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| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 06:35 |
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| duflu | Hi oSoMoN | 07:27 |
| oSoMoN | hey duflu | 07:28 |
| marcustomlinson | hello oSoMoN and duflu | 07:31 |
| duflu | Hey marcustomlinson | 07:31 |
| oSoMoN | hey marcustomlinson | 07:31 |
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| cpaelzer | hey Desktop people, I'm looking for some hints where to actually look at | 07:53 |
| cpaelzer | since the last few weeks my focal desktop slowly gets worse and worse | 07:54 |
| cpaelzer | the lock screen no more auto-locks, if I do it manually the first time it flickers and is back on the desktop (I assume something crashes in the background) the second tmie works | 07:54 |
| cpaelzer | that is already odd, but I can live with it | 07:54 |
| duflu | cpaelzer, that sounds like a bug that just got fixed in gnome-shell 3.36.3 | 07:54 |
| cpaelzer | but recently mouse behavior changed a lot - if in front of a text console the coursor becomes invisible until I click | 07:55 |
| cpaelzer | also "select to copy" no more works everywhere | 07:55 |
| duflu | cpaelzer, make sure the system is fully up to date. If you still have problems then please open a bug by running: ubuntu-bug gnome-shell | 07:55 |
| cpaelzer | the worst is a chrome URL - here not only "select to copy" fails, it even isn't able to copy in any way | 07:55 |
| cpaelzer | right-click there does nothing | 07:55 |
| duflu | Or open multiple bugs. Only one topic per bug | 07:56 |
| cpaelzer | I usually update regularly | 07:57 |
| cpaelzer | gnome-desktop3-data is the only desktop'ish package having an outstanding update | 07:57 |
| cpaelzer | maybe a reboot will get me back | 07:57 |
| cpaelzer | if not I'll file bugs | 07:57 |
| duflu | Generally it takes the details of the attachments in a bug report to figure out | 07:59 |
| duflu | IRC is not a good place for such things | 07:59 |
| cpaelzer | yeah I know, I mostly wanted to ask in case this "right click doesn't even open a context menu to copy anymore" would ting a bell | 07:59 |
| cpaelzer | because if so, then IRC is a good place | 07:59 |
| duflu | That one doesn't ring a bell at all for me | 07:59 |
| Laney | moin | 08:03 |
| duflu | Hi Laney | 08:17 |
| marcustomlinson | hey Laney | 08:47 |
| duflu | Ugh, seems my Nvidia card doesn't do 4K | 09:46 |
| duflu | Now for the usual dance of Nvidia cards not offering low power, low profile and modern architectures all in one product | 09:47 |
| duflu | Also not fitting in my small case | 09:47 |
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| Wimpress | Hello desktoppers | 13:31 |
| oSoMoN | hello Wimpress | 13:31 |
| hellsworth | hiya | 13:31 |
| marcustomlinson | heya | 13:31 |
| Wimpress | #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-07-14 | 13:32 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Jul 14 13:32:23 2020 UTC. The chair is Wimpress. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 13:32 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 13:32 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.36 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/z29JJK3q/gnome-336 | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-07-14 | Current topic: | ||
| kenvandine | o/ | 13:32 |
| Wimpress | Roll call: did_rocks (out), duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, ji_bel (out), kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb_128 (out), tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk | 13:33 |
| Trevinho_ | hey! o/ | 13:33 |
| oSoMoN | \o | 13:33 |
| marcustomlinson | \o | 13:33 |
| hellsworth | \o | 13:33 |
| callmepk | o/ | 13:33 |
| Wimpress | #topic rls-bb-bugs | 13:33 |
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| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 13:33 |
| Wimpress | All clear :-) | 13:34 |
| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html | 13:34 |
| Wimpress | Everything appears to be assigned there. | 13:35 |
| Wimpress | #topic rls-ff-bugs | 13:35 |
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| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 13:35 |
| Wimpress | One bug that James has assigned. | 13:36 |
| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html | 13:36 |
| oSoMoN | if the bug is assigned, it should be accepted and the incoming tag removed, no? | 13:37 |
