[00:35] <FutureRich> hello, it is ok to use 8GB ram with new ubuntu?
[00:37] <M_aD> FutureRich: 8Gb is sufficient enough
[00:38] <M_aD> FutureRich: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements#Recommended_Minimum_System_Requirements
[00:58] <FutureRich> thanks how can i know my cpu?
[01:00] <Bashing-om> FutureRich: It is unclear what you ask - Can you restate the question, please.
[01:01] <FutureRich> cpu info?
[01:01] <M_aD> FutureRich: lscpu
[01:02] <FutureRich> my cpu is only 'Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-6100U CPU @ 2.30GHz'. then it is too late?
[01:02] <M_aD> no, it's good enough to use Ubuntu with
[01:03] <FutureRich> ah
[01:03] <FutureRich> very good
[01:15] <DrKK`> i3-6100 is a very nice CPU.
[01:15] <FutureRich> it is not i3-6100 but i3-6100u
[01:15] <DrKK`> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooh
[01:15] <DrKK`> right
[01:16] <M_aD> FutureRich: the link i gave are just the recommended minimum requirements to run ubuntu on, so you're fine.
[01:16] <FutureRich> thanks it is better to upgrade ram to 16GB?
[01:18] <M_aD> FutureRich: as i said 8GB is sufficient enough and together with the CPU Ubuntu will run fine. Again, you're good to go with those specs....
[01:18] <FutureRich> thanks M_aD :)
[01:19] <M_aD> just install ubuntu if you haven't done so already
[01:19] <FutureRich> i installed new ubuntu already
[01:19] <M_aD> and you're welcome :)
[01:19] <M_aD> well then, have fun with it
[01:20] <FutureRich> thanks
[02:25] <Hammerhead2010> HI all, I have had this problem for years and have just decided to see if any else has it, while using SCP from the command line if at any point I hit the tab key, like to tab complete a path, the command line freezes for say 3-4 minutes. Left alone it will come back but take its sweet time. Anyone else?
[02:26] <mason> Hammerhead2010: DNS issue.
[02:26] <mason> Hammerhead2010: Should only be a minute in the worst case, though.
[02:27] <Hammerhead2010> If it were a cisco router I would agree, how do you know that?
[02:27] <Hammerhead2010> I guess I could strace scp but other than that..
[02:27] <mason> Hammerhead2010: Ask yourself what's happening when you tab complete.
[02:27] <mason> And sure, strace would probably highlight it pretty well.
[02:28] <Hammerhead2010> I am getting a blank stare from my self. jk I would assume it's was trying to find the path??
[02:28] <mason> Note that you want to strace your shell, not scp.
[02:29] <Hammerhead2010> complete the path
[02:29] <mason> Hammerhead2010: Right, but tab completion includes hosts.
[02:29] <Hammerhead2010> I will give that a shot and see what happens. Thanks Mason.
[02:29] <mason> I mean, maybe really marginal storage could do the same thing, but that wouldn't be your only symptom.
[02:30] <mason> Hammerhead2010: Sure thing. Also, FWIW, maybe zap bash-completion and start a new shell, and see if it *doesn't* happen there.
[02:30] <Hammerhead2010> even better, could try zsh or any of the others.
[02:30] <mason> If it's DNS look-ups from hostname completion that might not matter.
[02:31] <mason> Hammerhead2010: You can also maybe set aside your known_hosts file, as I think that's a source it uses to look up completions. Just guessing there.
[02:31] <mason> Hammerhead2010: If it's not DNS, I'd be curious to know what it was if you solve it.
[03:43] <tatertots> Hammerhead2010: simple to rule that out....are you using ssh/scp with a IP or a name
[03:43] <tatertots> Hammerhead2010: ?
[03:44] <tatertots> Hammerhead2010: does it happen when using IP address?
[03:50] <luiserebii> Hello, around two weeks ago, my screen brightness stopped working on Ubuntu 20.04, as in, I can adjust the bar, but the screen doesn't change. Also, GNOME Night Light stopped working, I'm willing to be they're the same issue. Has anyone faced something similar?
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> luiserebii: wich kernel version please?
[03:53] <mason> tatertots: scp will tab complete hostnames even if you haven't done anything to indicate one yet
[03:53] <luiserebii> lotuspsychke: I think it's 5.4.0-40-generic, based on `uname -r`
[03:53] <luiserebii> *lotuspsychje, sorry
[03:54] <mason> tatertots: Experiment: scp .bashrc and hit tab a couple times, and examine the list.
[03:55] <mason> Not sure this should actually do lookups, of course, but random pauses are almost always DNS somewhere along the line.
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> luiserebii: did you have this on previous kernels too?
[03:57] <luiserebii> I'm not sure; since I freshly installed 20.04, I haven't been aware if the kernel has updated, before when I was on 16.04, I think this had happened, but I had fixed it by reinstalling my graphics drivers, I think. I tried to do reinstall the graphics drivers this time around also, but it doesn't seem to have worked, though I can try it again
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> luiserebii: could you pastebin your dmesg plz?
[04:10] <luiserebii> lotuspsychje: sure https://pastebin.com/Ui2Hbzgy
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> luiserebii: ah, your secureboot is enabled, this can influence hardware in some cases, could you try booting with secureboot disabled please?
[04:13] <luiserebii> Sure, I will disable it and return to see what happens then
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> luiserebii: tnx
[04:21] <luiserebii> lotuspsychje: wow. I'm so confused. I disabled Secure Boot, booted back in, and yes, the problem has corrected itself. I can modify screen brightness, Night Light is working, and some other software that was broken before is working now.
[04:21] <luiserebii> I don't know if these details help, but there is something else that changed when this behavior started happening
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> luiserebii: glad it worked out
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> luiserebii: you can check your new dmesg if you like, after secureboot=off mostly it straights problems out
[04:22] <luiserebii> I have a triple-boot setup, and two of the OS installations are Ubuntu, and they also happened to swap places in GRUB
[04:22] <luiserebii> I see
[04:23] <luiserebii> Do you have any ideas as to why the other Ubuntu install works perfectly with Secure Boot on? (it was really just one of them that started having this issue)
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> luiserebii: well it really depends on the hardware combo too, with a locked kernel, things can lock in some cases
[04:27] <luiserebii> lotuspsychje: hmmm, ok, I think I understand. The other install would fail to come back if I closed the laptop lid and reopened it later, I guess from hibernation, do you think this might have been related? I'm tempted to go check to see if it works now haha
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> luiserebii: well, hibernate issues can also come from another corner too, aka ACPI problems
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> !acpi | luiserebii
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> luiserebii: for example your dmesg shows your asus bios is from 2015, its always wise to check if your bios is up to date to latest to avoid acpi problems
[04:30] <luiserebii> lotuspsychje: thank you for the link, this really helps, I'll look at it
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> welcome luiserebii
[04:32] <luiserebii> lotuspsychje: It might have had something to do with the strange way I set things up: the first install (the one I'm currently on that just had the issue), when installing, I had selected the simpler option of just installing Ubuntu alongside with Windows. When I decided to make the second installation, I shrunk that partition down and manually made three paritions after it; /, one for swap, and /home, and installed the second
[04:33] <luiserebii> there. I figured this might be a useful detail to maybe mention; did I botch that installation somehow? I regret not manually making those partitions, since I'm not sure how the simpler option works
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> luiserebii: oh well for dualboot layouts im not your man, you might talk to EriC^^ our uefi wzard :p
[04:37] <luiserebii> lotuspsychje: Ahhh, ok. I wish I knew more about these topics, not sure how to learn more. I will test things out and check out the link soon! Thank you again :D
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | luiserebii for dualboot
[04:40] <luiserebii> lotuspsychje: Ahhh, thanks, I will read this also!
