor[m]> the termbin link comes before apt-get update exits and the paste doesn't contain the error
[07:57] <xbfrog> i logged in as a different user and yes all the buttons were there
[07:58] <xbfrog> 5 to be exact
[07:59] <xbfrog> i guess the next question is what setting do i need to change to get them back here?
[08:01] <Celmor[m]> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/3nkz (I know it's an old release version)
[08:03] <xbfrog> please don't say reinstall :P
[08:05] <xbfrog> that means countless hours of configuration lost
[08:06] <rhoks> hey guys how do I uninstall and reinstall the touchpad drivers, I forgot. (I'm on 18.04)
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> xbfrog: gnome-tweaks has a 'reset to defaults' button if you like, but before you do that, make a backup of your other changes/configs
[08:07] <xbfrog> um ok, not shure how to make backup of other changes, any pointers?
[08:07] <rhoks> I think I removed libinput stuff and reinstalled them?
[08:08] <xbfrog> "still new to ubuntu
[08:08] <xbfrog> "
[08:09] <xbfrog> i can follow intstructions if you have enough
[08:10] <xbfrog> what other changes would i save, and how?
[08:11] <xbfrog>  and i have gnome tweaks installed
[08:11] <rhoks> nvm I got it. :)
[08:13] <xbfrog> if its only settings in gnome tweeks i can live with that
[08:14] <xbfrog> so i can set gnome tweaks to default and this will solve the issue?
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> xbfrog: its not a promise, its a thing you could try
[08:15] <xbfrog> ok, at this point i'm willing to try most anything offered
[08:16] <xbfrog> ok, i looked at tweaks and found no reset
[08:17] <xbfrog> nope no reset to defaults
[08:18] <xbfrog> second pass thru
[08:20] <xbfrog> Actually, you can simply open GNOME-tweak-tool (in GNOME), and click on its icon in the top panel. You should see an option that says "Reset to Defaults."F
[08:20] <xbfrog> i'll look again
[08:21] <xbfrog> ok found it in the hamburger menu
[08:22] <xbfrog> nope, still the same
[08:24] <xbfrog> anything else? we might as well exaust all options
[08:26] <xbfrog> intresting it will exist in new user but not here
[08:28] <ducasse> xbfrog: see this - https://askubuntu.com/questions/56313/how-do-i-reset-gnome-to-the-defaults
[08:29] <xbfrog> ok, looking thanks :)
[08:30] <xbfrog> wow, better than  a reinstall i guess
[08:31] <xbfrog> how do i know if i have gnome 2 or 3 i think its 3.6
[08:32] <xbfrog> 3.6.2
[08:33] <xbfrog> these instructions might as well be in geek
[08:33] <xbfrog> for f in .gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gconfd .metacity; do mv $f ${f}.bak; done or mkdir -p ~/.backup-gnome-config/ && for f in .gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gconfd .metacity; do mv $f ~/.backup-gnome-config/; done
[08:34] <xbfrog> waaah?
[08:35] <xbfrog> Shorten that last bit to mkdir ./.old-gnome-config/ && mv ./.gnome* .gconf* ./.metacity ./.cache ./.dbus ./.dmrc ./.mission-control ./.thumbnails ~/.config/dconf/* ./.old-gnome-config/
[08:35] <xbfrog> really, how?
[08:35] <xbfrog> i'm sorry, i'm not that gnome or ubuntu proficent
[08:36] <xbfrog> you might as well be speaking martian
[08:38] <ducasse> just paste it into a terminal and press enter
[08:39] <xbfrog> ya ;P
[08:40] <ducasse> then log out and log back in
[08:40] <xbfrog> from where? for f in .gnome?
[08:41] <ducasse> the bit that starts with mkdir ./.old-gnome-config/
[08:41] <xbfrog> ok thanks
[08:42] <xbfrog> ok pasting :to mkdir ./.old-gnome-config/ && mv ./.gnome* .gconf* ./.metacity ./.cache ./.dbus ./.dmrc ./.mission-control ./.thumbnails ~/.config/dconf/* ./.old-gnome-config/
[08:43] <xbfrog> old-gnome-config/: No such file or directory
[08:44] <GuiToris> hi, does anyone know why system update is super slow in virtualbox? I've been updating for over an hour. It's like it's doing nothing and every once in a while update another program
[08:45] <ducasse> xbfrog: did you start with mkdir or 'to mkdir'?
[08:45] <Mathisen> well a good guess is that you have not gived the VM enough resoucerses
[08:45] <xbfrog> i wolndt know how to start
[08:46] <xbfrog> um lemme ck
[08:46] <GuiToris> Mathisen, 2048Mb memory, 2 processor cores used to be enough
[08:46] <xbfrog> yes
[08:46] <xbfrog> let me show
[08:46] <xbfrog> mkdir ./.old-gnome-config/ && mv ./.gnome* .gconf* ./.metacity ./.cache ./.dbus ./.dmrc ./.mission-control ./.thumbnails ~/.config/dconf/* ./.old-gnome-config/
[08:46] <Mathisen> GuiToris, yeah that should work fine not sure then
[08:47] <xbfrog> did i miss something?
[08:47] <GuiToris> Mathisen, how long does an update usually long?
[08:48] <ducasse> xbfrog: no, that should work
[08:48] <xbfrog> ok cannot stat was the issuing result
[08:48] <Mathisen> GuiToris, that totaly depends on the system.. but it should not hang for minutes atleast
[08:50] <GuiToris> thank you for helping :)
[08:52] <xbfrog> still no bubbles :(
[08:54] <ducasse> xbfrog: ok, what does 'pwd' return?
[08:55] <xbfrog> in terminal? or what?
[08:55] <EriC^^> yes xbfrog
[08:55] <xbfrog> i changed to another user and the bubbles were there
[08:56] <xbfrog> but just not in my user
[08:56] <xbfrog> ok, lemme ck
[08:57] <xbfrog> pwd returnes: /home/dj
[08:57] <tomreyn> Celmor[m]: sorry, trusty (14.04 LTS) is no longer supported here
[08:57] <ducasse> xbfrog: this is the new user?
[08:58] <xbfrog> no its me
[08:58] <Celmor[m]> tomreyn: so no help for any issues?
[08:58] <ducasse> xbfrog: ok, 'mkdir ./.old-gnome-config' and press enter
[08:58] <xbfrog> ok gimme a min
[08:58] <EriC^^> xbfrog: what exactly was the 'cannot stat error' for? which dir
[08:59] <tomreyn> Celmor[m]: that's right. there's commercial support for a limited list of packages on a limited number of architectures still, but not here.
[08:59] <Celmor[m]> it's like arch linux here, having to post the pacman package versions and if everything's not up-to-date there's no help to be seen
[08:59] <Celmor[m]> /leave
[09:00] <xbfrog> mkdir: cannot create directory ‘./.old-gnome-config’: File exist
[09:00] <ducasse> xbfrog: ok, good
[09:00] <ducasse> xbfrog: now, 'mv ./.gnome* .gconf* ./.metacity ./.cache ./.dbus ./.dmrc ./.mission-control ./.thumbnails ~/.config/dconf/* ./.old-gnome-config' and press enter
[09:02] <xbfrog> ok it didnt retrune the normal stat
[09:04] <tomreyn> GuiToris: does the kernel log (journalctl -k) contain any unexpected events while this is happening, such as I/O errors or media sense events? you could ask in #vbox in case you're running a release they support (they don't support the ones in ubuntu).
[09:05] <xbfrog> just went to >
[09:05] <ducasse> xbfrog: did you paste the '?
[09:05] <tomreyn> GuiToris: that's on the host, i'm assuming you're running some ubuntu release (you haven't told us about, yet) since you're looking for assistence here.
[09:06] <xbfrog> ok lemme look
[09:06] <ducasse> xbfrog: paste everything within the quotes, but don't include them
[09:06] <xbfrog> yes i get that
[09:06] <ducasse> xbfrog: press ctrl+c to break
[09:07] <xbfrog> i dont see any ? in the stiring you provided
[09:07] <ducasse> not ?, '
[09:08] <ducasse> a single quote
[09:08] <xbfrog> ok, i'm lost, what did you want?
