| lotuspsychje | good morning | 01:27 |
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| M_aD | morning | 04:37 |
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| ducasse | good morning | 06:22 |
| * M_aD found some cd's of Ubuntu 7.04, 8.04, 8.10 and 9.04 | 17:51 | |
| joelcrump | they must be old if they fit on a cd | 17:54 |
| M_aD | joelcrump: those were the days | 17:54 |
| joelcrump | win10 won't even fit on a single layer dvd anymore.. but linux will :) | 17:55 |
| M_aD | and memory usage with Gnome 2 on a 32 bit system was 195 to 200 MB | 17:55 |
| joelcrump | hmm wow | 17:55 |
| M_aD | after loadding the desktop | 17:55 |
| daftykins | actually the UK flavour win 10 does, it seems the US one is 1GB larger though | 17:56 |
| joelcrump | oh? | 17:56 |
| joelcrump | interesting | 17:57 |
| daftykins | but... optical media in 2020? i'd fall asleep during boot ;D | 17:57 |
| joelcrump | yeah i keep saying i'm gonna buy a usb drive but i have a whole stack of dvd5s that i want to use up | 17:57 |
| joelcrump | and since i'm not running win10 anymore i can | 17:57 |
| daftykins | i have dozens of flash drives with various OS installs or tools that i have on hand in my backpack when out and about at clients premises | 17:58 |
| joelcrump | the last win10 build i burned to a disk was 1809 (not surprisingly since that happened to be the build that deleted people's data and had other flaws that linux doesn't have) | 18:02 |
| daftykins | there have in fact been similar dramas reported in 'buntu's upgrade history, but try not to buy into these ramblings - it's just what passes for so called tech 'journalism' today | 18:04 |
| joelcrump | well no one's asking for perfection, but these issues with win10 are just bonkers to me | 18:05 |
| daftykins | the vast majority don't get any issues at all, but it's cool to rag on issues and spread the ol' finger pointing, so it persists | 18:05 |
| joelcrump | i mean 1809 didn't delete my data (i didn't even keep hardly anything in my user folder in the first place anyway), but i found other flaws | 18:05 |
| daftykins | overall i'm definitely not a fan of the new model, but it's definitely daft what people believe from reading pieces online | 18:08 |
| joelcrump | if you mean regarding win10, it's true that it's a subset of users, but how can i be assured i'm not part of that? | 18:10 |
| daftykins | that will be true of every OS in the context of upgrades | 18:11 |
| joelcrump | that is true, but not one linux distro i've tried has had any significant problem and moreover they don't fix what isn't broken.. that's what i see win10 doing in recent times, take something that has nothing wrong with it and make it different and not as good as it was before | 18:13 |
| daftykins | so i take it you don't provide support, then? if you haven't seen upgrade issues | 18:13 |
| joelcrump | oh i'm not expert on linux, no | 18:14 |
| joelcrump | i just learn what i need to install and use | 18:15 |
| daftykins | oh i don't mean being an expert, just that i helped out in #ubuntu for over a decade and saw plenty of fail | 18:15 |
| daftykins | your claim that Linux is better off is... amusing shall we say :D | 18:16 |
| joelcrump | i will see what happens in october when i try the upgrade to 20.10, but even if it did mess up, i could just reinstall clean | 18:16 |
| joelcrump | i will make backups in case | 18:17 |
| daftykins | again, true of every OS | 18:17 |
| daftykins | will you learn anything by wiping and not fixing? no | 18:17 |
| joelcrump | if i could figure out how to fix it i would | 18:17 |
| daftykins | there would be no better time to start than when something goes wrong | 18:17 |
| joelcrump | that's true | 18:17 |
| daftykins | that decade of support i mention? i did that from Windows - i don't even use desktop Linux - only servers | 18:18 |
| joelcrump | oh i see | 18:18 |
| joelcrump | well i am using a windows irc client :) | 18:18 |
| daftykins | i SSH to a VM to use irssi with screen | 18:19 |
| joelcrump | i would find console irc clients to be chaotic, too long using mirc | 18:20 |
| daftykins | the only chaos would be visiting #ubuntu with one during troll o'clock | 18:22 |
| joelcrump | yeah when i was looking at the list of ubuntu channels i kinda thought this one would be more my interest | 18:22 |
| rfm | Some time ago ubuntu (maybe debian?) basically got rid of /[s]bin, putting everything in /usr/[s]bin and symlinking /[s]bin to usr/[s]bin. Yet /[s]bin are still in the default PATH in /etc/environment. | 18:24 |
| daftykins | and? | 18:24 |
| rfm | It seems untidy, but the real question is: I already totally override the /etc/environment path in my .profile, anybody see any reason not to clean /[s]bin out of there? | 18:25 |
| rfm | This actually just bit me, because I wanted to find which package had a command in it so I did "dpkg -S `which <command>`' and which found it in /sbin but dpkg couldn't find /sbin/<command> (since it was in /usr/sbin) | 18:27 |
| Jordan_U | rfm: I can't think of any reason not to remove it myself. | 19:58 |
| Jordan_U | rfm: If you wanted to be cautious, you also just move it to be after /usr/{s,}bin/ in $PATH . | 19:59 |
| rfm | Jordan_U, in fact I see /usr/environment does just that, but my .profile didn't, so I shot myself in the foot. I decided to be bold and take it out. | 20:29 |
| daftykins | had it persisted in the same form through upgrade(s)? | 20:31 |
| rfm | do you mean /etc/environment? The one I checked was a recent fresh install. My ~/.profile is the one I've been copying around from machine to machine since I changed from csh to ksh about 30 years ago... | 20:35 |
| daftykins | yeah i meant lingering ~ cruft | 20:37 |
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