[15:17] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[20:16] <pikapika> Is there a simple way to revert to pure X if wayland gives trouble?
[20:17] <pikapika> and is it true that next lts onwards wayland will be the default?
[20:17] <oerheks> current LTS 20.04 is not wayland default.
[20:18] <oerheks> there is no roadmap for next LTS, 22.04 ....
[20:19] <oerheks> and Groovy in development is Xorg default, still iirc
[20:19] <pikapika> So do you think it will be possible to easily change to pure X if needed if wayland becomes the default?
[20:19] <pikapika> Of course, as you said
[20:19] <pikapika> there is no roadmap for next LTS, 22.04 ....
[20:19] <pikapika> but if you had to speculate
[20:20] <oerheks> SUre, i expect xorg as fallback, and such change will not be introduced with an LTS.
[20:20] <oerheks> that could be like in 21.04 ..
[20:21] <pikapika> Thanks, I hope the people making ubuntu understand that some folks might find such a drastic change a bit scary
[20:21] <oerheks> 21.04 - 21.10 - 22.04lts
[20:21] <oerheks> no, you will heave enough time to validate your system and services.
[20:21] <pikapika> and thus supply an easy route to return to X if needed
[20:21] <oerheks> you are doing that already, great.
[20:22] <pikapika> am actually on 18.04 right now but yeah gotta be ready for the inevitable
[20:23] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes
[20:25] <Ussat> People use GUI's on servers ?
[20:26] <pikapika> on that note, is it feasible to assemble a desktop from the server edition if the desktop version is giving me trouble due to wayland and I find no easy way to replace it with x there?
[20:27] <Ussat> yes
[20:27] <Ussat> very
[20:27] <Ussat> sudo tasksel install ubuntu-mate-desktop
[20:28] <Ussat> I use that in a script if its needed
[20:28] <Ussat> server install + that
[20:28] <Ussat> done
[20:28] <pikapika> I worry that the kernel may have been compiled rather differently for server than desktop (such as not prioritising mouse response as much, different scheduling settings etc)
[20:28] <Ussat> its the same kernel
[20:28] <pikapika> built with exact same settings?
[20:29] <Ussat> scheduling can be changed without mucking with the kernel
[20:29] <Ussat> Yes, they are the same kernel
[20:29] <pikapika> ok
[20:29] <pikapika> all in all I hope it doesn't come to that for me
[20:29] <Ussat> Just different packages is all
[20:29] <Ussat> If I need to install a "desktop" I still use server image and that
[20:29] <Ussat> I manage several desktops at work and hundreads of servers
[20:30] <Ussat> the entire install is:
[20:30] <Ussat> sudo apt-get -y remove open-vm-tools
[20:30] <Ussat> sudo apt-get -y install open-vm-tools-desktop
[20:30] <Ussat> sudo apt-get -y insrtall taskel
[20:30] <Ussat> sudo tasksel install ubuntu-mate-desktop
[20:30] <Ussat> sudo systemctl unmask sleep.target suspend.target hibernate.target hybrid-sleep.target
[20:30] <pikapika> at the moment the default config of the desktop editions is close enough for me that its not an issue, but any time in the future if it diverges too much from my needs/tastes its good to know I have the option to assemble mine own starting with the server edition
[20:31] <Ussat>    /rude drone
[20:31] <Ussat> anyway
[20:32] <Ussat> I dont like the desktop install, to much crap I dont care about at all
[20:32] <Ussat> I ponly install what I need
[20:33] <Ussat> If I need something in there, I will install it
[20:33] <Ussat> I believe in minimalist installs, only what you need
[20:33] <pikapika> yah its good to know I won't need to use some hipster distro if the need arises to assemble something a bit different
[20:33] <pikapika> thank god the server edition exists
[20:34] <Ussat> I dont see it going away.
[20:34] <Ussat> I have severl hundread servers w/centos and ubuntu
[20:34] <Ussat> and about 50 desktops
[20:34] <pikapika> kind of always have a gnawing fear inside me about what I will do if xubuntu changes too much from my needs, its a bit reassuring now to hear people have had success assembling desktops from the server edition
[20:35] <pikapika> Of course, here's to hoping it never goes to that point etc etc
[20:35] <Ussat> Ya its really simple
[20:36] <Ussat> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1160531/how-to-correctly-install-mate-desktop-environment-on-ubuntu-16-04-lts-and-newer
[20:36] <Ussat> I have that baked into an install script I have for servers
[20:36] <Ussat> if needed