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bdmurray#startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team15:01
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bdmurray#topic Lightning rounds15:02
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bdmurrayecho $(shuf -e vorlon bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity mwhudson juliank waveform slyon)15:02
bdmurraytdaitx bdmurray waveform doko mwhudson juliank vorlon slyon infinity xnox rbalint sil210015:02
sil2100WON15:02
bdmurraytdaitx:15:02
sil2100\o/15:02
tdaitxuh oh, I don't have it ready T_T15:02
tdaitxsil2100: so I will go last instead =P15:03
bdmurraySRU verified LP: #188414815:03
bdmurrayinvestigation into update-motd autopkgtest failure on Focal (it strangely passed for Groovy)15:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1884148 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Focal) "dist upgrade process passes a number along with package to apport" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188414815:03
bdmurrayupdated the fix for LP: #1873545 not to use $EUID as #! is /bin/sh15:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1873545 in Ubuntu WSL "Permission denied error from show-motd when updates available" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187354515:03
bdmurrayreview / testing of ~slyon/ubuntu-release-upgrader:slyon/focal-python2-fix15:03
bdmurrayreported autopkgtest bug LP: #188718315:03
bdmurrayuploaded u-r-u for the 18.04.5 point release15:03
bdmurray+1 maintenance15:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1887183 in autopkgtest (Ubuntu) "--associate-ip does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188718315:03
bdmurrayshort week with some holidays15:03
bdmurraywaveform:15:03
waveform* Fixed issue in pending raspberrypi-userland (inclusion of EGL/GL headers clashing with libegl-dev) (LP: #1883111)15:03
waveform* Addressed review of rpi-eeprom (LP: #1884748)15:03
waveform* Prepared split linux-firmware-raspi2 using multi-upstream tarball style (LP: #1886581)15:03
waveform* Bumped wifi firmware in linux-firmware-raspi2 to latest version15:03
waveform* Worked on removal of u-boot from classic (postinst transition in flash-kernel and adjustment of custom "pi" method in flash-kernel to avoid u-boot tools)15:03
waveform(done)15:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1883111 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] raspberrypi-userland" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188311115:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1884748 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] rpi-eeprom" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188474815:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1886581 in linux-firmware-raspi2 (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 18.04 64-bit RasPi 3 and 4 image fails to boot on RasPi 4B" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188658115:03
bdmurraydoko:15:04
bdmurrayhow about juliank!15:04
juliankNot sure it's complete, but here we go:15:05
juliankjul 09:15:05
juliank* short week, off sick mon & tue15:05
juliank* apt 2.1.715:05
juliank* fixed make-dfsg on s390x by disabling use of posix_spawn, still needs investigating whether posix_spawn is broken on s390x or the make code uses it in a way that only fails on s390x (and only in flatpak-builder tests)15:05
juliank* retry regressions15:05
juliankjul 16:15:05
juliank* initial work of freeing apt of masters, and slaves15:05
juliank* cleaned up apt-key net-update spec15:05
juliank* dug around in os-prober and snapshots15:05
juliank* private stuff fba872e3c2d435b7a69acbb618fb888d0437d7b471758b2bb9e74de341b070fe15:05
juliank* opened bugs for google chrome and keybase to stop using apt-key add, and use trusted.gpg.d15:05
juliank* reviewed rpi eeprom package thingy for waveform15:05
juliank(done)15:05
bdmurrayvorlon:15:06
vorlon * haskell transition work (mostly deleting broken packages)15:06
vorlon  * pandoc on riscv64 takes foreeeeever15:06
vorlon * reviewing current net-apt key-update spec15:06
vorlon * working with server team on some changes to the motd-news implementation15:06
vorlon * partner meetings15:06
vorlon * discussions around an embargoed issue15:06
vorlon(done)15:06
bdmurrayslyon:15:06
slyon- Fixed python-mkdocs & streamlink for fonts-font-awesome migration15:06