[04:56] <bloodfart> My SD card is not detected, even when it is plugged in. It got corrupted really badly when my os crashed on it. It doesn't even show it exists when I run lsblk. Are there tools for ubuntu that can fix it?
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> bloodfart: journalctl -f and plug in your sd, the pastebin us the errors please
[05:01] <parsnip> why doesn't `apt-get build-dep weechat` install libgcrypt20-dev, etc.
[05:02] <parsnip> how do i get all those -dev stuff automagically, like more of a neat one-liner?
[05:02] <parsnip> greetings, by the way.
[05:06] <bloodfart> lotuspsychje: Okay, will do
[05:07] <bloodfart> Damn I thought that would of worked..
[05:33] <bloodfart> I was reading a forum after I pasted this "mmc1: error -110 whilst initialising SD card" it is still being detected...
[06:19] <bloodfart> This is what my sd card is doing https://pastebin.com/MiSZ6vaH
[06:32] <b100s> hi2all; in case of having 3 and more language inputs, how can I set up hotkey to switch only betwen two last used? example for macos: https://askubuntu.com/questions/871678/how-can-i-quickly-switch-between-two-out-of-multiple-languages
[08:33] <[Pokey]> Heyo, is there any way I would be able to copy my Windows color calibration profiles over to Ubuntu?
[09:12] <joufflu> sup nerds
[09:17] <nbusrone> May I know how to add a customize right click arrow to show "open with other application" like older ubuntu release to new 18.04 or 20.04 ? Some photo image having mulitiple application to open rather than choosing with open application , I would like to have a arrow and drop down list to choose.
[09:18] <joufflu> so i installed 20.04 with the experimental ZFS... anything I should know
[09:22] <nbusrone> Does anyone understand my question ?
[09:26] <nbusrone> An example : I need to open with other application on a file https://i.imgur.com/BMjPjUA.jpg but on previous older version https://i.imgur.com/RhgEczQ.jpg I can "open with" arrow and choose the application I wanted . How to customize it to return the arrow to for choosing ?
[09:30] <_crows12_> cd ..
[09:49] <nbusrone> It looks like nemo able to do the job
[10:00] <CoDeAmRo> hey guys i have 3 questions and i need an answer please
[10:03] <CoDeAmRo> 1. i have Intel® HD Graphics 400 (BSW) how can i increase vram for gaming on my ubuntu
[10:05] <CoDeAmRo> 2. how can i install epsxe 32 bit playstation emulator on my ubuntu
[10:07] <CoDeAmRo> 3. when i insert a usb stick on my ubuntu laptop it wont open but it opens normally on windows machine
[10:14] <nbusrone> CoDeAmRo : your order is wrong , you should install epsxe first at the set your vram at epsxe.3 terminal "lsusb" to see whether your usb is detected
[10:33] <isene> On Ubuntu (20.04) - what VIM package to install to have both clipboard functioning with X, +Ruby and +Python?
[10:34] <nbusrone> If anyone know some graphic design or photo editing , I hope someone can explain those gamma brightness and contrast since I can't find any answer on google.
[10:40] <nbusrone> Really no one active at this time ?
[10:41] <Boi> ello
[10:43] <Boi> love ubuntu
[10:59] <tomreyn> nbusrone: if your questions are generic regarding graphic design and photo editing (they seem to be), I'd recommend using !alis to find a more suitable place to ask the questions. there is always a chance you'll find one about the very application you're using.
[10:59] <tomreyn> !alis | nbusrone
[11:03] <tomreyn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_correction and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrast_(vision) seem related to your topic, if just remotely to your operating system.
[11:05] <Boi> anyone know how to create a windows iso via terminal
[11:10] <tomreyn> Boi: are you asking how to create a bootable windows 10 installer from an .iso file provided by Microsoft? woeusb (not in ubuntu) is supposed to support this.
[11:11] <Boi> yes bro i am
[11:11] <Boi> i need to add redhat drivers to it
[11:11] <tomreyn> not a bro here, this is a smelly pink unicorn
[11:11] <Boi> fml
[11:11] <Boi> server 19
[11:12] <tomreyn> this sounds like either a windows or a redhat question, while this channel is called #ubuntu
[11:12] <Boi> i prefer ubuntu tho
[11:12] <Boi> ive got 3 ubuntu servers
[11:12] <Boi> rip 18 y u fk up mail n shit
[11:13] <guiverc> Boi, please grow up
[11:13] <Boi> i cant im 24
[11:13] <Boi> I am very serious about this ISO.
[11:14] <Boi> This ISO means the world to me.
[11:14] <Boi> Exchange looks like a wonderful software that I would love to install on a Windows Sevrer.
[11:14] <Boi> Server.*
[11:14] <tomreyn> then it should help that you got a serious answer. no need to discuss it to length, here, though.
[11:15] <Boi> destroyed
[11:15] <gurki> Boi: why would you need a redhat driver during setup?
[11:15] <gurki> storage drivers can be added via some usb stick during setups, everything else can be added after setup is complete
[11:15] <Boi> cloud services my friend
[11:16] <gurki> thats not answering my question
[11:16] <Boi> i need virtio drivers because its a redhat kvm
[11:16] <Boi> but i am in hospital
[11:16] <gurki> so add them during setup?!
[11:16] <Boi> and the internet is evil
[11:16] <gurki> you dont need to include them into the iso
[11:17] <gurki> (you technically could, but its a lot more complicated)
[11:17] <tomreyn> !offtopic | Boi gurki
[11:17] <Boi> i tried a program, the file is too large
[11:17] <gurki> i have to agree this is neither ##windwos nor ##windows-server *g*
[11:17] <Boi> 5gb
[11:17] <Boi> *g*
[11:18] <Boi> brb need this smoke
[11:20] <mra90> I have connected two linux machines via crosover ethernet cable, assigned IPs on both ends and it sort of work, however sometimes IP assignemt gets removed and in the same time I can see a pop up message "Authentication failed"
[11:20] <mra90> how can I disable this authentication?
[11:25] <Boi> jesus christ
[11:25] <tomreyn> this person doesn't seem to be around.
[11:27] <tomreyn> mra90: can you show a screenshot of the pop up message? which ubuntu release is this, which software / frontend did you use to configure the network interface? does the message popo up on both systems?
[11:28] <elias_a> Yes, quite other channels. Kick Boi away.
[11:29] <Boi> :/
[11:29] <mra90> I shows up for a short while only and then IP is removed. One machine is ubuntu second is chromeOS terminal mode
[11:29] <mra90> so tomreyn it shows only on ubuntu since second machine is in terminal mode
[11:30] <mra90> but IP is removed on that other machine
[11:30] <mra90> how to disable authentication from command line?
[11:30] <nbusrone> tomreyn : sorry for late reply
[11:31] <nbusrone> tomreyn : my question is about xrandr
[11:31] <nbusrone> tomreyn : before this i need to know about gamma and brightness setting
[11:31] <nbusrone> tomreyn : I hope you can have a look.
[11:32] <nbusrone> tomreyn : At the image,https://i.imgur.com/2TFGdhP.jpg on nvidia setting ,
[11:32] <nbusrone> When I lower the Birhgtness to -50 https://i.imgur.com/FfCPFhJ.jpg and -1 value https://i.imgur.com/2TFGdhP.jpg of the Nvidia setting graph line lower top and bottom equaly but when I lower the brightness , the graph line only gets lower at the top and not equal.https://i.imgur.com/xoO4mTz.jpg and reduce to none https://i.imgur.com/9q7ofeI.jpg only flatten the graph compare to nvidia setting.