| Laney | if it wants to be tracked on -tracking | 13:37 |
| Laney | otherwise just the latter | 13:37 |
| Wimpress | You speaking of #1886854 | 13:37 |
| oSoMoN | yes | 13:37 |
| Wimpress | That bug has one reported and James doesn't appear to have worked on yet. | 13:39 |
| Wimpress | So unsure what status should be assigned. | 13:39 |
| oSoMoN | let James comment before next week so it can be reviewed again? | 13:40 |
| Wimpress | OK | 13:40 |
| Wimpress | https://bugs.launchpad.net/deja-dup/+bug/1883254 | 13:41 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1883254 in deja-dup (Ubuntu Focal) "No google authorization when doing a clean restore" [High,Fix committed] | 13:41 |
| Wimpress | Seb uploaded to groovy ^ | 13:41 |
| Wimpress | Thinking we should assign that one to him. Is in progress. | 13:42 |
| Wimpress | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-440/+bug/1874567 | 13:43 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1874567 in mutter (Ubuntu Focal) "[nvidia] Rotating secondary monitor to portrait fails, results in landscape" [Undecided,In progress] | 13:43 |
| Wimpress | Trevinho: Looks like you're working on some of this. | 13:43 |
| Trevinho | Wimpress: yes, I've uploaded a fix for it already + SRUed it | 13:43 |
| Wimpress | Are the reports against the nvidia drivers accurate? | 13:44 |
| Wimpress | Or is it jusat a mutter issue? | 13:44 |
| Trevinho | Wimpress: it's just mutter, so marking as not-fix as well | 13:44 |
| Wimpress | What about g-c-c? | 13:45 |
| Trevinho | the task might have been added while adding focal to the mutter side | 13:45 |
| Trevinho | as well | 13:45 |
| Wimpress | OK, looks like it is all in hand. Thanks :-) | 13:46 |
| Wimpress | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virt-manager/+bug/1872527 | 13:47 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1872527 in spice-vdagent (Ubuntu Focal) "Clipboard doesn't work 100% of the time in Ubuntu 20.04 (in KVM guests)" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 13:47 |
| Trevinho | we said that was handled already, but didn't get any feedback at latest comment | 13:48 |
| Wimpress | Handled how? | 13:50 |
| Wimpress | Is this just a KDE issue? | 13:50 |
| Wimpress | Lots of comments. | 13:50 |
| Trevinho | by server team, looks like there's a PPA for testing, but no feedback wether it works, no? | 13:52 |
| oSoMoN | the spice-vdagent task for focal is incomplete because it lacks a reliable reproducer, it should be expiring soon | 13:52 |
| Wimpress | OK | 13:53 |
| marcustomlinson | but anyway, looks like server has adopted that one | 13:53 |
| Wimpress | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1868660 | 13:53 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1868660 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu Focal) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in st_theme_node_get_icon_style() from st_texture_cache_load_gicon() from st_icon_update() from _g_closure_invoke_va() from g_signal_emit_valist()" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 13:53 |
| Wimpress | That looks like Daniel is on it. | 13:53 |
| Wimpress | Assign Daniel | 13:54 |
| oSoMoN | we don't usually review "fix committed" bugs | 13:54 |
| Wimpress | Ah, OK. | 13:55 |
| Wimpress | Then... Moving on. | 13:55 |
| oSoMoN | (they should definitely have an assignee though) | 13:55 |
| Wimpress | #topic rls-gg-bugs | 13:55 |
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| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 13:55 |
| Wimpress | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1865226 | 13:55 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1865226 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "gdm-smartcard pam config needs to be updated for Ubuntu and installed" [Low,Confirmed] | 13:55 |
| Wimpress | Looks like that needs an owner | 13:56 |
| Trevinho | I can handle that | 13:56 |
| Wimpress | ty | 13:56 |
| Trevinho | not sure if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1865226/comments/4 is a concern though | 13:57 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1865226 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "gdm-smartcard pam config needs to be updated for Ubuntu and installed" [Low,Confirmed] | 13:57 |
| Wimpress | Hmmm. | 13:57 |
| Trevinho | but will look in details, at least I've readers :) | 13:57 |
| Trevinho | (and cards) | 13:57 |