slyon  * sponsored by Dimiri & merged in Debian Salsa15:06
slyon- Fixed cider for fonts-font-awesome migration15:06
slyon  * sponsoed via Debian NMU by Dimitri15:06
slyon- Discovered XSBC- field bug in dh-make-perl, fixed upstream15:06
slyon  * Fix released, bug #188646115:06
slyon- Debugged 20.04 upgrade, if legacy python[-minimal] installed15:06
slyon  * Updated Focal release notes about 'python-is-python2'15:06
slyon  * MP awaiting review, bug #187552315:06
slyon- SRU verification for apport snap handling15:06
slyon  * Fix released, bug #186108215:06
slyon- Improved IWD vs WPA Supplicant evaluation document15:06
slyon- Collected netplan.io community engagement metrics15:06
slyon=== Netplan ===15:06
slyon- Fixed non-OVS bonds in OVS netplan setup, with James & Lukasz15:07
slyon- Improve OVS integration tests15:07
slyon- Review Lukasz' implicit OVS fake VLAN bridges PR#15115:07
slyon- Checked upstream NM's refusal of our netplan plugin15:07
slyon  * considering different solutions, like a netplan-nm-bridge daemon15:07
slyon  * needs team discussion15:07
slyon- Reviewed Lukasz' SR-IOV first boot PR #14115:07
slyon- Prepared OVS interface cleanup PR #15315:07
slyon  * In review15:07
slyon- Started working on Wireguard PR #11315:07
slyon(done)15:07
bdmurrayxnox:15:07
xnox* mid-cycle product sprint + working on all the .1 release things & proposed-migration. Done.15:08
bdmurrayrbalint:15:08
rbalint* +1 maintenance15:08
rbalint* uploads via Debian: wireshark 3.2.5-1, libevent 2.1.12-stable-115:08
rbalint* merges: systemd as 245.6-2ubuntu1, then as 245.6-3ubuntu1 with additional fixes, mtd-utils15:08
rbalint* partner work15:08
rbalint* +1 maintenance (ongoing)15:08
rbalint(done)15:08
bdmurraysil2100:15:08
sil2100- Shorter week, had half-day on Friday, status only from this week15:09
sil2100- SRU reviews and releases15:09
sil2100- Kernel SRUs15:09
sil2100- +1 maintenance on Monday/Tuesday-ish15:09
sil2100  * Got slightly side-tracked fixing britney in bileto15:09
sil2100- Phasing out new core18 into stable15:09
sil2100- 20.04.1 and 18.04.5 point-release preparation15:09
sil2100  * Prepared base-files15:09
sil2100  * Pushed updated language-packs (base for focal, updates for bionic)15:09
sil2100  * Coordination with various teams15:09
sil2100  * General preparation per the checklists15:09
sil2100- netplan:15:09
sil2100  * Looking into the OVS config clean-up PR from Lukas15:09
sil2100  * Started looking at SR-IOV improvement PR review comments15:09
sil2100  * NM-plugin discussions15:09
sil2100- Pushed appliance-build livecd-rootfs changes to bionic Unapproved15:09
sil2100- Asked for upload of the new lxd appliance model assertion to the store15:09
sil2100- Various meetings15:09
sil2100(done)15:09
tdaitx* improved jck snap documentation15:09
tdaitx* working on regression detection for the jck testsuite in jenkins15:09
tdaitx  - grabbing/copying artifacts in jenkins15:09
tdaitx* openjdk-11 and openjdk-8 security updates15:09
tdaitx  - packaged openjdk-11, build failure on bionic, investigating15:09
doko- more CET investigations15:09
doko- GCC 10.2 release candidate15:09
doko- binutils 2.35 snapshots15:09
doko- Python 3.9 beta415:09
doko- two MIRs, NEW processing15:09
tdaitx  - packaging openjdk-815:09
doko- get lintian again installable on i38615:09
tdaitx* fixed jtreg regression15:09
doko- started libgc and mpfr4 transitions15:09
tdaitx(done)15:09
doko- two +1 days15:09
doko(done)15:09
bdmurrayany questions on status?15:10
sil2100None here!15:10
bdmurray#topic Release incoming bugs15:10
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bdmurray#link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs15:11
bdmurraybug 1886314 - is this for desktop or us?15:11
ubottubug 1886314 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "preinstall `earlyoom` by default" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188631415:11
bdmurrayvorlon: ?15:12
vorlonuh15:12
vorlonI would want the kernel team to weigh in on this15:13
vorlonbefore we install a package that changes the default oom handling15:13
bdmurrayokay15:13
juliankhuh, why does it need a userspace sercice?15:14
vorlonyeah exactly15:14
bdmurraySo is anybody interested in this enough to drive it?15:15
julianknot really15:15
xnoxnope15:15
xnoxbdmurray:  not fixing, possibly punt to like cking maybe15:15
xnoxit sounds interesting but also dubious15:15
bdmurrayack15:15
bdmurraybug 188709815:15