[11:32] <nbusrone> May I know what is the reason behind ? what is the different ? I need some photo expert to explain.Thanks
[11:35] <tomreyn> mra90: it's not clear what kind of authentication is being used, this is why i suggested posting the screenshot and discussing how you configured the network interface on ubuntu
[11:36] <mra90> tomreyn, but this popup message doesn't say what authentication is it
[11:36] <mra90> it just says "authentication failed"
[11:36] <tomreyn> mra90: if, for example, you used the network-manager GUI to configure the network interface - there's a tab for configuring authentication there, i think.
[11:36] <mra90> ifconfig ETH_NAME_HERE 10.0.0.X netmask 255.255.255.0
[11:36] <mra90> tomreyn, ^ this is how I configured it
[11:37] <mra90> X is 1 or 2 depending on machine
[11:39] <tomreyn> nbusrone: i don't think i can help there, haven't used this software (nvidia x settings) before
[11:40] <tomreyn> mra90: which ubuntu version is this?   lsb_release -ds
[11:41] <tomreyn> mra90: do you run a graphical desktop on the ubuntu system?
[11:41] <mra90> 18,04,4 LTS
[11:41] <mra90> tomreyn, yes
[11:42] <tomreyn> mra90: open the network configuration screens for this network interface, and go to where you can edit the ip address.
[11:42] <mra90> yes I am there now
[11:42] <mra90> security is OFF
[11:42] <tomreyn> mra90: are you on a window with tabs and the current tzab is "identity"?
[11:42] <tomreyn> okay, that would have been my next question
[11:43] <mra90> yes is there anything I can in "Identity" tab?
[11:43] <tomreyn> so 802.1x Security is off on the Security tab, right?
[11:43] <mra90> yes
[11:43] <mra90> the question is if it is ON on the other machine
[11:44] <mra90> but there I have only terminal
[11:44] <tomreyn> probably not, but then i don't know this other OS.
[11:44] <nbusrone> tomreyn : yeh , if you remember i am able to find and set xrandr brightness perment but but only brightness are being set , and it looks awful which like contrast is missing , worry i messing up i though of finding the real reason behind nvidia color graph line.As for contrast using xcalib but i worry i get mess with the integer number.
[11:44] <mra90> its linux
[11:44] <mra90> so I need some command to check it
[11:45] <tomreyn> mra90: it'S a linux derivate, yes. not one supported in #ubuntu, though, but it may have its own channel you could find with !alis
[11:45] <mra90> they don't
[11:45] <mra90> and I think this part is common for all linux derivatioves
[11:45] <tomreyn> there's also ##linux, may be worth a try
[11:46] <nbusrone> tomreyn : is there a nvidia channel around here ?
[11:46] <tomreyn> i think they key to solving this problem is looking at your logs and understanding what (which software) pops up this 'authentication error/failed' message
[11:47] <tomreyn> mra90: ^
[11:47] <tomreyn> nbusrone: i don't know, have you asked alis about it?
[11:47] <mra90> sure
[11:47] <mra90> thanks tomreyn
[11:47] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[11:52] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:56] <mra90> tomreyn, sorry I mad a mistake
[11:56] <mra90> made*
[11:57] <mra90> the error message is because the external eth card disconnects on on end
[11:57] <mra90> it has nathing to do with authentication of any sort
[11:59] <tomreyn> mra90: okay. so a screenshot could have helped there.
[12:00] <tomreyn> glad you identified the problem, though
[12:05] <frad> sudo mkvmerge -o output-file.mkv --split parts:00:00:04-00:03:22 'a child'.mkv mkvmerge v48.0.0 ('Fortress Around Your Heart') 64-bit returns 'The file 'a child.mkv' could not be opened for reading: open file error. Is this a problem of mkvmerge or something else?
[12:08] <nbusrone> tomreyn : thanks found #nvidia , hoping someone will reply :)
[12:10] <artix_live_1> sup
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> Kaan: welcome, what can we do for you?
[12:11] <Kaan> my bad, thought this was general chat :)
[12:12] <kostkon> !support
[13:02] <[Pokey]> Hi there, is there an EQ panel for 20.04?
[13:06] <peter22222> hi folks... on ubuntu 20.04, i have problems with the virtual printer "boomaga" .
[13:20] <meleh> Hello I have problem with installing matploitb, there is freetype2 which i installed through brew. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CVymJwYsTH/
[13:21] <meleh> It says it cant find - " freetype: no  [The C/C++ header for freetype2 (ft2build.h)                            could not be found.  You may need to install the                            development package.]"
[13:24] <quem> what's the most reliable dlna server out there? minidlna crashes too often these days for me.
[13:31] <tomreyn> meleh: see my reply in #xubuntu
[13:31] <tomreyn> !ask | peter22222
[13:32] <tomreyn> !details | peter22222: sorry, this rather
[13:36] <peter22222> ubottu tomreyn sorry guys.. ok.. boomaga is in official repos, version 3.0.0. I installed it and tried to add printer. The program works by itself fine, i can open pdf and rearrange.. but it is not possible to use it as a virtual printer any more as it worked before in ubuntu 18.04. I get error message: [Boomaga GUI] ERROR: Can't start boomaga gui.
[13:39] <tomreyn> peter22222: which ubuntu version are you running there?   lsb_release -ds
[13:39] <peter22222> ubuntu 20.04
[13:39] <tomreyn> oh you wrote this before, sorry
[13:39] <peter22222> no problem  :-)
[13:40] <tomreyn> peter22222: this error message you get, is this printed on a temrinal or on the graphical desktop itself, as a separate window?
[13:43] <peter22222> tomreyn when i click print and select boomaga (after manually adding), nothing happens, so i went to printer GUI and there is this error message...
[13:51] <tomreyn> peter22222: hmm, i see. can you run "boomaga" from a terminal? and when you do, what does it report? copy + paste to https://paste.ubuntu.com and share the link here)
[13:55] <peter22222> tomreyn i can run it from gui launcher and from terminal, but it seems the CUPS is not allowed to start it if i print from e.g. libreoffice...
[13:57] <peter22222> tomreyn boomaga 2>&1 https://pastebin.com/QqghGxvp
[14:10] <tomreyn> peter22222: hmm, this *could* be apparmor related. if so, you'd see audit messages about it in system logs (journalctl -f    for logtail or journalctl -eb    to see what was logged rcently)
[14:11] <tomreyn> peter22222: other than that i'd check ubuntu's bug tracker, as well as the developers' own bug tracker about it.
[14:11] <peter22222> tomreyn... maybe waiting till ppa for focal is available and upgrading then
[14:12] <peter22222> thanks for your help :-)
[14:12] <tomreyn> boomaga is a community maintained package - those are usually imported from debian (who also have a bug tracker you can check), and are not always as well maintained as packages in the ubuntu 'main' archive section
[14:19] <tomreyn> peter22222: this might also help identifying the source of the problem: https://github.com/Boomaga/boomaga/wiki/Debugging
[14:20] <peter22222> thank you tomreyn, i ll check that out
[14:22] <peter22222> W [12/Jul/2020:14:49:27 +0200] [Job 1822] [Boomaga GUI] WARNING: Can\'t read DBUS session direcory /var/spool/cups/tmp/.dbus/session-bus
[14:22] <peter22222> E [12/Jul/2020:14:49:27 +0200] [Job 1822] [Boomaga GUI] ERROR: Can\'t start boomaga gui.
