[01:45] <h00k> OvenWerks: you don't happen to be around, do you?
[01:46] <OvenWerks> half and half.
[01:46] <h00k> I'm futzin for a bit, anyway.
[01:47] <OvenWerks> just waiting for my wife to get here
[01:47] <OvenWerks> then we go to eat I think
[01:52] <h00k> OvenWerks: I'm pretty sure it's Ardour I need to learn to use
[01:53] <OvenWerks> That is what i think too
[02:03] <OvenWerks> h00k: have you seen these ones: https://community.ardour.org/community#videos
[02:04] <h00k> OvenWerks: some of them, I'm browsing them now actually
[02:05] <h00k> OvenWerks: I notice that I have browser audio working, and as soon as I start jack from ubuntu studio controls, I lose browser audio and it will not return until I quit jack
[02:08] <h00k> similar from qjackctl
[02:10] <h00k> but starting it from Ardour keeps it. Okay. Lesson learned.
[02:25] <h00k> So, definitely I lose all audio once I start jack with ubuntu studio controls with default settings
[02:35] <h00k> is there a way to reset ubuntu studio controls to all defaults?
[02:47] <OvenWerks> that should not happen, default is to bridge pulse to jack and connect it to ssystem:playback_1 and 2 (the 1 and 2 can be changed)
[02:47] <h00k> I see that
[02:47] <OvenWerks> to reset to default rm ~/.config/autojack/autojackrc
[02:48] <h00k> No external USB devices plugged in, jack not running at all, any configuration I make, I cannot keep browser audio when i start jack with -studio-controls
[02:49] <OvenWerks> when you do start jack with controls, pulse can only use jack as it's output device
[02:49] <OvenWerks> which device are you using with jack?
[02:50] <h00k> well, I've got a USB capture cord for a guitar/ukulele (current challenge) and eventually an electric drum kit via USB/midi
[02:50] <OvenWerks> maybe try this (all one line) and paste the url it comes up with: cd /tmp && wget https://community.ardour.org/files/adevices.sh && bash ./adevices.sh |pastebinit
[02:51] <OvenWerks> do this with jack running
[02:51] <h00k> via which method -- studio controls, qtctl, or ardour itself
[02:51] <h00k> or does it not matter
[02:51] <OvenWerks> controls would be best
[02:52] <h00k> OvenWerks: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/s24dRMDWW8/
[02:53] <OvenWerks> that is not with -controls.
[02:53] <h00k> indeed it was :[
[02:54] <h00k> with it stopped: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/svRCMSfBfd/
[02:55] <h00k> jack started with ardour: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Sytc65QJzR/
[02:56] <OvenWerks> the first one was not with jack started by ubuntustudio controls,
[02:57] <OvenWerks> so that is the same then
[02:57] <OvenWerks> that is the way ardour starts jack
[02:59] <h00k> check it: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bMpJhrBKvc/  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1x5njmFhGwQspGVbnLuRGcYl7APJTWKQ6/view?usp=sharing
[02:59] <h00k> It really was
[03:00] <OvenWerks> nope, controls may be running but it would not start jack that way unless it is a diferent version than anything in thje lasy 10 years
[03:00] <OvenWerks> controls does not use jackd
[03:01] <h00k> I have no idea what you mean or what I am doing wrong
[03:01] <OvenWerks> so stop ardour which should stop jack
[03:01] <h00k> ardour isn't running
[03:02] <OvenWerks> qjackctl?
[03:03] <h00k> qjackctl had it running.  sorry.
[03:03] <OvenWerks> I need to go for a bit
[03:03] <h00k> no problem
[03:03] <h00k> thanks anyway
[03:04] <OvenWerks> ok
[03:04] <OvenWerks> i be back
[03:05] <OvenWerks> It is almost like the file has been modified
[03:05] <OvenWerks> ( usr/bin/autojack )
[03:05] <h00k> ps aux | grep jack: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y3PwsJ6ktM/
[03:06] <h00k> I can pastebin autojack but I don't know if that's helpful.
[03:07] <OvenWerks> sure, I look through quick
[03:07] <h00k> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/b6F2XJmVPH/
[03:08] <h00k> ~./config/autojack/autojackrc looks basic: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9n6KzRSNr6/
[03:09] <OvenWerks> autojack is correct, it should start jackdbus via jack_control
[03:09] <h00k> jack is *actually* killed (kill -9), although have no audio (browser)
[03:10] <h00k> I'm gonna bounce this thing. brb.
[03:12] <h00k> on login, jackd already running
[03:12] <OvenWerks> That jack is not even the same settings as the -controls config. I thin k it is stuck somehow.
[03:12] <h00k> neat :[
[03:12] <OvenWerks> jackd or jackdbus?
[03:12] <h00k> both
[03:13] <OvenWerks> do you have cadence installed?
[03:13] <h00k> grep jack: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gFSWnpFr97/
[03:13] <h00k> yes (by default, ubuntu studio)
[03:13] <h00k> wait
[03:13] <h00k> nope
[03:13] <h00k> no binary executable by that name in my paths
[03:15] <h00k> should I have cadence installed?