[09:08] <xbfrog> yes single quote
[09:08] <ducasse> everything within '...', but don't include the quotes
[09:08] <xbfrog> right
[09:09] <xbfrog> i thot you said include the ? and i didnt see one
[09:09] <ducasse> oh, right
[09:09] <xbfrog> so forgive my ignorance
[09:10] <xbfrog> i'm a slave here i know nothing, i see nothing, i hear...well almost :O
[09:11] <xbfrog> i really want to understand how to fix this
[09:12] <ducasse> ok, let me repeat it all on one line
[09:12] <xbfrog> so far it has excaped my pee brain
[09:12] <xbfrog> ok thanks
[09:13] <ducasse> mv ~/.gnome* ~/.gconf* ~/.metacity ~/.cache ~/.dbus ~/.dmrc ~/.mission-control ~/.thumbnails ~/.config/dconf/* ~/.old-gnome-config
[09:13] <ducasse> xbfrog: paste that ^^
[09:13] <xbfrog> ok sec
[09:14] <GuiToris> tomreyn, I don't use Ubuntu on the host. I was curious if that was normal to wait so long for an install/update
[09:14] <GuiToris> I'm still updating
[09:15] <xbfrog> mv ./.gnome* .gconf* ./.metacity ./.cache ./.dbus ./.dmrc ./.mission-control ./.thumbnails ~/.config/dconf/* ./.old-gnome-config'
[09:15] <xbfrog> > mv ~/.gnome* ~/.gconf* ~/.metacity ~/.cache ~/.dbus ~/.dmrc ~/.mission-control ~/.thumbnails ~/.config/dconf/* ~/.old-gnome-config
[09:15] <xbfrog> >
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:15] <ducasse> xbfrog: press ctrl+c first so you get a prompt
[09:15] <xbfrog> nothing more
[09:15] <ducasse> what does the prompt say?
[09:15] <xbfrog> i'm in terminal
[09:16] <ducasse> yes, what does it say? what's on the line you're on?
[09:16] <xbfrog> pasting gives me just what i pasted
[09:16] <ducasse> xbfrog: ok, just close the terminal and open a new one, then paste into that
[09:17] <xbfrog> .>\\
[09:17] <ducasse> xbfrog: get it all on one line
[09:17] <xbfrog>  mv ./.gnome* .gconf* ./.metacity ./.cache ./.dbus ./.dmrc ./.mission-control ./.thumbnails ~/.config/dconf/* ./.old-gnome-config'
[09:17] <xbfrog> > mv ~/.gnome* ~/.gconf* ~/.metacity ~/.cache ~/.dbus ~/.dmrc ~/.mission-control ~/.thumbnails ~/.config/dconf/* ~/.old-gnome-config
[09:17] <xbfrog> >
[09:18] <xbfrog> thats all
[09:19] <ducasse> look at what you pasted here, you added a ' at the end of the line
[09:19] <xbfrog> ok lemme look
[09:19] <ducasse> that will cause it to fail
[09:20] <ducasse> you need to press ctrl+c to get back to a prompt, or open a new terminal
[09:20] <GuiToris> tomreyn I got a new line in every other minute https://www.dropbox.com/s/zrx05cabxnup88b/Screenshot_20200704_111559.png?dl=0
[09:21] <ducasse> xbfrog: use this:
[09:21] <ducasse> mv ~/.gnome* ~/.gconf* ~/.metacity ~/.cache ~/.dbus ~/.dmrc ~/.mission-control ~/.thumbnails ~/.config/dconf/* ~/.old-gnome-config
[09:21] <xbfrog> well, since we reset things the command prompt has reverted to the default and is hard to read
[09:22] <xbfrog> let me change it
[09:24] <tomreyn> GuiToris: oh so you're using ubuntu on the guest system. ubuntu on the guest system running slow may mean there's a problem on the host system. so i'd recommend you examine this.
[09:24] <xbfrog> i'm not currently on guest
[09:25] <tomreyn> GuiToris: but you can also inspect the ubuntu (guest) systems' kernel log as i suggested. it won't show problems which are not known within the virtualization environment, though, such as hardware problems reported on the host system, or problems with the virtualization itself.
[09:26] <xbfrog> ugh, this has messed with several settings, now i need to reconfigure terminal
[09:26] <xbfrog> I CANT READ IT AS IT EXSITS
[09:27] <M_aD> no need to scream
[09:27] <tomreyn> GuiToris: if the guest system has network access, you can just run    journalctl -k | tail | nc termbin.com 9999     and then type copy and post the url here.
[09:27] <xbfrog> its just for imphesis
[09:28] <GuiToris> tomreyn, at last it finished updating. It took about 1h45minutes
[09:28] <GuiToris> I'll look into it if this behavior isn't normal at all
[09:28] <xbfrog> things are messed up i'll be ba k tomorrow
[09:28] <GuiToris> the configuring part took so long
[09:29] <tomreyn> GuiToris: it's definitely way too slow for a VM with the specifications you provided.
[09:29] <tomreyn> GuiToris: i'm not sure whether you run a graphical interface in there, though. 2 GB are not enough for an ubuntu desktop
[09:29] <tomreyn> * 2 GB RAM
[09:30] <GuiToris> install, remove and update commands are super slow but the overall performance is quite decent. It doesn't take a super long time to start a random application
[09:30] <tomreyn> actually the screenshot suggests you're running xubuntu
[09:31] <GuiToris> it's xfce, yes
[09:31] <tomreyn> check xubuntu's minimum memory requirements, and provide those.
[09:32] <GuiToris> 'To install and use 64-bit Xubuntu, you need an Intel or AMD 64-bit processor with at least 512 MB of memory. '
[09:32] <M_aD> Xubuntu should run fine on a system with 2GB RAM
[09:32] <tomreyn> https://xubuntu.org/requirements/ says 2 GB RAM recommended, so i guess you should be fine, and the problem will be on the host / virtualization
[09:32] <M_aD> 1GB or lower doesn4t cut it anymore
[09:33] <tomreyn> 512 MB for a graphical desktop seems wrong to me as well
[09:33] <GuiToris> this might be a virtualbox issue then
[09:34] <GuiToris> I only have ubuntu guests so I can't really compare them to other distros whether they are as slow as these
[09:35] <GuiToris> on the acceleration tab I have Paravirtualization Interface : hyper-v and nested paging is enabled
[09:36] <GuiToris> should I make a change here?
[09:36] <GuiToris> + PAE/NX also enabled
[09:37] <GuiToris> I have little knowledge about this stuff
[09:38] <GuiToris> I read an article about it years ago and I guess hyper-v was the best option... but I no longer know what it does
[09:42] <GuiToris> I looked it up 'This provider is recommended for Windows guests'
[09:42] <GuiToris> this may be the source of the issue
[09:43] <GuiToris> next time I'll give it a try to KVM
[09:59] <samlamamma> Hi, I ran an update and now I'm removed from the sudoers file :(, not sure what to do to remedy this.
[10:04] <samlamamma> Seems like I should've just googled harder :)
[10:27] <r15> Hi #ubuntu, i disabled ipv6 via grub on ubuntu 18.04 however when i am running a docker container, container is picking ipv6 address
[10:27] <r15> for docker too ipv6 is disabled.
[10:27] <r15> how to disable ipv6 for every daemon on ubuntu 18.04  ?
[10:28] <r15> https://paste.debian.net/1155101/
[10:30] <Sprckt> how come you want to disable ipv6?
[10:31] <r15> Sprckt:customer reqirement.
[10:35] <Sprckt> if it is just for docker, you'd need to either manually set an ipv4 ip or issue '--sysctl net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1' to the container if i recall
[10:36] <Sprckt> otherwise its editing the sysctl.conf and adding a couple lines there
[10:39] <Sprckt> there is also the --ipv6=false flag which can't be overridden on a per container basis
[10:39] <Sprckt> its daemon wide
[10:43] <samlamamma> Is /boot/efi a boot partition? Do I need to mount it if Im to run update-grub from a LiveCD to update GRUB for my HDD?
