[13:44] <jrwren> interesting. https://www.suse.com/c/news/suse-acquires-rancher/
[14:22] <greg-g> I appreciate that this channel still has a good amount of members even though irccloud is down :)
[14:23] <jrwren> :)
[14:25] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'm in the Penguicon channel and they're at half
[14:27] <greg-g> wikimedia channels are lacking a ton, most staff use irccloud to connect. You can see who the real nerds are today :)
[14:27] <greg-g> (we have an org account with them, I believe)
[14:31] <cmaloney> Honestly I'm sure it's because IRC via the phone is kinda brutal
[14:31] <cmaloney> But I'll bet money that a lot of nanodes on Linode are getting spun up as we speak
[14:32] <jrwren> ha!
[14:35] <greg-g> or people are sharing out their znc creds? :)
[14:35] <jrwren> doesn't anyone download xchat or mirc anymore?
[14:36] <cmaloney> xchat hasn't been updated since 2010
[14:36] <greg-g> I have one person in my teams who uses xchat I think
[14:36] <cmaloney> it's Hexchat now
[14:36] <greg-g> ok, whatever it is now :)
[14:36] <greg-g> but he's only on when he's active/awake. It's kind of annoying, honestly ;)
[14:36] <cmaloney> I had to find that out today as well because I don't use it.
[14:36] <cmaloney> greg-g: The manager in you wants Slack. ;)
[14:37] <cmaloney> "Override Do Not Disturb, my minions!"
[14:37] <greg-g> cmaloney: there is a internal divide within wikimedia re slack/irc :(
[14:38] <greg-g> the new CTO almost made a decree to get all of Technology on Slack, but, it only half worked. Now everyone has accounts but still use IRC primarily. Only Tech management is there consistently.
[14:38] <cmaloney> Slack is an abomination.
[14:38] <greg-g> we have a community to communicate with, so yeah
[14:38] <cmaloney> But there is weeslack which mostly works.
[14:38] <greg-g> for weechat?
[14:38] <cmaloney> gitter isn't horrible but it's not great
[14:38] <cmaloney> Yeah
[14:38]  * greg-g nods
[14:38] <cmaloney> I use it for one slack "server"
[14:39] <greg-g> I just have a slack tab pinned :/
[14:39] <cmaloney> Check out weeslack. You might be impressed with it
[14:39] <jrwren> greg-g: mattermost is best of both worlds IMO.
[14:39] <cmaloney> I'm not sure I would use it for more than one Slack server
[14:39] <greg-g> jrwren: have you tried matrix?
[14:39] <cmaloney> it also requires an "app" on the server
[14:39] <greg-g> I haven't tried mattermost
[14:40] <jrwren> i've not used matrix.
[14:40] <cmaloney> Framasoft uses Mattermost iirc
[14:40] <cmaloney> it's... OK
[14:40] <greg-g> Mozilla went with Matrix for staff+community (and Slack for staff-only) so many just use Matrix as their one client.
[14:40] <jrwren> i only know mattermost has a great slack-like client and easy run server to host yourself, for security reasons.
[14:40] <cmaloney> kinda clunky
[14:40] <jrwren> i trust moz, if they did it, i'm sure it is good.
[14:41] <greg-g> yeah, the guy who ran it is good, too. @mhoye@mastodon.social
[14:44] <cmaloney> Honestly I think I'd give Matrix a shot over Telegram
[14:44] <cmaloney> I don't trust Telegram, in part because they don't support Google Voice phone numbers
[14:44] <cmaloney> and because they just have an air of hinky to them
[14:47] <greg-g> yeah, we use Telegram as our "here's a fun photo of what I'm doing right now" thing. It's "real" use is when we're in-person and are coordinating dinners/etc. Oh I miss those days. in-person offsites :/
[15:12] <jrwren> the experience of telegram is different enough that I don't even categorize it as the same.
[15:12] <jrwren> not sure why.
[15:15] <greg-g> same, really
[15:18] <cmaloney> Is it in the same breath as Signal with Group Chat, or something else?
[15:18] <jrwren> that is teh quesiton and I don't nkow the answer.
[15:19] <jrwren> also... i'm a poor typer
[15:19] <cmaloney> I've only used Signal
[15:20] <jrwren> apparently everyone should be using signal for messaging instead of SMS, for everything, but I can't seem to get people to adopt it.
[15:20] <cmaloney> I can't get some folks on this planet to stop using SMS.
[15:21] <cmaloney> Though the alternatives I offer aren't that great
[15:21] <cmaloney> Signal is the least-bad of them
[15:21] <jrwren> signal still requires a phone number, right? that is kind of a bummer.
[15:21] <cmaloney> I want Jami to work but it's kind of janky
[15:21] <jrwren> never heard of that one.
[15:21] <cmaloney> It's a peer-to-peer encrypted messaging platform
[15:22] <greg-g> heh, signal is for the random kids' friends' parents in my world. Carrie and I use FB messenger :/
[15:22] <cmaloney> greg-g: We still use Hangouts
[15:22] <jrwren> i refuse FB
[15:22] <cmaloney> https://jami.net/
[15:22] <jrwren> > host facebook.com
[15:22] <jrwren> facebook.com has address 192.168.15.101
[15:23] <cmaloney> Mine has a lot of fb stuff routed to localhost
[15:23] <cmaloney> my username on Jami is craigmaloney
[15:24] <jrwren> cmaloney: I was routing to localhost, but i changed to my home server with a virtual host which responds with "This site has been blocked by the network administrator."
[15:24] <jrwren> :)
[15:26] <cmaloney> Nice
[19:25] <jrwren> TIL: br encoding is only enabled in https
[19:25] <jrwren> or maybe I relearned it. I think i once knew and forgot.
[21:36] <jrwren> ha! saw a mass irc-cloud rejoin. i see what you mean now
[23:01] <cmaloney> https://jitsi.decafbad.net/CoffeeHouseCodersRoyalOak