| Wimpress | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1886314 | 13:58 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1886314 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "preinstall `earlyoom` by default" [Undecided,New] | 13:58 |
| marcustomlinson | is that not more wishlist than rls | 13:58 |
| Wimpress | That look like it requires input from Foundations. | 13:58 |
| oSoMoN | FWIW I installed it last week, and I can confirm it works as intended, it regularly kills some chromium renderer processes before my desktop become unusable | 13:59 |
| Laney | that is a foundationsism probably | 13:59 |
| Wimpress | Which FOundations to subscribe? | 14:00 |
| Wimpress | I'll speak to Brian after. | 14:01 |
| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html | 14:01 |
| Wimpress | All assigned ^ | 14:01 |
| Wimpress | #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages | 14:02 |
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| Wimpress | https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages | 14:02 |
| Laney | Just leave it, they'll come back to it in their meeting | 14:02 |
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| Wimpress | OK | 14:02 |
| Wimpress | Just a few in excuses. | 14:02 |
| Wimpress | Anything in there anyone need help with? | 14:02 |
| oSoMoN | Laney, the update_excuses_by_team report says firefox is waiting on firejail/armhf, but it's not (it's blocked on the nodejs build-dep though) | 14:02 |
| oSoMoN | that looks like a bug | 14:03 |
| Laney | I don't maintain that report | 14:03 |
| oSoMoN | Séb does, right? | 14:03 |
| Laney | It also hasn't been updated since 2020-07-10 | 14:03 |
| Laney | soooo | 14:03 |
| oSoMoN | ah, right, that explains it | 14:03 |
| oSoMoN | so there's not much point in reviewing it | 14:03 |
| Laney | guess not | 14:04 |
| Laney | but you know about nodejs, so now is the time to ask for help if youw ant any :> | 14:04 |
| Wimpress | Who can spark that report back into life? | 14:04 |
| oSoMoN | I already requested help in my +1 maintenance report to ubuntu-devel | 14:05 |
| oSoMoN | if anyone on the team feels like helping with fixing node-* autopkgtest, your help will be very welcome :) | 14:06 |
| Wimpress | OK | 14:06 |
| Wimpress | Anything else on excuses? | 14:06 |
| oSoMoN | (details at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2020-July/041086.html) | 14:06 |
| Wimpress | Moving on. | 14:07 |
| Wimpress | #topic AOB | 14:07 |
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| Wimpress | Anyone have anything else they want to raise? | 14:08 |
| Wimpress | OK. Seems like a "no" :-) | 14:09 |
| Wimpress | Thanks everyone. | 14:09 |
| Wimpress | #endmeeting | 14:09 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Jul 14 14:09:40 2020 UTC. | 14:09 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-07-14-13.32.moin.txt | 14:09 |
| Trevinho | thanks | 14:09 |
| oSoMoN | thanks | 14:09 |
| kenvandine | thanks | 14:09 |
| Laney | I have fixed das report | 14:09 |
| marcustomlinson | thanks | 14:09 |
| Wimpress | Laney: No that more interesting :-) | 14:10 |
| Laney | xnox: rbalint: tseliot_: Wimpress: can we create a Brain Trust about in-session prompting to upgrade to OEM enablement packages pls | 14:25 |
| Laney | I dunno how exactly to build this :> | 14:26 |
| Laney | create a timer and some kind of notification system for ubuntu-drivers? | 14:26 |
| Laney | extend unattended-upgrades? | 14:26 |
| Laney | update-manager? | 14:26 |
| Laney | OR? | 14:26 |
| rbalint | Laney, i think for u-u this is very out of scope, but update-manager/update-notifier is a good fit | 14:29 |
| Laney | it doesn't feel "very" out of scope, it is a type of upgrade that we want to happen unattendedly | 14:30 |
| rbalint | Laney, would we target servers as well? | 14:30 |
| Laney | could do I guess, but I don't think there are plans in that directino atm | 14:30 |
| rbalint | Laney, by default u-u installs only from -security and i think OEM enablement would not qualify as security fix | 14:31 |
| Laney | sure, but this is a rule that could change if it were a good idea to do so, I thought you should be tagged in the discussion to decide that | 14:32 |
| Laney | sounds like you already did decide though, so fine | 14:32 |
| rbalint | Laney, i did not set my opinion to stone :-) | 14:33 |
| Laney | ah ok! | 14:33 |
| rbalint | Laney, by in-session i guess you mean in a desktop session? | 14:34 |