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:42] <AlecTaylor> hi
[11:43] <AlecTaylor> Ran `do-release upgrade`, typed `D` then `Ctrl+C`. Now I can't get back to it and run `Y` to install it. 19.04 to 20.04. Would running `apt dist-upgrade` suffice
[11:43] <AlecTaylor> ?
[11:52] <TheWild> hello
[11:52] <TheWild> what's the proper way to interrupt "apt upgrade"?
[11:56] <TacoCodedSalad> u cant
[11:59] <EriC^^> TheWild: i think doing 'kill <pid>'  is as gentle as it gets
[12:08] <uebera||> I have a GUI related problem with a modal dialog in Thunderbird using #Kubuntu 18.04 with four virtual desktops (something along the lines "A new update is available. [Install now] [Later]"–which only reacts once you click on one of the buttons while you're looking at the desktop the main Thunderbird window is located at while the dialog is shown on all virtual desktops.) -- where exactly should I file/search for an existing bug report (
[12:08] <uebera||> distribution, component)?
[12:46] <flying_sausages> Is there anything time-machine-like or deja-dup-like that is CLI first?
[12:46] <flying_sausages> I'd like to have something like dejadup that just makes backups on its own running on my server
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> !borg | flying_sausages maybe
[13:05] <flying_sausages> cheers lotus
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> welcome flying_sausages
[13:30] <gillzone> someone experience issues with external sound card after upgrading to 20.04? I can only here system sound in external and when changing output in control panel it still only output to HDMI
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> gillzone: is your graphics driver installed correctly?
[13:32] <gillzone> not sure i think i use the default which ubuntu provide during upgrade?
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> gillzone: can you check; sudo lshw -C video
[13:34] <mrbirkov> hi
[13:35] <gillzone> @lotuspsychje, sure https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MS2rzBT5F5/
[13:35] <mrbirkov> installed ubuntu, on an HP with installed win10 on UEFI mode. Need help on activating the Ubuntu boot in UEFI mode. now directly boot into Win10
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> gillzone: ok, that looks loaded, wich kernel version are you on please?
[13:36] <mrbirkov> can enter the Ubuntu through uefi boot setting but too complicated. Need to be able to choose win10 or ubuntu when booting
[13:37] <gillzone> Im using 5.4.0-40-generic
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> gillzone: allrighty, also looks good, please pastebin your dmesg
[13:39] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, I had the same problem with 20.04!
[13:39] <DrManhattan> I had to manually surf my way through the efi prompt in order to get booted
[13:40] <DrManhattan> once it was installed it was ok, but that was really just no fun at all, it was a straight up 2001-type boot error
[13:40] <mrbirkov> appreciate if someone can help to setting it up safely
[13:40] <DrManhattan> I was very surprised to see ubuntu roll out a brand new release with that kind of a problem
[13:40] <gillzone> @lotuspsychje here it is https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DgNbGsc3bY/, pretty large
[13:40] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, you just have to actually get booted and installed, it works properly after that
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> gillzone: tnx, reading
[13:41] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, the problem is that the install media can't boot from efi
[13:42] <mrbirkov> DrManhattan, already installed ubuntu, from my USB stick, but ubuntu not available when booting. But I can enter ubuntu with 3-4 steps away
[13:42] <mrbirkov> need to identify which boot information and a guide to add it in the default boot option (win10)
[13:43] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, oh, ok I get you, you're looking to add an Ubuntu boot option to the Windows Boot Manager - hold on, I'll find you some instructions
[13:43] <mrbirkov> got dc
[13:44] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, just to clarify, you're looking to add an Ubuntu boot option to the Windows Boot Manager?
[13:44] <mrbirkov> DrManhattan, yes.
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> gillzone: i see a few nvidia issues there afterall, and your bios might have newer updates too since 2005
[13:44] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, ok, hold on, I'll find you some instructions
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> gillzone: wich drivers do you see on: ubuntu-drivers list ?
[13:45] <mrbirkov> DrManhattan, thanks!
[13:45] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, evidently a third party tool is required in Windows :
[13:45] <DrManhattan> https://askubuntu.com/questions/62440/is-it-possible-to-boot-ubuntu-using-the-windows-bootloader
[13:45] <mrbirkov> I can see 2 , windows boot manager and windows boot loader. Win10 is in Windows boot manager, but Ubuntu in windows boot loader.
[13:46] <mrbirkov> DrManhattan, checking
[13:46] <DrManhattan> wait - something is off on that page
[13:46] <DrManhattan> you still end up using EasyBCD, but that is outdated
[13:48] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, I think I found you a way to do this in the command prompt, thankfully
[13:48] <gillzone> @lotuspsychje got the following? since 2005 thats weird I build my computer around 2014
[13:48] <gillzone> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sbgfp3nRCH/
[13:48] <mrbirkov> easybcd has detected that your machine is currently booting in EFI mode. Due to limitation set by Microsoft many of easybcd multi booting features cannot be use in EFI mode and have been disabled
[13:48] <DrManhattan> I just have to figure out how to use it to add ubuntu
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> gillzone: ok, lets try to switch to driver 440 as a test, do you knwo the procedure?
[13:49] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, yeah, looks like we're using bcdedit in the command prompt
[13:49] <mrbirkov> DrManhattan, meaning i have to use bcdedit right?
[13:49] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, https://askubuntu.com/questions/744697/i-need-to-see-the-bcdedit-for-a-windows10-ubuntu-install-both-by-wubi-and-by-sep
[13:50] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, bcdedit is built into Win10, part of the OS
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> gillzone: 2015 sorry, i was wrong: DMI: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Z97X-Gaming 3/Z97X-Gaming 3, BIOS F7 09/18/2015
[13:50] <mrbirkov> DrManhattan, yes opening it
[13:51] <egrain> das the standard ubuntu installation have some nice screenshooting tool like xfce-screenshooter? Like with an upload to imgur feature.
[13:51] <GarySmith2222> waaaoh
[13:51] <gillzone> @lotuspsychje, yes i think i know via the additional driver features?
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> gillzone: yes, try there
[13:55] <DrManhattan> I hope that works out for him and he reports back
[13:55] <TheWild> folks, wtf is this?
[13:55] <TheWild> Unattended-upgrade in progress during shutdown, please don't turn the computer.
[13:55] <TheWild> Ubuntu went the Microsoft way?
[13:56] <DrManhattan> WSL2
[13:56] <TheWild> I wasn't even asked I want to install them right now.
[13:56] <TheWild> F**k that I have to take the laptop into the bag and go to the office.
[13:56] <TheWild> I should force-shutdown the computer minute after I clicked shutdown and call it "watchdog".
[13:56] <oerheks> Thank you for feedback, why do you want to interupt it?
[13:56] <oerheks> lolz
[13:57] <oerheks> TheWild, keep your language family friendly, thanks
[13:57] <leftyfb> TheWild: feel free to uninstall the "unattended-upgrades" package
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> wb gillzone try testing sound now?
[13:58] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, how did it go?
[13:59] <mrbirkov> DrManhattan, done. but still directly go into Win10
[13:59] <GarySmith2222> wa o
[13:59] <mrbirkov> no boot options visible while booting
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> GarySmith2222: can we help you with something?
[13:59] <DrManhattan> That's odd
[13:59] <GarySmith2222> thank you,lotuspsychje
[13:59] <TheWild> "There are pending software updates. Installing them will take a couple of minutes. Do you want to install them right now?"
[13:59] <TheWild> and there would be no problem. Maybe I would even donate them for proper software design.
