[01:33] <bumblefuzz> so, I'm playing DOTA2 on steam and the damn thing just closed
[01:33] <bumblefuzz> no warning
[01:33] <bumblefuzz> no crash report
[01:33] <bumblefuzz> how can I see why it did that?
[01:39] <sarnold> bumblefuzz: try running dmesg
[01:39] <sarnold> maybe it died due to running out of memory, in which case a log of that should show up
[01:57] <Betal> worth to check journalctl too
[02:20] <tripleb> YES, I couldnt play the DVD because the way to start a DVD in VLC is redic obscure. sarnold
[02:21] <sarnold> tripleb: woot!
[02:21] <tripleb> YES, I found my way to make ubuntu easy. IT is called FLASHBACK.  --- SUCCESS.
[02:22] <tripleb> thanks for all the help.  (oh about the DVD, could be that update,upgrade with the latest update did it.)
[02:23] <oerheks> sarnold, did he ever read .. ?
[02:24] <sarnold> oerheks: hah, I was wondering the same thing :)\
[02:45] <bumblefuzz> can anyone help me set up a AWUS036ACH network adapter?
[02:45] <bumblefuzz> I can't figure out how to get it to work
[02:46] <bumblefuzz> it shows up on lsusb
[02:46] <bumblefuzz> but I can't figure out how to install the drivers
[02:46] <bumblefuzz> RTL8812AU
[02:47] <sarnold> bumblefuzz: the rtl8812au-dkms package looks promising -- but it's got a bunch of modaliases in the package description..
[02:48] <bumblefuzz> don't know what modaliases are
[02:48] <sarnold> bumblefuzz: .. so I'd sort of expect ubuntu-drivers to know if that is the best package to install for that nic, or if there's something better built-in
[02:48] <bumblefuzz> how can we tell?
[02:48] <sarnold> bumblefuzz: you may also need to install the linux-firmware package, if that's not already installed
[02:48] <sarnold> bumblefuzz: try sudo ubuntu-drivers devices
[02:49] <bumblefuzz> already installed
[02:49] <bumblefuzz> rtl8812au-dkms - distro free
[02:49] <bumblefuzz> apparently
[02:50] <sarnold> alright, try sudo ubuntu-drivers install  -- and hopefully it'll do what's needed :)
[02:50] <bumblefuzz> so 'sudo apt install rtl8812au-dkms' ?
[02:50] <sarnold> that may also work, I'm not sure if ubuntu-drivers does other steps or not
[02:51] <bumblefuzz> it says 1 not upgraded
[02:51] <bumblefuzz> I tried ubuntu-drivers
[02:51] <bumblefuzz> it says 1 nbot upgraded
[02:51] <sarnold> hmm :/ can you paste the output on https://paste.ubuntu.com/  ?
[02:52] <sarnold> it's possible just an apt update && apt upgrade   will fix that, but it'd be nice to have more context first :)
[02:52] <oerheks> apt dist-upgrade
[02:52] <bumblefuzz> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/j97GbTWjJ9/
[02:55] <sarnold> hah, dang. I guess that means the dkms is probably already installed, and I think oerheks is right, an apt dist-upgrade ought to install whatever is not upgraded, but maybe there's a reason for that, heh
[02:55] <sarnold> try: dkms status
[02:56] <bumblefuzz> I ran it anyway
[02:56] <oerheks> seeing the timeline, i think there is no kernel module build.
[02:56] <bumblefuzz> I don't see the adapter in network manager
[02:57] <bumblefuzz> 'kernel module build' and no I'm lost
[02:58] <bumblefuzz> now*
[02:58] <sarnold> can you pastebin the dkms status output?
[02:58] <bumblefuzz> how?
[02:58] <bumblefuzz> I'm an intermediate noob
[02:59] <sarnold> run dkms status, and paste the output into https://paste.ubuntu.com/ just last the previous paste
[02:59] <bumblefuzz> haven't graduated to expert noob yet
[02:59] <sarnold> lol
[02:59] <mason> echo just testing!  | nc termbin.com 9999
[02:59] <sarnold> mason: will that ! trip bash's history thingy?
[02:59] <bumblefuzz> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2T5QxVh6zT/
[02:59] <mason> Oh, I never use history slickly. Dunno.
[03:00] <mason> I took that from termbin's front page. :P
[03:00] <sarnold> haha
[03:00] <sarnold> bumblefuzz: maybe try sudo modprobe rtl8812au ?
[03:01] <bumblefuzz> sarnold, 'modprobe: FATAL: Module rtl8812au not found in directory /lib/modules/5.4.0-40-generic'
[03:01] <sarnold> hrmn :( I'm not real familiar with dkms :(
[03:03] <oerheks> i think a reboot is required
[03:03] <bumblefuzz> brb
[03:04] <oerheks> just check if /var/run/reboot-required exists or not.
[03:04] <oerheks> oh
[03:04] <sarnold> so close :)
[03:04] <sarnold> oh well reboot's not a bad all-purpose solvative
[03:05] <bumblefuzz> and now?
[03:05] <oerheks> disable wired, try to connect?
[03:05] <oerheks> maybe you need wpasupplicant ..
[03:06] <bumblefuzz> I don't see the adapter though
[03:06] <bumblefuzz> how would I connect?
[03:07] <bumblefuzz> I should see the adapter in the menubar, right?
[03:08] <sarnold> I think so; is there anything in dmesg | grep -i rtl   that looks useful?
[03:08] <bumblefuzz> you tell me: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FbdVQctGXY/
[03:08] <bumblefuzz> I really don't know
[03:10] <bumblefuzz> 'ip -c a' shows no adapter
[03:10] <bumblefuzz> now *wireless* adapter
[03:12] <bumblefuzz> no*
[03:13] <tripelb2> Sarnold thanks.
[03:14] <sarnold> bumblefuzz: hah, I'm not sure if that means it worked or not :/  I don't know how ot use 'iw' well enough to tell you how to use it :( try something like 'iw list' and see if it outputs a thousand pages of things that look useful, or a thousand pages of things that look like it's not working
[03:14] <sarnold> (seriously I hate iw ..)
[03:14] <sarnold> bumblefuzz: hmm, no, first, try rfkill
[03:14] <bumblefuzz> iw list outputs nothing
[03:14] <bumblefuzz> rfkill outputs nothing
[03:15] <sarnold> cripes :(
[03:19] <mason> ip showing no adapter suggests no firmware, or did I miss something?
[03:20] <bumblefuzz> we did dkms and modprobe and apparently there is firmware
[03:20] <bumblefuzz> they even had me restart
[03:20] <bumblefuzz> and I still see no adapter
[03:20] <bumblefuzz> it's acting funny
[03:24] <bumblefuzz> and I don't know enough, even with google searches, to figure this out
[03:27] <bumblefuzz> anyone?
[03:31] <sarnold> sorry bumblefuzz :( I'm out of ideas
[03:31] <sarnold> bumblefuzz: mason's guess of needing firmware is a reasonable one, but I don't know what to suggest, you've already got the most likely looking packages installed
[03:31] <sarnold> bumblefuzz: it's time for me to bail -- good luck :)
[04:03] <bumblefuzz> welp
[04:03] <bumblefuzz> I guess I'll come back tomorrow
[04:04] <bumblefuzz> for some reason the rtl8812au driver doesn't work
[04:04] <bumblefuzz> it's installed
[04:04] <bumblefuzz> but I don't see an adapter
[04:04] <bumblefuzz> go figure
[04:28] <Olof_szary> Hello, How to check which gcc is a default gcc on 16.04? On 18.04 I have 7.5.0
[04:31] <Olof_szary> ok, I've found it https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/gcc nvm
[04:45] <Polesch> If I leave my PC running overnight I often find that I can't get any video signal anymore, anyone know what might be happening? Radeon VII.
[04:47] <TJ-> Polesch: first step is read the system logs for clues
[05:15] <oscurochu> I'm not sure how to install this video card... simply plugging in the hdmi cable doesn't work and i can't find the option in the bios settings. i feel like an idiot right now, i don't remember it being this difficult last time i built a pc
[05:15] <kaur_devel_> Hi
[05:16] <kaur_devel_> everyone
[05:16] <TJ-> oscurochu: check the OS sees it with "lspci -nn -d ::0300"
[05:17] <oscurochu> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:9bc5] (rev 05)
[05:17] <oscurochu> that's my onboard card, i have a pci card... maybe i didn't install it properly in the motherboard. ?
[05:17] <kaur_devel_> does libusb supports transfer live stream to another device through otg port out??
[05:18] <kaur_devel_> please guide if anybody have knowledge of this thing..
[06:30] <ktosiek> Where can I find debug symbols for glib2 in focal? There's no libglib2.0-dbg
[07:27] <mountain> .
[08:24] <egrain> printer doesn't work anymore: Unable to locate printer "HP9457A59EC763.local".   i did the cups 631 and tried adding the printer again, but it gives me a list of drivers which the printer isn't listed in. now i don't know what to do.
[08:25] <egrain> one of these hpijs maybe?
[08:53] <yukachan> hello
[08:54] <TJ-> egrain: did it last work without your changing anything printer related on the PC?
[09:04] <egrain> TJ-, i upgraded once and then it didn't work anymore. before that i had the randomly "printer disabled" problem.
[09:04] <egrain> anyway
[09:04] <egrain> i did hpsetup -i.
[09:04] <egrain> bound the class to the newly added version of the old printer.
[09:04] <egrain> now it works.
[09:04] <egrain> hopefully!
[09:05] <egrain> thanks for your help though.
[09:21] <linkpuff> Hey hey! I have a problem with gnome, how could I force apps to do split view? (I know the keystrokes and all but they dont work on some apps like discord)
[09:28] <ghost2911> Hi. I want to modify this file for my user /sys/fs/cgroup/pids/my_user/pids.max   How to check current value of pids.max for my_user ?
[09:32] <Andrio> cat?
[09:33] <dandre> Hello,
[09:33] <dandre> I am using vino server with remmina client between two pcs (A and B). From A to B every thing works fine, but from B to A I can't get dead keys characters (ê on a french keyboard).
[09:33] <dandre> All pcs are under 18.04 and up to date.
[09:33] <dandre> remmina version on A is 1.4.1 and on B is 1.4.7, got from remmina ppa
[09:33] <dandre> What should I do to track this issue?
