| h00k | OvenWerks: you don't happen to be around, do you? | 01:45 |
|---|---|---|
| OvenWerks | half and half. | 01:46 |
| h00k | I'm futzin for a bit, anyway. | 01:46 |
| OvenWerks | just waiting for my wife to get here | 01:47 |
| OvenWerks | then we go to eat I think | 01:47 |
| h00k | OvenWerks: I'm pretty sure it's Ardour I need to learn to use | 01:52 |
| OvenWerks | That is what i think too | 01:53 |
| OvenWerks | h00k: have you seen these ones: https://community.ardour.org/community#videos | 02:03 |
| h00k | OvenWerks: some of them, I'm browsing them now actually | 02:04 |
| h00k | OvenWerks: I notice that I have browser audio working, and as soon as I start jack from ubuntu studio controls, I lose browser audio and it will not return until I quit jack | 02:05 |
| h00k | similar from qjackctl | 02:08 |
| h00k | but starting it from Ardour keeps it. Okay. Lesson learned. | 02:10 |
| h00k | So, definitely I lose all audio once I start jack with ubuntu studio controls with default settings | 02:25 |
| h00k | is there a way to reset ubuntu studio controls to all defaults? | 02:35 |
| OvenWerks | that should not happen, default is to bridge pulse to jack and connect it to ssystem:playback_1 and 2 (the 1 and 2 can be changed) | 02:47 |
| h00k | I see that | 02:47 |
| OvenWerks | to reset to default rm ~/.config/autojack/autojackrc | 02:47 |
| h00k | No external USB devices plugged in, jack not running at all, any configuration I make, I cannot keep browser audio when i start jack with -studio-controls | 02:48 |
| OvenWerks | when you do start jack with controls, pulse can only use jack as it's output device | 02:49 |
| OvenWerks | which device are you using with jack? | 02:49 |
| h00k | well, I've got a USB capture cord for a guitar/ukulele (current challenge) and eventually an electric drum kit via USB/midi | 02:50 |
| OvenWerks | maybe try this (all one line) and paste the url it comes up with: cd /tmp && wget https://community.ardour.org/files/adevices.sh && bash ./adevices.sh |pastebinit | 02:50 |
| OvenWerks | do this with jack running | 02:51 |
| h00k | via which method -- studio controls, qtctl, or ardour itself | 02:51 |
| h00k | or does it not matter | 02:51 |
| OvenWerks | controls would be best | 02:51 |
| h00k | OvenWerks: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/s24dRMDWW8/ | 02:52 |
| OvenWerks | that is not with -controls. | 02:53 |
| h00k | indeed it was :[ | 02:53 |
| h00k | with it stopped: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/svRCMSfBfd/ | 02:54 |
| h00k | jack started with ardour: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Sytc65QJzR/ | 02:55 |
| OvenWerks | the first one was not with jack started by ubuntustudio controls, | 02:56 |
| OvenWerks | so that is the same then | 02:57 |
| OvenWerks | that is the way ardour starts jack | 02:57 |
| h00k | check it: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bMpJhrBKvc/ https://drive.google.com/file/d/1x5njmFhGwQspGVbnLuRGcYl7APJTWKQ6/view?usp=sharing | 02:59 |
| h00k | It really was | 02:59 |
| OvenWerks | nope, controls may be running but it would not start jack that way unless it is a diferent version than anything in thje lasy 10 years | 03:00 |
| OvenWerks | controls does not use jackd | 03:00 |
| h00k | I have no idea what you mean or what I am doing wrong | 03:01 |
| OvenWerks | so stop ardour which should stop jack | 03:01 |
| h00k | ardour isn't running | 03:01 |
| OvenWerks | qjackctl? | 03:02 |
| h00k | qjackctl had it running. sorry. | 03:03 |
| OvenWerks | I need to go for a bit | 03:03 |
| h00k | no problem | 03:03 |
| h00k | thanks anyway | 03:03 |
| OvenWerks | ok | 03:04 |
| OvenWerks | i be back | 03:04 |
| OvenWerks | It is almost like the file has been modified | 03:05 |
| OvenWerks | ( usr/bin/autojack ) | 03:05 |
