[20:09] <h00k> I'm having some trouble getting monitor out sound from Ardour, i just can't get Jack to do what I expect.
[20:11] <h00k> I'll play with it again this evening and maybe get more information to try to help troubleshoot.
[20:22] <OvenWerks> h00k: to help we need to know "what you expect" and what is actually happening
[20:24] <h00k> OvenWerks: I expect to be able to select something in Ardour, and be able to monitor it with my speakers or headphones as audio comes in from that source (guitar, for example)
[20:25] <h00k> But I have zero audio out, but it's getting audio in.
[20:25] <h00k> Anyway, I haven't been able to get Jack to do what I think it should be already doing
[20:26] <OvenWerks> h00k: first thing is do you need jack or could you run ardour with alsa?
[20:26] <OvenWerks>  Second thing are you using the same device as input and output
[20:27] <OvenWerks> third thing, how are you starting jack?
[20:28] <h00k> I don't know if I need jack. I know I used to, last time I looked at audio a number of years ago. I've tried to use both Ardour's launcher, and also manually starting jackd with jackq app. Both have the same results.
[20:28] <h00k> As far as the second question, I do not think so.
[20:28] <OvenWerks> If you try to start jack with two different devices that could be the problem
[20:29] <h00k> Nah, it yells at me if I try to start it twice. That one I know better.
[20:29] <h00k> Ardour will attach to the existing jack session if it can, or it will fire jack up on its own when I launch
[20:30] <OvenWerks> yes
[20:30] <OvenWerks> so the meter in the master channel is moving?
[20:30] <h00k> If it helps, I have made zero actual jack configuration changes at this point. I have tested and then reverted things. I did before, mucked a bunch of things up, and decided that wasn't a good idea. Blew away everything, started fresh.
[20:30] <OvenWerks> (ie you do have the mixer screen open?)
[20:31] <h00k> At the moment, negative. I won't be able to actually check for a bit. And no, now that I think, last time I looked, I did not see the master channel move.
[20:32] <h00k> Goal: have a USB capture device for my guitar that I'd like to record. Maybe I need Jack, maybe not!
[20:33] <OvenWerks> so probably: a) either the input or the disk button could be pressed (or unpressed)
[20:33] <OvenWerks> or if not that the channel is not connected to master
[20:35] <OvenWerks> Anyway, it would be easier if you were at your machine. I do not think the problem is jack or not
[20:35] <h00k> disk button, ah. I'ma have to play with that.
[20:35] <h00k> That's very possible.
[20:35] <OvenWerks> because you have signal at the channel and not at master
[20:35] <h00k> It seemed jack got kinda "automatic"
[20:35] <h00k> so I don't know if I actually have to futz with it -- it used to be way more manual (I thought).
[20:36] <OvenWerks> in 20.04 if it is started with ubuntustudio-controls it is
[20:36] <h00k> thought so
[20:36] <h00k> Is that the "recommended" way (for a noob)
[20:36] <OvenWerks> yes I thin so
[20:37] <h00k> Cool, I thought so.
[20:37] <OvenWerks> it deals with things like: I can't hear my browser, I have a USB mic and I want to use my computer speakers, etc.
[20:37] <h00k> Yep. I messed with my previous install and killed browser audio and couldn't get it back?
[20:38] <OvenWerks> The next version deals with headphones a bit better
[20:38] <h00k> next like post-20.04?
[20:38] <OvenWerks> yes
[20:39] <h00k> neat, because that's what I plan to use for monitoring.
[20:39] <OvenWerks> I am just finishing that now
[20:39] <OvenWerks> or rather, every time I think I am finished I think of something else to to.
[20:39] <OvenWerks>  :P
[20:43] <h00k> Of course ;)
[20:43] <h00k> bluetooth audio device!
[20:43] <h00k> well, for output
[20:46] <OvenWerks> blue tooth is not there yet
[20:46] <OvenWerks> It is possible by routing through pulse
[20:46] <OvenWerks> but automating that is harder.
[20:48] <OvenWerks> I would have to keep polling pulse to see if a BT device has shown up since last time or gone away.
[20:49] <h00k> I remember getting neck deep in pulseaudio when it became a thing, I was routing audio over the network in my dorm room. It was neat.