[09:35] <dandre> what is strange is that working version is 1.4.1+ppa202002241728.rdad11c0.da4aa916~ubuntu16.04.1 and non working version is 1.4.7+ppa202006232218.r2c18f95.df03f7ba~ubuntu18.04.1
[09:35] <dandre> Both computers are 18.04...
[10:15] <dandre> I just have fallen back to 1.2 version from 1.4.7 and I don't get my dead keys working with remmina
[10:46] <Guest_8> Hi I am having a problem with apt and DNS resolving can someone offer any help into how I sort this out?
[10:47] <linkpuff> have you tried changing dns?
[10:47] <Guest_8> I have
[10:47] <narakrish> Hello all, I would like to understand how to check if my printers (USB & network)  are configured properly and is working fine without taking a test print on Ubuntu ?
[10:48] <Guest_8> Two Xboxes and the router on the same network have had DNS changed to 1.1.1.1
[10:48] <Guest_8> They all work now.
[10:48] <linkpuff> Guest 8: what error does it give?
[10:48] <Guest_8> There was an ISP problem which sent all traffic to 78.33.48.91 which is an error handling page from the ISP.
[10:49] <linkpuff> narakrish: you wont ever find out without a test print, you can always ping it thro the network tho
[10:49] <Guest_8> Apt is resolving all sources to this page and doesn't appear to reset properly
[10:49] <linkpuff> Guest 8: https://blog.sleeplessbeastie.eu/2017/10/09/how-to-clean-the-apt-cache/
[10:50] <linkpuff> maybe this can help
[10:50] <Guest_8> Adding an option -o acquire::forceIPv4=true
[10:50] <linkpuff> sudo systemd-resolve --flush-caches
[10:50] <Guest_8> Seemed to help initially but the problem remains when this option is not included and I cannot update my system
[10:51] <linkpuff> waiting like a couple days could solve it
[10:51] <linkpuff> but to solve it now
[10:51] <linkpuff> you could try flushing systemd cache
[10:51] <linkpuff> sudo systemd-resolve --flush-caches
[10:51] <Guest_8> I ran that and the command and then apt update it remains
[10:52] <linkpuff> thats rather weird
[10:52] <linkpuff> have you tried
[10:52] <linkpuff> turning it off and on
[10:52] <linkpuff> ?
[10:52] <Guest_8> I thought it would be something to do with cached DNS but this is an area I don't have experience sorting
[10:52] <Guest_8> Yeah I have rebooted a couple times
[10:53] <Guest_8> I was able to get online before with tor. So it can't be connection
[10:53] <linkpuff> how much time has passed since your issue appeared?
[10:53] <Guest_8> But now the tor browser won't connect.
[10:53] <linkpuff> what happens when you do this dig @8.8.8.8 example.com
[10:53] <Guest_8> This is day 3
[10:54] <Guest_8> I ran dig command, which part of this output shall I reference as I don't understand this page
[10:55] <Guest_8> Ok hang on penny dropped
[10:55] <Guest_8> I dig monster.com
[10:55] <Guest_8> Answer section: monster.com 243 IN A 208.71.193.147
[10:56] <linkpuff> hmmm
[10:56] <linkpuff> what happens
[10:56] <linkpuff> if you take ur dns out of 8.8.8.8
[10:57] <linkpuff> 1.1.1.1*
[10:57] <Guest_8> I don't understand what you mean sorry
[10:57] <linkpuff> just do automatic dns
[10:57] <linkpuff> instead of manuao
[10:57] <linkpuff> manual*
[10:59] <Guest_8> It times out
[10:59] <linkpuff> maybe
[10:59] <linkpuff> you should ring up
[10:59] <linkpuff> your ISP
[10:59] <linkpuff> sounds like they are being naughty
[11:01] <Guest_8> You think this is defo ISP related?
[11:01] <linkpuff> yes
[11:02] <linkpuff> ubuntu doesnt cache much stuff, and at most its like 24h
[11:02] <linkpuff> AFAIK
[11:02] <linkpuff> so your isp
[11:02] <linkpuff> must be still doing shit
[11:03] <Guest_8> Ok I will get in contact with them. You seem to be fairly clued up on it. Do you have any links or search terms to start as I didn't get far with "flush apt DNS cache" other than forcing ipv4
[11:04] <linkpuff> https://askubuntu.com/questions/2219/how-do-i-clear-the-dns-cache/929478#929478
[11:04] <linkpuff> wait a sec
[11:04] <linkpuff> I think
[11:04] <linkpuff> did you change ipv6
[11:04] <linkpuff> dns?
[11:05] <linkpuff> both ipv4 and ipv6 use individual dns settings
[11:05] <Guest_8> Yes I have as part of trouble shooting it but I'm not sure it's working right
[11:05] <linkpuff> probably its your ipv6 settings
[11:05] <linkpuff> acting up
[11:05] <linkpuff> and not ipv4
[11:06] <linkpuff> since when you force ipv4 it works
[11:06] <Guest_8> I am using the ipv6 from cloudflare 1.1.1.1
[11:06] <linkpuff> 1.1.1.1 isnt an ipv6
[11:06] <linkpuff> address
[11:06] <Guest_8> 2606:4700:4700::1111
[11:06] <Guest_8> And another address with a couple digits difference in the end
[11:06] <linkpuff> ah
[11:06] <linkpuff> that is
[11:06] <linkpuff> an ipv6 address yes
[11:07] <linkpuff> did you try ipv6 dns on auto?
[11:07] <Guest_8> This was all just automatic before
[11:07] <linkpuff> ok
[11:07] <linkpuff> then
[11:07] <linkpuff> if it still doesnt work
[11:07] <linkpuff> your isp must still be routing ipv6 thro the wrong place
[11:07] <linkpuff> and only fixed ipv4
[11:07] <linkpuff> maybe your network issues can go away
[11:08] <linkpuff> if you disable ipv6
[11:08] <linkpuff> while your isp wakes up and fixes it
[11:08] <Guest_8> This is what I thought.
[11:09] <Guest_8> I thought that it must be some link somewhere is not being touted correct as tor had no problems so can't be connection
[11:09] <linkpuff> have you tried
[11:09] <linkpuff> traceroute?
[11:10] <Guest_8> The only DNS change I had made before this was foxyproxy to enable i2p
[11:10] <linkpuff> foxyproxy shouldnt affect apt
[11:10] <linkpuff> unless you enable system wide proxy
[11:11] <Guest_8> Same sort of error with traceroute to Google resolved to ISP error page IP again
[11:11] <Guest_8> 78.33.48.91
[11:11] <linkpuff> see?
[11:11] <linkpuff> your isp
[11:11] <linkpuff> fault
[11:11] <Guest_8> Ok  thanks
[11:12] <Guest_8> So that's live not a chaced resolved address
[11:12] <linkpuff> probably yes
[11:13] <lxsameer> hey folks, ubuntu 18.04 contains libssl1.0.0 with is in fact 1.0.2 both version are deprecated, what is going on there ?
[11:14] <linkpuff> probably outdated software still using it
[11:14] <linkpuff> you can try to remove it and see what goes away with it
[11:16] <lxsameer> linkpuff: yeah , but what i meant was, is there any plan to remove it from that LTS release
[11:16] <lxsameer> basically it's not safe anymore
[11:16] <linkpuff> hmmm probably not
[11:17] <linkpuff> but dont take my word
[11:17] <linkpuff> for it
[11:18] <Guest_8> Ubuntu 18.04 is an old version anyway why not use 20.04
[11:19] <linkpuff> 18.04 is LTS
[11:19] <linkpuff> its a safe bet
[11:19] <linkpuff> generally
[11:20] <Guest_8> True but so is 20.04
[11:20] <linkpuff> yes
[11:20] <linkpuff> maybe its just a burden to do release upgrades to some people
[11:20] <linkpuff> also
[11:20] <linkpuff> 18.04 is the last LTS
[11:20] <linkpuff> to support x86
[11:20] <Guest_8> Ahh
[11:20] <linkpuff> I still use it on a couple machines
[11:21] <Guest_8> Be around for a while then
[11:22] <Guest_8> My mobile provider also get there service from the same ISP. So if I am having the same problem resolving from when connected to a mobile hotspot I think that points to the ISP.... But I am using the mobile internet on the phone without issue now....
[11:22] <Guest_8> Only a problem when used as a hotspot.
[11:23] <linkpuff> hmmmm idk then
[11:23] <Guest_8> Seems v weird.
[11:29] <Guest_8> Okay traceroute on mobile hotspot worked
[11:30] <Guest_8> badger@thinkpad:~$ traceroute google.comtraceroute to google.com (216.58.213.14), 64 hops max  1   192.168.43.1  8.884ms  6.630ms  3.206ms   2   *  *  *   3   *  10.142.73.173  158.627ms  251.889ms   4   10.142.231.242  60.469ms  50.039ms  51.242ms   5   10.142.235.132  48.144ms  49.960ms  49.795ms   6   *  *  *   7   10.142.235.209  411.663ms
[11:30] <Guest_8> 58.345ms  50.363ms   8   10.142.231.233  49.493ms  69.685ms  49.837ms   9   10.142.76.38  59.984ms  48.979ms  50.492ms  10   *  *  *  11   62.253.175.34  52.024ms  59.660ms  50.337ms  12   212.250.14.74  236.285ms  53.329ms  49.413ms  13   108.170.246.129  60.192ms  69.959ms  61.968ms  14   172.253.65.209  57.917ms  59.785ms  60.084ms  15
[11:30] <Guest_8> 216.58.213.14  59.765ms  285.551ms  54.332ms
[11:31] <Guest_8> Not sure if that helps
[11:32] <linkpuff> that... doesnt help really but probably your isp routes traffic differently per service
[12:32] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:36] <nbusrone> May I know how does unzip/unrar works on linux ? does it dump the temporary file into /tmp or /home/.cache file when reading into the SSD ? Will it icrease r/w on ssd too ?
[12:50] <yelowfish> hi,is there a way to undo a restore from timeshift?
[12:52] <olspookishmagus> in order to be able to dualboot a system (Ubuntu and Win10 both installed in the HDD) what's the proposed order of actions? install win10 first or ubuntu first? IIRC both of those OS do create more than one partition on their default install scenarios, how to deal with that too?