[03:16] <h00k> this was a fresh 20.04 install about a week or two ago, I haven't done much mucking
[03:16] <OvenWerks> ls ~/.config/autostart/
[03:16] <OvenWerks> does that have anything in it?
[03:16] <OvenWerks> don't install cadence
[03:17] <h00k> I have no .config/autostart
[03:17] <h00k> empty/doesn't exist
[03:17] <h00k> no folder
[03:17] <OvenWerks> empty is ok
[03:18] <OvenWerks> did you try running jack as root?
[03:19] <h00k> nope, never.
[03:19] <OvenWerks> good
[03:19] <h00k> I know better ;)
[03:19] <h00k> yeah, on login, jackd starts, and I have zero audio
[03:19] <OvenWerks> is this ubuntustudio or ubuntu with ubuntustudio on top?
[03:20] <h00k> studio proper
[03:21] <OvenWerks> settings->session and startup
[03:21] <OvenWerks> there is a application autostart tab
[03:21] <h00k> I see that
[03:22] <h00k> Just pulseaudio as far as anything audio in here
[03:23] <OvenWerks> how about in the session tan
[03:24] <h00k> https://imgur.com/iX9UhCa.png
[03:24] <h00k> xfwm4, settings, panel, thunar, xfdesktop, power manager, pulseaudio, kdeconnectd
[03:25] <h00k> advanced has 'gnome services on startup' checked
[03:25] <h00k> KDE unchecked, remote apps unchecked
[03:25] <OvenWerks> in the general tab is Automatically save session on logout checked?
[03:27] <h00k> No
[03:27] <OvenWerks> I don't know what is starting jackd
[03:28] <OvenWerks> did you do a full reboot or just logout/in?
[03:29] <h00k> full reboot
[03:29] <h00k> lemme see if there's anything fishy in qjackctl
[03:30] <OvenWerks> That commandline does not look like qjackctl either (to me)
[03:31] <OvenWerks> qjackctl specifies two devices normally
[03:31] <h00k> "save JACK audio sever config to" .jackdrc
[03:31] <h00k> that's it
[03:32] <h00k> standby.
[03:37] <h00k> removed .jackdrc, rebooted, jackd did not start on login. Clean ~/.config/autojack/autojackrc by deleting, launch ubuntustudio-controls, and now it will *not* start jack.
[03:37] <h00k> where be the logs for that bad boy?
[03:39] <OvenWerks>  they are ~/.log/
[03:41] <OvenWerks> the file is autojack.log
[03:41] <OvenWerks> the file in the jack subdir may say something too.
[03:42] <h00k> I'm seeing ERROR: JackServer::Open failed with -1
[03:42] <h00k> in jackdbus.log
[03:42] <h00k> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/f5hXQhtTrh/
[03:45] <OvenWerks> how about autojack.log
[03:45] <OvenWerks> it looks like some other application is using that device.
[03:46] <h00k> jack starting with ardour: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CKgCTGspwR/
[03:47] <OvenWerks> Ya, same command line
[03:48] <OvenWerks> I feel like I am missimg something.
[03:50] <OvenWerks> when controls starts jackdbus, it first tells pule not to see any alsa devices, then does a killall -9 jackd jackdbus... then starts to set up jackdbus.
[03:50] <OvenWerks> *pulse
[03:52] <h00k> I got jack running with us-controls. Method: Run ardour, let ardour start jack. Mess around for a bit, quit ardour.
[03:53] <h00k> Jack quit. Tested browser audio: works. Fired up -studio-controls, started jack, it started, lost browser audio.
[03:54] <OvenWerks> what does  jack_lsp -c |pastebinit
[03:54] <OvenWerks> show?
[03:54] <h00k> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wPfRnztnqt/
[03:54] <h00k> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y3wXycm7ty/
[03:56] <OvenWerks> in pavucontrol applications
[03:56] <h00k> I can do a video tour, heh
[03:56] <OvenWerks> sorry in the Playback tab
[03:57] <OvenWerks> I guess we should see the output devices
[03:57] <OvenWerks> you should see jacksink (pulse_out)
[03:57] <h00k> https://imgur.com/DKltZ8J.png
[03:57] <h00k> can confirm
[03:57] <h00k> yes
[03:57] <h00k> I do see that, and I see audio that *should* be playing but isn't
[03:58] <h00k> https://imgur.com/F2QGKEm.png
[03:58] <OvenWerks> That all looks right
[03:59] <h00k> https://imgur.com/egiI0qr.png
[03:59] <h00k> I am baffled, it *looks* like it should be doing a thing.
[04:00] <h00k> carla: https://imgur.com/w7HnWGe.png
[04:02] <h00k> should I mess with "Extra Devices" in studio-controls?
[04:02] <h00k> "Connect other internal audio interfaces"
[04:02] <OvenWerks> prpobably not
[04:02] <h00k> maybe pulseaudio is being a putz
[04:02] <OvenWerks> hdmi requires really large buffers
[04:03] <h00k> I do have 2 PCH devices
[04:03] <h00k> https://imgur.com/NZ4WwF1.png
[04:03] <OvenWerks> so does killall -9 jackd actually kill jackd?