ubottubug 1887098 in what-is-python (Ubuntu) "Installing python-is-python3 should affect pip as well" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188709815:15
dokois there a pip2?15:17
bdmurraythis bug actually has a duplicate15:17
xnoxdoko:  we have python2 pip and python3 pip3, we don't have pip215:18
dokohmm, is python2 based pip really available in focal?15:18
xnoxlet me check.15:18
dokoafaicr, that was only re-added later in unstable after the focal release.15:18
waveformdoesn't appear to be (at least there's no python-pip or python2-pip?)15:18
juliank$ dpkg -S bin/pip15:19
juliankpython3-pip: /usr/bin/pip315:19
juliankpython3-pip: /usr/bin/pip15:19
juliankin groovy15:19
dokoprobably should be packported15:19
dokoif we want to have a python2 based pip like debian will ship with bullseye15:19
dokobut I'm -1 on pip-is-*15:20
xnoxdoko:  the request is for existing "python-is-python3" to ship pip -> pip3 symlink, like it does for `python` `python-config` etc.15:21
juliankpython-is-python3 should add pip->pip3 symlink15:21
xnoxnot a new package15:21
juliankhowever15:21
waveformand presumably then python-is-python2 should do likewise for pip?15:21
dokojuliank: no way, please don't fuck around with extra dependencies15:21
xnoxdoko:  no extra dependencies15:21
xnoxdangling symlink15:21
juliankgroovy ships it in python3-pip15:21
dokoso dangling symlink?15:21
xnoxnote that in groovy /bin/pip is python3 shebang15:22
juliankif we add dangling symlink to python-is-python3, we also need replaces/breaks in python3-pip in groovy15:22
slyonbut there is no python2 pip... so python-is-python2 -> pip does not work. Futhermore, there would be file conflicts if python2 pip is re-introduced15:22
waveformright15:23
xnoxslyon:  we will not do that in the python-is-python2 package15:27
xnoxso /bin/pip will be a dangling symlink in python-is-python3 package only15:27
xnoxwe can make it a file trigger15:28
bdmurrayI think this warrants some further discussion via email with a clear design.15:28
xnoxok15:28
xnoxto be continued15:28
bdmurrayxnox: will you draft a plan?15:29
xnoxok15:29
bdmurraybug 1878225 already has a card so skipping15:29
ubottubug 1878225 in autopkgtest (Ubuntu) "Please remove lxd.snap from lxd images, as it fails to seed thus failing the first boot - snapd.seeded.service waits forever (?) to have snaps seeded in LXD on s390x and arm64" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187822515:29
bdmurray#link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs15:29
bdmurraybug 1871641 the desktop team is looking for help from "a systemd expert"15:30
ubottubug 1871641 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu never finishes booting: A start job is running for Hold until boot process finishes up (3min 7s / no limit) -- removing 'splash' kernel parm fixes it" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187164115:30
rbalinti guess that's a +1 for me :-)15:31
bdmurraycould you reach out to daniel and see what he needs?15:31
rbalintsure, will do so15:32
vorlonNB he's probably not very timezone-compatible15:32
rbalintbdmurray, should i card it for myself instead for the team?15:33
bdmurrayrbalint: that sounds good to me15:33
bdmurrayare we waiting for hardware for bug 1883229?15:34
rbalintdone15:34
ubottubug 1883229 in subiquity "Ubuntu server installation on S3260M4 server fails" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188322915:34
bdmurrayalright, that's that for new bugs15:37
bdmurray#topic Team proposed-migration report15:37
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bdmurrayvorlon:15:37
vorlonhttps://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs15:38
vorlon41 packages needing attention, that doesn't sound good15:38
vorlonvim is still mine15:38
juliankwell, build-essential triggered quite a few I suppose15:38
bdmurraylintian is with me15:38
vorlonI don't see why it should be15:39
vorlonbdmurray: ok thanks15:39
vorlonpython3.8 vs sqlite15:39
waveformlibio-async-perl is still mine15:39
rbalinti'm fixing systemd15:39
vorlonsil2100: are you still on the python3.8 vs sqlite regression?15:40
vorlon(and sqlite3 generally)15:40
sil2100vorlon: yes, sorry, still on it...15:41
vorlonok15:41
vorlonlibio-async-perl is just waiting on its dep which is part of the linitan stuff15:41
vorlonrbalint mentioned being on systemd15:41
vorlonjuliank: xz-utils?15:41
juliankyeah sounds fine15:41