[12:53] <TJ-> olspookishmagus: If it's Windows 10 then presumably UEFI system then the order doesn't matter
[12:53] <Andrio> olspookishmagus, I'd recommend installing Windows first, then Ubuntu. Windows Setup installs its own bootloader, while the Ubuntu installer installs Grub which can boot either OS. Also don't use the default install configuration
[12:54] <TJ-> Andrio: that only applies to BIOS/Megacy CSM installs, not UEFI
[12:54] <TJ-> s/Megacy/Legacy
[12:54] <telmac> I installed a video game (terraria) and I was messing with the video settings while in fullscreen and the whole system stopped for a bit, and then came in spurts and stops but was unusable
[12:55] <telmac> I then force restarted, and got the error message "starting gnome display manager ... link was shut down"
[12:55] <Andrio> How does UEFI change that?
[12:55] <TJ-> Andrio: because that's how it works
[12:55] <tatertots> telmac: did you run the game a second subsequent time to determine if the behavior was consistent and repeatable
[12:56] <tatertots> telmac: ???
[12:56] <TJ-> UEFI has it's own boot-loader EFI file-system where each OS co-exists in separate directories
[12:56] <telmac> there's some instructions I found online for how to deal with this, the first step being just go to another one of the virtual terminals or whatever it's called (hit alt-f2), but when I do that the screen keeps switching back and forth between tty2 and tty1 (I assume it's 1)
[12:56] <Andrio> I see
[12:56] <telmac> and in such a way that you can't really type in either, like I could slowly get my username in but there's no way to even tell if I'm successfully typing my password
[12:56] <olspookishmagus> Andrio: what part of the default install configuration is the offending one?
[12:57] <tatertots> telmac: did you run the game a second subsequent time to determine if the behavior was consistent and repeatable???
[12:57] <telmac> tatertots: well, I can't even get that far,  like I just said
[12:57] <tatertots> telmac: the silence or avoidance of responding with a yes/no means the answer is NO\
[12:57] <Andrio> For me, anything that doesn't let me choose how to partition my drive
[12:58] <telmac> okay hum, well *now* it finally stopped glitching
[12:58] <tatertots> telmac: after a video game malfunction and a REBOOT your computer does not function normally?
[12:58] <telmac> yes
[12:59] <telmac> very strange! but I was editing the resolution settings, and so it could easily have messed with x11 or gnome or what have you
[12:59] <Andrio> telmac, is your PC overheating?
[12:59] <telmac> no
[12:59] <tatertots> telmac: if i installed a game that resulted in system instability, I would immediately remove/purge that video game from my computer ASAP and determine if the computer stabilized
[13:01] <tatertots> telmac: i would then test other video games and if i could say with confidence only game "A" results in instability, while game "C" "B" and "E" run without issue....I would avoid game "A"
[13:01] <telmac> well, again i'm not even sure how to get that far
[13:02] <telmac> tatertots: it's really difficult to talk to you, it seems like you're not reading what I've written - you're advising steps that I can't even reach because my whole system is too broken
[13:02] <tatertots> telmac: you are chatting from a second computer or iPhone right now?
[13:02] <telmac> (I'm talking to you from a different ocmputer rn)
[13:02] <telmac> yes
[13:04] <tatertots> telmac: it sounds as if you no longer have any administrative control of the computer to make any corrective actions, via GUI log in or virtual console / virtual terminal, leaving booting emergency mode as your remaining untested option of regaining some administrative control over the system to make corrective actions
[13:05] <telmac> ah that's a good idea
[13:05] <telmac> so, once I'm there, how can I get gnome working again?
[13:05] <tatertots> telmac: if you are unable to even use emergency mode...restoring from a back up would be next and if you can't do that...you'll be reinstalling the operating system
[13:09] <tatertots> telmac: do you mean a GUI that you can control with your mouse?
[13:10] <tatertots> telmac: is that what you mean by "gnome"
[13:13] <telmac> I meant gnome in particular?
[13:13] <telmac> like, where I am now, I could just type startx and I'm not even sure what I'll get
[13:14] <telmac> but I want to get back to exactly where I was
[13:14] <telmac> okay so if I type startx I get a different error message
[13:14] <telmac> it ends with "xinit: unable to conneact to x server: connection refused
[13:14] <telmac> xinit: server error"
[13:15] <telmac> okay, so I can't even get x going, let alone gnome in particular
[13:17] <telmac> it seems like tatertos has given up, can anyone else help?
[13:18] <tatertots> telmac: had to get coffee
[13:18] <telmac> ah sure
[13:19] <tatertots> telmac: you don't have a back up of the system correct?
[13:19] <telmac> no, but right now I've been able to log into the cli
[13:19] <telmac> I'll copy ~ rn
[13:20] <tatertots> telmac: you could view the logs however that will not immediately offer you any magic silver bullet/fix, with that having been said, you're already at a point where you'll be reinstalling in my opinion, there's not much you can do since you're already in a "emergency" situation
[13:20] <telmac> tatertots: well rn I'm able to get into the cli
[13:21] <tatertots> telmac: having a back up of important files is great..i was referring to a full system backup which would entirely restore to a previous system state
[13:21] <telmac> that's not "emergency" so much, is it? like, shouldn't I be able to recover from there?
[13:21] <telmac> oh, no
[13:21] <telmac> I don't
[13:21] <tatertots> telmac: are you booted to "emergency" mode? yes/no
[13:22] <telmac> no, it actually stopped glitching between tty2/1 and I was able to login
[13:22] <telmac> but I expect it'll do that again when I reboot
[13:22] <tatertots> telmac: do you have network connectivity in it's current state?...use "ping" to test
[13:22] <telmac> yup
[13:24] <tatertots> telmac: in terminal>      journalctl -p 2|nc 5.39.93.71 9999
[13:24] <tatertots> telmac: share url/link here...if you do not get a url/link...simply say so
[13:25] <telmac> sec
[13:26] <telmac> sorry, this command is completely illegible to me, what is this doing?
[13:27] <telmac> usually I can at least parse commands I'm given by folks in this sort of place and see that they're harmless but i have no clue what this is
[13:28] <tatertots> telmac: journalctl has a man page you can read right on the system
[13:29] <telmac> trmbincom/2bin
[13:29] <telmac> trmbin.com/2bin
[13:30] <tatertots> reinstall..that url/link doesn't work
[13:30] <telmac> sorry, termbin.com/2vin
[13:30] <telmac> I mistyped
[13:31] <tatertots> telmac: in terminal>      journalctl -p 3|nc 5.39.93.71 9999
[13:31] <telmac> termbin.com/p40s
[13:33] <tatertots> telmac: you will reinstall the operating system at this time
[13:33] <tatertots> telmac: Jul 16 08:55:29 herschel-dell gnome-session-binary[19416]: Unrecoverable failure in required component org.gnome.Shell.desktop
[13:34] <tatertots> telmac: keyword=Unrecoverable
[13:34] <telmac> lol
[13:34] <telmac> any guess what happened?
[13:34] <telmac> https://www.gog.com/game/terraria this was the game, I doubt this could have really broken much
[13:35] <tatertots> telmac: in terminal>     inxi -Fxxprzc0|nc 5.39.93.71 9999
[13:35] <tatertots> telmac: follow instructions to install if not already installed, then follow through
[13:35] <tatertots> telmac: i expect a url/link
[13:38] <telmac> termbin.com/no81
[13:40] <AlexMax> So I'm having freezing issues with 20.04.  It seems like my installation will suddenly decide to sputter and then freeze itself.  If I am playing sounds, it will start to loop over the sound buffer, advancing a little by little until it completely stop.
[13:41] <AlexMax> This most recent time, I checked journalctl and saw this warning message as the last journal message before I reset my machine
[13:41] <AlexMax> https://hastebin.com/eqafubexap
[13:42] <AlexMax> At first I thought it was a graphics card issue, but after using more up-to-date graphics drivers from a PPA and even switching to an old nvidia card the problem persists, so it's not graphics.
[13:42] <tatertots> telmac: what is your local time right now?...approx what time did you install the offending video game?...
[13:43] <AlexMax> I also never recall having freezing issues with Fedora
[13:43] <AlexMax> which I ran for a couple of months.\
[13:43] <AlexMax>  * which I ran for a couple of months.
[13:43] <tatertots> telmac: Jul 16 08:47:02 is the time of failure
[13:43] <telmac> currently 9:43 AM, installed uh, like 8:45 or something idunno
[13:43] <telmac> lol
[13:43] <tatertots> telmac: that matches
[13:44] <vimart> So how's it with package tracking on buntus, are you guys allowing it or switching off of some matters?
[13:44] <vimart> I personally don't give a shit about it.
[13:44] <telmac> hm
[13:44] <tatertots> telmac: ultimately you'll need to reinstall, if i were in your shoes i wouldn't bother with that game anymore unless i had a full back up image of my computer
[13:44] <telmac> tatertots: well, separately, is there any way to do a reinstall from within a live system, and retain the same software installed (the game wont' get installed, it wasn't a .deb or anything)
[13:45] <telmac> rather than going and making a liveusb
[13:46] <tatertots> telmac: nope..you will reinstall from installation media
[13:46] <telmac> :<
[13:47] <telmac> well that's no fun
[13:48] <tatertots> telmac: when you don't have full system backups...thats the way the cookie crumbles...the way the ball bounces
[13:49] <telmac> tatertots: do you have any recommendations for a very simple setup for doing system backups
[13:49] <telmac> I usually don't take up much space, like rn the whole install is like, 15 gb or something
[13:50] <tatertots> telmac: timeshift, clonezilla, g4L/ghost for linux
[13:52] <telmac> any differences between these
[13:54] <tatertots> telmac: yes i arranged by ease of usage for someone who hasn't used them before
[14:53] <flyn4x4> Just a little help please... I think i just need a modprobe ? not sure Wifi intel 8265, I was on 18.04 then the kernel 5 came out and I think wifi is in the kernel now, been using usb tethering with my phone. I upgraded to 20.04 yesterday.
[14:53] <flyn4x4> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KqQXwkbDyZ/
[14:56] <tomreyn> flyn4x4: can you show the driver / wireless initialization from journalctl -b   - or the full log from the latest boot?
[14:57] <flyn4x4> full log like dmesg?