[14:24] <nbusrone> Anyone using nvidia x server setting for brightness control ? did anyone set the brightness before ?
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> peter22222: just tested it on 20.04, works like a charm on my side
[14:24] <peter22222> lotuspsychje did you print from libreoffice?
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> peter22222: no, just tested launch
[14:26] <peter22222> lotuspsychje the program itself works, i can open pdfs with it and print it, but it doesnt work as a virtual printer (for printing from another program like libreoffice)
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> peter22222: tell me the steps you are trying please?
[14:27] <tomreyn> peter22222: this bug report quotes the same error message, but i'm not sure it'll hel. it does seem like a bug in either the software itself or the way it is built for debian / ubuntu
[14:27] <tomreyn> https://github.com/Boomaga/boomaga/issues/79
[14:27] <tomreyn> hel -> help
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: are you still hunting that brightness bug you affected to?
[14:29] <peter22222> tomreyn very interesting link. i guess you are absolutely right
[14:33] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : yeh , it looks like at nvidia channel doesn't seem to respond so I would like to ask here where whether someone did a test on brightness issue.
[14:34] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : #nvidia , seems like no one is active currently.
[14:41] <frad> sudo mkvmerge -o output-file.mkv --split parts:00:00:04-00:03:22 'a child'.mkv mkvmerge v48.0.0 ('Fortress Around Your Heart') 64-bit returns 'The file 'a child.mkv' could not be opened for reading: open file error. Is this a problem of mkvmerge or something else?
[14:42] <peter22222> tomreyn i set cupsctl to debug-logging... i got this: https://pastebin.com/1nX8uHbm
[14:49] <peter22222> frad maybe try rename 'a child.mkv' to a_child.mkv
[14:49] <shurdeek> hello
[14:52] <shurdeek> I'm trying to boot the cloud image as a nfs root (and PXE). Unfortunately I don't know what cmdline parameters to use so that it works. The longer story is that I want to be able to run diskless clients with overlay root filesystem. I've been doing that by modifying the desktop iso image. This works, but it is difficult to automate deployment and customisation. I thought using cloud-init with the cloud image may be better, but the boot g
[14:52] <shurdeek> ets stuck on initrd shell
[14:52] <shurdeek> I use ubuntu 18.04
[15:01] <shurdeek> hmm it looks like I had a typo and that's why it wasn't working ...
[15:02] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : everytime i set my lcd screen to turn off after idle 10 minutes , once i resume the brightness get reset.It consistent where the Kernel assign for color/brightness control overwrite the brightness control on nvidia driver.
[15:05] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : I am nstill newbie , I don't know what is the 18.04 kernel use for own brightness control.xbacklight ? and I found  xrandr command can set brightness.I really want someone to help to find which color control keep on overwrite nvidia control.There is no log to search for color control.
[15:06] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : I would like to ask , how to find birghtness control on the system log ? minimum I can find out which interferes with the nvidia setting.
[15:09] <finnwww> Why does the Ubuntu live USB have only 4GB of space? How am I supposed to install brunch on that?
[15:11] <jeremy31> finnwww: That might be RAM
[15:12] <finnwww> Are you sure? How can I temporarily store things on my SD card?
[15:20] <jeremy31> finnwww: If you put an ISO on the USB without doing persistence, it will normally load into RAM
[15:21] <finnwww> Mm
[15:33] <jessequinn> hey guys, i am really struggling to get this to work on ubuntu 20 - i want to cronjob a backup of a folder and email it. i have the following  tar cvf - /wwwroot | gzip > /tmp/backup.tar.gz | uuencode /tmp/backup.tar.gz | mail -s "directory backup on $(date)" somemail@gmail.com it is sending a noname file of 33 bytes. basically not working. Any ideas how to get this to work?
[15:36] <frad> thanks peter22222
[16:03] <TJ-> jessequinn: too many " | " pipes; you want some shell &&'s I think
[16:04] <TJ-> jessequinn: I suspect what you want is "tar cvf - /wwwroot | gzip > /tmp/backup.tar.gz && uuencode /tmp/backup.tar.gz | mail -s "directory backup on $(date)""
[16:05] <TJ-> jessequinn: or  "tar cvf - /wwwroot | gzip > |  uuencode | mail -s "directory backup on $(date)" " if you don't want a temporary file
[16:05] <TJ-> oops, typo!
[16:05] <TJ-> jessequinn: or  "tar cvf - /wwwroot | gzip |  uuencode | mail -s "directory backup on $(date)" " if you don't want a temporary file
[16:06] <TJ-> and another oops, gzip needs to know to use stdin/stdout
[16:06] <TJ-> jessequinn: or  "tar cvf - /wwwroot | gzip - |  uuencode | mail -s "directory backup on $(date)" " if you don't want a temporary file
[16:08] <Elw3> Hey, does anyone know why connecting to the internet calls apt-get automatically? I mean what file does this cause?
[16:09] <jeremy31> Elw3: check update frequency in Software and Updates
[16:09] <jessequinn> @TJ- let me test, thanks btw
[16:10] <Elw3> Uhrg, i removed every gui config tool already.
[16:10] <TJ-> Elw3: "grep . /etc/apt/apt.conf.d./*"
[16:11] <jessequinn> TJ- using "tar cvf - /wwwroot | gzip - | uuencode | mail -s "directory backup on $(date) someemail" sends no attachment
[16:12] <TJ-> jessequinn: try each part in turn in a "/bin/sh" shell and check if uuencode is spitting out what you expect
[16:13] <jessequinn> is there anyway to pipe the tarball into mutt as an attachment. - to answer your question - just sits "processing" the tarball is just 9MB
[16:13] <Elw3> I dont see any setting relevant to that TJ-
[16:14] <Elw3> point is apt is called, actively called. So its not an apt setting.
[16:16] <TJ-> Elw3: there's a service being triggered when network-online target is hit
[16:17] <Elw3> I am new to this sevice stuff, how do i find and delete that?
[16:20] <jessequinn> TJ- yah uuencode just "sits" i have no point of reference but it has been 5 minutes to encode a 9MB file?
[16:22] <TJ-> jessequinn: Ctrl+C ... looks like the help and man page don't reflect how it now works! this seems to show it doesn't do what it says with stdin/stdout: "echo test | uuencode"
[16:23] <TJ-> jessequinn: seems you need to do the same as gzip and use "uuencode --base64 - "
[16:25] <TJ-> Elw3: I'm not sure where it is; I don't see anything that triggers on network-online.target. Are you sure this only happens when the Internet connection is established? There *is* an unattended-upgrades package and option that triggers are boot-time, and some apt daily upgrade timers
[16:28] <Elw3> I deleted all of the upgrade packages, all apt references in the systemd folders so i was expecting it to stay calm. But then i noticed it in top again so i renamed the binary and replaced it with a wrapper that notifies me. So yes it gets caled exactly at each reconnect.
[16:30] <TJ-> Elw3: what Ubuntu release is this? are you using ifupdown, NetworkManager, or systemd-networkd ?
[16:30] <Elw3> Where are the target files again? I only find one of the folders and there it is not.
[16:30] <TJ-> Elw3: I think I recall something like that for ifupdown
[16:35] <rfm> For NetworkManager there's  /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d, which will run stuff in /etc/network/if-*.d/
[16:38] <Elw3> looks like /etc/network/if-up.d is the cause.
[16:40] <Elw3> Know what, gonna delete everything in that. Lets see if i really need it.
[16:40] <oft_gegong> is there a program to test xbox controller input?
[16:41] <Elw3> Doest that work with the normal joustick tool?