[04:04] <h00k> I did a kill -9 on the processid, and it killed it.
[04:04] <OvenWerks> maybe try using -controls but setting buffer to 4096
[04:05]  * OvenWerks is runniing out of ideas
[04:05] <h00k> no change there
[04:05] <OvenWerks> does it still start jackd?
[04:05] <h00k> Yep
[04:06] <h00k> I just tried 3 jack periods, neg.
[04:07] <h00k> neg meaning browser audio (and all other audio) dies when I start jack with -controls
[04:07] <OvenWerks> ya.
[04:07] <OvenWerks> because jackd is getting started
[04:07] <OvenWerks> your usb device has a headphone jack?
[04:08] <h00k> It does not
[04:08] <h00k> I don't actually have it plugged in for "Testing" at the moment, i'm just trying to get any kind of audio when jack starts. Should I expect to still hear audio?
[04:09] <h00k> youtube --> start jack --> continue youtube (y/n?)
[04:09] <OvenWerks> I am just wondering if we get rid of the jackdrc file (again)
[04:10] <OvenWerks> set the usb device as jack master.
[04:10] <h00k> gone
[04:10] <OvenWerks> (second dropdown)
[04:11] <OvenWerks> and then try adding PCH,0,0 as an extra device
[04:11] <h00k> https://imgur.com/aAB9dWn.png
[04:11] <OvenWerks> then use Carla to connect pulse-out to that
[04:11] <OvenWerks> so start jack?
[04:12] <h00k> jack started
[04:12] <h00k> I'm looking at carla to makesure I'm doing the right thing
[04:14] <h00k> https://imgur.com/04eXG0K.png
[04:14] <h00k> Haven't touched it yet, just moved things to where they made sense
[04:15] <OvenWerks> Ya, so reconnect pulse-out to PCH,0,0-out
[04:15] <OvenWerks> you can leave the connections to system for now.
[04:16] <h00k> notta yet. both pulse outs to all pch,0,0-out playbacks
[04:17] <OvenWerks> look at alsamixer, levels are up not muted?
[04:21] <h00k> doesn't appear to be: https://imgur.com/2b0mem3.png
[04:22] <OvenWerks> still no sound... I'm baffled
[04:23] <h00k> First time... I tried troubleshooting for a decent full day. Turns out I had a bard cord. had to find that out using garage band or something on a mac, just gave me static.
[04:23] <h00k> anyway, I know the cord works now, and I can get things decent in some other easy to use stuffs, but I'd prefer to use studio just... because I'm a sadist and I like the challenge.
[04:24] <h00k> and jack is a bastard yet for me.
[04:26] <h00k> OvenWerks: I appreciate the time. I'm not sure where to go. :[
[04:27] <OvenWerks> I'm not either at this point
[04:27] <OvenWerks> I have been using this basic setup for years on a number of different machines
[04:32] <h00k> https://imgur.com/a/deB419z
[04:32] <h00k> that's fairly logical
[04:34] <OvenWerks> when controls has jack running that should show no devices :)
[04:34] <h00k> correcto
[04:34] <h00k> can confirm
[04:34] <OvenWerks> but this way you have sound?
[04:34] <h00k> Yep!
[04:34] <h00k> I get browser sound all day
[04:34] <h00k> youtubes on how to not suck at ardour and stuff
[04:35] <h00k> so I mean, my actual hardware functions properly
[04:35] <OvenWerks> good
[04:36] <h00k> I played with sample rate a bit, mostly only between 48 and  441
[04:36] <h00k> because 44100 will be good enough
[04:36] <OvenWerks> when the next version of controls comes out, it may be worth a try
[04:37] <OvenWerks> quite a lot has changed
[04:37] <h00k> even if I set jack master controls (no usb) I can select "pch 0,0 playback and capture analog"
[04:37] <h00k> Yep, I'l definitely be checking out the alphas/betas
[04:37] <h00k> anyway, I just can't make 'er do.
[04:37] <h00k> Thanks for trying with me anyway.
[04:38] <OvenWerks> your welcome
[04:38] <h00k> I gotta switch back over to *the dark side* for a bit with music yet
[04:39] <h00k> I'm out for the eve. Catch you later.
[04:41] <OvenWerks> o/
[08:35] <Du66y> Hiya...
[14:30] <h00k> I'ma try, for kicks, on a different laptop maybe later tonight
[21:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> jdl51: Studio uses Xfce which doesn't support wacom tablets. You can use the Studio stuff on top of regular Ubuntu, though.
[21:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> !ubuntustudio-installer
[21:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> jdl51: It's linked on the front page of the Ubuntu Studio website.
[21:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> Welcome. :)
[21:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> jdl51: You might think about talking to #irc:matrix.org to figure out what's going on with your Matrix bridge, you're not appearing on IRC.
[21:53]  * OvenWerks was wondering who Eickmeyer[m] was talking to...
[21:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: You and krytarik ...