 nice video showing the results of flashing Halium 9 / UBports GSI  to a Redmi Note 7  https://youtu.be/eGjplOtzSFI
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 @TotalSonic [nice video showing the results of flashing Halium 9 / UBports GSI  to a Redmi No …], Nice
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[05:03] <ubptgbot> <Silas Santana> @TotalSonic [nice video showing the results of flashing Halium 9 / UBports GSI  to a Redmi No …], Can I use this gsi for redmi note 8?
[05:03] <ubptgbot> <Silas Santana> Or here have some port for redmi note 8?
 @Silas Santana [Can I use this gsi for redmi note 8?], I don't know - it's not my video - was just sharing it.
 @Flohack [Too.Slooow..Progress... When they are finished with that most devices will be de …], And what do you suggest?
 @AllHafRA [And what do you suggest?], Sadly, not every device is a good porting target. We are now putting gears into getting Android 9 Support done and also Non-Android phones. Android 10 is out, 11 will come soon. We have to skip forward, and so probably its better you try to find a more modern device. Mainllining is nice, but by the ti
[07:15] <ubptgbot> me you are on par with all drivers, if ever, since you wont be able to get all sources you need, the device is irrelevant to consumers. If you want to proliferate the Android dominance, you need masses of users, and they want modern hardware.
 @Flohack [Sadly, not every device is a good porting target. We are now putting gears into …], I absolutely don't want dominance android). I dream that the developers of separate free operating systems will normally unite and create one system that, after ten years of development and ecosystem expansion, will be able to free consumers (wh
[07:23] <ubptgbot> o will no longer be "consumers") at least in the mobile market 😊 … And fiddling with drivers really does require more rational work.
 My "wet" dreams😁
 @AllHafRA [My "wet" dreams😁], True that about dreams. My return is: Even with the best OS in terms of freedom and openness, you need users. If nobody uses it its useless. So, you need so also perceive how users see mobile devices in 2020, 2025 etc. And basically the usage of a mobile device is also bound to certain hardware properties. Y
[07:28] <ubptgbot> ou need to give them a decent hardware with a good OS. That wont work by reverse-engineering ton of old devices. Most users want new hardware. Batter life problems. Broken screeens and switches. 2nd hand devices have a risk.
 only things we can do is wait for UEFI revaled for ARM/RISC-V?
 [Edit] only things we can do is wait for UEFI/BIOS revaled for ARM/RISC-V?
 @twilipi [only things we can do is wait for UEFI/BIOS revaled for ARM/RISC-V?], That would be somethings.
 @twilipi [only things we can do is wait for UEFI/BIOS revaled for ARM/RISC-V?], [Edit] That would be something.
 @twilipi [only things we can do is wait for UEFI/BIOS revaled for ARM/RISC-V?], Hmm mobile SoCs hardly ever have an UEFI BIOS, what are you talking about?
 @Flohack [True that about dreams. My return is: Even with the best OS in terms of freedom …], Well, who doesn't want to do, finds many excuses, right? Breaking into the mobile market against two titans is a difficult task, but achievable - remember what it was like for them in the beginning? They had only freshness platform and unique fe
[07:51] <ubptgbot> atures. How did users find out about them? Advertising. How did users suffer from early version bugs? The developers quickly fixed it - it felt like a serious approach. Confidence and dynamism are what a new mobile OS needs. How can this be ensured? The developer association, which I already mentioned, and sponsors. The app store should already be
[07:51] <ubptgbot> expanding at this stage. It is also useful in marketing to point out to the user the disadvantages of the systems used and the advantages of yours. Do you think choosing an android 10 years ago was the user's choice? Marketing decided for people. You just need to give a little push, and when a person comes here and sees that the system does not wat
[07:51] <ubptgbot> ch him, is less demanding on the hardware, it is free and secure, financially beneficial, and in the center of applications there are the necessary ones - he will remain. In Russia, android smartphones already cost $ 140 - if only they bought these spy probs. As if they were more expensive to produce before ... And the hardware of the iPhone is not
[07:51] <ubptgbot>  worth the huge price tags - a continuous damn market. So why play by these rules?