[16:41] <TJ-> Elw3: I don't see anything apt related for that directory on 20.04
[16:41] <Elw3> Well i am on 18.04.
[16:42] <TJ-> Elw3: be aware you'll be breaking things by removing package-installed files
[16:42] <Elw3> Obviously they removed it cause they where already systemd services for that.
[16:43] <Elw3> kinda used to breaking stuff, lets see. brb
[16:46] <Elw3> Well nothing broke it seems.
[16:47] <Elw3> All unnecessary stuff, further more less cpu usage on boot.
[16:51] <Elw3> Thanks TJ- i probably would have never found this file by myself.
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> !cron | jessequinn can this help?
[17:04] <jayjo> What's the best way to update an offline machine with updated packages? I am looking at apt-offline. What's the sig file here? Are there other tools that can archive the dependencies of a debian repo in order to install via the network or a USB drive later?
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> jayjo: are you looking for a driver, or you want a full system update?
[17:08] <TJ-> jayjo: it needs Python I think. "apt-offline set airgapped.sig --update --upgrade --install-packages package-i-need" then "apt-offline get airgapped.sig --bundle airgapped.zip" then move airgapped.zip to the other PC and do "sudo apt-offline install airgapped.zip"
[17:45] <jessequinn> Tj- yes base64 works, but does not attach a file but rather fills the body with base64
[17:46] <TJ-> jessequinn: that'd be a function of mail I guess; maybe you want uuencode to output to a file then tell mail to attach that?
[17:52] <jessequinn> yah that is what i am looking at
[17:54] <TJ-> jessequinn: if you're really lucky "mail -a -" would read stdin for the attachment! but I'd guess you'll need to do ... | uuencode --base64 - /tmp/attachment.b64 && mail -a /tmp/attachment.b64 -s " ...
[18:09] <peter22222> hi folks, when i upgraded to ubuntu 20.04, i cannot launch gimp any more: GEGL version too old!
[18:09] <peter22222> GIMP requires GEGL version 0.4.22 or later.
[18:09] <peter22222> Installed GEGL version is 0.4.18.
[18:09] <peter22222> Somehow you or your software packager managed
[18:09] <peter22222> to install GIMP with an older GEGL version.
[18:09] <peter22222> Please upgrade to GEGL version 0.4.22 or later.
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> peter22222: i just installed gimp, it seems to pull libgegl-0.4-0:amd64 (0.4.22-3) automatic here
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> no apt complaints here
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> peter22222: system up to date?
[18:12] <peter22222> yes system is up to date
[18:12] <peter22222> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1244737/gegl-version-too-old-error/1247359
[18:12] <peter22222> i tried this already, but without success
[18:13] <jayjo> TJ-: thanks a lot... what is "sig" here. A signature of the repos required? At first I though it was a signing signature that I needed to generate on the offline machine
[18:13] <jayjo> is it just a list or a metadata of the archive?
[18:14] <jayjo> or is it a signature? Does it ensure the packages have not been modified?
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> peter22222: its the gimp version from you installed right?
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> *apt
[18:15] <peter22222> i was on 18.04, i installed gimp from ppa source mentioned above. before upgrading, uninstalled gimp and uninstalled the ppa. after upgrade to 20.04 i installed gimp from repos
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> peter22222: did you sucessfully ppa purged the ppa's before the apt install?
[18:16] <peter22222> i tried apt purge gimp, apt reinstall gimp.. deleted .config/GIMP...
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> peter22222: could you check your sources.list to doublecheck, or sources.list.d
[18:17] <peter22222> lotuspsychje i just found the solution... I reinstalled the ppa from otto-kesselgulash, made a sudo ppa-purge ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/gimp, then installed gimp again from repos... and now... it s working...LOL
[18:17] <jessequinn> TJ- now i just get an error uuencode fatal error:
[18:17] <jessequinn> fserr 2 (No such file or directory) performing 'freopen of stdin' on -
[18:19] <jessequinn> tar cvf - /wwwroot/ansible/ | gzip - | uuencode -m - /tmp/test.tar.gz produces that error
[18:19] <jessequinn> which i dont understand. shouldnt that just output to the file test.tar.gz?
[18:19] <TJ-> jessequinn: hmmm, looks like "-" and an output path don't go together!
[18:19] <TJ-> jessequinn: the uuencode help isn't very good
[18:19] <jessequinn> yes, exactly
[18:20] <jayjo> actually some of the stuff I see does recommend generating a signature on the offline box: "You generate a signature on your Debian box at home and carry the signature file on a removable medium" ... but what if the machine does exist yet? I.e. virtual or being newly provisioned ?
[18:20] <TJ-> jessequinn: try "... | uuencode -m - > /tmp/test.tar.gz && ..."
[18:21] <TJ-> jayjo: sorry, I missed your question! the 'sig' is, from what I can determine, a list of what needs updating/upgrading which the 'get' command executes
[18:21] <TJ-> jayjo: we had to use it this week whilst generating new GPG keys on an airgapped LiveISO boot for enrolling yubikeys
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> +1 peter
[18:22] <TJ-> jayjo: turned out the Yubico instructions to work offline hadn't been tested offline by them and some packages needed installing!
[18:22] <jayjo> TJ-: that'x exactly what I'm doing!
[18:22] <TJ-> jayjo: you're getting the benefit of our headaches figuring that process out then!
[18:22] <TJ-> jayjo: I'm supposed to have written it up but haven't had time as yet
[18:23] <jayjo> Wow do I appreciate it. My learning curve with yubikeys, smartcards, and readers has been steep
[18:23] <jayjo> mainly CCID -> NFC headaches, but that's not for now
[18:24] <jayjo> if you are using an airgapped new installation, do you just get that sig from any VM that runs that AMI, and it would then work on any fresh installation?
[18:25] <dasy2k1> hi all im struggling to install a PPA, as far as i can see its loading the PPA but i cant find any of the contents
[18:25] <TJ-> jayjo: I'm not sure what this AMI is? I used a brand new laptop without an OS install and booted it via a 20.04 USB LiveISO
[18:27] <jayjo> OK, but should that 20.04 Live USB without any modifications return the same sig?
[18:28] <TJ-> jayjo: then I generated new keys for each person in turn, using gpg --homedir /media/xubuntu/${FSUID}/$username
[18:28] <jayjo> so then whether I used a Live USB from a different physical USB in the future, as long as I was using 20.04, the same archive would be installable ?
[18:28] <TJ-> jayjo: I was using another, regular, 20.04 Xubuntu PC to run the set/get
[18:29] <TJ-> jayjo: Could have done that inside an LXD container of course
[18:29] <TJ-> jayjo: you can use "apt-offline --release $RELEASE ..." to use a different release source
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> dasy2k1: we actually advice to install software from the official repos, or snaps instead of ppa's
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> dasy2k1: wich package are you trying to get?
[18:31] <dasy2k1> lotuspsychje,  the latest version of Chirp (radio programming software)
[18:32] <coconut> I have a messy set of iptables rules. Any easy way to change that to the default?
