[00:02] <guiverc> Andriana20, looking at your video may help, `sudo lshw -C video |pastebinit`
[00:03] <Andriana20> guiverc unfrtely i have no access to that pc atm.
[00:04] <Andriana20> I get access fir 3-4 hours the last four days,  as i am lending a hand to a friend
[00:05] <Andriana20> So it's 3-4 hours a day
[00:05] <Andriana20> So,  what will this command offer?
[00:06] <Andriana20> Oh wait,  i pasted my video earlier today to someone who also tried to help me
[00:06] <Andriana20> Maybe if you update the chat history log,  you can gind it
[00:07] <Andriana20> If it wasnt the video,  ut was definitely something related to it. It was a link i shared that was generated by the terminal though a command
[00:08] <Andriana20> It was 7-8 hours ago
[00:08] <guiverc> that command lists-hardware of class video & pastebin's result
[00:09] <Andriana20> think you can look for it?
[00:10] <guiverc> not currently sorry.
[00:11] <Andriana20> so what can i possibly do after that?
[00:11] <guiverc> (it's not in my chat history as I wasn't online, it'll be on irclogs)
[00:13] <Andriana20> I ve looked for different solutions.  Some say updating the drivers..)(though my gpu is quite old)  others suggest unplugging the vga cable and replugging it
[00:13] <Andriana20> I mean,  there jas to be a way.  Right?
[00:17] <guiverc> A 18.04 release means the 2018-April release, for your old machine the 'drivers' (kernel modules) will already be far newer than your hardware in my opinion.  Some older hardware has support dropped (often for security reasons), but I don't know about your video hardware, 512 in tiny & i've not used <1GB machines in a long time (with rare exception)
[00:19] <Andriana20> So there isn't any way to get through this?
[00:21] <guiverc> I don't know, I can only give my opinion (limited details of your box, why I asked for lshw details) & my experience with 384MB or tiny RAM machines is old, and applies to older releases (older kernels & software stacks thus may not all apply)
[00:21] <Andriana20> Ram size shouldnt matter at all over this resolution issue.  I  had a proper resolution on windows 7 while on 512 ram
[00:22] <Andriana20> Then i could install the older softwafe
[00:23] <Andriana20> Software needed,  i do not see an issue
[00:24] <Andriana20> Low specs was the reason i booted lubuntu in the first place
 Linux can't fix hardware.
[00:25] <Andriana20> You do realise it sounds strange for an os thats especially designed for older systems too,  to be called on lack of support?
[00:26] <Andriana20> kc2bez who said anything about fixing hardware?  Hardware is in quite good state
[00:27] <Andriana20> It's lubuntu's missing the ability to detect the components
 https://lubuntu.me/taking-a-new-direction/
[00:30] <Andriana20> kc2bez No matter which direction you are taking,  you can't escape which one you took in the past. If component drivers are missing,  it's not a user's problem
[00:32] <Andriana20> So if the developers detect any lack of that type,  they may work on it
[00:34] <Andriana20> What do you recommend then?
[00:35] <Andriana20> I ve seen systems of 2002 run on fine resolution.  Thats not thebissue
[00:35] <Andriana20> It surely idnt
[00:36] <Andriana20> Isnt'
 Without the computer in question it is difficult to troubleshoot.
[00:37] <Andriana20> I ve already given the components
[00:37] <Andriana20> graphics AL1716 (1280x1024) 16MB ATI VGA
[00:38] <Andriana20> Not a big deal
 True but it is difficult to try suggestions without testing on the hardware.
[00:38] <Andriana20> Will you be available to talk in 13.5 hours from now?
[00:39] <Andriana20> ! Lets call an arrangement so this is ended
 We're all volunteers here so there isn't necessarily a schedule. I may possibly be around or someone else may be around. Just post when you are at the computer.
[00:42] <Andriana20> Listen,  i did post 8 hours ago,  about the exact same problem,  even after binpasting the link overhere and i got no respond
 8 hours ago I was at work and unable to be in the channel.