 @AllHafRA [Well, who doesn't want to do, finds many excuses, right? Breaking into the mobil …], Well thats true for an initial market opening with early adopters etc. But, now so many years later, you have totally different situation. Human beings are strong in comparing things. Compare old vs new, blue vs red etc. The human brain is a hu
[07:54] <ubptgbot> ge neural comparator in fact. All our life decisions are made through comparing advantages vs disadvantages - 24/7 every day all time. Okay not when we sleep lol. … So, if nothing is there, you can easily convince people to buy X. But, and we know this from now 4 years into the project. Peoples questions in this group and many others are primarily:
[07:54] <ubptgbot>  Will this phone be equivalent to my current phone, and allow me to do all things I do now? Thats a question you must answer. People primarily do not want to have a loss in comfort, be it open or closed source. And I am talking about the masses, not a few 1000 tech nerds.
 I also think you're missing the part where Ubuntu Touch doesn't have the same budget as Google and Apple has, @AllHafRA
 You have to aim initially for the question: How will thsi phone convince 100 to 200k people to swap instantly to UT ? Well thats not easy
 And then later, lets say 10k people per day
 And we would still take many years to get into a reasonable market share
 Its a fact you need a modern hardware for this. So better look what we can do with todays hardware than try to stick with 5 year old devices forever
 Okay, what's the problem with changing the strategy a little - to provide an immediate ready-made ecosystem for the end user? But for this you need resources - no more developing dozens of separate operating systems. If you take their app stores and put them together, it will be released on 2 google stores. And in general, it seems to me
[07:59] <ubptgbot>  that it is necessary to transfer the desktop system to a smartphone - this is more promising.
 @Lorxu [I also think you're missing the part where Ubuntu Touch doesn't have the same bu …], No one with a huge budget is born except the children of billionaires.
 @AllHafRA [Okay, what's the problem with changing the strategy a little - to provide an imm …], Well unifying things is hard in open source. People work not for money but for ideals. Now tell them that the App store they developed for 3 years needs to go away for a "better one".
 Thats why we have so many forks. People wont give up what they babysitted
 Except you pay them lol
 Create a system where you can install all these app formats or make someone cry. If nothing has changed, then nothing will change. As stupid as it sounds. The huge disadvantage of an open community is the lack of a leader. As a result, a collective that can fight back is scattered over a vast territory and provides food only to private e
[08:12] <ubptgbot> xploiters.
 @AllHafRA [Create a system where you can install all these app formats or make someone cry. …], Well yes but then again, if you were the leader, what do you do to make people follow you :)
 It hurts me for Linux ...
 The excuse man deserves a monument in the city center.😊
 We will continue to write code for our own pleasure, because "yes, but", "yes, but", etc.
 @AllHafRA [Create a system where you can install all these app formats or make someone cry. …], Its also its strength. Big companies with a leader sometimes follow a bad track because the leader believes in it. Big companies are also very inefficient in general. Only through competition with other companies they can achieve good progress. T
[08:16] <ubptgbot> he Open Source world is mostly vital through its internal competition as well.
 @jonny [Its also its strength. Big companies with a leader sometimes follow a bad track …], Well I disagree. Companies even with low competition are successful if they create a vlaue for the customers. In Opensource there is no pressure for making money, so often things are created that ordinary users dont see the value. Its a fact. Lets
[08:17] <ubptgbot> create value
 Even with a monopoly, if you are the only company for product x, you cant be successful if no one buys your stuff
 @jonny [Its also its strength. Big companies with a leader sometimes follow a bad track …], Microsoft is only one, this role is already taken)
 And I don't really understand what kind of competition exists in the open community, if 1-2% uses about these products (on desktop, for example)
 @AllHafRA [And I don't really understand what kind of competition exists in the open commun …], Yeah as I said its not competition its about fulfilling the wishes of customers. Usability and value
 @Flohack [Yeah as I said its not competition its about fulfilling the wishes of customers. …], But I am quite comfortable in Linux-desktop. I cannot start 1-2 games due to drivers and 2-3 games due to anti-cheat, but this is no longer a Linux problem. All other games and software work great for me, I litter my system myself (and not a co
[08:28] <ubptgbot> rporation that dictates) - is this not happiness on a desktop? This is a very delicate question of human psychology, not software problems. Have you tried implementing Linux in college where everyone was working on Windows? There were such ridiculous questions of elementary computer illiteracy, not related to the comfort of Linux itself - I had to
[08:28] <ubptgbot> teach them what Windows did not try to teach them. It was so funny.