[18:32] <dasy2k1> lotuspsychje, comes as a PPA or by python compile which fails due to being unable to find python-serial
[18:37] <TJ-> dasy2k1: which Ubuntu release? it'd likely want python3-serial
[18:38] <dasy2k1> TJ 20.04 focal
[18:38] <dasy2k1> TJ-, focal cinnamon respin
[18:40] <dasy2k1> TJ-, i have python3-serial installed but when i try and run the python file i get ImportError: No module named serial
[18:40] <TJ-> !info python3-serial | dasy2k1
[18:40] <TJ-> dasy2k1: sounds like the Python script you're running is invoking python2 not python3
[18:41] <dasy2k1> TJ-, could be
[18:41] <dasy2k1> TJ just founded it as a flatpak so will try that
[18:56] <newbwomanjaro> How can I find out if my laptop can produce an image with more resolution than the laptop screen, like on a second monitor? HP Probook 455 born 2016
[18:56] <newbwomanjaro> ^^^ not so newbie on 20.04
[18:58] <TJ-> newbwomanjaro: do you mean the modes the GPU can support if they're available on the display?
[18:59] <Elw3> Maybe panning can show that, but that tells nothing about what the actual port can output.
[19:01] <TJ-> I can't think of any tool that shows the GPU capabilities although maybe there's some 'CTRC' thing to show max frequencies
[19:01] <TJ-> or even CRTC !
[19:02] <Elw3> Problem is that resolution alone changes with refresh rate, color depth etc.
[19:02] <dasy2k1> TJ-,  done some more research apparently its not yet avalable fror focal yet
[19:02] <TJ-> dasy2k1: aha!
[19:02] <tomreyn> newbwomanjaro: i guess i'd refer to the hardware specifications
[19:09] <d0ub1ew> hi
[19:10] <d0ub1ew> do u use telegram-cli?
[19:10] <d0ub1ew> anyone?
[19:11] <d0ub1ew> k :\
[19:41] <white_magic> can someone advise on how to resolve a broken set of apt packages? I caused this problem by trying to install emacs as a newly created ubuntu user. Right now, I have these packages returned by 'dpkg -l': emacs emacs-bin-common emacs-el emacs26 emacs26-common emacsen-common. I've backed up all the emacs-related files I care about so I wouldn't mind wiping all emacs dependencies out and then reinstalling from scratch
[19:41] <white_magic> I tried 'sudo apt-get install 'f' and similar common fixes
[19:47] <white_magic> stack overflow saved the day https://stackoverflow.com/questions/57895073/how-remove-emacs-full
[19:56] <JohnDoe9304> Hello. I am GLAT agent. Contact me to purchase a license for GNU/Linux ($99 single user, $49 volume).
[19:58] <coconut> JohnDoe9304, also this channel is wrong for that JohnDoe9304
[19:58] <JohnDoe9304> coconut: Why? Ubuntu is GNU/Linux distribution.
[19:59] <akik> JohnDoe9304: you don't need a license for it. you're a scammer
[19:59] <coconut> JohnDoe9304, because this is considered spam here
[19:59] <jeremy31> !ops | JohnDoe9304 spam
[19:59] <coconut> in ALL channels btw
[19:59] <JohnDoe9304> I am unable to join ##linux unfortunately
[20:00] <akik> was that for real?
[20:00]  * RikMills shrugs
[20:00] <RikMills> spam or troll, they are toast
[20:01] <white_magic> he appeared to be dedicated to the art of trolling
[20:01] <coconut> yeah, really someone who does not know what stupid people are
[20:03] <dasy2k1> wonder why he is banned from #linux
[20:03] <coconut> prob because he does not listen
[20:04] <dasy2k1> yeh, that and not getting the concept of foss
[20:04] <coconut> weird isn it
[20:14] <SrPx> I've asked this a long time ago, but I wonder if there is an answer now, so: is there any way to run a game on a desktop Ubuntu machine with a very good GPU, but play it on my Ubuntu ultrabook with an integrated GPU?
[20:19] <coconut> SrPx, you want to run a game on your laptop while using the gpu from another pc? Prrrrt, that is not something i have seen... But never say never. Might be someone else do know this.
[20:20] <SrPx> I want to play the game on my XPS 13 laptop (more comfortable), but it doesn't have a good GPU. But I do have a great GPU on my desktop. So I wonder if I do it somehow.
[20:20] <oerheks> integrated gpu, could be anything, from onboard intel, to addon card
[20:20] <oerheks> depends what gen intel..
[20:21] <SrPx> Or in other words, can I use my desktop's GPU as an eGPU for my notebook?
[20:21] <oerheks> err no
[20:22] <coconut> hmmm, latest intel integrated gpu's are quite powerful i think
[20:22] <oerheks> even with vnc/screen ove ssh, it will be a drag
[20:22] <coconut> SrPx, apple does have external gpu's for their macs (just saying)
[20:23] <oerheks> oehhh, those are cruel good, over usbC
[20:23] <Elw3> So game streaming SrPx ?
[20:24] <Elw3> There are a few programs for that.
[20:29] <jessequinn> TJ- i got it to work with mutt  // tar cvf - /wwwroot | gzip > /tmp/backup.tar.gz && echo "backup of /wwwroot" | mutt -a /tmp/backup.tar.gz -s "directory backup on $(date)" -- someemail@gmail.com
[20:32] <SrPx> Elw3: yea but it seems like none works with linux as the host
[20:32] <Elw3> SrPx there is https://github.com/irtimmer/moonlight-embedded for example, but the describtion says its windows to linux...
[20:32] <Elw3> Ah...
[20:32] <SrPx> except steam but then it is kinda crappy
[20:33] <SrPx> well
[20:33] <SrPx> i wonder if using parsec would work from a windows vm inside my linux desktop?
[20:34] <Elw3> I wonder if there arent already simple commands for that.
[20:35] <Elw3> X can very well send windows over the network.
[20:35] <Elw3> But apparently very few know how that works.
[20:35] <SrPx> Really? That would be amazing. Why I can't find more about it? argh
[20:36] <Elw3> Well x windows render are no graphic card render, you might recieve a grey blob, but at least the mouse/keyboard input should work.
[20:37] <Elw3> And then couple that with a video stream maybe?
[20:39] <Elw3> Try x forwarding with ssh, lets just try what happens. There are plenty of how to on the web for that.
[20:43] <oerheks> a game forwarding, interesting.. static text is no problem.. but a 60 fps screen...
[20:43] <SrPx> exactly
[20:43] <SrPx> i want it so much because that will allow me to have ubuntu as the main OS of the desktop, no dual boot windows
[20:43] <SrPx> no more resets etc
[20:44] <Elw3> This actually sounds pretty easy https://evpo.wordpress.com/2017/03/04/opengl-hardware-acceleration-through-remote-x11-ssh-connection/
[20:45] <oerheks> .. and using the local graphics card for rendering.
[20:45] <Elw3> Too bad my tower has no wifi, so i cant play around with that.
[20:45] <oerheks> that is what he wants to avoid
[20:45] <Elw3> Ohh
[20:45] <tatertots> SrPx: if video games are a priority, any additional layers of complexity placed in between will degrade performance
[20:45] <Elw3> I overread that
[20:46] <tatertots> SrPx: for optimal performance you want as little additional layers of complexity in between the computer, it's OS and the video game itself as possible
[20:47] <SrPx> oerheks: oh, good point. So that definitely won't work.
[20:48] <tatertots> SrPx: sure you can attach 30x drinking straws together to drink from a cup 20 feet/meters away....side effect is you'll be sucking harder and have muscle additional muscle fatigue from drinking that way as a result
[20:48] <SrPx> again the problem is simple, I have a RTX 2080 TI on my desktop and I want to play games on my Ubuntu laptop, without having to install Windows on my desktop
[20:48] <SrPx> I'll keep trying things and let you know
[20:48] <tatertots> SrPx: with that having been said.....K.I.S.S
[20:49] <SrPx> tatertots: how would you keep it simple?