| h00k | ps aux | grep jack: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y3PwsJ6ktM/ | 03:05 |
| h00k | I can pastebin autojack but I don't know if that's helpful. | 03:06 |
| OvenWerks | sure, I look through quick | 03:07 |
| h00k | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/b6F2XJmVPH/ | 03:07 |
| h00k | ~./config/autojack/autojackrc looks basic: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9n6KzRSNr6/ | 03:08 |
| OvenWerks | autojack is correct, it should start jackdbus via jack_control | 03:09 |
| h00k | jack is *actually* killed (kill -9), although have no audio (browser) | 03:09 |
| h00k | I'm gonna bounce this thing. brb. | 03:10 |
| h00k | on login, jackd already running | 03:12 |
| OvenWerks | That jack is not even the same settings as the -controls config. I thin k it is stuck somehow. | 03:12 |
| h00k | neat :[ | 03:12 |
| OvenWerks | jackd or jackdbus? | 03:12 |
| h00k | both | 03:12 |
| OvenWerks | do you have cadence installed? | 03:13 |
| h00k | grep jack: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gFSWnpFr97/ | 03:13 |
| h00k | yes (by default, ubuntu studio) | 03:13 |
| h00k | wait | 03:13 |
| h00k | nope | 03:13 |
| h00k | no binary executable by that name in my paths | 03:13 |
| h00k | should I have cadence installed? | 03:15 |
| h00k | this was a fresh 20.04 install about a week or two ago, I haven't done much mucking | 03:16 |
| OvenWerks | ls ~/.config/autostart/ | 03:16 |
| OvenWerks | does that have anything in it? | 03:16 |
| OvenWerks | don't install cadence | 03:16 |
| h00k | I have no .config/autostart | 03:17 |
| h00k | empty/doesn't exist | 03:17 |
| h00k | no folder | 03:17 |
| OvenWerks | empty is ok | 03:17 |
| OvenWerks | did you try running jack as root? | 03:18 |
| h00k | nope, never. | 03:19 |
| OvenWerks | good | 03:19 |
| h00k | I know better ;) | 03:19 |
| h00k | yeah, on login, jackd starts, and I have zero audio | 03:19 |
| OvenWerks | is this ubuntustudio or ubuntu with ubuntustudio on top? | 03:19 |
| h00k | studio proper | 03:20 |
| OvenWerks | settings->session and startup | 03:21 |
| OvenWerks | there is a application autostart tab | 03:21 |
| h00k | I see that | 03:21 |
| h00k | Just pulseaudio as far as anything audio in here | 03:22 |
| OvenWerks | how about in the session tan | 03:23 |
| h00k | https://imgur.com/iX9UhCa.png | 03:24 |
| h00k | xfwm4, settings, panel, thunar, xfdesktop, power manager, pulseaudio, kdeconnectd | 03:24 |
| h00k | advanced has 'gnome services on startup' checked | 03:25 |
| h00k | KDE unchecked, remote apps unchecked | 03:25 |
| OvenWerks | in the general tab is Automatically save session on logout checked? | 03:25 |
| h00k | No | 03:27 |
| OvenWerks | I don't know what is starting jackd | 03:27 |
| OvenWerks | did you do a full reboot or just logout/in? | 03:28 |
| h00k | full reboot | 03:29 |
| h00k | lemme see if there's anything fishy in qjackctl | 03:29 |
| OvenWerks | That commandline does not look like qjackctl either (to me) | 03:30 |
| OvenWerks | qjackctl specifies two devices normally | 03:31 |
| h00k | "save JACK audio sever config to" .jackdrc | 03:31 |
| h00k | that's it | 03:31 |
| h00k | standby. | 03:32 |
| h00k | removed .jackdrc, rebooted, jackd did not start on login. Clean ~/.config/autojack/autojackrc by deleting, launch ubuntustudio-controls, and now it will *not* start jack. | 03:37 |
| h00k | where be the logs for that bad boy? | 03:37 |
| OvenWerks | they are ~/.log/ | 03:39 |
| OvenWerks | the file is autojack.log | 03:41 |
| OvenWerks | the file in the jack subdir may say something too. | 03:41 |
| h00k | I'm seeing ERROR: JackServer::Open failed with -1 | 03:42 |
| h00k | in jackdbus.log | 03:42 |
| h00k | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/f5hXQhtTrh/ | 03:42 |
