[00:00] <DanW58> i can write my own specification.  There are no tools, as far as I've been told before. Alacarte and MenuEdit are GNOME apps.
[00:01] <wxl> they're not GNOME apps, they're GTK apps, which means you can use them, as long as you don't mind all the extra GTK libraries that come with them
[00:01] <DanW58> Not Qt compatible.  Learned the hard way.
[00:02] <wxl> they can't make use of the qt libraries but if you have lxqt there's no reason you can't use them
[00:02] <wxl> in fact, you will see them mentioned in that issue, which is within the lxqt project banner
[00:02] <DanW58> Alacarte was a disaster;  it seemed to be editing, but all the changes were lost, never made it to the menu.  So I was asking questions in forums;  somebody told me that app is not for Qt environments.
[00:04] <wxl> yeah that's probably speculation and random grasping at straws, if that
[00:05] <DanW58> But besides, I'm used to, in Windows, to use the main manu as a bookmarks place;  I'd put links to C++Annotations pdf files next to C++ environments, under a C++ submenu, under Programming, for example;  not just applications.
[00:06] <wxl> so maybe it might make more sense to create a plugin for the panel that can do just that
[00:07] <wxl> so it would consist, essentially, of categoried shortcuts
[00:08] <DanW58> Exactly.  More general.  As a newbie, my experience of Linux is not terribly positive yet;  looks pretty, but a lot of things I've been installing via muon don't appear in the menu;  those that do end up in folders like Other...
[00:09] <wxl> it's a problem with the applications
[00:09] <DanW58> Plug-in?
[00:09] <wxl> there are plenty of windows programs out there that have the same problem
[00:09] <wxl> they're just not developed by microsoft
[00:09] <DanW58> I don't care to point fingers.  I want to improve the experience.
[00:09] <wxl> yes. every part of the panel is a plugin. i think the official lxqt terminology is widget
[00:10] <wxl> i'm not pointing fingers, but setting expectations appropriately
[00:10] <wxl> linux is a whole different paradigm
[00:10] <DanW58> Not all windows apps insert themselves in the menu, either, but in Windows it's super easy;  just drag and drop.
[00:10] <wxl> for better or for worse
[00:10] <wxl> and one thing to think about: that could be a pro, and to someoene else it might be a con
[00:10] <Munsko> for better in most all of the cases
[00:11] <wxl> so tl;dr go create yourself an issue in lxqt-panel in the upstream github to essentially announce your idea and start working on it
[00:12] <DanW58> I can't imagine someone would complain about having the *ability* to drag and drop in the menu.
[00:12] <wxl> you, my friend, are in for some surprises :)
[00:13] <wxl> this is why i suggest making a totally separate plugin. it will reduce the controversy
[00:15] <DanW58> It's a disability culture? :-D
[00:15] <DanW58> Okay, how do I get started.  I'm not on github.  Never done development in posix circles.
[00:15] <DanW58> I used SVN at one time.
[00:16] <wxl> forget the whole posix thing; github is owned by microsoft :)
[00:16] <DanW58> Holy smokes!
[00:17] <DanW58> I thought these were separate universes.
[00:17] <wxl> you should understand that github is not just a version control system (that's what *GIT* is, which is comparable to svn), but it's a much larger ecosystem that includes project management and issue tracking tools, etc.
[00:17] <wxl> really??????????
[00:17] <wxl> you don't know about WSL???????
[00:17] <DanW58> Never heard of WSL
[00:17] <wxl> https://ubuntu.com/wsl
[00:18] <wxl> or maybe you prefer the ms branded version https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10
[00:18] <wxl> on azure, linux is always the #1 used os, so ms decided maybe by partnering with linux they'd have more friends than enemies
[00:19] <wxl> one of the last linux confs i went to had an ms team there that sponsored one of the evening events. they were also celebrating the new release of debian linux, apparently.
[00:19] <Munsko> so the enemy is here?
[00:20] <wxl> the enemy is the malice that lurks inside
[00:22] <Munsko> were i can see more activity about the distro?
[00:22] <wxl> lubuntu?