 What is it for? For example, Linux-Desktop needs advertising, it is already quite comfortable. By combining your efforts in the mobile segment and thoroughly engaging in advertising, you can do the same. If the majority is engaged in excuses or programs only for their own pleasure, then of course a leader is needed to promote such an OS.
 The main thing is to prevent the appearance of the second apple. God forbid.
 The user buys a smartphone for $ 130-150 and gets an open system in which there are applications he needs and everything works fine. Oh, I shed a lot of tears ...
 (Sticker, 512x451) https://irc.ubports.com/3u8nRcOa.webp
 @AllHafRA [But I am quite comfortable in Linux-desktop. I cannot start 1-2 games due to dri …], Well you can try to convince people of benefits - thats what Marketing is doing all the time - but you will quickly find out that ordinary users, while finding privacy and openness important, also want to have not too much drawbacks. Good camer
[08:38] <ubptgbot> a, WhatsApp, banking apps - why they should give up this, what works for them for years?
[08:40] <ubptgbot> <Captain Pugwash> My pinephone just auto updated! Awesome!
 What I wrote above assumes the presence of all the applications you listed ...
 You do not have a compelling argument for masses that don´t know and don´t care about technical details. You need to step out of the Nerd basket, and try to answer questions like: Who is taking care of App security? In a federated world, who is preventing malicious apps passing small app stores run by a few enthusiasts? Who can encrypt a
[08:40] <ubptgbot> device really successfully? Who can recover data from the cloud when you loose your device? Thats all things we are not able to answer right now. Openness creates risk. And risks are scary
 @Captain Pugwash [My pinephone just auto updated! Awesome!], Yes, until we believe in our strength, we rejoice in little things) ...
 Our openess actually makes the devices less secure then even early Android versions.
 [Edit] Our openess actually makes the devices less secure than even early Android versions.
 @Flohack [Well I disagree. Companies even with low competition are successful if they crea …], In my short life I have seen enough activities in companies that didn't provide any value. In contrast, an Open Source project needs to provide value as well or it will just live a sad life without users. Who wants to maintain software without use
[08:42] <ubptgbot> rs?
 @Flohack [Our openess actually makes the devices less secure than even early Android versi …], Doesn't this apply to the Linux kernel? Probably because there is Linus and his "no"?
 @AllHafRA [And I don't really understand what kind of competition exists in the open commun …], Competition does not just start with 700 Mio. users. Competition starts the moment where a handful of users decide between different solutions.
 @jonny [In my short life I have seen enough activities in companies that didn't provide …], Exactly I dont maintain anything for myself ^^
 @AllHafRA [Doesn't this apply to the Linux kernel? Probably because there is Linus and his …], The kernel has nothing to do with it, its about how Android secures the bootloader, the boot images and the unlocking of the device itself with hardware tools. They are proprietary and protected by signing keys from Google and the vendor, to fen
[08:45] <ubptgbot> ce off any tampering attempts. We could only do this if we get our keys into the hardware.
 Currently anybody can get data off a stolen or lost UT phone if he can boot it into recovery and connect a cable.
 Okay, I get you. I'm starting to build a monument)
 (Photo, 1024x768) https://irc.ubports.com/ZlRtnK41.png Something like this:
 @Flohack I've been wondering about the 'openness' problem as well.  it seems all the mobile distros would be more easily compromised than desktop Linux.  Has much thought gone into this or is it mainly focused on 'get it working now and figure out the rest later'?
 @blihp [@Flohack I've been wondering about the 'openness' problem as well.  it seems all …], Desktop Linux is as easily compromised if you dont enable full encryption file system. Which nobody I know does.
 Like any PC. Also Windows.
 @Flohack [Currently anybody can get data off a stolen or lost UT phone if he can boot it i …], I did that to an old Samsung phone once. The screen broke and I managed to unlock the bootloader and scrape off some data. It sounds like full disk encryption would be the way to solve this part.
 Windows now has Bitlocker in place that uses the TPM mobule. Thats quite nice
 speak for yourself ;-)  That's my point though: you can secure desktop Linux.  Mobile Linux seems to be lacking on this front in comparison.
 Full disk encryption is one of our most wanted features. The problem for that is: You need a GUI to unlock it, means certain parts of the OS must be already running. YOu need the touch screen working etc. So full encryption will not be there, probably only user data folders
 So when you encrypt it, you also need a good backup. Its unacceptable that users would loose their data if the device breaks the screen eg.