| OvenWerks | how about autojack.log | 03:45 |
| OvenWerks | it looks like some other application is using that device. | 03:45 |
| h00k | jack starting with ardour: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CKgCTGspwR/ | 03:46 |
| OvenWerks | Ya, same command line | 03:47 |
| OvenWerks | I feel like I am missimg something. | 03:48 |
| OvenWerks | when controls starts jackdbus, it first tells pule not to see any alsa devices, then does a killall -9 jackd jackdbus... then starts to set up jackdbus. | 03:50 |
| OvenWerks | *pulse | 03:50 |
| h00k | I got jack running with us-controls. Method: Run ardour, let ardour start jack. Mess around for a bit, quit ardour. | 03:52 |
| h00k | Jack quit. Tested browser audio: works. Fired up -studio-controls, started jack, it started, lost browser audio. | 03:53 |
| OvenWerks | what does jack_lsp -c |pastebinit | 03:54 |
| OvenWerks | show? | 03:54 |
| h00k | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wPfRnztnqt/ | 03:54 |
| h00k | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y3wXycm7ty/ | 03:54 |
| OvenWerks | in pavucontrol applications | 03:56 |
| h00k | I can do a video tour, heh | 03:56 |
| OvenWerks | sorry in the Playback tab | 03:56 |
| OvenWerks | I guess we should see the output devices | 03:57 |
| OvenWerks | you should see jacksink (pulse_out) | 03:57 |
| h00k | https://imgur.com/DKltZ8J.png | 03:57 |
| h00k | can confirm | 03:57 |
| h00k | yes | 03:57 |
| h00k | I do see that, and I see audio that *should* be playing but isn't | 03:57 |
| h00k | https://imgur.com/F2QGKEm.png | 03:58 |
| OvenWerks | That all looks right | 03:58 |
| h00k | https://imgur.com/egiI0qr.png | 03:59 |
| h00k | I am baffled, it *looks* like it should be doing a thing. | 03:59 |
| h00k | carla: https://imgur.com/w7HnWGe.png | 04:00 |
| h00k | should I mess with "Extra Devices" in studio-controls? | 04:02 |
| h00k | "Connect other internal audio interfaces" | 04:02 |
| OvenWerks | prpobably not | 04:02 |
| h00k | maybe pulseaudio is being a putz | 04:02 |
| OvenWerks | hdmi requires really large buffers | 04:02 |
| h00k | I do have 2 PCH devices | 04:03 |
| h00k | https://imgur.com/NZ4WwF1.png | 04:03 |
| OvenWerks | so does killall -9 jackd actually kill jackd? | 04:03 |
| h00k | I did a kill -9 on the processid, and it killed it. | 04:04 |
| OvenWerks | maybe try using -controls but setting buffer to 4096 | 04:04 |
| * OvenWerks is runniing out of ideas | 04:05 | |
| h00k | no change there | 04:05 |
| OvenWerks | does it still start jackd? | 04:05 |
| h00k | Yep | 04:05 |
| h00k | I just tried 3 jack periods, neg. | 04:06 |
| h00k | neg meaning browser audio (and all other audio) dies when I start jack with -controls | 04:07 |
| OvenWerks | ya. | 04:07 |
| OvenWerks | because jackd is getting started | 04:07 |
| OvenWerks | your usb device has a headphone jack? | 04:07 |
| h00k | It does not | 04:08 |
| h00k | I don't actually have it plugged in for "Testing" at the moment, i'm just trying to get any kind of audio when jack starts. Should I expect to still hear audio? | 04:08 |
| h00k | youtube --> start jack --> continue youtube (y/n?) | 04:09 |
| OvenWerks | I am just wondering if we get rid of the jackdrc file (again) | 04:09 |
| OvenWerks | set the usb device as jack master. | 04:10 |
| h00k | gone | 04:10 |
| OvenWerks | (second dropdown) | 04:10 |
| OvenWerks | and then try adding PCH,0,0 as an extra device | 04:11 |
| h00k | https://imgur.com/aAB9dWn.png | 04:11 |
| OvenWerks | then use Carla to connect pulse-out to that | 04:11 |
| OvenWerks | so start jack? | 04:11 |
| h00k | jack started | 04:12 |
| h00k | I'm looking at carla to makesure I'm doing the right thing | 04:12 |
| h00k | https://imgur.com/04eXG0K.png | 04:14 |