[20:49] <SrPx> the only simple answer I can think of is "just buy a fucking gaming notebook" :P
[20:49] <SrPx> which again, perhaps is what I should do TBH
[20:50] <tatertots> SrPx: lol...accept the gaming performace that they laptop you chose to purchase can provide.....not good enough for you???...go sit in fron of your RTX 2080 and Windows 10
[20:50] <tatertots> simple
[20:51] <tatertots> or as a alternative that is also "simple" ......buy a laptop with a GTX/RTX discrete GPU
[20:53] <coconut> ... or wait on the new playstation, which will be released this year iirc
[20:54] <pymagic> is anyone here using livepatch? pros/cons of using it in production systems?
[20:55] <oerheks> excellent, for production machines, LTS that is
[20:55] <pymagic> oerheks, how much does it cost?
[20:56] <oerheks> the spice - like tool is a breeze, just for 1 kernel ofcourse
[20:56] <oerheks> 3 machines on your ID
[20:56] <pymagic> oerheks, for 25 VM machines?
[20:56] <oerheks> no. for such quantity contact canonical
[21:15] <risho> is anyone here familliar with zfs and zsys on ubuntu?
[21:19] <Bashing-om> risho: The tutorials: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/zfs-focus-on-ubuntu-20-04-lts-blog-posts/16355 .
[21:20] <risho> i'm already decently familliar with zfs my only question is if I add an additional dataset to my pool will it break zsys or cause problems?
[21:43] <tomreyn> it's an experimental feature, so experiment
[21:46] <risho> that is a non-answer. either adding your own datasets is an intended or supported usecase or it isn't
[21:46] <risho> saying "who knows dude. try it out. you'll either lose your data or you won't" isn't very useful support
[21:47] <tomreyn> i'm just making sure you're aware of your support status.
[21:50] <Kiwis> okm I'm debugging some docker ubuntu images... with cmd /bin/bash they don't start but with /lib/systemd/systemd they do
[21:50] <Kiwis> why ?
[21:58] <oerheks> use the CMD directive in the Dockerfile. https://askubuntu.com/questions/938869/docker-run-ubuntu-bin-bash-vs-docker-run-ubuntu
[21:59] <sunsabre> hi
[21:59] <sunsabre> need help w bluetooth
[22:00] <Elw3> Ask the question
[22:01] <sunsabre> i cant get it to recognize
[22:01] <sunsabre> when i do hcitool dev
[22:01] <sunsabre> it doesnt show up
[22:02] <Elw3> Do other bluetooth devices work?
[22:03] <frad> how do I save all pictures from any given webpage not saving one by one?
[22:03] <Elw3> wget can do that frad
[22:05] <sunsabre> no
[22:05] <sunsabre> i cant turn bluetooth on
[22:06] <Elw3> So your bluetooth device isnt working at all?
[22:06] <Elw3> Is that an usb stick or an inbuild card?
[22:07] <Kiwis> oerheks bedtijd ;)
[22:07] <Kiwis> oerheks no I needed -i -t :)
[22:09] <Kiwis> oerheks you also forgot the h in front of your name :P
[22:17] <guzzlefry> Is there a website that allows me to check package versions for a given Ubuntu version?
[22:18] <bashcu> hi everyone
[22:18] <bashcu> greetings from costa rica
[22:19] <bashcu> iḿ studing python and i wider if ubuntu have some develop apps for newbies
[22:19] <bashcu> and in python :)
[22:19] <bashcu> *wonder
[22:19] <Elw3> guzzlefry the repo can be opened with a browser
[22:20] <Elw3> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[22:20] <bashcu> some directions please, and thanks :)
[22:20] <guzzlefry> ok great, thank you
[22:21] <Elw3> like what for example bashcu ?
[22:22] <bashcu> anything , than i can understand
[22:22] <bashcu> *everything jajaja
[22:22] <Elw3> You need a text editor and python, there isnt much more.
[22:22] <bashcu> i install ATOM
[22:25] <bashcu> i used gnome-builder too, with a gnome-music project is in python , but is to advance for my level rigth now, i continue studing , i jus wondering if some apps like gnome-music, less hard i can find in ubuntu
[22:27] <Elw3> Are you trying to learn coding or are you enjoying yourself clicking random buttons?
[22:27] <Kiwis> wow, docker is FAST! on my old 1TB external USB disk on a Vbox VM :)
[22:29] <bashcu> i'm trying to grow up my professional life, before i just admin and install operative system, i don't like too much codig, until covid-19
[22:29] <deus402> i'm not sure if this is normal or not, but i'm running ubuntu 18.04, and date always replies with the date/time in UTC, my timedatectl output looks like this: https://termbin.com/hpw98 is this normal? is there a way to change it to give report my local time so i'm not constantly having to do math to figure out when things happened in logs and such? for example, looks like my zpool is going to
[22:29] <deus402> resilver in a couple hours from now, heh: https://termbin.com/8t9f
[22:30] <mason> deus402: echo TZ ?
[22:31] <mason> deus402: TZ will override the default
[22:31] <deus402> # echo $TZ
[22:31] <deus402> America/Chigago
[22:31] <oerheks> is this a dual boot?
[22:31] <deus402> no
[22:32] <oerheks> oke, windows does like to mess up time too
[22:32] <mason> deus402: Are you running ntpd or similar?
[22:33] <mason> deus402: And what's /etc/localtime pointing to?
[22:33] <deus402>  > /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago
[22:34] <deus402> how do i check if ntpd is running?
[22:34] <deus402> # systemctl status ntpd
[22:34] <deus402> Unit ntpd.service could not be found.
[22:34] <mason> deus402: All of that looks normal. I'd not expect date to give you anything but CDT.
[22:34] <mason> deus402: which date    ?
[22:34] <deus402> same
[22:34] <mason> And how are you invoking it?
[22:35] <deus402> just typing date at the command line
[22:35] <mason> What's 'which date' return?
[22:35] <deus402> > /bin/date
[22:36] <deus402> but basically everything is just reporting the time in UTC
[22:36] <mason> oh, duh, your timedatectl showed systemd-timesyncd running.
[22:37] <mason> deus402: does 'tail /var/log/syslog' also show UTC dates? And has the box rebooted since the time zone was set?
[22:38] <deus402> https://termbin.com/uu46
[22:38] <mason> deus402: And... Is there any chance the clock is just way, way off? That seems unlikely, but clearly something unexpected is happening.
[22:38] <mason> Ah, so it's logging in CDT as desired.
[22:39] <deus402> or... thats 5 hours old from when i rebooted
[22:40] <mason> alright, then please issue 'logger test right now' and repeat the termbin exercise
[22:41] <deus402> https://termbin.com/89no8
[22:41] <deus402> ok, so that is in local time
[22:41] <mason> Right, so it's logging in CDT now.
[22:41] <mason> deus402: Reboot and any lingering processes will start with a fresh conception of time, but you're probably fine if logging and cron know what time it is.
[22:41] <deus402> that's even more baffling to me then.
[22:42] <mason> deus402: You have to know what's going on under the hood. :P
[22:43] <deus402> so since we basically changed nothing and it IS logging in local time, why is zpool status showing utc?
[22:43] <deus402> https://termbin.com/cw9o
[22:43] <mason> reboot and it'll correct its notion of time - clearly time is set properly now for new processes
[22:43] <deus402> and >date is still returning utc
[22:43] <mason> deus402: One more though... what's dmesg -T | tail show you? Local or UTC?
[22:44] <deus402> https://termbin.com/m0jo
[22:44] <deus402> shows me the future lol.
[22:44] <mason> In any event, date shouldn't be returning UTC. Very odd. I'd verify that it's the right binary, uncorrupted, not replaced, etc.