[14:57] <tomreyn> journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:59] <flyn4x4> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/t7nJ9dgyyg/  Dmesg
[15:00] <flyn4x4> no link from jour nc
[15:00] <tomreyn> flyn4x4: hmm, this can happen if the command takes too long to process
[15:02] <flyn4x4> its over 20k lines
[15:08] <flyn4x4> 22765 lines paste ubuntu gave me Bad Gateway twice
[15:09] <flyn4x4> do i need another option other than b to not pagenate?
[15:10] <AlexMax> Is memtest86+ still the go-to for testing memory, or should i busing something else?\
[15:10] <tomreyn> sorry flyn4x4, i was on the phone
[15:11] <tomreyn> flyn4x4: let me see how we can gre for what's reelvant
[15:11] <tomreyn> *grep
[15:11] <flyn4x4> cool
[15:12] <flyn4x4> pci 3
[15:12] <tomreyn> flyn4x4: journalctl -b | grep iwlwifi | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:13] <flyn4x4> https://termbin.com/lmaj
[15:14] <flyn4x4> i installed backport but it didnt work either
[15:14] <tomreyn> AlexMax: it is, but the one in ubuntu is the libre version, vs. the proprietary but free version which also supprots newer hardware from passmark.com
[15:16] <flyn4x4> i also messed with another file iwlwifi-8265-22.ucode downloaded from intel.com
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> flyn4x4: do you still have other kernel versions in your list?
[15:17] <tomreyn> flyn4x4: why?
[15:18] <tomreyn> flyn4x4: can you show more logs around "Jul 16 04:40:14"
[15:18] <flyn4x4> google..
[15:19] <tomreyn> is this a request, a supposed answer to one of our questions (which)?
[15:19] <flyn4x4> 4:40 is just the boot time, it was leftover from windows time.
[15:20] <flyn4x4> the answer to why? i messed with ucode is google
[15:21] <flyn4x4> and the answer to logs is that windows changes the RTC and 4:40 is 9:40
[15:22] <tomreyn> i assume you're meaning to say that you ran web searches on the the situation of the wireless device not working out of the box on ubuntu 20.04, on google web search, and some of the search results suggested that you could download and install some firmware from intel.com?
[15:22] <tomreyn> this is a wild guess, though
[15:23] <flyn4x4> thats right tom
[15:23] <tomreyn> ok, please be more specific in the future.
[15:23] <flyn4x4> but This install has been working for a year
[15:23] <tomreyn> this may help us get a better idea why the wireless device is failing to initialize: journalctl --since='2020-07-16 04:40:10' --until='2020-07-16 04:40:20' | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:23] <tomreyn> didn't you say you upgraded to ubuntu 20.04 just yesterday?
[15:24] <flyn4x4> yes 18.04 do_release-upgrade to 19 to 20.04
[15:25] <flyn4x4> https://termbin.com/pr6c
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> flyn4x4: 19.04 is eol
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> flyn4x4: did you not jump from 18.04 to 20.04 directly?
[15:26] <flyn4x4> no
[15:26] <flyn4x4> i had to edit a file from something lts to normal
[15:26] <Linkandzelda> how is it possible for a fresh 20.04 install to trigger a CBL ip listing?
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> ouch, the dirty method
[15:27] <flyn4x4> instruction from do-realease
[15:27] <leftyfb> Linkandzelda: CBL ip listing?
[15:27] <Linkandzelda> leftyfb: i setup 20.04 on a proxmox VM last night, configured network and went to sleep
[15:27] <Linkandzelda> woke up with IP listed in spamhaus cbl
[15:27] <flyn4x4> it went ok, I still have the same problem though
[15:27] <Linkandzelda> brand new IP
[15:28] <Kanibal> Hey there! Does anyone know, how I can add additional udeb packages during an installation? Specifically, I want to pull in https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/f2fs-tools-udeb to gain mkfs.f2fs during installation
[15:28] <Linkandzelda> even says right now the last detection was 1 hour ago
[15:28] <Linkandzelda> its a blank slate ISO install....
[15:28] <leftyfb> Linkandzelda: sounds like something on your network is causing malicious abuse
[15:28] <Kanibal> The installer shell offers me /usr/bin/apt-install and /usr/bin/apt-setup, but both seem to be just TUI interfaces during the installation process (i.e. no apt-install f2fs-tools-udeb)
[15:28] <leftyfb> Linkandzelda: is there anything else on the same public ip?
[15:29] <flyn4x4> I did have to install system settings though
[15:29] <Linkandzelda> leftyfb: its an IP i purchased from OVH last night, so as far as i know its not got anything else on it
[15:29] <Linkandzelda> it wasnt even hooked up until last night
[15:29] <leftyfb> Linkandzelda: contact OVH
[15:29] <Linkandzelda> i did that, waiting for them
[15:30] <tomreyn> flyn4x4: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1848921 suggests there are still problems with this chipset on 20.04.
[15:30] <tomreyn> wireless chipset, that is
[15:30] <leftyfb> Linkandzelda: is it a VPS?
[15:31] <Linkandzelda> leftyfb: dedicated server on a different IP, with proxmox
[15:31] <tomreyn> flyn4x4: this bios you have is also a bit buggy, but i think this is not related
[15:32] <leftyfb> Linkandzelda: did you fail to change any default passwords on the machine? Did you look at any of the logs of the machine to see what activity might be coming from it? Host and VM
[15:32] <flyn4x4> tomreyn Ok, so it's just not going to work for me, or anyone.. I thought it was something I did. funny thing is the wifi worked on the first version of kernal 5 and then broke again
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: nice find, answer 79 & 80 say fixed on 5.4.-49
[15:33] <Linkandzelda> leftyfb: actually that might be it... i didnt expect anything could happen but i'll see if it got compromised overnight
[15:33] <flyn4x4> im going to check for previous kernels now
[15:33] <leftyfb> Linkandzelda: if you failed to lock it down, then it more than likely got compromised. Confirm it and then completely wipe it and start over
[15:35] <tomreyn> flyn4x4: i thinkt he first thing you should try is to move the firmware you downloaded out of the way, and    sudo rmmod iwfwifi && sudo modprove -v iwlwifi
[15:35] <tomreyn> flyn4x4: i thinkt he first thing you should try is to move the firmware you downloaded out of the way, and    sudo rmmod iwfwifi && sudo modprobe -v iwlwifi
[15:35] <tomreyn> ^ typo fixed
[15:35] <Linkandzelda> leftyfb: just checked, the VM is compromised. i didnt use a strong enough password. thats amazing though
[15:35] <Linkandzelda> so little time
[15:36] <leftyfb> Linkandzelda: I highly suggest wiping it and starting over and then security it with ssh keys and disabling password authentication. Maybe change the port as well.
[15:36] <leftyfb> security/secure/
[15:37] <Linkandzelda> leftyfb: i will do that, i am just checking if the proxmox also got compromised
[15:37] <flyn4x4> tomreyn I have 5.3.0-62 and 5.4.0-40...  ok for the firmware im going to need to boot into windows and copy the file then place it in a folder.
[15:38] <tomreyn> flyn4x4: there's no 5.3.0-62 in ubuntu 20.04, and it should have been removed during the upgrade / after reboot. did you reboot after upgrading to 20.04, yet?
[15:38] <flyn4x4> tomreyn Do i need the old file?
[15:38] <tomreyn> which 'old file'?
[15:38] <flyn4x4> ucode
[15:38] <flyn4x4> its firmware
[15:39] <tomreyn> please be specific
[15:39] <Linkandzelda> leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/raw/Sn505pwr this is shocking that a non-secure password can be breached so easy
[15:39] <leftyfb> Linkandzelda: no it's not
[15:40] <tomreyn> Linkandzelda: not at all, that's happening all the time
[15:41] <tomreyn> non-secure password on default user and service (and network port), password authentication enabled -> compromise is quite predictable
[15:41] <leftyfb> Linkandzelda: this is why we don't condone putting machines out on the open web that haven't been secured
[15:41] <tomreyn> also why ubuntu has better defaulkt which either you or your isp must have deliberately weakened
[15:41] <tomreyn> * defaults
[15:42] <Linkandzelda> tomreyn: which defaults exactly?
[15:43] <tomreyn> Linkandzelda: no password authentication enabled for root
[15:44] <tomreyn> + recommending strong passwords for users
[15:44] <Linkandzelda> tomreyn: root password authentication is disabled of course, i have a user account "user" which allowed password authentication and the password was not that strong
[15:44] <Linkandzelda> disabled with "PermitRootLogin no"
[15:45] <tomreyn> so it was the insecure user password.
[15:45] <leftyfb> never allow password authentication out on the open web. Not with a default port and nor without something like fail2ban running
[15:46] <leftyfb> Linkandzelda: feel free to join #ubuntu-security to discuss hardening your public facing server further
[15:46] <tomreyn> or really not at all, there are very very few exceptions where you need password authentication via ssh
[15:46] <flyn4x4> tomreyn told me i should move the firmware i dowloaded out of the way, ( I think the file iwlwifi-8265-22.ucode is firmware ) Question do I need to put the old file back in place?
[15:47] <Linkandzelda> leftyfb: sure
[15:47] <Mat63> hi
[15:48] <tomreyn> flyn4x4: i recommend you restore the default setup ubuntu 20.04 comes with, and then we can go from there. (and yes, this is a firmware file for intel wireless chipsets)
[15:51] <flyn4x4> tomreyn Then I will be back after some time. Thank you for the help.
[15:53] <Mat63> I have ubuntu installed on the disk. It happens that when I run any program, I write anywhere and move the cursor, it always does so with a delay of up to 15 seconds or more. Check the RAM and it's at 50%! How could I know what is happening?
[15:54] <Mat63> I doubt this operating system is a bad idea
[15:54] <k4rt0ff3lch33t4h> Mat63: 50% RAM is not necessary bad. Actually that's likely fine. The computer tries to shuffle as many stuff into your RAM as it can.
[15:55] <tomreyn> flyn4x4: you're welcome!
[15:55] <Mat63> So what happens with the delays?
[15:57] <Mat63> create swap memory, but it may be that you are using this swap memory before RAM and therefore delays, despite the fact that RAM is not yet at the limit?
[15:58] <Mat63> ?
