[05:39] <jphilips> Unit193: any idea how often debian experimental gets refreshed as libxfce4ui 4.15.2 is 3 months old and 4.15.3 is a month old - https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/libxfce4ui/-/tags
[05:40] <Unit193> https://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/libxfce4ui is the latest version in experimental.
[05:42] <Unit193> As I'm sure you know, packages get packaged by people, so whenever they do it is when it gets done.  There's not much of a focus on 4.15 in Debian right now.
[05:42] <Unit193> Developmental builds, that they are.
[06:18] <jphilips> thanks for the info. presumed there might be some automated packaging that is setup in debian, but guess that's not the case.
[06:19] <Unit193> libxfce4ui and xfce4-panel are the only 4.15 packages to make it in, even.
[21:07] <jphilips> have others seen this before - https://github.com/themix-project/oomox
[21:07] <jphilips> @bluesabre: ^^
[21:30] <ochosi> we had something like this a while ago
[21:30] <ochosi> even shipped it with xubuntu by default
[21:30] <ochosi> but it became rather unmaintainable after a while
[21:30] <ochosi> gtk3 theming changed too rapidly...
[21:41] <jphilips> ochosi: any thoughts of shipping different greybird variants with xubuntu, so people have more options to customize the look, but still keep the overall greybird theme?
[21:42] <ochosi> if someone else wants to do the work, why not
[21:43] <ochosi> in the past we also maintained multiple themes (blackbird, bluebird, albatross) but it all become too much maintenance
[21:43] <jphilips> yep was thinking to ship those
[21:43] <jphilips> there were some other variants on xfce-look, that i thought about as well
[21:43] <jphilips> https://www.xfce-look.org/p/1151106/
[21:43] <jphilips> https://www.xfce-look.org/p/1016027/
[21:44] <jphilips> if you think they are good enough variants
[21:44] <ochosi> from my pov "just shipping" is not enough
[21:45] <ochosi> i would only ship themes that someone in the team maintains
[21:45] <ochosi> or can maintain
[21:45] <jphilips> are there any others in the team who do themes?
[21:45] <ochosi> otherwise you have to point people to xfce-look if they have issues with themes
[21:46] <ochosi> nope, not really, which is why i cut my own work on themes down
[21:46] <ochosi> the focus shifted to coding and fixing bugs
[21:47] <ochosi> greenbird -> greybird-geeko
[21:47] <jphilips> greybird-geeko only changes the blue highlight to green
[21:47] <jphilips> the theme doesn't go beyond that from upstream greybird
[21:49] <ochosi> not sure what greenbird does
[21:50] <ochosi> in any case, i don't have time for theming atm..
[21:51] <jphilips> of course
[21:54] <jphilips> greenbird does make changes to the panel color and window borders, but there is definitely something broken about it - https://imgur.com/VGroHlR.png
[21:55] <ochosi> hah, that means it doesn't support *your* version of gtk3 or something like that
[21:55] <ochosi> so anyway, sounds like it's not a candidate for inclusion..? :)