[13:59] <mrbirkov> yeah DrManhattan
[14:00] <gillzone> @lotuspsychje I just rebooted and tried but still gets the sound from HDMI output
[14:00] <GarySmith2222> I just want to participate in your discussion
[14:00] <GarySmith2222> :)
[14:00] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, would you mind meeting me ##windows
[14:00] <tomreyn> !discuss | TheWild: As we told you many times before :-(
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> gillzone: can you check nvidia-smi to see if 440 loaded correctly?
[14:01] <TheWild> tomreyn: okay, I'll take it to my heart
[14:01] <oerheks> TheWild,  you never looked at software&updates > updates > download and install automatically ?
[14:02] <gillzone> I think so its now showing that I'm using 440 in additional drivers
[14:02] <mrbirkov> DrManhattan, they said not supporting dual boot
[14:02] <mrbirkov> the windows
[14:02] <DrManhattan> omg
[14:02] <mrbirkov> chan
[14:02] <mrbirkov> lol
[14:02] <DrManhattan> so sorry
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> gillzone: ok, lets try something else, try to install pavucontrol and see if you get sound enabled there
[14:03] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, it DOES appear that the win10 bootloader doesn't have a default menu option like that
[14:04] <oerheks> some UEFI bios versions only show ubuntu, if you set a password on it.
[14:04] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, which, strangely, is leaving you the option to do the shift-restart and then go through the windows options to reboot into Ubuntu
[14:05] <DrManhattan> quite honestly, I just use the BIOS to choose which OS I want to boot into
[14:05] <GarySmith2222> wa o
[14:05] <mrbirkov> DrManhattan, yes. or replacing it with grub right, which I dont want to. And yes, I could do that go into BIOS to choose OS.. but it takes me 3-4 steps
[14:05] <TheWild> oerheks: nope, why I would ever *have* to look there? After I break the OS by force-shutting it down or getting late to work?
[14:06] <gillzone> lotuspsychje: yes I have installed it and when i changing something I can here system sound from external output
[14:06] <mrbirkov> DrManhattan, I thought win10 through UEFI has a menu (gui)?
[14:06] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, so did I
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> gillzone: systemsounds alone or all sounds?
[14:07] <gillzone> lotuspsychje, systemsound alone and then spotify and other sound play trough Displayport
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> gillzone: did you select the right soundcard in pavucontrol?
[14:08] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, im looking, this has to be resolvable, it's too widely used
[14:08] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, bcdedit /set {bootmgr} displaybootmenu yes
[14:09] <gillzone> lotuspsychje: after the changed of driver its seems that I have the possible to change in the playback tab, when I did that its working :)
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> aha!
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> gillzone: so the nvidia switch worked afterall
[14:10] <mrbirkov> ok trying and booting..
[14:10] <mrbirkov> DrManhattan,
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> gillzone: from your dmesg, see also your ram memory having errors, and perhaps check for bios updates too, good luck!
[14:11] <DrManhattan> gillzone, would you mind reposting the link for your dmesg pastebin?
[14:11] <gillzone> lotuspsychej: I really appreciate your time, I hope I soon can help Ubuntu community more.
[14:13] <gillzone> DrManhattam: sure, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VqnhtHmWd4/
[14:15] <DrManhattan> gillzone, [   65.508688] SGI_video_sync[6137]: segfault at e6 ip 000055851905a20d sp 00007f72a3e5a780 error 6 in Discord[558515bb9000+53ad000]
[14:15] <DrManhattan> [   65.508692] Code: 0f 46 d8 89 df e8 43 00 00 00 4c 89 f7 e8 db 01 00 00 41 8b 46 10 41 8b 4e 18 0f b6 c0 c1 e0 0c 0f b6 c9 c1 e1 14 09 c1 09 d9 <c6> 01 00 81 e3 ff 0f 00 00 c6 03 00 bf 01 00 00 00 e8 4d 59 f0 01
[14:15] <DrManhattan> Looks like your issues are with your Discord app
[14:15] <tomreyn> "mtrr_cleanup: can not find optimal value [..] please specify mtrr_gran_size/mtrr_chunk_size"
[14:16] <tomreyn> gillzone: ^
[14:16] <DrManhattan> im looking into what it says about this gran issue
[14:16] <DrManhattan> I do not recognize any of these reports with your RAM
[14:17] <DrManhattan> because it DOES look like it adjusts somehow [    0.013246] Using GB pages for direct mapping
[14:18] <DrManhattan> man that's an old issue
[14:18] <DrManhattan> gillzone, out of curiosity - how old is this computer?
[14:19] <tomreyn> gillzone: http://web.archive.org/web/20190904223631/http://my-fuzzy-logic.de/blog/index.php?/archives/41-Solving-linux-MTRR-problems.html
[14:20] <gillzone> DrManhattan: I built it end of 2015 I think so around 4-5 years old
[14:20] <DrManhattan> that's not an old PC
[14:21] <mrbirkov> DrManhattan, good news is I can see the Windows Boot manager. but cant see the ubuntu option I added.
[14:21] <mrbirkov> I meant the options in windows boot manager
[14:22] <DrManhattan> well, there SHOULD be an option in there from the bcdedit that you did before.
[14:25] <tomreyn> gillzone: in case, after reading the article above, you need help figuring out the proper values for mtrr_gran_size and mtrr_chunk_size, let me know.
[14:26] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, does Ubuntu show when you run bcdedit /enum firmware?
[14:26] <mrbirkov> yes
[14:26] <mrbirkov> it does
[14:28] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, bcdedit /copy {bootmgr} /d "Ubuntu Secure Boot" and bcdedit /set {guid} path \EFI\ubuntu\shimx64.efi should add that in there, with the {guid} being filled in with the proper guid of course
[14:29] <mrbirkov> nope. added it before
[14:29] <mrbirkov> not showing
[14:29] <DrManhattan> that is REALLY weird
[14:29] <mrbirkov> weird
[14:29] <mrbirkov> let me try again
[14:30] <DrManhattan> so if you go into system properties>startup and recovery is Ubuntu on the dropdown list?
[14:31] <mrbirkov> nope only Windows 10 available
[14:31] <mrbirkov> need to find out how to add there
[14:31] <DrManhattan> yeah then the option is not in the menu
[14:32] <DrManhattan> if bcdedit isn't working, there's a free trial of easyuefi that should do the trick
[14:33] <mrbirkov> DrManhattan, already tried that
[14:34] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, I have to be honest with you then - we have reached the limit of my capability to help with this issue. There's something going on that is causing the menu entry for your Ubuntu install not to show up
[14:35] <mrbirkov> so i have a list of boot options (displayed from the easyuefi). so I got windows bootmanager, usb uefi, ubuntu.
[14:35] <mrbirkov> I think the one I added is the ubuntu to the uefi. but not adding ubuntu option to the windows boot manager
[14:39] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, if you open msconfig>boot is there an Ubuntu entry in the menu?
[16:02] <Kristine86> I need help connecting ubuntu 20 lts to external monitor. It was working fine until I updated/restarted ubuntu.
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: wich graphics card chipset do you have?
[16:05] <Kristine86> nvidia gtx1050
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: wich driver active?
[16:06] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje how can I check?
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: nvidia-smi
[16:07] <rhoks> what packages do I have to install to get smooth playback of x265 media files?
[16:07] <oerheks> i remember something with zoom and no external monitor ?
[16:07] <Kristine86> NVIDIA-SMI has failed because it couldn't communicate with the NVIDIA driver. Make sure that the latest NVIDIA driver is installed and running.
[16:07] <Kristine86> oerheks hey yes
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: ok, pastebin sudo lshw -C video please?
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> rhoks: vlc should be able to play x265
[16:09] <rhoks> it does not, lotuspsychje.
[16:09] <oerheks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=x265 ?
[16:09] <oerheks> !info x265
[16:09] <Kristine86> https://pastebin.com/7Z6Rz5VR
[16:10] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje ^
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: yeah driver seems not loaded correctly
[16:10] <rhoks> yeah I was about to install that oerheks
[16:10] <oerheks> i think it is part of restricted extras?