[15:59] <Grt> Trying to fix this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zsys/+bug/1886214 and tried to follow the fix actions in this thread: https://github.com/ubuntu/zsys/issues/60#issuecomment-609729305 but couldn't run the commands as they were... I ended up removing my whole /boot and remaking it.  I've rerun update-grub and grub-install but got a lot of errors (https://pastebin.com/U1UUqMYx) and am nervous about rebooting.  Is
[15:59] <Grt> there a way for me to check if I have a bootable grub entry before I reboot?
[16:27] <frad> to ocr scanned pdf files I use gimagereader. Is there any better alternative? I just got started with it yesterday
[16:40] <vsdfd> I am stuck on a black screen on a new installation of 18.04.4 (installed 2 days ago). Tty wouldn't open, went on recovery mode and tried setting WaylandEnable=false, didn't work. Tried changing gdm3 to lightdm, now I have a black screen with flashing underline cursor
[16:44] <tomreyn> vsdfd: tell us about your hardware
[16:46] <tomreyn> vsdfd: and please ask in just one channel at a time.
[16:52] <vsdfd> tomrey: oh I see
[16:53] <vsdfd> tomreyn desktop intel integrated graphics
[16:53] <vsdfd> ssd
[16:53] <vsdfd> not much
[16:54] <tomreyn> vsdfd: no other graphics card, like a separate card?
[16:54] <tomreyn> how much physical memory (RAM), if you know? which cpu?
[16:54] <tomreyn> just if you know
[16:55] <vsdfd> I used ubuntu 16 with xubuntu-desktop on it for years, and I had a nvidia 650 ti boost before, but I took out and used the integrated graphics. On this new installation I was already using the integrated graphcis so I did not install any nvidia driver
[16:55] <vsdfd> 8gb ram, intel i5 3570k
[16:57] <tomreyn> vsdfd: boot to revoery again, enable networking (the option may also be called "mount file systems") and post a log online: journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:57] <tomreyn> *recovery
[16:57] <tomreyn> vsdfd: is there a reason you prefer 18.04 over 20.04?
[16:58] <tomreyn> and since you also posted an almost identical question in #xubuntu: are we actually talking about a xubuntu 18.04.4 installation?
[16:59] <vsdfd> I did not have good experiences with upgrading ubuntu, so I didn't think going to the newest thing was the best idea. I though "well, at least a bunch of the problems on 18 are already on the internet, and 20 is new"
[16:59] <vsdfd> tomreyn: I installed ubuntu and than installed the xubuntu-desktop package
[17:00] <vsdfd> I did not mention but I did run systemctl set-default multi-user.target so now I have access to tty
[17:00] <tomreyn> okay, did you make any other changes which could be relevant?
[17:01] <vsdfd> beside changing from gdm3 to lightdm, I don't think so
[17:01] <Grt> I'm trying to troubleshoot this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zsys/+bug/1886214 and was curious if someone could tell me where to find the post-installation script for zsys?
[17:02] <tomreyn> most of the time, the bad experience with upgrading ubuntu is due to installed 3rd-party packages and package version
[17:02] <tomreyn> vsdfd: ^ on a side note
[17:02] <vsdfd> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/3uf7
[17:04] <tomreyn> Grt: /var/lib/dpkg/info/$PACKAGENAME.postinst
[17:04] <Grt> thanks tomreyn
[17:06] <tomreyn> !mtrr | vsdfd
[17:07] <tomreyn> vsdfd: (and your log does say this, and this is likely the source of the graphics issues)
[17:08] <vsdfd> tomreyn: hmm
[17:09] <tomreyn> vsdfd: i'll be gone for a while, enough time for you to read this article. if you'll have questions after you read it, please ask, and point out you're asking about this "mtrr_cleanup: can not find optimal value" message and intel integrated graphics issues.
[17:09] <tomreyn> (and point your your log again, too)
[17:10] <vsdfd> tomreyn: ok. Thank you sir, will do
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> Grt: just for the record, ive seen other users erporting this bug this week, so my bet will be the dev are working on it
[17:25] <TJ-> Grt:  package scripts are found in /var/lib/dpkg/info/${PACKAGE_NAME}.{pre,post}{inst,rm}
[17:42] <bumblefuzz> can anyone help me add a network adapter? I've installed the drivers but it's not working
[17:42] <bumblefuzz> it's RTL8812AU I can pastebin any output you need
[17:42] <bumblefuzz> I've searched and searched and cannot figure it out
[17:56] <Jordan_U> bumblefuzz: What version of Ubuntu? Did you just install the rtl8812au-dkms package from the default repositories?
[18:02] <jeremy31> bumblefuzz: Secure Boot disabled?
[18:06] <Shikadi> Henlo, I've been searching for how to build an Ubuntu image from source, and all I've gotten is a bunch of people saying not to do it. I'm an embedded developer, just trying to get a head start before we get our BSP since I haven't built Ubuntu as an embedded distro before
[18:07] <bumblefuzz> Jordan_U, yes I used ubuntu-drivers
[18:07] <bumblefuzz> jeremy31, I think so
[18:11] <Jordan_U> Shikadi: What do you mean by "from source"? Are you trying to port to a new architecture? Have the packages optimized for a specific processor? Something else?
[18:12] <Jordan_U> bumblefuzz: Please pastebin the output of "lspci -k".
[18:14] <Shikadi> Jordan_U: Generally when doing embedded development, there's a way to build an image for your target that includes all packages, device tree overlays, and custom software. So in a normal development workflow, if I'm developing a kernel module, I would first just build the kernel by itself for development and testing, but for final verification/release you would want the entire image rebuilt, because deterministic reproducible builds
[18:14] <Shikadi> are important
[18:14] <bumblefuzz> oh, it's a USB network adapter
[18:14] <bumblefuzz> Jordan_U, would you rather see lsusb ?
[18:15] <Shikadi> It will be an ARM target, and I'm assuming the BSP will provide us with a way to generate images from source
[18:15] <Shikadi> but we won't have that for a while so I'd like to just look at how it's done "Canonically" pun half intended
[18:15] <Jordan_U> bumblefuzz: D'oh, yes. Though I was hoping to check if it was associated with the kernel module, which I don't think lsusb can do. Please also pastebin the output of "lsmod".
[18:16] <Jordan_U> Shikadi: I guess my question is why do you want to build say, coreutils, from source rather than using the already built arm packages in the repositories?
[18:17] <k4rt0ff3lch33t4h> $versiontime
[18:17] <k4rt0ff3lch33t4h> srry
[18:18] <Shikadi> Jordan_U: It's okay if coreutils is built already if that's the way it's normally done for Ubuntu. But like, at some point, Canonical releases an ISO, and I doubt they're manually coppying and pasting binaries around for the release
[18:20] <Shikadi> Android AOSP for example, you download the repo and run Make, and it takes a day, but then you have your system images. Incremental builds are supported so you don't have to wait a day for minor changes
[18:20] <Shikadi> Yocto, same idea
[18:20] <Jordan_U> Shikadi: I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding the levels of releases here. Release iso images are build from binary packages, not from source packages. The first step is building the entire repository of packages.
[18:20] <Shikadi> Yeah, that's what I came here to understand lol
[18:21] <Jordan_U> Shikadi: At no point are binaries just manually "copied around". Do you use Ubuntu or another distro on the desktop?
[18:22] <Shikadi> I use a few distros, I use Ubuntu desktop for work
[18:22] <vsdfd> I have 8gb ram with integrated graphics on i5 3570k (512mb), should my "cat /proc/mtrr" output be like this: http://termbin.com/yy18 ?
[18:22] <vsdfd> 8600mb
[18:23] <Shikadi> So I know nobody is manually coppying binaries, that's my point, I'm looking to understand how Ubuntu's release process works
[18:23] <bumblefuzz> Jordan_U, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7KpFNNQcyX/
[18:23] <bumblefuzz> and
[18:23] <bumblefuzz> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RN7cR2GVhw/
[18:25] <Jordan_U> Shikadi: This doesn't directly answer your question, and goes into snaps which I have little experience with, but shows what Canonical thinks the canonical process should look like: https://ubuntu.com/blog/embedded-system-cross-development-with-ubuntu-core
[18:26] <Jordan_U> Shikadi: Note that, I think, if you go the snapcraft route then you would need to use Canonical's central Snap store. You couldn't host it yourself.
[18:26] <Shikadi> Jordan_U: I took a look at that, it actually looks really cool and I got excited about it, but then I asked whether or not our platform is going to use Core, and it's not :c
[18:27] <Shikadi> But that's exactly what I'm looking for, just with standard Ubuntu
[18:31] <Jordan_U> Shikadi: Are you planning to have a mostly writeable root filesystem, or a mostly read only one? Or is that part of what you're trying to decide?
[18:33] <Jordan_U> Shikadi: Also, Ubuntu isos are definitely build with an automated process using buildds. I'm looking for the documentation about that, which I know I've read before.
[18:34] <tomreyn> vsdfd: you have 8 registers there. one of them should be reserved for the intel graphics chipset. So you're now looking for a configuration spanning 7 registers, where the "loose cover RAM" is minimal.
[18:35] <tomreyn> that's <= 7 register (but the higher the better)
[18:35] <Jordan_U> Shikadi: (In this case, the "buid daemon" that produces the iso won't actually be compiling any code, just grabbing signed packages from the repositories to be used to build the iso).
[18:35] <bumblefuzz> Jordan_U, anything else?
[18:36] <tomreyn> vsdfd: so look at your log output again, scroll to this huge list where every line starts with "gran_size" at https://termbin.com/3uf7
[18:37] <tomreyn> vsdfd: then identify the line where you have num_reg: 7 (if any), and of those, the one where "lose cover RAM" is the lowest value.
[18:38] <vsdfd> tomreyn gran_size: 32M         chunk_size: 128M         num_reg: 7          lose cover RAM: 30M
[18:39] <Jordan_U> bumblefuzz: It looks like the module isn't loaded. Let's try loading it manually.