 I would personally not use a device with that risk in place. Remember what I said before, risks are scary
 Yep.  There's a ton of stuff that mobile Linux won't be able to do anytime soon because there aren't all of the supporting services people take for granted in the iOS and Android world
 I've been dealing with things like how do I deploy/manage/backup these little ARM devices around my house for over a decade now... it's work!
 Why did you even start talking about security on mobile OS? Android users do not care about their security at all - just do memory encryption in your OS and it will be better than the security of the android. Does porting a desktop system to a mobile platform imply porting and security technologies? Make isolated containers, leave import
[08:56] <ubptgbot> ant operations with a strong password, and the openness of applications and OS will provide frequent security patches.
 @AllHafRA [Why did you even start talking about security on mobile OS? Android users do not …], Yes users dont care. Thats why Android comes with enforced security. You cannot opt out. They wanted to make it worry-free for users, they dont need to think about this part of security. Thats what you need to do, fulfil the job for your users,
[08:58] <ubptgbot>  and dont explain to them how they could make it. enforce it, thats the only way how to prevent disasters
 What you are talking about is quite nice, but again, if I get physical access to the device and can boot a recovery or flash my own bootloader its compromised. mem encryption, container all nice. But I download the full flash offlinbe
 And no, making mobile devices should not take over the security from a desktop, it should make it even better. desktops are not lost or stolen that much :D
 Sorry, I find it difficult to continue this topic, because I remember the success stories of companies that wanted to achieve this, and in this case, I believe that the problems are not in the software, but in the people who deal with it (that is, here I can only get personal, and this is already a non-constructive dialogue).
 We can give counter-arguments for a long time while more determined people take over the market. And I think that the time has come when the open community should come together for a common goal, and not cherish its ego in separate projects. And all of the software problems listed above can be solved in a shorter time.
 @AllHafRA [We can give counter-arguments for a long time while more determined people take …], Well human behaviour. The coming-together part will simply not happen unless you pay everybody fulltime equivalent of cash. Same for me, I will not implement anything that I am not convinced its a good thing, or I get paid for it. If you pay me
[09:14] <ubptgbot> I write anything you like, be it glorious or stupid. If you don´t pay me, I decide what will be the goal. Thats more or less whats happening. And I can understand it, we all need to live, to take care for our families etc. So, if I devote my precious free time for Ubuntu Touch, it should make sense for me
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/rZTYXOKU.png Foto da Cosimo
[11:27] <ubptgbot> Linux was added by: Linux
 Hello, are there any way to block sms from some number or just block every sms not from phonebook?
 Thank you
 To block calls, there is F-Call Pro but it doesn't work for SMS. I believe there is nothing else for the time being.
 Oh... I really need to block sms, so anoying ads 😩. Thank you anyway
 @Linux [Oh... I really need to block sms, so anoying ads 😩. Thank you anyway], Make a feature request into messaging app plz, Lionel is happy to analyze it ^^
 @Flohack [Make a feature request into messaging app plz, Lionel is happy to analyze it ^^], How to do that?
 @Linux [How to do that?], Create an account on Github. Go to here: https://github.com/ubports/messaging-app/issues - press New issue, write.
 Ok, thank you
 lol
 humm that would need some work...
 but blocking contact/number is often requested
 [Edit] hugh not an easy task...
 @lduboeuf [but blocking contact/number is often requested], Yes... please add it. Thank you so much
 well i don't even know where we could put the "spam" contact list.... :)
 [Edit] well i don't even know where we could put the "spam" contact list.... :) ( database or file )
 and i see impact on > 4 components ...
 @lduboeuf [and i see impact on > 4 components ...], Could this filter be applied to push notification server? Just thinking loud.
 @lduboeuf [well i don't even know where we could put the "spam" contact list.... :) ( datab …], Whatever is easiest. 😎
 humm yeah interesting to do, but how would i find enough free time to do it 😢
 @Danfro [Could this filter be applied to push notification server? Just thinking loud.], No, SMS is coming from your local Modem
 the simplest I can think of is just isolating the list of blocked sms in the messaging app but the user will still be  notified about it. I guess this needs to be implemented in ofono?