[00:22] <Munsko> yes
[00:22] <Munsko> i only see support topics in the forum, askubuntu is full of support too
[00:22] <Munsko> here theres no much
[00:23] <wxl> well askubuntu is ONLY about support
[00:23] <wxl> that's all it's for
[00:23] <wxl> we don't announce too much in the forum
[00:23] <Munsko> that's right,yes
[00:23] <wxl> the phabricator instance is where you can see activity happening
[00:24] <Munsko> i see
[00:24] <Munsko> i found the right tab now
[00:24] <wxl> :)
[00:24] <Munsko> i was seeing a message saying last actualization 489 days ago lol
[00:26] <DanW58> I'm back?
[00:27] <DanW58> Am I back in?
[00:28] <Munsko> y
[00:30] <DanW58> Ah, good;  got kicked out by some weird timeout.  I just copied the whole conversation into a text file so I don't lose the links;  that was scary.  New to Quassel IRC too...
[00:34] <Munsko> somebody knows how the function key that up and down the volume can lock my entire keyboard?
[00:34] <Munsko> some time ago i was having a problem with that, needed to log off and come back again
[00:35] <Munsko> and found that the problem comes out because the volume keys, and that if i press again that function shortcut it becomes ormal again
[00:35] <Munsko> but i dont know where i could find what causes that problem
[01:05] <guiverc> DanW58, FYI:  if you want/need to look back at prior conversations (for links etc), everything is logged, eg. https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2020/07/14/%23lubuntu.txt  (HTML version with colors available too)
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[06:41] <lubot> <totallynotavirus> How to report a bug?
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[07:40] <guiverc> @totallynotavirus, use `ubuntu-bug <package>` where <package> is the name of the package you've found an issue for, use https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/ if you need help identifying package name
[08:31] <lubot> <totallynotavirus> @guiverc> @totallynotavirus, use `ubuntu-bug <package>` where <package [<guiverc> @totallynotavirus, use `ubuntu-bug <package>` where <package> is the n …], Thank you.
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[13:29] <ph88> how should i install the virtualbox guest additions iso ??
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[13:53] <lordbob> I just put lubuntu 18.04 32bit on my dad's 15 year old laptop, .99gb ram, Pentium M 1.73GHz
[13:54] <lordbob> (he's lordbob, I just wanted to embarrass him if he came to the chat with questions)
[13:54] <lordbob> she's slow, but she's on her feet
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[17:26] <lubot> <tbs61> @lordbob [<lordbob> (he's lordbob, I just wanted to embarrass him if he came to the chat w …], hahaha, good job:D
[17:26] <Bombo> hi
[17:29] <Bombo> i want to use a different theme for sddm, so i installed sddm-theme-maya but how do i enable it? i found /etc/sddm.conf.d/kde_settings.conf there it says Current=lubuntu i changed that to Current=maya, restarted sddm, but nothing changed
[17:32] <lubot> <tbs61> what s sddm?
[17:32] <Bombo> the display manager
[17:33] <Bombo> where you type your password
[17:34] <lubot> <tbs61> i dont remember hot to customize that one
[17:46] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> @kc2bez [Follow this link to learn how to report bugs: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/], i red this over and over … but there's no explaination whatsoever if the complete os crashes … I have the log file ready but no place to show it to the developers … So what do i do?
[17:47] <lubot> <tbs61> i checked pling.com now, it also doesnt install themes auto for login managers
[17:47] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> @Michaël Van Bogaert [i red this over and over … but there's no explaination whatsoever if the complete …], I want to file a bug … but nog package related … It's system related
[17:49] <lubot> <tbs61> @Michaël Van Bogaert [I want to file a bug … but not package related … It's system related], idk much but i still want to check, … if you downloaded it via torrent or checked your iso file? … did you try installing again after making bootable usb again? … is everything okay when you use live usb mode?
[17:51] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> @tbs61 [idk much but i still want to check, … if you downloaded it via torrent or checked …], Iso was checked using md5sum … i installed more than 20!!! times over and over again … live mode I only used to install
[17:52] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> @Michaël Van Bogaert [<reply to image>], `not a paid` … search brings you to the bug
[17:53] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> It happend several times in an evening … doesn't matter which packages are running … but it's always network related
[17:53] <lubot> <tbs61> lets see what pro guys would say here, they helped me a lot before
[17:54] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> I can play Civilization 6 for hours … but browsing the web or using zoom … crashes my system … I cannot ssh into it while it's freezed
[17:54] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> @tbs61 [lets see what pro guys would say here, they helped me a lot before], thank you
[17:59] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> @Michaël Van Bogaert [<reply to image>], it also crashes without Teamviewer installed … the weird thing is … Teamviewer is mentioned but i never started it
[18:19] <Bombo> now i'm trying to configure lightdm
[18:19] <Bombo> pkexec /usr/bin/lightdm-settings
[18:19] <Bombo> but i get 'Error executing command as another user: Not authorized'
[18:20] <Bombo> does this work for anyone?