[00:43] <Andriana20> I do need to have specifically someone who can handle this during a specific time period e
[00:44] <guiverc> Andriana20, 8 hours ago I was asleep (~2am), if you want support that fits you, use paid support, not volunteers
[00:44] <Andriana20> Could you urge one of your best troubleshooters to shed some attention on this?
[00:44] <wxl> go post it on the forum and the mailing list
[00:48] <Andriana20> How will a post givee a solution?  Live commucation is needed
[00:48] <wxl> because if you provide all the information needed, someone will be able to work with it
[00:52] <flyback> wxl, on the taskbar
[00:52] <flyback> I don't remember lxde having "close" on the very bottom
[00:52] <Andriana20> any european troublesholters?
[00:52] <wxl> flyback: it does
[00:52] <flyback> ok
[00:53] <flyback> thx
[00:53] <flyback> I think I fixed it
[00:53] <wxl> Andriana20: you could sit here and keep trying, hoping and praying that you'll get what you're looking for. or you could make a post. or i'm sure you could find many a person you could pay to do what you want. as far as free support is concerned, though, beggars can't be choosers…
[00:54] <flyback> now if you hit close on purpose or accident it just goes to tray
[00:54] <flyback> and keeps running
[00:54] <Andriana20> wlx what the hell are you talking about malaka?
[00:54] <wxl> malaka?
[00:55] <Andriana20> Who gave you the absurd impression i am begging to anyone?
[00:56] <Andriana20> I dont know anything about beggars,  but big mouth chatters can definitely be chllsers
[00:56] <wxl> the dictionary https://www.thefreedictionary.com/begging
[00:56] <Andriana20> Choosers
[00:56] <wxl> " To ask (someone) for something in an urgent or humble manner"
[00:57] <Andriana20> Hahahah
[00:57] <Andriana20> Then look for ' live technical support'
[00:57] <wxl> whatever you want to call it, you've been offered lots of options. it's up to you what you want to do with it.
[00:59] <Andriana20> Maybe the Software Development company could pay for some staff to do so.  So users don't come to be cled beggars for asking for help for a piece of software that requres technical knowledge on the user's side
[01:00] <guiverc> Software Development company??  Lubuntu is created by volunteers, not a company.
[01:00] <wxl> ^ exactly what three of us have been trying to explain
[01:01] <wxl> that said, i even said there are many folks that would be willing to do what you want for a fee, so like you said, money can make things happen
[01:01] <Andriana20> It is true i was offered options.  But let me decide whether it has been helpful.  Because by that logic,  i could go to a hospital and the nurses tell me to ask somdwhere else for my medical assistance
[01:01] <wxl> whcih they sometimes do
[01:01] <Andriana20> That is an option offering,  but i asked for a simple solution.  Its oksy though
[01:02] <wxl> small towns often don't have the facilities larger hospitals do
[01:02] <Andriana20> You can see it any way you want to
[01:02] <wxl> if it's a simple solutiojn, then it doesn't require "live assistance"
[01:02] <wxl> go post to the forum if you want simple
[01:02] <Andriana20> Then they should be provided ones
[01:02] <wxl> you have been provided options
[01:02] <Andriana20> Or else these hospitals arent working properly
[01:02] <wxl> you just, apparently, don't like them?
[01:03] <Andriana20> Just apparently,  they are not givng a solution
[01:03] <wxl> go post to the forum
[01:03] <wxl> all the information you have
[01:03] <Andriana20> Listen,  you have already expressed your view on what is happening
[01:03] <wxl> i'm sure you will get your solution
[01:04] <wxl> or if you want to deal with someone live exactly at the time of your choosing, pay someone to do it
[01:04] <oerheks> there are more people reading and answering on forums than irc.
[01:04] <wxl> otherwise, you can continue with what you're doing (posting here over and over, i.e. repeating the same behavior and expecting different results)
[01:05] <Andriana20> Wxl Why dont you tell me ablut my behavkor?
[01:05] <wxl> oh forget it
[01:05] <wxl> good luck
 @oerheks [<oerheks> there are more people reading and answering on forums than irc.], It also works better for asynchronous support
[01:05] <Andriana20> What are you tracing?