vorlonjuliank: I think I tried to assign this to you last time but I'm not sure you saw15:42
vorloncasper blocking qemu, what's that about15:43
vorlonlooks like we should leave this with the server team15:43
vorloncurl is blocked on nettle, which is the ghc transition15:44
vorlonfreetds, gnutls28, libarchive same15:44
juliankvorlon: I see my mention in the backlog, but I'm not sure I actively noticed15:44
vorlonopen-iscsi also tied to qemu, so skipping15:45
vorlonrtmpdump, nettle again; then systemd and ubuntu-image for qemu again15:45
vorlonlibzstd15:45
slyonI can look into libzstd vs badger, as I have been dealing with badger before15:45
vorlonslyon: thanks15:45
slyon(at least for the 64bit failure, 32bit problems need upstream fixing it)15:45
vorlonbuild-essential, I've actually been picking at these already this morning, strangely there are some i386 autopkgtest false-positives that were never seen before15:46
vorlonso I'll follow through on that one15:46
xnoxhttps://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#build-essential15:46
vorlonglib2.0, might just need some autopkgtest retriggers.  xnox can you take?15:47
xnoxvorlon:  seb128 was doing some today, and some of them depend on the qemu fix previously mentioned.15:48
xnoxvorlon:  but sure, can try to help poking it.15:48
vorlonwell the qemu in release pocket should be ok surely15:48
vorlonpython-tz needs oops to drop python2 support, should be easy15:48
vorlonwaveform: ^^ can you take?15:49
waveformvorlon, will do15:49
xnoxs390-tools waiting on AA new to accepted signing15:49
vorlonok I'll look at that shortly15:49
vorlondosfstools regressing livecd-rootfs, doesn't sound good15:49
vorlontdaitx: ^^ can you look at this?15:50
tdaitxvorlon: ack15:50
vorlonrbalint: is systemd/amd64 regressing for kbd related to your ongoing work?15:50
xnoxtdaitx:  maybe livecd-rootfs broken by itself? " python3-secretstorage : Depends: python3-jeepney but it is not installable"15:50
xnoxcould be just components missmatches15:50
vorlonthat's a -proposed-only issue15:50
vorlonpython3-jeepney is (was?) an MIR15:51
rbalintvorlon, i take kbd it then i'll see15:51
vorlonok15:51
vorlonbdmurray: can you take dnspython vs python-idna?15:51
vorlonlibsereal-decoder-perl, rather looks like a Debian issue, we might just ignore this for now and see if something better comes in via sync in the next week15:52
vorlonand libevent vs mysql-8.015:52
vorlonwho wants this last one15:52
rbalintvorlon, it is mysql15:52
xnoxserver team!15:53
bdmurrayvorlon: okay15:53
vorlonrbalint: meaning?15:53
rbalintvorlon, i take it, it regressed in release15:53
rbalint(mysql regressed)15:53
xnoxFailing test(s): main.ssl_crl main.ssl_crl_crlpath main.ssl_crl_clients_valid15:54
vorlonrbalint: ok, you'll follow through with hint mp?15:54
xnoxsounds like dates / times / timing valid/from valid/until15:54
rbalintvorlon, yes15:54
vorlonthanks15:54
vorlonand that's done15:54
vorlonbdmurray:15:54
bdmurray#topic AOB15:54
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dokojust a heads up, GCC 10.2 will be released next, and once that's built the defaults change will happen15:55
dokonext week even15:55
julianknice15:56
bdmurrayokay, thanks for the notification15:56
xnoxdoko:  horay!15:56
vorlondoko: can you communicate this to ubuntu-devel also?15:56
dokovorlon: no, it's in the release schedule ;o15:56
juliankmore notifications don't hurt!15:57
bdmurraythanks everyone15:58
bdmurray#endmeeting15:58
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meetingologyMeeting ended Thu Jul 16 15:58:37 2020 UTC.15:58
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cpaelzervorlon: xnox: open-iscsi, casper, ubuntu-image, systemd fails all are https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu/+bug/188776316:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1887763 in qemu (Ubuntu) "new default qemu TCG sizes exceed common CI setups" [Undecided,In progress]16:12
cpaelzeronly the qemu in groovy-proposed is affected and I'm engaged with upstream already (see links in the bug)16:13
cpaelzerif becoming urgent we can have an interim fix and later on pick what upstream ends up with16:13
vorloncpaelzer: ack, thanks16:14
vorlonnot urgent for us, just needed to understand whether there was work for Foundations to do16:14
cpaelzerok, thanks16:15
cpaelzerfor now leave it with me (in sync to what you said in the meeting)16:15

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