[18:20] <diogenes_> Bombo, pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY  appname
[18:22] <Bombo> diogenes_: nope
[18:23] <diogenes_> Bombo, then you might want to write a policy for that.
[18:25] <diogenes_> oh wait do you even have gnome polkit installed?
[18:25] <Bombo> lightdm-settings comes with /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.x.lightdm-settings.policy
[18:26] <Bombo> there is mate-polkit installed
[18:27] <Bombo> apt search gnome-polkit found nothing
[18:31] <diogenes_> policykit-1-gnome
[18:31] <Bombo> ii  policykit-1-gnome                             0.105-7ubuntu2
[18:31] <Bombo> yes
[18:33] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> [ 5452.475990] watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 23s! [keepassxc:79682]
[18:33] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> @Michaël Van Bogaert [[ 5452.475990] watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 23s! [keepassxc:7968 …], so … it's keepassxc that crashes the system? 🧐🤔
[18:38] <lubot> <aptghetto> @Michaël Van Bogaert [so … it's keepassxc that crashes the system? 🧐🤔], You can purge keepassxc from your system and check, if the crashes still occur. … Check also, if you have any files under /var/crash … If the crashes still occur, you might have a hardware problem.
[18:42] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [You can purge keepassxc from your system and check, if the crashes still occur. …], thanks for the reply … what do you think about these lines out of /var/log/syslog.txt?
[18:42] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: Finished Network Manager Wait Online. … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: Reached target Network is Online. … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: Starting Tool to automatically collect and submit kernel crash signatures... … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: S
[18:42] <lubot> tarting TeamViewer remote control daemon... … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: Started crash report submission daemon. … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: kerneloops.service: Found left-over process 3173 (kerneloops) in control group while starting unit. Ignoring. … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: This usually indicates u
[18:42] <lubot> nclean termination of a previous run, or service implementation deficiencies. … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: Started Tool to automatically collect and submit kernel crash signatures. … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren whoopsie[3168]: [18:23:17] Using lock path: /var/lock/whoopsie/lock … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: teamviewer
[18:42] <lubot> d.service: Can't open PID file /run/teamviewerd.pid (yet?) after start: Operation not permitted … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: Started TeamViewer remote control daemon. … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: Reached target Multi-User System. … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: Reached target Graphical Interface. … Jul 14 1
[18:42] <lubot> 8:23:17 michael-toren whoopsie[3168]: [18:23:17] The default IPv4 route is: /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/ActiveConnection/1 … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: Starting Update UTMP about System Runlevel Changes... … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren whoopsie[3168]: [18:23:17] Not a paid data plan: /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/ActiveConnec
[18:42] <lubot> tion/1 … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren whoopsie[3168]: [18:23:17] Found usable connection: /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/ActiveConnection/1 … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: systemd-update-utmp-runlevel.service: Succeeded. … Jul 14 18:23:17 michael-toren systemd[1]: Finished Update UTMP about System Runlevel Changes. … Jul 14 18:23:17 m
[18:42] <lubot> ichael-toren systemd[1]: Startup finished in 15.162s (firmware) + 3.818s (loader) + 3.206s (kernel) + 6.151s (userspace) = 28.337s.
[18:45] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [Please use some paste service to share logfiles], https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9gvyDTH8zx/
[18:45] <lubot> <aptghetto> See also `man 1 pastebinit`
[18:48] <lubot> <aptghetto> To filter the logs, you can use `journalctl -b -1 -p err` for the previous boot log. It shows only errors or with `-p warning` errors and warnings.
[18:50] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [To filter the logs, you can use journalctl -b -1 -p err for the previous boot lo …], https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d3TKqMCHhc/
[18:51] <lubot> <aptghetto> I don't use teamviewer, so I cannot really help you to solve the problems there. The rest of it looks normal.