 Hey everyone! We're looking for someone to translate the PineTab Getting Started guide to French. Results can be sent in this group or to me as a .odt file.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/B9wL2aBm.odt
 I forward your message to french channel
 @Javacookies [the simplest I can think of is just isolating the list of blocked sms in the mes …], I think there is a component that is called "approver" in telephony-service could be responsible for that
 I see, I'm not really familiar on this so I'm just guessing 😅
 but maybe i'm wrong lol, there are so many layers and services ^^
 so many messages to wake up to
 (Photo, 799x598) https://irc.ubports.com/ZJATkmgQ.png An experimental Ubuntu 18.04 ISO with Lomiri is now available at https://mega.nz/folder/XVZCRQrR#ISFdufta_3ZbacJahEzzFA … You can grab a torrent copy here: https://k-jtan.ca/torrents/distributions/ubuntu-unity/ … It isn't installable, but is a LiveCD for testing purposes. Please note th
[14:35] <ubptgbot> at it is extremely experimental and not stable at all at the moment and most of the apps crash. Lomiri looks awesome! … Here's a demo of the experimental build: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcRsluQRZpg&feature=youtu.be
 (Photo, 799x600) https://irc.ubports.com/AAHpmyT7.png
 (Photo, 799x598) https://irc.ubports.com/8h8HQz6m.png
 ❤
 @dohbee [no, 5.12], aww guess you gave up on 5.15 for now
 a stupid question, is there anyway to add some custom keyboard input method to UT's virtual keyboard?
 as one of my major non-english/non-roman typing method isn't exist in UT
 @AllHafRA [But I am quite comfortable in Linux-desktop. I cannot start 1-2 games due to dri …], wasn't going to say anything but your posts really tempt me lol. Really linux's problem isn't "fragmentation" as that just a side effect of the freedom it gives, nothing is "forced" everyone add what they deem valuable. the only thing holding
[15:26] <ubptgbot> it back is like flo said: people comparing it to existing os's and most notoriously; can i run x app. that's all it needs really. those "popular" apps are already coming to the linux desktop slowly and what do we see? the market share steadily increases it was at an all time high this year iirc. … and that's also the case for ubuntu touch, let the
[15:26] <ubptgbot> os mature and run on modern devices and as people come in and enjoy we'll gain support for popular apps as more and more will request it
 @twilipi [a stupid question, is there anyway to add some custom keyboard input method to U …], no, support for traditional input method plug-in stuff never got added afaik
 @twilipi [a stupid question, is there anyway to add some custom keyboard input method to U …], you'll need to modify the keyboard code in keyboard-component to do that
 what method is that if i may ask?
 @Fuseteam [you'll need to modify the keyboard code in keyboard-component to do that], something like this thing, that's one of the 3 major typing method for Chinese society despite of pinyin and chewing https://github.com/Cangjians/ibus-cangjie
 yeah, there's no ibus stuff in lomiri afaik
 @Fuseteam [you'll need to modify the keyboard code in keyboard-component to do that], [Edit] something like this thing, that's one of the 3 major typing method for Chinese society (the other 2 are pinyin and chewing for Mainland China and Taiwan respectfully ) https://github.com/Cangjians/ibus-cangjie
 what would a cangjie keyboard look like on an OSK though?
 android/ios have one?