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: check software&sources/tab additional drivers please to see wich drivers available for your card
[16:11] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje NVIDIA driver.... nvidia-driver-440 (proprietary, tested)
[16:12] <rhoks> so hopefully now that package should assist vlc to play x265 smoothly? or is it another app that will do it for me? oerheks
[16:12] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje that one is picked at the moment
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: ok, try a switch to 435 please
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras | rhoks try perhaps
[16:13] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje there was some error but it is proceeding with applying changes
[16:14] <oerheks> how odd, no nvidia driver .. , ubuntu will install the nvidia driver by default??
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: after switch, reboot and lets try again
[16:14] <oerheks> Kristine86, what is this, pop_os?
[16:14] <Kristine86> ok sounds good
[16:14] <Kristine86> Ubunutu new lts 20.04 I think
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: i had another user on 20.04 too had this kind of weirdness, driver installed, but doesnt get loaded somehow
[16:15] <Kristine86> it caused me lot of problem when I first installed. Hopefully I won't get stuck with blank when I restart
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | Kristine86 when blank
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: thats holding shift at boot to enter grub, and add the nomodeset line
[16:17] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje do I have to do that next when I restart?
[16:17] <rhoks> lotuspsychje, that package is already installed apparently. However I did find this, https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/h265-hevc-linux-vlc-other-players.html
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: only when you cant get in/blank screen
[16:17] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje ok thanks
[16:18] <rhoks> oerheks, what you think about that too... They recommend installing a vlc plugin from a certain PPA
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> rhoks: what happens exactly when you you try to play the x265 file?
[16:18] <oerheks> rhoks, artikle from 2017, not interested
[16:18] <rhoks> vlc's playback stutters and if its moving too fast it shows white boxes stuttering...etc lotuspsychje
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> rhoks: whats your system specs/ graphics card chipset?
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: welcome back
[16:20] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje thanks, it switched the graphics card. but xrandr still don't display the monitor
[16:20] <rhoks> how do I find that out again? lo
[16:20] <Kristine86> I mean graphics card driver
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: lets check sudo lshw -C video again please
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> rhoks: sudo lshw -C video
[16:21] <oerheks> some laptops have a FN+ monitor key.
[16:21] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje https://pastebin.com/q7t6k2ec
[16:21] <rhoks> lotuspsychje, AMD Radeon HD 8240 / R3 Series
[16:21] <oerheks> some bios versions have asetting too, internal intel/ 2nd gpu/both
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: yeah, your driver doesnt get loaded somehow..
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: could you pastebin us your dmesg please?
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> rhoks: at bottom driver= amdgpu loaded?
[16:22] <rhoks> driver=radeon
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> oh ok
[16:23] <rhoks> thats the problem?
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> rhoks: lets try: sudo apt install smplayer, try again the x265 file
[16:24] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje https://pastebin.com/cjDHP7nT
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: ah, you got secureboot enabled, this can influence your hardware
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: try booting legacy please
[16:25] <rhoks> just installed it, gonna try and open the x265 file using smplayer
[16:25] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje how to do that?
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: when you enter your bios before booting, try find secureboot and fastboot, try both disabled
[16:27] <Kristine86> ok restarting
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> rhoks: better playback?
[16:28] <rhoks> I'm afraid not lotuspsychje :(
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> rhoks: whats your cpu, ram and hd like?
[16:29] <rhoks> I tried both SMPlayer and Enqueue SMPlayer
[16:29] <rhoks> RAM is 4GB
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> rhoks: if you want full details, try sudo apt install inxi, then inxi -F
[16:29] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje I disabled secure boot, I didn't find any fast boot option
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: ok, lets see sudo lshw -C video again plz
[16:30] <rhoks> CPU MHz:  883.978      CPU max MHz:  1400.0000
[16:30] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje https://pastebin.com/LKwp0LjH
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> rhoks: pastebin the whole inxi output plz
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: yea, driver loaded now, try your external monitor now
[16:32] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje ok connected.
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> : )
[16:32] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje sorry I mean cable connected. But xrandr still don't show it and the screen is blank
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: try oerheks advice, the Fn button + F key of screen switch
[16:34] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje that combo didn't pop up menu or switch screen
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: your screen is attached from laptop hdmi to what?
[16:34] <rhoks> lotuspsychje, https://pastebin.com/vMtDgX6T
[16:35] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje laptop hdmi to hdmi port 1 of external monitor
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: could you check systemsettings/screens see if it shows up there?
[16:37] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje It used to show up in System Settings > Displays or xrandr. But right now it doesn't
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> rhoks: i think your system is a little bit low to play high end video files
[16:37] <rhoks> hmmmm, I ought to check what year the CPU was released, you know.
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: try: journalctl -f and plug out/ back in the hdmi cable to your external monitor and pastebin the output please
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> rhoks: i installed lubuntu 20.04 on a similar device like you, performed better then on 18.04, maybe consider?
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> rhoks: with some system tweaking, maybe its possible to make it a bit smoother then now
[16:40] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje I'm a bit confused. Do I let journalctl -f keep running, then plug of hdmi cable, then plugin cable. Then pastebin the console output?
[16:41] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje brb, let me know
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: yes, its a realtime logging, to see what your system does exactly, pastebin whatever that showed up new into terminal
[16:41] <rhoks> its from 2013... a bit of a shocker that a system from 2013 cannot smoothly play x265 media files, lotuspsychje
[16:42] <rhoks> what about the driver=radeon thing, should we try to change it to amdgpu as you thought it was? lotuspsychje
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> rhoks: no, ubuntu chooses the right driver module automatic
[16:42] <rhoks> I sees.
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> rhoks: can you play a 4K video on youtube?
[16:43] <rhoks> is lubuntu a separate distro from ubuntu.com?
[16:43] <rhoks> I've never tried that lotuspsychje
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> rhoks: no, its an official !flavour of ubuntu
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> !flavours | rhoks
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> rhoks: gnome performs better with 8GB ram, hence why i advice a lower flavour
[16:46] <rhoks> I hear you lotuspsychje...
[16:46] <rhoks> tbh I've been wanting a change for a while now.
[16:47] <rhoks> I need to backup all of my files and format maybe? or is there a way to change my system without copying/uploading my files elsewhere?
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> rhoks: i would start clean with a lower flavour
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> rhoks: backup your documents yeah
[16:48] <rhoks> how? where to? lotuspsychje
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> rhoks: you have an external media?
[16:50] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje https://pastebin.com/dnUzV1Br
[16:50] <rhoks> lotuspsychje, I suppose so. I guess thats a place to start. hehe :)
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: hmm not sure of that..maybe someone else can advice
[16:53] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje thanks for trying!
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> rhoks: i would pick lubuntu 20.04 with sudo apt install preload, haveged, stacer and tweak your system around a bit
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: when did your external monitor start to misbehave?
[16:54] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje I think it was the day before yesterday
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: could you pastebin your dpkg logs please?
[16:55] <oerheks> nouveau.modest=0 https://medium.com/@kathirvelk/is-linux-installation-alongside-windows-a-nightmare-in-acer-nitro-5-8f142dfda32f
[16:56] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje how do I get that?
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: /var/log/dpkg log
[16:57] <alschaapman> A couple days ago I was doing a system upgrade and APT kept trying to reinstall a variety of GRUB packages, which I had previously uninstalled. This happened with the Software Updater GTK application and with Synaptic. I had to do a apt --no-install-recommends upgrade in order to not have these unwanted packages reinstalled. How do I make that not happen? I don't use GRUB.
[16:58] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje https://pastebin.com/2Un4E8PQ
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: so you think 2 july things got messed right?
[16:59] <manu27993> Hi Guys, The internal mic on my ASUS S551LB laptop is not working. I am sure it is not a hardware problem as it used to work on the Windows installation before this. I tried 1.) alsa force-reload 2.) pavucontrol 3.) alsamixer But none of those suggestions could solve my problem. I can see there are two soundcards in my laptop through alsamixer. One says HDA Intel HDMI. Another says HDA Intel PCH. Only when I switch to PCH Card can I see the input device.