[18:39] <bumblefuzz> sorry my internet keeps going out
[18:39] <bumblefuzz> ...another reason to fix this
[18:39] <bumblefuzz> how can you tell the module isn't loaded
[18:39] <bumblefuzz> I'd like to learn something here as well
[18:39] <tomreyn> vsdfd: looks fine to me! now you have found this line, you'll know what to sepcify for mtrr_gran_size and mtrr_chunk_size in /etc/default/grub in the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX line
[18:40] <Jordan_U> bumblefuzz: Sorry, juggling multiple things. I mostly replied quickly so that you wouldn't leave :)
[18:40] <bumblefuzz> juggle away... I'll keep logging back on
[18:40] <bumblefuzz> but my ethernet is shaky for some reason
[18:40] <bumblefuzz> trying to get the wifi to work should help]
[18:41] <Shikadi> Jordan_U: It's probably readonly, I'm more just trying to familiarize myself with the process ahead of time. The development kit will already have a repository with build instructions and customizations when we get it, but in my experience it's been useful to know ahead of time how usptream does it since manufacturers always put their own spin on things
[18:41] <Shikadi> The scripts pulling binaries are probably what I'm looking for
[18:42] <Jordan_U> bumblefuzz: My mistake, I was searching for "rtl8812au" rather than just "8812au". It does appear that the kernel module is loaded.
[18:42] <bumblefuzz> interesting
[18:42] <Shikadi> In theory the scripts could be modified to pull custom binaries I'm guessing, so if we wanted to distribute our own version of OpenSSL with it for example we could point to our repos instead
[18:43] <bumblefuzz> 'ip -c a' still shows no wifi adapter
[18:43] <tomreyn> vsdfd: i just realized the article i pointed you to does not actually explain how /etc/default/grub works. are you familar with this file?
[18:43] <vsdfd> tomreyn with mtrr_spare_reg_nr=7?
[18:44] <tomreyn> vsdfd: shouldn't be needed, but you can add it, too, yes
[18:44] <vsdfd> tomreyn What I put on GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT will be added to grub when lauching linux? like if I went to grub and edited the kernel line with "e" and appended to "linux" line
[18:46] <tomreyn> vsdfd: yes, it will, if you'll also run sudo update-grub afterwards.
[18:46] <tomreyn> vsdfd: the difference to editing the grub menu on the fly is that when yxou edit the configuration file, it will persist across reboots
[18:47] <Jordan_U> Shikadi: The reason I ask is that Live iso images aren't the only thing that Canonical releases, and they're intended to be used to install Ubuntu. They're read only squashfs images that you wouldn't want to use for a permanent desktop installation. Canonical also releases VM and container images, which are writable and are intended to just be deployed and used forever without another "installation" step.
[18:47] <tomreyn> vsdfd: oops, i misread. no you don't want "mtrr_spare_reg_nr=7". if you want to specify "mtrr_spare_reg_nr", then it should be 1
[18:48] <bumblefuzz> why would the adapter not show up if the kernel module is loaded?
[18:49] <tomreyn> vsdfd: mtrr_spare_reg_nr specifies how many registers should remain untouched at this point so that other processes / drivers can still make use of them. like the intel gpu driver, which usually needs exactly one MTRR.
[18:49] <Jordan_U> Shikadi: Making something like the Live iso might be what you want, since it's compressed and its read only nature *might* make atomic updates easier for you. But that depends entirely on how you want to handle updates of your apps / services and how you want to update the OS they run on, and whether you want the same non-atomic process for both (normal "apt update && apt upgrade") or you want to be
[18:50] <Jordan_U> doing something closer to the snap process in the blog post we talked about earlier.
[18:51] <tomreyn> vsdfd: and the reason i don't think you need to specify mtrr_spare_reg_nr at all is that ubuntu kernels are configured to spare one MTRR by default. you can verify this by running:   grep CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER_SPARE_REG_NR_DEFAULT /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[18:51] <vsdfd> tomreyn I disconnected. should be like this: https://termbin.com/o4gfc ?
[18:52] <Jordan_U> Shikadi: Also, you might want to just pay for Canonical support for this. Community support is less likely to be familiar with embedded development and deployment.
[18:52] <tomreyn> vsdfd: i'll repeat what is last wrote:
 vsdfd: mtrr_spare_reg_nr specifies how many registers should remain untouched at this point so that other processes / drivers can still make use of them. like the intel gpu driver, which usually needs exactly one MTRR.
 vsdfd: and the reason i don't think you need to specify mtrr_spare_reg_nr at all is that ubuntu kernels are configured to spare one MTRR by default. you can verify this by running:   grep CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER_SPARE_REG_NR_DEFAULT /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[18:53] <tomreyn> vsdfd: "mtrr_chunk_size_128M" is badly formatted
[18:53] <Jordan_U> bumblefuzz: Please run "dmesg --human | pastebinit" to pastebin all of the kernel logs from this boot.
[18:53] <Jordan_U> bumblefuzz: Shikadi: I'm going to be away for anywhere from 5 minutes to a few hours, but I'll try to check back in with you both.
[18:53] <vsdfd> tomreyn omg I am a dumbass, sorry
[18:54] <tomreyn> vsdfd: personally, i would have added these kernel options to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX, not GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[18:54] <tomreyn> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/440961/grub-cmdline-linux-default-vs-grub-cmdline-linux
[18:54] <sarnold> Shikadi: depending upon what you're trying to do, you may have better success with https://ubuntu.com/core -- you can have systems that do transactional updates without maintainer scripts failing all the time, etc
[18:54] <tomreyn> vsdfd: a little typo, not a problem ;-)
[18:58] <vsdfd> tomreyn Btw I was wondering, is it possible to know why this problem happened? I mean, did this happened because of something I installed or configured? I just wonder why this happen since I used ubuntu 16 with the same pc for a long time
[19:00] <tomreyn> vsdfd: i don't know why exactly this happens. i thinkt he root cause is a buggy bios. but thios does not explain why earlier liunx versions can better work around it than later ones. this would suggest a regression rather. it only seems to occur on older hardware booting in bios mode (as opposed to UEFI), though.
[19:00] <bumblefuzz> Jordan_U, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Vj3ngFRpDV/
[19:06] <vsdfd> tomreyn http://termbin.com/t4vq
[19:07] <vsdfd> tomreyn the "mtrr_cleanup: can not find optimal value" is now gone but no video
[19:07] <vsdfd> tomreyn I still have access to tty but lightdm still is on the black screen with blinking cursor
[19:12] <tomreyn> vsdfd: can you try without    enable_mtrr_cleanup mtrr_spare_reg_nr=1    ? i'll read your log meanwhile
[19:12] <vsdfd> tomreyn sure, thanks
[19:13] <r1ppa> I am trying to troubleshoot an Ubuntu server that is using netplan, I see a netplan config file but the netplan binary will not respond, netplan try or netplan apply will not work, I also see system-networkd.service showing up as inactive and dead?? can someone point me in the right direction lol
[19:17] <r1ppa> this Ubuntu has snap installed, it may have to do with this
[19:18] <sarnold> r1ppa: why?
[19:20] <tomreyn> vsdfd: i missed that you don't have a write-combining MTRR in reg07 (yours is "uncachable": http://termbin.com/yy18 vs "write-combining" at https://github.com/tomreyn/linux_mtrr_size_fix#what-is-a-mtrr ), so i guess this platform doesn't need to reserve one for the intel GPU, but maybe two. So I suggest we look at your earlier log again and pick a configuration with just 6 MTRR ("num_reg: 6")
[19:22] <r1ppa> sarnold: I am not sure, was asked by another admin to look at this but I dont know much about Ubuntu let alone snapcraft
[19:23] <vsdfd> tomreyn so line "gran_size: 32M         chunk_size: 64M         num_reg: 6          lose cover RAM: 30M". and on grub "mtrr_gran_size=64M mtrr_chunk_size=64M" ?
[19:24] <vsdfd> ops, mistyped
[19:25] <vsdfd> tomreyn mtrr_gran_size=32M mtrr_chunk_size=64M on grub?
[19:25] <tomreyn> vsdfd: let'S actually start with lesser registers, just to make sure this approach actually works for you
[19:25] <tomreyn> http://termbin.com/yy18 -> reg04 is the last one that's write-back, the remaining ones are tiny.
[19:26] <sarnold> r1ppa: ah, it might be worth asking the other admin why he or she suspected snaps may be involved
[19:26] <tomreyn> so let's go for num_reg=4 (with one spare, so 5 altogether)
[19:28] <tomreyn> vsdfd: you'll loose more ram, but for the purpose of ensuring this actually is the right approach, let's accept this for now (we can try to squeeze out more later)
[19:28] <tomreyn> vsdfd: so that'd be    gran_size: 256M         chunk_size: 256M         num_reg: 4          lose cover RAM: 318M
[19:29] <vsdfd> oh, I thought it was for num_reg: 5 like you said in parenthesis
[19:29] <vsdfd> ok
[19:30] <r1ppa> sarnold: no its I that was suspecting snaps, I did a "find / -name "netplan" " and it only found the binary within snaps not /usr/sbin/netplan like I would have expected
[19:31] <r1ppa> sarnold: there is however a yaml config for netplan under /etc/netplan/...yaml
[19:32] <vsdfd> tomreyn I looked in my bios and the reserved memory for graphics is 512mb, I don't know if I said that before
[19:32] <tomreyn> vsdfd: 5 registers - 1 register for the GPU (i'm not sure it will take it, though) = 4
[19:32] <sarnold> r1ppa: oh wow, that's not been updated for a year :( -- any idea how you wound up with a netplan snap rather than using the netplan.io package?
[19:32] <r1ppa> sarnold: not a clue, he told me the machine has been off for only 1 month
[19:33] <tomreyn> vsdfd: you might actually want to increase the BIOS setting to 1 GB if you can (this would probably be the highest value you can set).
[19:33] <tomreyn> vsdfd: but do one thing at a time
[19:33] <r1ppa> sarnold: how do I have a yaml config for netplan under /etc/netplan but no binary for netplan? and is it normal for system-networkd.service to show as inactive/dead?