 ah cangjie
 (Photo, 1200x675) https://irc.ubports.com/1J3rG70G.png something like this
 i suppose a feature request on keyboard-component in order
 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.inputmethod.latin … google's Gboard has implemented as the image
 yeah. i'd suggest making a PR to keyboard-component to add such a keyboard; based from the xenial branch
 @Fuseteam [i suppose a feature request on keyboard-component in order], great
 file the feature request at https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component
 [Edit] file the feature request at https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component please
 [Edit] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.inputmethod.latin … google's Gboard has implemented as the image above
 [Edit] i suppose a feature request on keyboard-component is in order
 @Fuseteam [file the feature request at https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component please], cool I'll post that feature request later
 that looks pretty normal. I think it'll be fairly simple to create such layout
 i think the layout itself is rather easy: replace the qwerty layout with the correct characters
 the challenge is to interpret the characters correctly
 @Fuseteam [the challenge is to interpret the characters correctly], actually the biggest challenge is to port the logic
 @Fuseteam [the challenge is to interpret the characters correctly], [Edit] actually the biggest challenge is to port the inspiring and searching algorithm
 that's what i'm calling the "interpretation"
 @Fuseteam [that's what i'm calling the "interpretation"], I see
 as with cangjie you rarely actually type the character on the label of the key
 [Edit] as with cangjie you rarely actually type the character on the key
 oh yeah, I forgot about that, it's a not a simple entry of each character 😅
 but there are existing similar layouts already so I guess those can be reference
 yeah like zhuyin and korean
 @Fuseteam [as with cangjie you rarely actually type the character on the key], you can but as you say there's tons of combination instead of one, like "一"(one)，just simply type "一" and get the result, or "碼“(code) has 5 combinations of 一口尸手火 … the main mechanic is to use those character's iconic characteristics to search a word
 @Fuseteam [yeah like zhuyin and korean], not like zhuyin(chewing), this is actually like japanese, to describe a tone pattern of a Chinese character
 the history of that is during 1910s people want to reform bulky Chinese character with a much simpler phonic words however it failed, and it revived in Taiwan due to ease of teaching pronunciation, just like pinyin's word Romanization
 [Edit] the history of that is during 1910s' enlightenment movement, people want to reform bulky Chinese character with a much simpler phonic words however it failed, and it revived in Taiwan due to ease of teaching pronunciation, just like pinyin's word Romanization
 [Edit] the history of that is during 1910s, people want to reform bulky Chinese character with a much simpler phonic words however it failed, and it revived in Taiwan(or Republic of China, during this era) due to ease of teaching pronunciation, just like pinyin's word Romanization
 seal script is so nice to look at though
 but cangji is the way of guessing of hand writing pattern, away from zhyyin
 @dohbee [seal script is so nice to look at though], yeah but it's too old even for me isn't really that easy to recognize some of it, lol
 even if i can learn to speak perfect mandarin, i will probably never actually learn to read written chinese
 let alone to write it
 @twilipi [you can but as you say there's tons of combination instead of one, like "一"(one) …], yeah i don't know the details very well yet thanks for the insight
 @twilipi [but cangji is the way of guessing of hand writing pattern, away from zhyyin], yeah we were talking about not directly inputting the character on the key but searching a database/file for the correct one
 @dohbee [even if i can learn to speak perfect mandarin, i will probably never actually le …], that's the truth of learning Chinese (character) as second language, even simplified, you still have to memorize some of the most important characters in order to write, even for me some of the word is still quite un recognizable due to its rare
[16:44] <ubptgbot> usage, mainly remember 1000-3000 words/phrases for daily usage is already a good user though, simply keep use it via experience
 @dohbee [even if i can learn to speak perfect mandarin, i will probably never actually le …], i actually doubt the feasibility to speak "perfect" mandarin but not able to read a single sentence in written form tbh
 @twilipi [that's the truth of learning Chinese (character) as second language, even simpli …], did you learn it as a second language?
 @Fuseteam [i actually doubt the feasibility to speak "perfect" mandarin but not able to rea …], well reading pinyin sure; but actual han characters, maybe a few, but whole novels and scientific papers and phone documentation no way
 for me, even I've learnt Mandrin, the experience difference still give me some challenges to type it easily
 @Fuseteam [did you learn it as a second language?], Chinese as first writting language, but Mandrin is second speaking language, Cantonese is my mother tounge
 at least i can usually audibly tell the difference between mandarin and cantonese
 @dohbee [well reading pinyin sure; but actual han characters, maybe a few, but whole nove …], pinyin can only get you so far really xD but yeah technical jargon and whole novels is way different level lol
 anyway, i think we've gone a bit off topic down the slope, from getting a new keyboard layout :)
 Ti bu tong xD
 @twilipi [Chinese as first writting language, but Mandrin is second speaking language, Can …], ah cool
 @dohbee [anyway, i think we've gone a bit off topic down the slope, from getting a new ke …], true that xD
 i kinda tried learning chinese through donghua in the past, there wasn't enough subbed donghua at the time actually to do that, so i kinda digged into it :p
 anyway that algorithm is the biggest challenge for a possible canjie layout in malliit
 @dohbee [anyway, i think we've gone a bit off topic down the slope, from getting a new ke …], sorry for talking too much offtopic stuff … anyway, I've posted a feature request in the github repo, hope someone will follow up, no rush
 thanks for that o7
 and tis fine even rodney went along down the slope this time lol
 we do have @UBportsOF too fwiw
 [Edit] we also have @UBportsOF fwiw
 @Fuseteam [anyway that algorithm is the biggest challenge for a possible canjie layout in m …], https://github.com/fcitx/fcitx-table-extra/blob/master/tables/cangjie5.txt … fcitx can also give you some handful database for it
 hmm interesting can you add that to the feature request?