[16:59] <manu27993> This is all I know. Please help
[16:59] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje yes, around that day.
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: was there a dpkg1.log too?
[17:02] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje https://pastebin.com/CfaKLyMQ
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: ok, lets try something else, check at boot in grub, if you have previous kernels to boot once
[17:03] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje I didn't see anything installed on July 2nd. Maybe it was installed on July 1st, then things got messed after restart on July 2nd or 3rd
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: your current kernel is 5.4.0-40-generic
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: see if the list shows a lower one like -39 and select it to boot
[17:04] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje ok, how do I do that?
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: hold shift at boot==>ubuntu previous versions==>select a previous kernel
[17:05] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje ok lemme restart and try, brb
[17:07] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje ok switched. Monitor isn't working still
[17:08] <manu27993> lotuspsychje, Can you help with my problem? Or do you know anyone who can help me?
[17:11] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje maybe I have to wait till the next update
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: ok, lets try xrandr --auto
[17:12] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje I tried. Nothing happened
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: ok, boot back the same way into kernel -40 now, im out of ideas :p
[17:14] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje ok back
[17:15] <Kristine86> tried xrandr auto. Nothing happened. It's alright. I will try sometime later. Hopefully when there's new update it will be fixed
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: feel free to re-ask your question with all details in channel, perhaps someone else might know
[17:16] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje thank you :)
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: you sure you hit the right combo with the Fn key?
[17:17] <manu27993> Guys... Please help :)
[17:18] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje yes, 100%
[17:18] <alschaapman> manu27993: No
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> !behelpful | alschaapman
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: can you open nvidia-settings please, see if your prime is set to 'performance mode' ?
[17:19] <oerheks> manu27993, so what is your issue? " when I switch to PCH Card can I see the input device." ... you fixed it?
[17:20] <manu27993> alschaapman Please :-)
[17:20] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje now I see more options like profiles etc. in nvidia-settings. It's in NVIDIA on-demand
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: you should see something like PRIME or optimus
[17:21] <Kristine86> Yes, in Prime it is set in NVIDIA On-Demand
[17:21] <manu27993> oerheks No, the mic does not seem to pickup any sound.
[17:21] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje Yes, in Prime it is set in NVIDIA On-Demand
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: what other options are there?
[17:21] <Kristine86> performance mode and power saving mode
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: can you try performance mode as a test?
[17:22] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje ok restarting
[17:22] <Kristine86> brb
[17:23] <manu27993> oerheks Is there anything I can try to get it to work?
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> manu27993: did you mention ubuntu version and kernel?
[17:23] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje bravo, it worked!!!
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: jesus for real?
[17:25] <Kristine86> lotuspsychje haha yessssss! Thanks for not giving up. I wonder what made it work? Switching to nvidia-driver 435, restart, then performance mode and restart?
[17:25] <oerheks> manu27993, you have tried many things, from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure ??
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: you know about that on demand mode?
[17:25] <manu27993> lotuspsychje Ubuntu focal, linux 5.4.0-7634
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> manu27993: wich kernel is that?
[17:26] <manu27993> lotuspsychje 5.4.0-7634-generic
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> manu27993: yeah i can see that, derivative of ubuntu?
[17:27] <manu27993> pop os
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> manu27993: please seek help at the popos! support
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> manu27993: we can only support ubuntu and its flavors, i hope you understand
[17:29] <manu27993> Hmm.. OK.. I already did that.. But no one was responding to me.. I have been trying for two weeks now.. It's OK I understand..
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> manu27993: another option is, install ubuntu and come get support here
[17:30] <oerheks> they might know a fix, you need pop-ops for special hardware, right?
[17:31] <oerheks> system 76 machine
[17:31] <rjwiii> manu27993: try asking in #system76
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> yeah in that case, better stick to popos indeed
[17:31] <manu27993> I tried Ubuntu 19.04. It did not work. That is why I tried my luck with pop os.
[17:32] <rjwiii> manu27993: I have a Thelio ... What do you have?
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> Kristine86: the only logic i would think, is some update influenced optimus settings and scramble your external screen
[17:32] <manu27993> Mine is not a System76 machine. Its an Asus s551lb laptp that came with windows
[17:40] <sethkush> Is there a way to customise the Ubuntu Desktop installation so it doesn't install the GUI?
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> sethkush: can you explain a bit more of your endgoal please, what will your system serve for?
[17:42] <sethkush> lotuspsychje: I want to install a headless system, but I want to avoid Ubuntu server because it changes certain things (like replacing network-manager)
[17:42] <oerheks> sethkush, grab the server iso?
[17:43] <oerheks> or mini.iso
[17:44] <sethkush> oerheks: is there a mini iso for 20.04?
[17:44] <Jordan_U> sethkush: Debian installer based installation is deprecated for Ubuntu unfortunately.
[17:45] <Jordan_U> sethkush: Will this headless system be connecting via ethernet or WiFi?
[17:46] <sethkush> Jordan_U: ethernet
[17:47] <sethkush> I just really hate netplan, and NetworkManager works fine for me
[17:47] <oerheks> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/mini.iso.
[17:47] <sethkush> oerheks: cheers, I'll try that
[17:48] <Jordan_U> sethkush: Any reason not to use systemd-networkd?
[17:48] <alschaapman> A couple days ago I was doing a system upgrade and APT kept trying to reinstall a variety of GRUB packages, which I had previously uninstalled. This happened with the Software Updater GTK application and with Synaptic. I had to do a apt --no-install-recommends upgrade in order to not have these unwanted packages reinstalled. How do I make that not happen? I don't use GRUB.
[17:48] <alschaapman> Jordan_U: There is never any reason not to use systemd-networkd
[17:48] <Jordan_U> alschaapman: Please pastebin output demonstrating the problem you're having.
[17:49] <oerheks> Jordan_U, he is using systemd-boot for some readon
[17:49] <oerheks> c/reason
[17:49] <alschaapman> Jordan_U: I don't have terminal output. I was able to complete the system upgrade with APT, but I had to pass the --no-install-recommends flag
[17:50] <sethkush> Jordan_U: is systemd-networkd the default on either install? I just find netplan to be horrible to use
[17:52] <alschaapman> sethkush: netplan is essentially a frontend to your network manager, be it NetworkManager or systemd-networkd (not sure if any others are supported)
[17:52] <alschaapman> I believe Ubuntu server's netplan configuration defaults to networkd
[17:53] <alschaapman> But that's just been my experience on the Raspberry Pi. Can't see why it would be different on x86, but YMMV
[17:53] <alschaapman> As to my issue
[17:53] <alschaapman> https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/kernel/linux-image-5.4.0-40-generic
[17:53] <sethkush> The issue is really that in my experience netplan makes running an openvpn client a nightmare
[17:53] <sethkush> NetworkManager makes openvpn really easy
[17:54] <Jordan_U> sethkush: On all of my systems, which for the most part are upgraded from previous Ubuntu releases, I simply ignore the fact that netplan exists and configure systemd-networkd / network-manager / iwd directly and things work out fine. I'm looking now to see what the official documentation / guidance is.
[17:54] <alschaapman> Note how both GRUB and initramfs-tools are recommended dependencies of the kernel package. I'm pretty sure this is what caused them to be pulled in during the sysupgrade, which *really* pissed me off. I had previously made a point of UNINSTALLING those packages.
[17:55] <alschaapman> I use dracut and systemd-boot and I don't want these packages getting reinstalled.
[17:56] <mrbirkov> DrManhattan, deactivating the Windows Boot manager in UEFI through efibootmgr --inactive did the trick.
[17:56] <Jordan_U> alschaapman: I don't think -recommends are supposed to be installed on upgrades. I'd really like to have more detail on what actually happened.
[17:56] <alschaapman> Synaptic, I think has a configuration option to not pull in recommended dependencies, but I have no idea how to similarly configure the Software Updater GTK application. Anyway, that's not really what I want to achieve -- recommended dependencies are fine unless it's something I previously *uninstalled*.