[01:05] <Andriana20> Good luck to you to
[01:06] <Andriana20> Gold luck with the human beings you are negotiating with aswell
[01:06] <Andriana20> In thefuture
[01:06] <Andriana20> It can mean th difference
[01:06] <tomreyn> Andriana20: i think you made your point. let's move on to something else now.
[01:07] <Andriana20> And also the persoective you use to view someone's situation
[01:26] <Munsko> theres lubuntu-specific apps developed in lxqt?
[01:26] <Munsko> i mean, the developer team of lubuntu have made specifical programs for the distro or are they shared with other lxqt os?
[01:37] <guiverc> Munsko, members of the Lubuntu team have created scripts, apps & code that is used by Lubuntu, but it's not been reserved for ourselves, it's been pushed/offered upstream to LXQt & other Qt users  (I don't see Lubuntu as a lxqt OS, it's Ubuntu with LXQt which can use non-Qt apps too)
[01:37] <Munsko> i see, maybe my question is a bit strange
[01:38] <Munsko> but i was thinking about the translations
[01:38] <Munsko> maybe theres needed some help to translate the apps
[01:38] <Munsko> like the locale(the global system) and specific apps
[01:39] <guiverc> sorry I'm not equipped to offer anything on language/translations
[01:42] <Munsko> hmm
[01:42] <Munsko> i didnt get what you mean
[01:43] <Munsko> i was wondering if the development team need help with translations
[01:44] <guiverc> sorry, thank you for offering, I don't know anything about translations so cannot offer any advice or answers on that topic sorry. You'll need to wait for others.
[01:44] <Munsko> oh, now i get it
[01:45] <Munsko> i will search in forums
[01:46] <guiverc> https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/how-to-help-with-lubuntu-translation/732/2
[01:47] <Munsko> i was just in that topic lol
[01:47] <Munsko> thanks
[01:48]  * guiverc :)
 @Munsko [<Munsko> i was wondering if the development team need help with translations], the translation platform is not yet online.
[01:59] <Munsko> i see
 @Munsko [<Munsko> i see], will be launched for some programs and for translations of the lubuntu manual
[02:00] <Munsko> make translations in a text file is very unpractical,right?
 @Munsko [<Munsko> make translations in a text file is very unpractical,right?], the translation platform is weblate, separate the phrases for the translation, I do not recommend that you do it yet
[02:04] <Munsko> well, lets wait so
 you are from?
[02:04] <Munsko> i have some extra time this days and i tought about help a bit
[02:04] <Munsko> argentina
[02:05] <Munsko> since i know 0 about programation i thought in translations
 you have a spanish group in #lubuntu-es
[02:06] <Munsko> yes, theres just 1 guy, 3 bots and chan lol
[02:06] <Munsko> i dont need the translations, just wanted to help
 is linked with telegram group, with 358 persons
 no problem with that
[02:07] <Munsko> if i speak there they will see it?
[02:07] <Munsko> and vice versa?
 yes
[02:08] <Munsko> i see
[02:08] <Munsko> tought it was abandoned or something like that
[10:37] <luigi> hi
[18:05] <andriana20> Good Evening,I have a computer, year 2005 with the following features:Cpu AMD Sempron 3000+ Palermo 90nm, RAM: 512MB, motherboard microstar LS-7135, graphics ATI Radeon 9200 PRO (1280x1024) VGA Initially the computer was running windows 7 home 32-bit, but due to a slow response, I decided to install lubuntu 18.04.4 32-bit. Everything went great
[18:05] <andriana20> with the installation, except for an issue. Back when i was at windows, the system ran at 1280x780 resolution (confirmed it recently, so its tested resolution that works. About the 1280x1024 in the specs, i got it from speccy, but maybe this resolution also works on my screen.) Unfortunately in lubuntu, the only option for resolution now in screen
[18:05] <andriana20> preferences, is 640x480, 72hz, without giving other options for better clarity (the ones I mentioned above). The first time I tried to resolve the issue, I found a forum post that suggested I use the command 'sudo nano/etc/default/grub'  to edit the file's text line from # GRUB_TERMINAL = console to GRUB_TERMINAL = console . After saving it, the
[18:05] <andriana20> 1280x780 option returned to the preferences.  I selected it,  saved it, but it instantly disappeared . After that, and restarting the computer, the system could no longer load lubuntu os in any way and i had to reinstall them via dvd. Since then, I have obviously avoided doing such an action again, but with the little knowledge I have, i ran
[18:05] <andriana20> xrandir on the terminal,  but unfortunately the only available resolution shown is 640*480.. Do you have any solutions to this?  Any help will be appreciated..