| rbalint | (only) | 14:34 |
| tseliot_ | Laney, sure | 14:35 |
| Laney | rbalint: currently yes, but that part would be via update-notifier I guess | 14:35 |
| Laney | like "you just got the good stuff, now to restart" | 14:35 |
| Laney | s/to/go/ | 14:35 |
| rbalint | Laney, ok, i originally understood the plan like there was an ack needed _before_ the upgrade | 14:37 |
| Laney | tseliot_: so we could create a timer where ubuntu-drivers checks every <interval> and automatically installs any oem-*-meta packages it finds | 14:38 |
| rbalint | Laney, u-u can surely add an origin to allow transitioning to oem enablement packages if the transitional packages are set up as such | 14:38 |
| Laney | rbalint: ah no, design told us that sucks | 14:38 |
| rbalint | Laney, yeah, it depends, i prefer acking major changes but most people don't i guess | 14:39 |
| rbalint | Laney, if we would like to make use of u-u I suggest creating an oem enablement -security origin for that to stay consistent with u-u's scope/promise | 14:40 |
| xnox | Laney: previously we had things emit upstart session events, which would then pop-up GUI. I.e. for CDROM inserted with Ubuntu debs, would you like to upgrade. | 14:40 |
| Laney | weird thing is that they have to be installed in a 'special' way | 14:40 |
| Laney | since those install a new apt sources.list.d thing, you have to install/update/upgrade | 14:41 |
| xnox | Laney: ditto software properties used to also pop up, when new hardware support was discovered. | 14:41 |
| Laney | right, that was jockey | 14:41 |
| Laney | RIP | 14:41 |
| Laney | xnox: I think systemd path unit these days for notifying system -> session | 14:42 |
| Laney | rbalint: and we want to find 'half installed' ones, e.g. if you were offline when you installed ubuntu | 14:43 |
| Laney | not sure if this feels less like u-u's scope to you | 14:43 |
| xnox | Cause yeah, something does pop up to install updates & reboot? | 14:43 |
| Laney | update-manager does that, not sure exactly how | 14:43 |
| xnox | (or is that only with the deb based store?!) | 14:44 |
| Laney | oh that stuff | 14:44 |
| xnox | Ack on update-manager. | 14:44 |
| Laney | you mean like new firmware things | 14:44 |
| Laney | that's from gnome-software | 14:44 |
| Laney | I guess we COUUUUUUUULLLLLDDDDDDDDD write a plugin for that | 14:44 |
| rbalint | Laney, half-installed as in dpkg's broken sense? | 14:45 |
| Laney | nah, like you got the sources.list.d thing | 14:46 |
| Laney | but because you weren't online ubiquity couldn't ge the stuff from there | 14:46 |
| Laney | so it needs to be 'finished off' later | 14:46 |
| Laney | I think driving this all from a timer in ubuntu-drivers is starting to make most sense to me | 14:48 |
| tseliot_ | Laney, install automatically? | 14:57 |
| tseliot_ | or ask the user? | 14:58 |
| Laney | tseliot_: auto, mp_t said that prompting is not a good experience in this case | 14:58 |
| Laney | it's the same in ubiquity, no ui there either | 14:59 |
| tseliot_ | Laney, it sounds a little scary. What if things fail? The user would have no way to know that something went wrong | 15:00 |
| Laney | like what, failing part way through an upgrade? | 15:00 |
| Laney | It will often switch your kernel flavour from generic to oem, so I suppose it *is* actually relatively risky | 15:03 |
| Laney | ok, maybe that tips it towards being presented as an item in the list that update-manager shows you | 15:04 |
| rbalint | Laney, i think update-manager's settings should apply here, if the user want all updates installed without asking then then she/he gets the oem packages as well | 15:04 |
| rbalint | Laney, yes, a separate list in update-manager would be the best, i think | 15:05 |
| GunnarHj | Hi Laney, do you possibly have time to sponsor a Debian package upload? | 15:07 |
| GunnarHj | https://salsa.debian.org/input-method-team/ibus-typing-booster/ | 15:07 |
| tseliot_ | Laney, as long as the user has the chance to opt out of automatic updates, then I think it's ok | 15:08 |
| Laney | GunnarHj: I'm sorry, I can't right now, stuck on some other things | 16:13 |
| Laney | why aren't you a DD or a DM? :> | 16:13 |
| GunnarHj | Laney: Ok, I'll try with someone else. As regards DO/DM I have hesitated so far because I'm not too fond of the paper work involved in such an application. But maybe I should reconsider... | 16:15 |
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