[17:57] <alschaapman> Jordan_U: I've told you literally exactly what happened. I had uninstalled GRUB. I tried to sysupgrade using Software Updater, Synaptic, and APT. All of them tried to reinstall GRUB, until I ran APT with --no-install-recommends
[17:58] <mrbirkov> hi, I got sound device seems loaded, but no sound .
[17:58] <mrbirkov> using intel and driver is loaded
[17:58] <alschaapman> And I believe it's suggested dependencies you're thinking of, not recommended. Seems quite clear to me that APT is going to try to pull in those recommended deps by default
[17:58] <mrbirkov> tried reloading the alsa but not working
[17:58] <DrManhattan> mrbirkov, https://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/
[17:59] <mrbirkov> DrManhattan, it did the trick by removing the windows boot manager, :)
[17:59] <DrManhattan> yeah but I thought you didn't want that
[17:59] <mrbirkov> using efibootmanager
[17:59] <mrbirkov> yeah
[17:59] <mrbirkov> I  meant, its ok to use grub
[17:59] <DrManhattan> alrighty, good stuff, I didn't know that
[17:59] <mrbirkov> as long I can boot to both ubuntu and win easily
[17:59] <mrbirkov> thanks
[18:00] <mrbirkov> win definitely doesnt like us to dual boot
[18:00] <mrbirkov> to linux
[18:00] <DrManhattan> yeah, screwy
[18:01] <mrbirkov> now need to fix my sound
[18:01] <DrManhattan> soon enough we'll have full GPU acceleration for WSL and it'll all be one OS anyhow though
[18:01] <mrbirkov> one at a time
[18:01] <mrbirkov> havent tried WSL
[18:02] <sethkush> Jordan_U: oerheks: alschaapman: Thanks for the help :) I think I found the solution I want here https://www.configserverfirewall.com/ubuntu-linux/ubuntu-network-manager/
[18:04] <egy> DrManhattan: have you tried WSL 2.0 ? what do you think of it so far ?
[18:05] <mrbirkov> i tried reinstalled alsa-base and pulseaudio and also ran force-reload alsa, but still no sound, anything I can check to help debug?
[18:08] <mrbirkov> the input and output device is listed but no sound out
[18:08] <Jordan_U> alschaapman: https://www.tecmint.com/disable-lock-blacklist-package-updates-ubuntu-debian-apt/ Do be careful when you do a do-release-upgrade in the future though. Blocking packages could cause the upgrade to fail (though I wouldn't expect it to in this case).
[18:09] <alschaapman> Yeah, I would really hope that a distribution upgrade wouldn't mess about with boot loader packages...
[18:09] <alschaapman> Jordan_U: Sounds like exactly what I was looking for. Thanks very much
[18:09] <Jordan_U> alschaapman: You're welcome.
[18:10] <mrbirkov> anyone had similar issue? https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/690180
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> mrbirkov: that one shows kernel 5.4 -26 do you experience it on -40 the same?
[18:14] <mrbirkov> yeah. sound not working on my -40
[18:14] <mrbirkov> lotuspsychje,
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> mrbirkov: did you test that yet on a liveusb 20.04 or a previous kernel?
[18:20] <mrbirkov> lotuspsychje, I m not sure. but I think I got it working on the live USB when trying
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> mrbirkov: was this an upgrade from 19.10 aswell?
[18:20] <mrbirkov> lotuspsychje, nope, fresh install
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> mrbirkov: ok, then we should suspect a kernel version i presume
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> mrbirkov: try a few yourself, see if we can prove this?
[18:23] <DrManhattan> egy, it feels exactly like being on an ubuntu box without any kind of hardware acceleration.
[18:23] <egy> neat! what kind of activites have you performed on it DrManhattan ?
[18:23] <egy> it's still CLI access only, right ?
[18:23] <mrbirkov> lotuspsychje, not sure about how to solve the kernel issue. but I am trying to find something on google
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> mrbirkov: not solve yet, try booting a previous kernel first to see
[18:24] <DrManhattan> egy, from what I can tell, yes. Once I saw there was no actual GPU access, I ditched it. I look forward to that feature though
[18:24] <mrbirkov> lotuspsychje, how to boot to the previous kernel?
[18:24] <egy> aha, at least there's progress
[18:25] <egy> best of both worlds eh
[18:25] <egy> thanks for your insight!
[18:25] <DrManhattan> yeah when there's the best of both worlds I'm loving it
[18:25] <DrManhattan> no problem
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> mrbirkov: hold shift at boot to enter grub, then pick ubuntu previous kernel from the list
[18:25] <DrManhattan> imho WSL is still a rudimentary form of emulation, even though supposedly it isnt
[18:26] <mrbirkov> lotuspsychje, i think i only have 1 kernel. also device is detected properly. might it still be the kernel?
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> mrbirkov: do you mean you booted previous kernel and its working now?
[18:29] <mrbirkov> lotuspsychje, no, I am saying  I only have 1 kernel version.   Also actually the device audio seems properly loaded with the driver.  but I can not hear any sound when playing
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> mrbirkov: ok, then other options are, a liveusb, that holds another kernel version or try a !mainline kernel version as a test
[18:48] <debron> hello
[18:49] <debron> I would like to understand a bit how to organise files in linux
[18:49] <debron> for example, if i want to develop some tcp/ip application, during the development process, its okay if files are under /home/user/workspace (in example)
[18:50] <debron> but later, for production, i guess files would be under /var?
[18:51] <debron> so , thats 2 different machines anyway, but just to make that point clear. I mean, without port forwarding and not allowing traffic from firewall, its okay to have online applications under development inside a user home directory?
[18:51] <debron> and then, the best way would be to put all those files in a production installation, under /var ? and giving permissions to it only to the same user that runs the server process?
[18:52] <nnar10> hi, I have a problem with wifi connection. Often it disconnects me from the network and I need to turn it off and on again to access the internet. Sorry, if this is a wrong chat room forthis question. I am new here.
[18:53] <rfm> debron, probably your best bet is to read the filesystem hierarchy standard which explains the various directories.
[18:54] <rfm> debron, certainly nothing wrong with compiling and running (as a regular user) out of the home directory.
[18:54] <tomreyn> nnar10: hi, this is the right place if you run a supported ubuntu release (see /topic). do you know which one you run?
[18:55] <nnar10> 18.04
[18:55] <tomreyn> nnar10: okay, let's see which chipset you have there. please post the hhtp address returned by    lspci -knn | grep -EA3 '(Network|Ethernet) controller' | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:56] <tomreyn> (run this in a terminal window)
[18:56] <tomreyn> *HTTP address
[18:57] <rfm> debron, but once you move to "production" binaries would be best in /usr/local/bin, config in /usr/local/etc.  /var would be for data that's expected to grow over time
[18:58] <nnar10> https://termbin.com/8p0u
[18:58] <tomreyn> nnar10: once that's done, tell us whether you think the times it is failing may be related to anything you do
[18:58] <rfm> debron, filesystem hierarchy standard:   https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs/index.html
[18:59] <nnar10> I am just browsing internet and sometimes it just breaks the connection. The wifi icon is gone from the top bar
[18:59] <tomreyn> nnar10: ok. which kernel version do you have there?    cat /proc/version
[19:01] <nnar10> Linux version 5.3.0-62-generic (buildd@lcy01-amd64-004) (gcc version 7.5.0 (Ubuntu 7.5.0-3ubuntu1~18.04)) #56~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 24 16:17:03 UTC 2020
[19:02] <tomreyn> nnar10: okay, now let's see which computer model you have there:   journalctl -b | grep DMI:
[19:03] <nnar10> lip 03 22:33:47 mario-ThinkPad-T470p kernel: DMI: LENOVO 20J7S08Y00/20J7S08Y00, BIOS R0FET51W (1.31 ) 01/07/2020
[19:04] <nnar10> other devices connected to wifi work correctly
[19:04] <tomreyn> nnar10: even if it's a different computer, this is probably bug 1808389
[19:05] <tomreyn> you have the wireless chipset identified by this ID (you can search the bug report for it, too): 24fd
[19:05] <debron> rfm so home directory only for writting the code?