[18:19] <diogenes_> andriana20, run in terminal: lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3 | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:19] <diogenes_> ahare the url
[18:20] <andriana20> ok
[18:21] <andriana20> one sec
[18:21] <andriana20> https://termbin.com/9i8x
[18:25] <diogenes_> andriana20, and now: ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:26] <andriana20> it returns no such catalog or file exists 8(
[18:27] <diogenes_> andriana20, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i agpgart | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:29] <andriana20> Ok, it run, but nothing returned by terminal
[18:29] <andriana20> shall i now run the previous one?
[18:30] <diogenes_> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep agpgart
[18:30] <diogenes_> does it show anything?
[18:30] <andriana20> ran again, but no output
[18:30] <diogenes_> ok this one: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i radeon | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:31] <andriana20> got it
[18:31] <andriana20> https://termbin.com/9x3u
[18:33] <diogenes_> ok let's see the entire xorg log: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:34] <andriana20> https://termbin.com/w32c
[18:38] <diogenes_> andriana20, ls usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:40] <andriana20> no such file or catalog
[18:40] <diogenes_> oh sorry my bad, i ate a slash: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:40] <diogenes_> wait
[18:40] <diogenes_> wrong
[18:41] <andriana20> oh ok
[18:41] <diogenes_> ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:41] <diogenes_> multitasking :)
[18:41] <andriana20> https://termbin.com/dj3a
[18:46] <andriana20> is that any help?
[18:51] <diogenes_> andriana20, not so fast.
[18:56] <diogenes_> andriana20, xrandr | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:56] <andriana20> ok @diogenes_
[18:56] <andriana20> it said
[18:56] <andriana20> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[18:56] <andriana20> and then returned
[18:56] <andriana20> https://termbin.com/8zgs1
[19:00] <diogenes_> andriana20, cvt 1280 780 | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:00] <andriana20> https://termbin.com/drcn
[19:02] <diogenes_> andriana20, now run here in the chat: /exec xrandr | grep " connected " | awk '{ print$1 }'
[19:02] <andriana20> run in the chat? how!
[19:02] <andriana20> i copied and pressed enter
[19:03] <andriana20> did it work?
[19:03] <diogenes_> and did you get any result?
[19:03] <andriana20> noo...
[19:03] <diogenes_> ok then  in terminal:  xrandr | grep " connected " | awk '{ print$1 }' | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:03] <andriana20> Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[19:04] <diogenes_> nothing more?
[19:04] <andriana20> unfortunately no
[19:06] <diogenes_> andriana20, ok we can try a thing a bit risky one but all is fixable.
[19:06] <andriana20> ok
[19:06] <andriana20> letțs do it
[19:08] <diogenes_> andriana20, sudo mkdir /usr/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
[19:08] <diogenes_> just say when done
[19:09] <andriana20> no such directory or catalog exists
[19:09] <andriana20> file*
[19:09] <diogenes_> oh wait
[19:09] <diogenes_>  sudo mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
[19:11] <andriana20> done
[19:11] <andriana20> ok
[19:11] <diogenes_> pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY leafpad /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-vesa.conf
[19:11] <andriana20> a text file opened
[19:11] <andriana20> 20-vesa.conf
[19:12] <andriana20> (leafpad:6044): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: 22:11:37.686: g_dbus_proxy_new: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed
[19:12] <andriana20> this is what the terminal returned
[19:12] <diogenes_> ok in minute i'll give you what to paste into that opened document.
[19:12] <andriana20> ok
[19:12] <andriana20> hope it goes well
[19:15] <diogenes_> andriana20, one more output i need (run it in another terminal):  cvt 640 480 | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:16] <andriana20> https://termbin.com/12rj
[19:20] <diogenes_> into that empty document paste the content of the following link: http://dpaste.com/3QM0FGF
[19:20] <diogenes_> close, save and run: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-vesa.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:21] <andriana20> ok , a quick question first
[19:21] <andriana20> do we want 1280x780 or 1280x1024 (max screen res)?