[18:52] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [To filter the logs, you can use journalctl -b -1 -p err for the previous boot lo …], https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NpHDJwnBFv/
[18:52] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [I don't use teamviewer, so I cannot really help you to solve the problems there. …], it also occurs without Teamviewer installed
[18:54] <lubot> <aptghetto> The initramfs unpacking failed error should not be problematic, you can ignore it. … If you use the proprietary nvidia driver, this could also be the source of your problems. … But from the log files, the primary suspect is keepassxc.
[18:54] <lubot> <aptghetto> Did you have teamviewer installed?
[18:56] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [Did you have teamviewer installed?], I have 2 drives in my system …  a Lubuntu with Teamviewer installed an one without it (the last one is already wiped) … And I had the same log in /var/log/syslog … but without Teamviewer in it
[18:56] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> @Michaël Van Bogaert [I have 2 drives in my system …  a Lubuntu with Teamviewer installed an one without …], https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9gvyDTH8zx/ … this is the log I'm talking about
[19:00] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [The initramfs unpacking failed error should not be problematic, you can ignore i …], I'll try without keepassxc
[19:00] <Bombo> ok for sddm i found this: i dont know where /etc/sddm.conf.d/kde_settings.conf came from, if i remove it and generate a fresh one: sddm --example-config > /etc/sddm.conf.d/foo.conf i can change the theme in that file
[19:01] <Bombo> Current=elarun looks pretty ;)
[19:02] <Bombo> and maledives
[19:03] <Bombo> the pkexec lightdm-settings is still not working
[19:04] <lubot> <aptghetto> @Michaël Van Bogaert [I'll try without keepassxc], You have installed the version from the repository or from a PPA?
[19:09] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> from the repo i guess … i did `sudo apt install keepassxc` … and the system kept it up-to-date (normally 😒)
[19:34] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [You can purge keepassxc from your system and check, if the crashes still occur. …], i have 7 files under /var/crash (to narrow it down 😆)
[19:36] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> (Photo, 1280x273) https://i.imgur.com/y7EwPdR.jpg
[19:38] <lubot> <aptghetto> Check the dates of the files with `ls -l`. If they are not very old, then it looks more like a hardware problem.
[19:39] <lubot> <aptghetto> You should make a memtest during the night (at least 8 hours) and check the hard disks with smartmontools
[19:39] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [Check the dates of the files with ls -l. If they are not very old, then it looks …], oldest is dated from 6/07
[19:39] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> so hardware 😢 … new pc from december
[19:40] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [You should make a memtest during the night (at least 8 hours) and check the hard …], I'll do that
[19:40] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> thank you for your kind help
[19:40] <lubot> <aptghetto> you never know
[19:41] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> can I test a cpu for errors?
[19:44] <lubot> <aptghetto> @Michaël Van Bogaert [can I test a cpu for errors?], https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch001089.htm … Check also all the cables
[19:45] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> @aptghetto [https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch001089.htm … Check also all the cables], tx … I have a lot to do now
[20:39] <lubot> <Michaël Van Bogaert> But some other thing I wanted to share  … My colleagues (also IT men like me) use Ubuntu on their laptop whereas I use Lubuntu … We all have the same laptop  … And yet … I could impress one of them with the Lubuntu installation because of how snappy it is  … And this is because the quality and efficiency from the Lubuntu d
[20:39] <lubot> evelopers … I once brought my desktop from home to work to show it off … (built in dec '19  … - 16GB RAM DDR4 3200 MHz -> to sync it with the AMD fabric clock in their cpu … - Ryzen 5 3600x … - Nvidia 1660Ti Asus ROG-STRIX … - MSI X570-A PRO … - FireCuda ssd 5GB/s PCIe 4.0 … when booted it consumes a laughable 500MB RAM  … Windows can learn a lot f
[20:39] <lubot> rom this … they have to go back to school) … I silenced them with how my machine performs … To me  … Ubuntu is just incredibly bloated compared to Lubuntu … Although I have to figure some things out now … I'm very happy with it
[20:47] <lubot> <F> Is it possible to use plasma multi display switch widget in Lubuntu? Using arandr is tiresome
[23:52] <lubot> <HMollerCl> Someone knows why constantly I get big syslog and kern.log files? 30gb each one on an ssd