[19:06] <tomreyn> nnar10: so that's an "Intel Corporation Wireless 8265 / 8275 [8086:24fd]", driver is "iwlwifi"
[19:06] <debron> and then move it out to home, compile there, and execute there ?
[19:06] <debron> its a bit painfull... does everyone does it like that?
[19:06] <debron> i also tried coding directly outside home, but i have to open my editors with sudo powers
[19:06] <debron> it might be nothing wrong with that... but its unconfortable
[19:07] <debron> and maybe its wrong too
[19:07] <tomreyn> nnar10: hmm, maybe i'm wrong, this one should already be fixed if you update regularly?
[19:08] <debron> wait rfm, i didnt readed all ur replies, sorry, now i see them all, give me a minute
[19:08] <tomreyn> nnar10: ideally, this should not have any pending updates:    sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[19:08] <nnar10> tank you, I run updates once a week. I will try to check the updates and install them if there are any and I hope the error is gone
[19:09] <tomreyn> !LTSE | nnar10: this is something else you can try
[19:09] <debron> rfm thanks you very much for all that info! I will study the FS hierarchy, thanks!
[19:10] <tomreyn> debron: note also there is #ubuntu-app-devel for software development on ubuntu (whereas this channel is primarily about ubuntu support (from a user perspective))
[19:12] <tomreyn> it would probably also help you get better orientation to read a guide on developing using your favourite programming / scripting language for the linux platform.
[19:12] <tomreyn> (or specifically ubuntu / debian)
[19:13] <debron> im learning now react
[19:13] <debron> okay, thanks , ill join there
[19:13] <debron> not so populated hehe
[19:16] <nnar10> LTSEnablementStack - I would like to stick to the well tested kernel to avoid any other suprises. I will check this option if update does not work.
[19:18] <nnar10> BTW, how to check the version where https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1808389 was fixed? There is an "Affedts" table, and some items are marked as "Fix released"
[19:22] <mrbirkov> is touchscreen working in latest ubuntu?
[19:25] <nnar10> thanks guys, I will check how it works after the update.  see you
[19:25] <tomreyn> nnar10: hmm actually you'Re on kernel 5.3.0-62-generic #56~18.04.1-Ubuntu, that is you're already running the LTSE kernel
[19:30] <tomreyn> mrbirkov: Since this seems to be a general question, I'll give a general answer: There are touchscreens which work on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS out of the box, yes.
[19:30] <mrbirkov> i have an HP pavilion and touchscreen not working by default
[19:31] <tomreyn> so you actually didn't want to ask a generic question, i guess
[19:31] <tomreyn> journalctl -b | grep DMI:     provides your laptop model
[19:32] <tomreyn> if your touchscreen is supported, then     less /proc/bus/input/devices    should list it
[19:36] <mrbirkov> tomreyn, in the live usb its working, but its not detected in the ubuntu after installed
[19:37] <tomreyn> mrbirkov: which ubuntu release? is it full yupdated? which lkernel version?
[19:37] <mrbirkov> no touchscreen seems detected in the /proc/bus/input/devices . do I need to load the driver manually?
[19:38] <mrbirkov> yes updated.5.4.0-40-generic #44-Ubuntu
[19:38] <Jordan_U> mrbirkov: Have you done anything, like installing proprietary drivers, since installing?
[19:38] <tomreyn> so this could be ubuntu 20.04 LTS, for example
[19:39] <mrbirkov> Jordan_U, no i didnt
[19:39] <Jordan_U> mrbirkov: Which HP Pavilion do you have specifically?
[19:39] <tomreyn> lsb_release -ds     returns you ubuntu release (and how to get the model number i already explained)
[19:40] <mrbirkov> Jordan_U,  HP Pavilion Laptop 13-an1xxx
[19:40] <mrbirkov> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
[19:41] <tomreyn> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchscreen has some trouble shooting hints (some of which are arch linux specific, of course)
[19:42] <tomreyn> but most of them are generic
[19:43] <mrbirkov> device not dtected
[19:44] <tomreyn> there are multiple hardware versions of the pavillion 13-an1xxx from what i can see. the DMI: line could possibly help.
[19:46] <nnar10> is it worth updating from 18.04 -> 20.04? and safe? This is my work laptop so I do not want to configure/install everything from scratch if update fails
[19:46] <tomreyn> nnar10: this upgrade path will be supported some time after the ubuntu 20.04.1 release
[19:48] <dariball> Heyall, seems I don't find the sources for the ubuntu appliances like this one: https://ubuntu.com/appliance/plex ... can someone point me there ?
[19:49] <tomreyn> dariball: those are Ubuntu Core based, a different product than Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Server (which we support here)
[19:50] <tomreyn> dariball: i guess you could use the discourse link on the bottom of this page to request support.
[19:50] <dariball> tomreyn: oops, sorry... wasn't aware thx
[19:51] <tomreyn> you're welcome!
[20:11] <Synx_hm> Anybody smart on vscode server, im trying to install a newer version of an extension that is not in the online repo, i have the github page but i dont see anything about a VSIX file here, https://github.com/foambubble/foam-vscode
[20:20] <Synx_hm> nm, i am le dumb
[21:57] <pyraindrop> once i switch to xfce, is there a login switch - so that one can toggle that to login into xfce or gnome?
[21:57] <pyraindrop> 20.04lts question
[21:57] <scythefwd2> I believe its down on the bottom right..
[21:57] <oerheks> yes, logout, then you should see some button
[21:57] <oerheks> sometimes the option appears when you select the user first ( gnome3)
[21:58] <oerheks> btw i would reinstall for a true xubuntu experience.
[21:59] <rhoks> !unetbootin
[22:11] <etronik> highfiv3r, anyone enjoying EVE-Online in Ubuntu ? I never could get it to work since 16.04 and even now on 18.04
[22:12] <etronik> highfiv3r, anyone enjoying EVE-Online in Ubuntu ? I never could get it to work since 16.04 and even now on 18.04
[22:32] <scythefwd2> any hardware guru's in here.. specifically related to laptop wifi nics?
[22:33] <jeremy31> scythefwd2: state the issue
[22:43] <scythefwd2> are ax200 chipsets both compatible with amd chipsets and supported under ubuntu?
[22:49] <oerheks> that driver is not yet in the kernel, but there is a fix https://askubuntu.com/questions/1149116/intel-wifi-support-for-ax200-cyclone-peak
[22:49] <oerheks> backport-iwlwifi-dkms
[22:49] <scythefwd2> so I'd have to install that module before I swapped nics, or turn around and move it over via usb stick...
[22:51] <oerheks> yes, install it with wire?
[22:53] <scythefwd2> no wired available
[22:53] <scythefwd2> sorry for slow response.. was reading
[22:53] <kk4ewt> pyraindrop; all modern linux OS that answer would be yes
[22:54] <scythefwd2> I'm seeing some whispers out there of folks having native support in 5.1 and later kernels.. and at least one where the guys card was wigging out pretty hard after an update
[22:55] <scythefwd2> but 20.04 shipped with 5.4
[22:57] <scythefwd2> I guess the only real way to check is to buy one and find out.. funny thing is, I'm not looking at it for it's wifi , but the BT module..
[22:58] <scythefwd2> appreciate it man..  chat at yall later
[23:02] <OERIAS> Hi peeps
[23:03] <OERIAS> I have an issue in which SD cards are not automatically mounted.
[23:03] <OERIAS> I have tried multiple cards
[23:03] <OERIAS> but the OS is only able to mount them when I restart the computer
[23:04] <OERIAS> This does not seem to happen with an external HD or a flash drive.
[23:04] <OERIAS> or an Internal drive
[23:04] <OERIAS> The card reader works fine under Windows
[23:17] <Razva> is there any way to restart the network service on install/setup?
[23:17] <Razva> init.d doesn't exists and systemctl doesn't exists