[19:34] <Shikadi> Jordan_U: Thanks for the help, I stepped away from my desk for a while. I guess the VM images or the ISO images are fine for what I'm looking to do right now. The vendor for our development kit already pays Canonical for support, they've already done all the customization needed to run on their board. When they provide us their source, we will modify that for our own boards. Right now I'm just looking to get a general idea of what
[19:34] <Shikadi> Canonical does since the end result won't be much different, so I'll try and look into their VM and ISO image creation
[19:35] <Shikadi> sarnold: Core is cool, but it's not what our vendor supports, so we won't be using that. I could just wait until all the legal stuff works its way through and our vendor gives me the information I'm looking for, I was just hoping for a head start
[19:35] <sarnold> r1ppa: given that that snap hasn't been updated in a year, it might be best to uninstall it and use whatever version of netplan.io ought to have been packaged with the release in the first place
[19:36] <vsdfd> tomreyn http://termbin.com/483j
[19:36] <sarnold> Shikadi: aha, yeah, I can understand that -- the 'release building' process isn't the easiest thing around
[19:37] <r1ppa> sarnold: ok ty I will relay that info, what makes you sure the snap has not been updated in over a year?
[19:37] <tomreyn> vsdfd: alright, did it help, though?
[19:38] <vsdfd> tomreyn same black screen
[19:39] <sarnold> r1ppa: snap info netplan
[19:39] <tomreyn> vsdfd: hmm, i'm sorry then. can you change the reserved ram now?
[19:40] <r1ppa> sarnold: "no snap found for "netplan""
[19:40] <vsdfd> tomreyn in the bios? sure
[19:40] <tomreyn> yes
[19:40] <sarnold> r1ppa: hmm
[19:42] <vsdfd> tomreyn uhm, you mena to 1gb? but I was thinking, with the development tools being more memory hungry, I am kinda having memory shortage already. Many times I will be using swap when I am using chrome with ~20 tabs + 2-3 vscode windows + something else running in the background that uses java, and I am on swap
[19:43] <vsdfd> tomreyn so I am ok with 512mb, I don't use any graphical software in this pc, no games, I use it just to work
[19:43] <tomreyn> vsdfd: okay, then 256 would be fine, too, i guess. my goal here is primarily to set it to just something else and see whether that changes the size of a register in     cat /proc/mtrr
[19:44] <r1ppa> sarnold: also, I notice the netplan yaml states backend renderer to be networkd, the system-networkd.service is inactive and dead, is this normal?
[19:44] <vsdfd> tomreyn oh I see
[19:44] <r1ppa> sarnold: also, the admin told me that he was able to use "netplan apply" when it was last on, first thing I did was check $PATH and try to find binary but its just not there, only in snaps
[19:46] <vsdfd> tomreyn would set this screen to be verbose help in anyway, instead of a black screen
[19:47] <tomreyn> !bootlog | vsdfd
[19:48] <vsdfd> tomreyn I guess all this info is on the logs I am sending already right?
[19:49] <vsdfd> tomreyn http://termbin.com/khoq same issue
[19:49] <sarnold> r1ppa: that's harder to say -- on two of my easily accessible systems, my systemd-networkd.service is inactive and dead, but one is a laptop, and the other started life before systemd-networkd was a thing, so I'm not sure how far to trust either output..
[19:50] <Deknos> is https://packages.ubuntu.com/ broken? every search returns an error
[19:50] <sarnold> r1ppa: the 'system' netplan ought to be in the netplan.io package
[19:51] <oscurochu> I am building a pc, and my video card isn't showing up with lspci and I can't figure out the bios settings
[19:52] <compdoc> make sute the card is seated evenly in the slot, and attach the proper power connectors to the card
[19:52] <compdoc> sure
[19:53] <r1ppa> sarnold: apt list --installed does not have netplan in there, should I just be trying to install from source?
[19:53] <tomreyn> vsdfd: sometimes something is logged to screen by the time the disk is not writable yet, or the logger isn't readdy to cache it to ram before writing it to disk, yet. so thos messages can be lost, but that's only the early ones
[19:55] <sarnold> r1ppa: note that the apt package is netplan.io, not netplan; the snap package is netplan. it's *way* too easy to confuse the two :(
[19:55] <tomreyn> vsdfd: all we really see on your logs (other than several acpi errors) is that "lightdm.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE" and "lightdm.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'." and "gpu-manager[1373]: Error: can't open /lib/modules/5.3.0-62-generic/updates/dkms"
[19:55] <sarnold> r1ppa: (even worse, "netplan" already existed as a debian package, it's a calendar application! sigh)
[19:56] <tomreyn> vsdfd: did you change the RAM assignmen to the GPU in BIOS, and if so, can you tell how much you assigned and show    cat /proc/mtrr     again?
[19:58] <tomreyn> "gpu-manager[1373]: Error: can't open /lib/modules/5.3.0-62-generic/updates/dkms" is irrelevant
[19:59] <oscurochu> The power connector is connected, a light on the gpu comes on, i would assume everything is connected properly.  I tried pulling it out and putting it back in too just to make sure but if I try to jam it in there any harder it might break, i think I'm using more than enough reasonable force
[19:59] <tomreyn> vsdfd: is package "xubuntu-desktop" installed?
[19:59] <vsdfd> tomreyn I set it to 256mb before booting and taking that last log file I sent. cat mtrr: https://termbin.com/gnoc
[19:59] <chucara> Hi guys, a question before I dive too deep into this rabbit hole. I have a machine running Ubuntu Server, and I'd like to use KVM to host a Windows 10 VM. My server is headless. Can I do this? I'm not sure how to connect to it and install Windows after creating the VM with virt-install.
[19:59] <vsdfd> tomreyn xubuntu-desktop installed yes
[20:00] <r1ppa> sarnold: lol ok thanks for the warning, will try to see if the netplan.io package is on rescue disk
[20:02] <tomreyn> vsdfd: so (comparing "cat /proc/mtrr" outputs now and earlier shows tht) the GPU does indeed reserve a write-back register (and the last one that's available) on your platform.
[20:03] <SrPx> Just installed Ubuntu on my new XPS 13. How can I check if all drivers are installed properly?
[20:03] <SrPx> Is there a software for that?
[20:03] <sarnold> r1ppa: another option is to copy the netplan yaml file off to another system and use netplan generate -root-dir .... to read the different yaml, and output systemd configs, into another directory, then copy those systemd-networkd configs back, etc.. I'm not sure if that's easier / harder than moving a netplan.io package around;..
[20:04] <sarnold> SrPx: try sudo ubuntu-drivers install
[20:04] <r1ppa> sarnold: should the netplan package be on ubuntu-18.04.3-server-amd64.iso?
[20:04] <sarnold> r1ppa: it should yes
[20:04] <tomreyn> vsdfd: so, how did you install actually? i guess the installer did have graphical output?
[20:05] <vsdfd> tomreyn xubuntu-desktop? sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop
[20:05] <sarnold> r1ppa: poke around a bit, if there's a pool/ directory then check for pool/main/n/netplan.io/ directory
[20:05] <tomreyn> vsdfd: how did you install ubuntu
[20:06] <vsdfd> iso on a usb drive, formated the partition with ubuntu 16 and installed there using the graphical interface
[20:06] <Jordan_U> chucara: I believe that the idea is that local VMs are supposed to be accessible through the same tools as remote ones. Do you plan to have Virtual Machine Manager running on a machine that does have a display?
[20:06] <vsdfd> tomreyn everything was rock solid til today
[20:06] <r1ppa> sarnold: strange there is no such directory, pool/main/network is there though
[20:06] <sarnold> Deknos: thanks, it's been poked
[20:06] <sarnold> r1ppa: man, I'm just missing *everything* today :(
[20:07] <chucara> Jordan_U I'm just reading about that now. I wasn't really planning on it, as I don't think I'll ever have more than this one VM. The rest is running in Docker.
[20:07] <tomreyn> vsdfd: and the only changes you made between it worked fine and now were? i think you said so before, but please tell me again.
[20:07] <vsdfd> tomreyn what is the probability of this problem continues if I format the computer and do a fresh installation?
[20:07] <chucara> Jordan_U: But I'm actually thinking I'd misunderstood how this worked. So right now, I'm testing the assumption that that KVM will create a VNC server on port 5900 and I can connect to that from a non-headless client.
[20:08] <vsdfd> tomreyn let me check the history to be 100% sure I am not missing something, but If I remeber correctly none
[20:09] <r1ppa> sarnold: any way to get the network working on this server without netplan? I am guessing due to not having the ifdown/up commands I am screwed lol
[20:09] <tomreyn> vsdfd: maybe some update caused it, you can review those in /var/log/apt/history.log
[20:09] <sarnold> r1ppa: you can run ip a commands by hand
[20:10] <sarnold> r1ppa: or dhclient, if it's dhcp allocated..
[20:12] <r1ppa> sarnold: I got statis info, and its wired, just need to set it up
[20:13] <vsdfd> tomreyn I editted "/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc" and added at the end "/usr/bin/numlockx on", when I was trying to make numlock work, but I remember rebooting after and everything was fine
[20:13] <vsdfd> lol
[20:13] <r1ppa> sarnold: err I meant I got the static IP info
[20:15] <vsdfd> tomreyn there is an entry for "unattended-upgrade"
[20:15] <vsdfd> tomreyn snapd:amd64
[20:16] <tomreyn> vsdfd: i don't see how a snapd upgrade would have caused it. but maybe undo the numlockx change for now, just to try.
[20:16] <tomreyn> you can just comment it out.
[20:16] <tomreyn> or rename the file
[20:17] <oscurochu> I found this link that explains that my gpu might not work until I boot the os... am I understanding this correctly? https://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1032007/
[20:18] <vsdfd> tomreyn is there a problem if I disable unattended-upgrade in the future?
[20:18] <tomreyn> vsdfd: no, but you'll want to ensure you get upgrades manually then
[20:20] <vsdfd> tomreyn so this all started with this screen: https://i.stack.imgur.com/yDNID.jpg
[20:21] <SrPx> sarnold: ty
[20:21] <vsdfd> tomreyn but it took very long, enough time for me to make my breakfast and eat it, and I looked online and I found some post saying that it was ok to reset the machine, so I did, and after that hell broke loose
[20:22] <vsdfd> tomreyn I am saying this because I don't remember if I stated that earlier
[20:22] <tomreyn> vsdfd: you didn't. but i don't think this caused it, nevertheless, try preventing hard resets, instead use ctrl-alt-del, or this in the future:
[20:22] <tomreyn> !sysrq | vsdfd
[20:23] <tomreyn> vsdfd: for the mtrrs, i think you should go for a configuration with one more register than you have now
[20:23] <tomreyn> vsdfd: alternatively, undo the configrations for now and see whether the kernel can handle it automatically
[20:24] <vsdfd> you mean remove the custom config on grub?