[19:21] <diogenes_> andriana20, we take one step at a time.
[19:21] <andriana20> ok
[19:22] <andriana20> save file??
 close, save and run: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-vesa.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:22] <andriana20> close what?
[19:22] <diogenes_> yeah, first save then close :)
[19:22] <andriana20> oh
[19:22] <andriana20> ok
[19:23] <andriana20> https://termbin.com/s1uf
[19:25] <diogenes_> andriana20, i missed a few lines, again because mutitasking, run: pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY leafpad /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-vesa.conf
[19:26] <andriana20> ok, a file opened
[19:26] <andriana20> terminal returned (leafpad:6164): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: 22:26:06.854: g_dbus_proxy_new: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed
[19:26] <andriana20> 20-vesa.conf
[19:27] <diogenes_> remove everything and paste the following: http://dpaste.com/24ZQXAB
[19:27] <diogenes_> save, close and: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-vesa.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:28] <andriana20> https://termbin.com/1d58
[19:30] <diogenes_> ok looks good, now before you reboot, write down somewhere the following command: sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-vesa.conf && systemctl reboot
[19:30] <andriana20> like on a paper?
[19:30] <diogenes_> if after reboot you get a black screen with a blinking cursor then you need to:
[19:30] <diogenes_> 1) press ctrl+alt+f1
[19:31] <andriana20> sh!t
[19:31] <diogenes_> 2) enter your username and password
[19:31] <andriana20> last time it gave me this black screen with the cursor i couldnt do anything
[19:31] <diogenes_> 3) sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-vesa.conf && systemctl reboot
[19:31] <andriana20> i did ctrlaltf5 and it didnt respond
[19:31] <diogenes_> now write those command down on a paper and go ahead and reboot
[19:32] <diogenes_> in any case if you have a DVD, we can always boot from DVD and fix the problem from there.
[19:32] <diogenes_> i mean not reinstalling but fixing.
[19:32] <andriana20> oh ok
[19:32] <andriana20> tell me when i should reboot
[19:32] <andriana20> i wont be able to type
[19:32] <diogenes_> now
[19:33] <andriana20> wish me luck
[19:33] <diogenes_> luck :)
[19:36] <andriana20> diogenes_ the system rebooted
[19:36] <diogenes_> and?
[19:36] <andriana20> but still in the same resolution :(
[19:36] <diogenes_> and what does xrandr say?
[19:37] <andriana20> Still says 640*480 at all cases. Damn
[19:37] <andriana20> As if we did nothing
[19:37] <andriana20> That's sickening
[19:38] <andriana20> We did all we could?
[19:39] <diogenes_>  cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:42] <andriana20> One sec
[19:45] <andriana2027> its like a HUGE text @diogenes_
[19:45] <diogenes_> hm?
[19:46] <andriana2027> a very big text returned on terminal
[19:46] <andriana2027> i ll send it in private
[19:46] <diogenes_> no wait, it shoukd have returned only url
[19:46] <diogenes_> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:46] <andriana2027> i ll try once more
[19:47] <andriana2027> https://termbin.com/3d3m
[19:51] <diogenes_> andriana2027, run: sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-vesa.conf
[19:51] <andriana2027>  it returned nothing
[19:54] <diogenes_> pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY leafpad /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-vesa.conf
[19:55] <diogenes_> i'll send you in private what to put in there.
[19:55] <andriana2027> ok
[19:55] <andriana2027> the 20-esa file is empty
[20:01] <andriana20> diogenes_
[20:01] <andriana20> It rebooted
[20:01] <andriana20> Same
[20:01] <andriana20> Unfortunately
[20:02] <diogenes_> ok in priv i'll give you another one.
[20:07] <andriana2042> hi
[22:18] <oerheks> at least you have the recent bios
[22:19] <oerheks> maybe you suffer a bad ram issue, try to determin what memory is bad?