 i'm growing more confident in the feasibility of adding it
 simply the main logic for getting a word is to target the most similar code pattern, like word inspiration for english or other languages, but in a specific code
 @Fuseteam [i'm growing more confident in the feasibility of adding it], OK
 yeah but that shouldn't be too different from how zhuyin or japanese reads a database from a certain set of characters if i'm not mistaken
 or how autocorrect works technically :P
 i'll add the fcitx link to the feature request for now
 oh, this is cool: https://twitter.com/ubuntu_unity/status/1285169202232320000?s=20
 @Fuseteam [or how autocorrect works technically :P], AFAIK, base on the fcitx's list, it's a bit hard to give tolerance due to characteristics of finding writting pattern, but in this documentation, there's a way to "autocorrect", is to add a wildcard key (like Z key, a reserved key for cangjie), using a wildcard between first and last ca
[17:16] <ubptgbot> n help inexperienced user to find a correct key
 @Fuseteam [or how autocorrect works technically :P], [Edit] AFAIK, base on the fcitx's list, it's a bit hard to give tolerance due to characteristics of finding writting pattern, but in this documentation, there's a way to "autocorrect", is to add a wildcard key (like Z key, a reserved key for cangjie), using a wildcard between first and
[17:18] <ubptgbot> last(if needed) can help inexperienced user to find a correct key
 and there's a code limit of 5, so it can limit the searching complexity
 https://cangjians.github.io/projects/ibus-cangjie/documentation/
 @mateosalta [oh, this is cool: https://twitter.com/ubuntu_unity/status/1285169202232320000?s= …], That's awesome!
 but for the phrase, there's couple of ways, one is to make custom dictionary once user makes an phrase(combination of characters) after typing … another way is to implement a seperate phrase dictionary, like this: … https://raw.githubusercontent.com/rime/rime-cantonese/master/jyut6ping3.phrase.dict.yaml … https://github.com/rime-aca/dicti
[17:33] <ubptgbot> onaries/blob/master/luna_pinyin.dict/luna_pinyin.extended.dict.yaml
 [Edit] but for the phrase, there's couple of ways, one is to make custom dictionary once user makes an phrase(combination of characters) after typing … another way is to implement a seperate phrase dictionary, like these: … https://raw.githubusercontent.com/rime/rime-cantonese/master/jyut6ping3.phrase.dict.yaml … https://github.com/rime-a
[17:33] <ubptgbot> ca/dictionaries/blob/master/luna_pinyin.dict/luna_pinyin.extended.dict.yaml
 perhaps you'd like to join https://t.me/UBports_devel to discuss possible implementation details with somoene working on the feature @twilipi
 @Fuseteam [yeah but that shouldn't be too different from how zhuyin or japanese reads a dat …], those txt are base on one of the advanced multi-platform open source IME built for Chinese user called RIME, and those are their(one of the) phrase dictionary, in order to implement phrase suggestion
 @dohbee [perhaps you'd like to join https://t.me/UBports_devel to discuss possible implem …], although I'm a IT student, but I have no such development history though
 (Sticker, 440x512) https://irc.ubports.com/TIrodexH.webp
 and please don't use pepe stickers in our community :)
 oh sorry
 @mateosalta [oh, this is cool: https://twitter.com/ubuntu_unity/status/1285169202232320000?s= …], Looking forward to seeing this go stable eventually and trying it out on one of my x86 tablets.
[20:32] <nontrivial> Hello folks. I'm looking to get Ubuntu Touch running on a desktop PC. I managed to find an  ubuntu-touch-mainline-generic-amd64.img file and it starts to boot up but hangs. I've participated in software projects before but I have to admit I don't know where to start on this one.
 it's an image for qemu
 ```qemu-system-x86_64 -hda ubuntu-touch-mainline-generic-amd64.img -vga virtio -display gtk,gl=on -m 2G -enable-kvm```
[20:36] <nontrivial> Is there a repository somewhere I can clone and tinker with?