| h00k | Haven't touched it yet, just moved things to where they made sense | 04:14 |
| OvenWerks | Ya, so reconnect pulse-out to PCH,0,0-out | 04:15 |
| OvenWerks | you can leave the connections to system for now. | 04:15 |
| h00k | notta yet. both pulse outs to all pch,0,0-out playbacks | 04:16 |
| OvenWerks | look at alsamixer, levels are up not muted? | 04:17 |
| h00k | doesn't appear to be: https://imgur.com/2b0mem3.png | 04:21 |
| OvenWerks | still no sound... I'm baffled | 04:22 |
| h00k | First time... I tried troubleshooting for a decent full day. Turns out I had a bard cord. had to find that out using garage band or something on a mac, just gave me static. | 04:23 |
| h00k | anyway, I know the cord works now, and I can get things decent in some other easy to use stuffs, but I'd prefer to use studio just... because I'm a sadist and I like the challenge. | 04:23 |
| h00k | and jack is a bastard yet for me. | 04:24 |
| h00k | OvenWerks: I appreciate the time. I'm not sure where to go. :[ | 04:26 |
| OvenWerks | I'm not either at this point | 04:27 |
| OvenWerks | I have been using this basic setup for years on a number of different machines | 04:27 |
| h00k | https://imgur.com/a/deB419z | 04:32 |
| h00k | that's fairly logical | 04:32 |
| OvenWerks | when controls has jack running that should show no devices :) | 04:34 |
| h00k | correcto | 04:34 |
| h00k | can confirm | 04:34 |
| OvenWerks | but this way you have sound? | 04:34 |
| h00k | Yep! | 04:34 |
| h00k | I get browser sound all day | 04:34 |
| h00k | youtubes on how to not suck at ardour and stuff | 04:34 |
| h00k | so I mean, my actual hardware functions properly | 04:35 |
| OvenWerks | good | 04:35 |
| h00k | I played with sample rate a bit, mostly only between 48 and 441 | 04:36 |
| h00k | because 44100 will be good enough | 04:36 |
| OvenWerks | when the next version of controls comes out, it may be worth a try | 04:36 |
| OvenWerks | quite a lot has changed | 04:37 |
| h00k | even if I set jack master controls (no usb) I can select "pch 0,0 playback and capture analog" | 04:37 |
| h00k | Yep, I'l definitely be checking out the alphas/betas | 04:37 |
| h00k | anyway, I just can't make 'er do. | 04:37 |
| h00k | Thanks for trying with me anyway. | 04:37 |
| OvenWerks | your welcome | 04:38 |
| h00k | I gotta switch back over to *the dark side* for a bit with music yet | 04:38 |
| h00k | I'm out for the eve. Catch you later. | 04:39 |
| OvenWerks | o/ | 04:41 |
| Du66y | Hiya... | 08:35 |
| === ctrlshiftPrhaps1 is now known as ctrlshiftPrhaps | ||
| h00k | I'ma try, for kicks, on a different laptop maybe later tonight | 14:30 |
| === ctrlshiftPrhaps1 is now known as ctrlshiftPrhaps | ||
| Eickmeyer[m] | jdl51: Studio uses Xfce which doesn't support wacom tablets. You can use the Studio stuff on top of regular Ubuntu, though. | 21:10 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | !ubuntustudio-installer | 21:10 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu Studio Installer is an app that can be used to add Ubuntu Studio's benefits to an existing Ubuntu (or official flavor) installation, or add additional packages. For more info, see https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer/ | 21:10 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | jdl51: It's linked on the front page of the Ubuntu Studio website. | 21:12 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | Welcome. :) | 21:13 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | jdl51: You might think about talking to #irc:matrix.org to figure out what's going on with your Matrix bridge, you're not appearing on IRC. | 21:46 |
| * OvenWerks was wondering who Eickmeyer[m] was talking to... | 21:53 | |
| Eickmeyer[m] | OvenWerks: You and krytarik ... | 21:53 |
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