[22:45] <mason> deus402: Is this inside vmware or something? If so, make sure the hypervisor isn't mangling guest time.
[22:46] <deus402> nope, bare metal
[22:47] <mason> I'd want to reboot. Logging has it right, but it's not consistent with kernel or your date output.
[22:48] <Bashing-om> deus402: To check your settings: timedatectl .
[22:48] <mason> Bashing-om: he did: https://termbin.com/hpw98
[22:48] <deus402>  my timedatectl output looks like this: https://termbin.com/hpw98
[22:49] <Bashing-om> narasimha: deus402 Looks sane also to me ... hummmm .
[22:49] <deus402> mason, how would i check my binary? or just download the right one and replace it anyway?
[22:50] <mason> deus402: get a checksum on another system, verify it - I'd not start chasing that stuff until I saw your system continue to misbehave after a reboot
[22:50] <deus402> https://termbin.com/oap0
[22:50] <mason> deus402: In short, if your binaries give you completely inexplicable behaviour, make sure they haven't been compromised, however you're most comfortable doing that.
[22:51] <deus402> looks normal enough to me
[22:51] <deus402> mason: i rebooted earlier today, and I haven't changed anything since.
[22:51] <deus402> also, system is remote and doesn't like to play nice with remote reboots.
[22:52] <mason> I'd still reboot again. Your logging and timedatectl match. Now let's see if everything else does as well.
[22:52] <mason> Ah, no IPMI or remote console otherwise?
[22:52] <deus402> nah, just a normal consumer mobo being asked to do more than it was probably meant to.
[22:53] <mason> Well. The disparity is as confusing to me as it is to you, but it's notable that timedatectl and logging both seem to be doing the right thing.
[22:55] <deus402> ok, i got someone at the console now for a reboot, iirc, the gui is also reporting the wrong time
[22:55] <deus402> *reporting utc time
[22:55] <mason> deus402: My guess is that whatever the cause, you're going to come back with everything reporting the right time.
[22:56] <mason> deus402: If not, I'm happy to help dig deeper.
[22:56] <deus402> i'd bet a beer against that lol, but here we go.
[22:56] <deus402> is there a preferred method to remotely reboot? both 'sudo shutdown -r now' and 'sudo reboot' don't come back ever.
[22:57] <mason> sudo shutdown -r now is more polite
[22:57] <deus402> done
[22:58] <deus402> got a human standing by in case it needs power cycled.
[23:00] <deus402> ok, came back
[23:01] <deus402> https://termbin.com/05jjr
[23:01] <tomreyn> mason: $ echo $(lsb_release -ds; readlink -f $(which reboot); readlink -f $(which shutdown))
[23:01] <tomreyn> Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS /bin/systemctl /bin/systemctl
[23:02] <tomreyn> i'm not sure there's a lot of difference anymore between "shutdown -r" and "reboot" in systemd times
[23:02] <deus402> https://termbin.com/lm3y
[23:02] <blue1> well I am old school so i do a sudo init 6
[23:02] <mason> tomreyn: Better hygiene for folks that might admin multiple sorts of system. The BSDs still have the traditional behaviour.
[23:03] <mason> deus402: Logging still in the expected CDT, or has that moved to UTC as well?
[23:04] <blue1> 111F here today.
[23:04] <mason> 30°F cooler here and it was still too hot
[23:04] <deus402> https://termbin.com/oci0
[23:05] <mason> deus402: See? Everything's deadly consistent now. :P
[23:05] <deus402> haha
[23:05] <mason> deus402: So, at this point I'd wonder if something copied a zone onto /etc/localtime and overwrote your UTC, except that it seemed to say the right thing in timedatectl.
[23:05] <mason> deus402: Can we have a new timedatectl please?
[23:06] <deus402> i suppose check that again
[23:06] <deus402> yep
[23:06] <deus402> https://termbin.com/rcwl
[23:08] <mason> deus402: For kicks, can you sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata on the box?
[23:08] <MikeRL> Have disabled power saving on my intel networking card on 20.04. Want to post to forums on it. but what command would I want for all network card related info?
[23:09] <MikeRL> Sorry typing on phone sucks. Will fire up computer but didn't want to initially do this tonight.
[23:09] <deus402> mason: done
[23:09] <deus402> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Th2WPXRzrp/
[23:13] <mason> deus402: Can you maybe grab strace -ftttTvyyo /tmp/borken-date.trace -s 4096 date     and share the borken-date.trace file on a pastebin?
[23:13] <mason> It's grasping at straws, mind you, but I'd love to see how it differs from a similar box here.
[23:14] <deus402> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/JHwGCtzqp5/
[23:15] <mason> deus402: I mean, share the resulting /tmp/borken-date.trace and there's no need to run it with sudo
[23:15] <deus402> derp
[23:15] <mason> maybe run it again without sudo, and clear out the initial output file first
[23:15] <deus402> https://termbin.com/yoju
[23:16] <deus402> without sudo: https://termbin.com/jgdf
[23:16] <mason> looking
[23:19] <mason> deus402: see PM
[23:25] <mason> Got it.
[23:25] <mason> deus402: 1718  1594595762.387214 openat(AT_FDCWD, "/usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chigago", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) <0.000010>
[23:26] <deus402> ok, so whats the fix then?
[23:26] <mason> deus402: your dpkg-reconfigure tzdata might have fixed it - ls -l /etc/localtime again
[23:26] <mason> deus402: I have to believe that was following your /etc/localtime link, but checking more carefully.
[23:27] <deus402> wut:  /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Africa/
[23:27] <mason> That seems as wrong as "Chigago"
[23:27] <deus402> oh damn i still missed that
[23:28] <mason> deus402: Something's funny with your zone information. I don't see it trying to look at /etc/localtime, where it should be trying that.
[23:29] <deus402> shouldn't timedatectl have fixed that though?
[23:30] <deus402> err
[23:30] <mason> Nah, most of the systemd stuff is just goop piled atop the actual system utilities.
[23:30] <deus402> the dpkg-reconfigure
[23:30] <mason> that one should have fixed it
[23:30] <mason> Did you choose America/Chicago there?
[23:31] <mason> Looks like you did.
[23:31] <mason> deus402: Worst case, and this should not be necessary, you can say, as root:
[23:32] <deus402> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/NCBM9kJhqV/
[23:32] <mason> rm /etc/localtime ; ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago /etc/localtime
[23:33] <deus402> i'm not scared lol, do it?
[23:33] <mason> Yeah, worst case is your time look-ups are funny.
[23:33] <mason> And they're funny already.
[23:34] <deus402> it's done
[23:34] <mason> deus402: That's an exceedingly odd error to have, though, and I'd be a little worried about how that ended up being the way it is.
[23:34] <mason> deus402: date working now?
[23:35] <deus402> nope
[23:35] <deus402> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Hr5CbT7kBg/
[23:36] <mason> deus402: What's cksum /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago say?
[23:36] <mason> Should be 2797502607 3585 /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago
[23:37] <deus402> date has been borked since install, i _have_ fumbled my way through several internet search solutions
[23:37] <deus402> 2797502607 3585 /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago
[23:40] <mason> deus402: Unclear what the issue is. timedatectl and /etc/localtime both seem right, and your system clock seems right from what we can see.
[23:41] <deus402> is it possible the bios clock is somehow borking things up?
[23:42] <mason> Don't think so. It looks right.
[23:42] <mason> see more PM
[23:44] <MikeRL> What could cause WiFi to fail a few seconds after startup though?
[23:44] <MikeRL> I mean in general