[20:46] <nontrivial> Hmm, never used qemu before, I'm an application developer not a system developer. I'm running Unity on 18.04 as my daily driver (have been using Ubuntu for over decade) and it doesn't like the display option. Leaving that option of it still hangs in the same spot as when I try to run it in VirtualBox. Is there any documentation I can read on how the image is generated?
 didn't you start a thread on the forum about it?
[20:50] <nontrivial> Yup.
 i don't recall exactly how it gets built, but the CI job where you downloaded the image from will have links to it in the build log i'm sure
 and i'm pretty sure the image can be written to a USB to boot directly on hardware or such
 no you can't make it into an ISO
[20:54] <nontrivial> Believe me, I've been all over that page and there is no information on who or how it was made. But I just figured out what I was doing wrong trying to get it to mount with a loopback, so I guess I'll mess around with the contents and see what I can find. But if I don't know where the source is I can't contribute anything I figure out back to the project.
 there isn't a single source repo for ubuntu touch
 Is there something like a feature list, which stuff is working on which devices like there is for sailfishos or postmarketOS?
 no, we don't have a massive table like that
[21:33] <ubptgbot> <⁢⁢⁢⁢⁢ ⁢⁢⁢⁢⁢ ⁢⁢⁢⁢⁢ ⁢⁢⁢⁢⁢ ⁢⁢⁢⁢⁢> @mateosalta [oh, this is cool: https://twitter.com/ubuntu_unity/status/1285169202232320000?s= …], nice !
 @nontrivial [Hello folks. I'm looking to get Ubuntu Touch running on a desktop PC. I managed …], see the twitter post i just linked
 With anbox being a bit spotty what about virtualizing Android on a bit more powerful processor like the rockpro64 that could stay home running the random Android apps like WhatsApp then through VPN run WhatsApp web? Would let me run Ubuntu touch daily driver...?
 anbox doesn't virtualize android
 and well with ARM you can just run straight android on a device if your goal is to keep it running WhatsApp for you to use whatsapp web
 Sorry meant virtualize Android via qemu. Don't want to waste a whole rockpro64 to Android for WhatsApp. So have it running qemu kvm for Android plus other services
 Since it wouldn't be efficient to run qemu or even anbox directly on the phone
 Trying to be creative to get around a few crutches
 why wouldn't it be efficient to run anbox on the phone, assuming it became supported to do so?
 granted, you won't get the full app experience from the android app either way
 I had understood it would be a big battery drain. Basically looking for a "now" stopgap until anbox more possible.
 I know core devs have other priorities so trying to work with the current state of things. Dont need WhatsApp calls just pick up the messages and give an occasional reply and don't want to double carry :-)
 so you already have a phone running whatsapp just to use whatsweb?
 No drop the Android phone RIP. Set up Android virtualization on a mini server not on battery but on mains to run WhatsApp and other Android only services that are linked to the new Ubuntu only phone via VPN. Simple right? :-)
 you don't need to VPN back into the same network where the whatsapp android apps is running, no
 and why not just run it in an android-x86 VM on a PC?
 But need to be on the same lan when not at home to use WhatsApp web.
 no
 ?? WhatsApp web is saying keep device active assumed talked over lan maybe not that helps.
 Yeah could run Android x86 but I drank the pine64 Kool aid for home server :-)
 no. you just have to keep the whatsapp android app running
 If don't need VPN that makes it easier
 Could keep the server running 24/7 this way and still be connected when not home? Cool!
 yes
 until you get logged out or whatever and have to scan the QR code again with the android app
 So Android on aarch64 host a bit more questionable? Or not possible?
 I'll be testing this I almost have WhatsApp anbox running on the server....
 well anbox can run, i don't know if there's any VM images made for running android in a VM on ARM though
 So could go that way too possibly
 Yeah that is where is am stuck do sing Android qemu image...
 Ok TKS I'll stop filling the list. Point is I think there are many unable to full-time Ubuntu touch due to a few Android dependencies
 So if it were known may help others make the jump
 Do you know if anbox more possible on armhf vs aarch64?
 Aarch64 it says not supported even though I almost have it running :-)
 i don't think snaps exist for ARM yet, and maybe no "official" anbox image. alpine has anbox and android image for ARM though if you're using that
 or otherwise go ask for help in the anbox group i guess
 Anbox telegram group or forum?