[01:48] <h00k> OvenWerks: I just tried it, live, on a different machine and got the same results
[01:48] <h00k> I might try Ubuntu and install the studio things on top, the RT or low latency kernel, and see that happens
[01:50] <h00k> Or maybe I go one version older.
[02:05] <MackHoncho> Hello UbuntuStuds. Is  this worth it?
[02:08] <MackHoncho> I like that its free and I like linux for all the reasons you all do... but I could afford to pay for software and I am really more into just making music than going on a configuration quest... How much maintenance is involved to keep workflows stable? Will I be spending more time trouble shooting "learning" than creating?
[02:37] <OvenWerks> MackHoncho: I can't speak about macos (never having bought one), but every time My wife has gotten a windows box she has been determined to leave windows on it.... for about a week before she comes and says "put what you have on here". I would rather pay for software for linux than run free software on windows.... perhaps that is why your car (and mine) use linux in their onboard computers. (I
[02:37] <OvenWerks> looked through the on screen licencing)
[02:40] <OvenWerks> h00k: somethings wierd with that. By same results I take it you mean that jackd runs instead of jackdbus?
[02:47] <h00k> OvenWerks: meaning audio tanks whenever Jack is started, via jackdbus
[02:48] <h00k> Well, or any method 🙃
[02:50] <OvenWerks> well, if you are talking the studio iso, starting jackdbus should auto bridge pulse to jack and connect to system:playback_1/2
[02:50] <OvenWerks> however starting jackd will not do that
[02:53] <OvenWerks> in all of the tests we have done with your system the pastes you have shown show jackd being used.
[03:32] <MackHoncho> OvenWerks: I'm with ya on the Micro-Apple aversion, If I had more time and a larger brain I'd never leave my rooted Pixel book. Ubuntu over ChromeOs is digital bliss... BUT due to the aforementioned lack of time and mental capacity I keep a windows machine on hand for convenience sake. I can and have run wine and virtual machines for programs I'm
[03:32] <MackHoncho> forced to use but, lets face it, performance is laggy and the set ups break.
[03:38] <MackHoncho> OvenWerks: Part of the draw of Linux is the learning aspect. It fact it is much more of a learning experience than a computing experience for a great many people.... I guess my question is this: Whats that ratio going to be here? Will most things just work or am I going to need to hire a tutor? I don't want to be that help vampire newbie
[03:40] <OvenWerks> MackHoncho: it depends on what you want to do. Browsing is a no brainer as is most office jobs, making documents spead sheets etc.
[03:40] <MackHoncho> OvenWerks I want to use Ubuntu Studio to make music
[03:41] <OvenWerks> My wife bugs me very little for this reason (she asks more about her wording when writing)
[03:41] <OvenWerks> When it comes to making music:
[03:41] <OvenWerks> there are a number of things I need to explain about my particular background to put things in context.
[03:42] <MackHoncho> Please do
[03:43] <OvenWerks> My training was in broadcast electronics in the analog days and my music through the 80s and 90s at least was all analog with tape. The only computer use at all was a sequencer because it allowed me to take one tape track (out of 8) and run another 16 virtual tracks
[03:44] <OvenWerks> so my sequencer use was similar to a tape machine... midi was just another recording medium.
[03:45] <MackHoncho> ... limited only by imagination and a lack of an ocean of distracting plugins
[03:45] <MackHoncho> and now?
[03:46] <OvenWerks> the second thing is that I have never used windows anything realy, at least around home. I started with DRDos, went from there to OS/2 and when the cost of a driver for my $50 enther net cad was going to be some hundreds of dollars, I started using linux.
[03:47] <OvenWerks> The only windows I got to know at all was NT which one of our machines at work used for production (reading the address on a mail sorting machine)
[03:47] <OvenWerks> and we installed that NT using.... Linux.
[03:47] <OvenWerks>  :)
[03:48] <OvenWerks> So I really have nothing to compare to.
[03:48] <OvenWerks> I still use digital audio like a tape machine and no longer need a sequencer cause I have as many tracks as I want already.
[03:49] <MackHoncho> Do you use Ubuntu Studio?
[03:49] <OvenWerks> So using something like jack with ardour is "simple" without any real learning curve because it models the analog equipment I was already using
[03:49] <OvenWerks> yes
[03:50] <MackHoncho> You missed nothing when you skipped windows....
[03:52] <OvenWerks> when I had OS/2 I was running a BBS (pre internet) and had a friend who did as well but on windows. He had his hooked up to a timer that powered it off and on once a day so he could come back from holidays to a working machine... he had two lines and when the second one started to also download the forst went to half speed, OS/2 have none of those problems
[03:53] <MackHoncho> And I now realize you have never (really) been a novice. You evolved with the systems. For someone to jump into this fresh off the boat... its intimidating and genuinely difficult. We have to ask ourselves, "Am I smart enough to do this? Do I have the time it is going to take to become proficient? How hard will it be to get the help I need? How
[03:53] <MackHoncho> good is the documentation?
[03:53] <OvenWerks> in many ways Studio follows what I would want on a music machine... plus a lot more. There is a lot of stuff I never really use.
[03:54] <OvenWerks> That is why I gave some history :)
[03:54] <OvenWerks> I realize that my experience is unique
[03:55] <OvenWerks> I have worked on Ardour software wise as well as creating some of the software in ubuntustudio
[03:56] <OvenWerks> The documentation is not as good as it could be.
[04:24] <OvenWerks> MackHoncho: I think I got netsplitted out.
[04:25] <MackHoncho> Oh, welcome back... did you get my last reply?
[04:26] <OvenWerks> not sure I don't see anything after help from the web
[04:27] <MackHoncho> Thats all... quick question before I begin this journey, Any idea why this fresh install might be losing my keyboard from time to time? Im on a new laptop
[04:27] <OvenWerks> no I don't know.
[04:28] <OvenWerks> during install or after wards?
[04:28] <OvenWerks> That is, is the device so busy that it doesn't have time to read the keyboard?
[04:29] <MackHoncho> after. Install was cake. Had no problems except the system loses the keyboard from time to time. Log off then back on and its fixed...
[04:29] <MackHoncho> No I dont see how. Have an I7 with 32 gig of ram. Studio is fully installed to disk
[04:30] <OvenWerks> yeah that seems unlikely
[04:31] <MackHoncho> Thats off topic anyway sir, I'll figure it out. Do you spend much time here? I feel encouraged that if I run into an actual Studio problem I would find expert help here
[04:32] <OvenWerks> I sort of camp out here. I don't always watch what is going on but I do post answers when I can... it may be a few minutes or a few hours :)
[04:33] <MackHoncho> Perfectly acceptable! Until next time, goodnight
[19:11] <flies> Hi, I hope I've found the correct channel for support questions
[19:12] <flies> I'm having trouble getting my venerable MOTU 828 mkii to play nice
[19:13] <flies> I can get sound out through headphones, but none of the other outputs are doing anything, including the main out
[19:17] <flies> I should've mentioned that it's a firewire interface