[20:24] <razorback> Hello. I just updated to Ubuntu 20.04 from 18.04. I noticed that volumes opened with cryptsetup do not show in "Files" application anymore. Is there a way to restore 18.04 behavior?
[20:24] <tomreyn> vsdfd: there's one more thing you should try at some point, but this won't solve the current problem , it may just give you a better user experience once things are fixed:
[20:24] <tomreyn> !acpi_osi | vsdfd
[20:25] <tomreyn> vsdfd: yes, remove the custom config on grub is something you can try, as it doesn't seem that this is really the cause.
[20:26] <vsdfd> tomreyn so maybe I interrupted an upgrade that was going on or something and I should do it manually?
[20:26] <tomreyn> vsdfd: you can also compare the logs of your latest successful boot and the first unsuccessful one. journalctl --list-boots    and    journalctl -b -X    where -X indicates the boot number from the list
[20:27] <SrPx> hey, i'm trying to enable the fingerprint reader on my dell xps 13, but it says "Could not access any fingerprint readers"; what does that mean?
[20:28] <chucara> If netstat is telling me 127.0.0.1:5900 0.0.0.:*, does that mean that VNC (port 5900) is only listening on localhost?
[20:28] <tomreyn> vsdfd: if you interrupted an upgrade then    sudo dpkg --configure -a    and    sudo apt -f install   should normally fix it, and     sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade     should not report any errors afterwards.
[20:30] <tomreyn> vsdfd: those are all the tips i can provide now, and i need to go to bed, way too sleepy. so try those one by one, but first try to work out what you (or the background package updates) changed that may have introduced the error. and do give 20.04 and 18.04 live images a try.
[20:30] <tomreyn> vsdfd: and consider installing a proper xubuntu 18.04 instead.
[20:30] <tomreyn> good luck!
[20:32] <vsdfd> tomreyn ok, thanks
[20:36] <vsdfd> tomreyn I think dist-upgrade did it
[20:36] <vsdfd> tomreyn lol
[20:36] <tomreyn> vsdfd: you mean it introduced the problem, or it fixed it just now?
[20:37] <vsdfd> tomreyn It fixed just now
[20:39] <vsdfd> tomreyn there you go, I hate when I am dealing with a problem and I have to go to bed before being able to fix it. My friend calls it "sleep with anger". I know you weren't the one experience the problem but was helping me anyway so now you can sleep well lol
[20:40] <sarnold> vsdfd: on the other hand, sometimes your brain thinks of the solution overnight and gives it to you in the morning :)
[20:42] <tomreyn> vsdfd: :) i might have worken up at 3 am realizing i should have told you to install the pending upgrades before we spend an hour on black magic of juggling MTRRs around.
[20:42] <tomreyn> vsdfd: but i think you may still want this black magic if the messages prevail. and the other hints can also help.
[20:43] <tomreyn> so, i'm glad you installed those updates, and it fixed whatever was the problem. good night.
[20:43] <vsdfd> sarnold hahaha it's great when that happens
[20:43] <vsdfd> tomreyn good night man, thanks a lot
[20:48] <r1ppa> sarnold: ok I got the ip setup with IP command, brain farting here, how do I make this work on reboots? rc.local set the command manually? been so long I did it this way
[20:51] <SrPx> stupid question, but how on Earth I right click on the XPS 13 on Ubuntu? I have been googling for an answer for the last 10 minutes to no success
[20:56] <SrPx> oh, got it, i need gnome tweaks and then enable fingers on mouse click emulation. of course :P
[20:58] <pavlos> SrPx: https://medium.com/@pck/ubuntu-18-04-fix-for-right-click-not-working-touchpad-issues-40037ff249e1
[21:00] <SrPx> pavlos: weird that by default I wanted the mac-like behavior, but actually it was disabled entirely
[21:00] <SrPx> i also had to manually enable fingerprint scanner
[21:00] <SrPx> anyway, seems like my xps is all good now
[21:00] <pavlos> SrPx: ok
[21:00] <SrPx> is there anything i must do before start using it?
[21:00] <SrPx> pavlos: ah, thanks (:
[21:01] <Grt> Can anyone recommend a tutorial or session on how I might attach a debugger to APT/dpkg?  I'm trying to debug a postinstallation file from zsys, but all I know how to do is insert echo's into the script... which is a horrible thing to do... looking to educate myself on a better way
[21:04] <pavlos> grt does "dpkg --debug=help" help?
[21:26] <sarnold> r1ppa: once you get networking back, then you can install netplan and fix things :)
[21:26] <r1ppa> sarnold: yes thanks doing that now, my admin friend installed netplan calendars!! I did warn him lol
[21:27] <Grt> pavlos, looking into this now thank you! :)
[21:28] <sarnold> r1ppa: haha :D love it
[21:31] <SrPx> weird question, but is there any app that allows me to click anywhere on the screen with the keyboard in a quadtree-like fashion? as in, whenever i want to click, the screen is split in 4. i press a keyboard key to select a quadrant. then it is split in 4. over and over, until im at the right area i want to click
[21:31] <SrPx> yes that would be somewhat inefficient but im just wondering
[21:38] <sarnold> SrPx: if there is anyone in #a11y on irc.gnome.org they may know something off the top of their heads
[21:38] <sarnold> I've seen something like that, absolutely ages ago
[21:40] <pavlos> SrPx: maybe tmux can do that
[21:40] <SrPx> interesting, thanks :)
[21:44] <SrPx> adding xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap to .xinitrc has no effect, is it a known bug2
[21:44] <SrPx> ?^
[21:55] <yelowfish> hi all.how can i screenshot or pause the screen after the grub and before ubuntu logo,its too fast,there is a red text error message something
[21:57] <sarnold> I've used my phone's video recorder to capture errors that happened before logging starts to work
[21:58] <yelowfish> still too fast.cant focus lens
[21:59] <yelowfish> @sarnold
[21:59] <sarnold> dang
[22:08] <yelowfish> what do you that screen?
[22:08] <yelowfish> the screen before the ubuntu logo
[22:15] <pavlos> yelowfish: maybe boot without "quiet splash" ?
[22:15] <yelowfish> ive seen that setting somewhere on bios.hmm
[22:18] <pavlos> yelowfish: ctrl S (pause), ctrl Q (resume)
[22:19] <yelowfish> great! tnx
[22:26] <yelowfish> any other suggestions pls.. too fast for ctrl s
[22:27] <yelowfish> the messages on that screen is just around >5lines
[22:27] <yelowfish> less than 5lines i mean
[22:28] <sarnold> perhaps someone you know has a high-end phone with very high framerate video recording? "slo-mo" feature or similar..
[22:35] <yelowfish> ok.wil try.tnx all
[22:53] <yelowfish> failed to start LSB: QEMU KVM module loading script.  -- is this serious ?
[22:57] <sarnold> you won't be able to use KVM for your VMs until you figure that one out
[22:57] <sarnold> it shouldn't be enough to keep you from booting, though
[22:58] <yelowfish> whats a KVM?
[22:59] <sarnold> KVM is a kernel interface to CPU features that allows for near-native speed virtual machines
[23:00] <sarnold> virtual machines used to be intolerably slow despite really incredible engineering effort -- but the KVM feature combined with vt-x and vt-d features in intel processors and similar features with different names in amd processors, and similar features in other architectures, allow for virtualzation that's almost as fast as native code execution
[23:00] <yelowfish> saw this.its a 4yo solution,still applicable? https://askubuntu.com/questions/785639/ubuntu-16-04-failed-to-start-lsb-qemu-kvm-module-loading-script
[23:01] <yelowfish> tnx btw for the definition
[23:02] <sarnold> yelowfish: It depends upon why you've got the error message; if you never use virtual machines then yeah you just keep deleting libvirt / qemu etc packages until it's gone :)
[23:02] <yelowfish> im still using VM
[23:02] <sarnold> ah then you'll have to do more debugging to figure out what's going on
[23:03] <yelowfish> hmm. il just do a fresh 20min reinstall
[23:06] <yelowfish> is it possible to clone just the OS,usually the source partition should be equal to the destination partition
[23:07] <yelowfish> *source partition size = destination partition size, i mean
[23:09] <Grt> pavlos, craziest thing but I went through all the dpkg --debug levels (including 20000) and got almost no output... the dependencies one gave output but maybe I was using it wrong
[23:10] <Grt> $ sudo dpkg --configure -a --debug=2000  <--- is this legit?  Because it produced no additional debugging output from normal...
[23:10] <sebsebseb> hi
[23:30] <yates> i downloaded ubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso - can i burn this on a flash drive and create an installable live ubuntu usb flash drive?
[23:31] <Bashing-om> yates: Yes, to another USB flash drive.
[23:32] <yates> Bashing-om: can i do this with basic linux tools (dd) or do i need some sort of live usb creator?
[23:34] <Bashing-om> yates: Just install to the flash drive ( provided it is large enough for the uncompressed file system ) from the install .ISO as normal - directing the installer to the correct flash drive.
[23:35] <yates> i'm doing this from fedora; the .iso file is on my fedora 31 machine
[23:35] <yates> nm
[23:35] <yates> i can use ubuntu too - i'll do that
[23:35] <sarnold> yates: dd works great
[23:36] <Bashing-om> yates: Fedora is LVM . I do not know beans about Gentoo, however.
[23:36] <sarnold> yates: many distros have a 'cp' that can write a file to a block device in the same manner as dd, but I don't know which ones.. anyway it's handy to skip all the extra linenoise with dd if your cp has the support
[23:37] <yates> dd if=ubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdX
[23:37] <yates> ?
[23:37] <yates> as simple as that?
[23:37] <yates> (making sure you get the "X" right..)
[23:38] <sarnold> yeah
[23:43] <pavlos> Grt: when I tried it with debug=1000 I got lots of debug info but with 2000 did not show the same and more ... weird
[23:54] <pavlos> Grt: try debug=73000 (which is 40000+20000+10000+2000+1000)
[23:57] <cthulchu> Hi people! I'm looking for a distro that would work/have drivers for Intel HD Graphics 3000. I'm trying to have ubuntu-based distro running on my old HP ProBook 4530s
[23:58] <cthulchu> the default distro doesn't load. it freezes on the black screen saying UBUNTU in the middle