[16:12] <jrwren> remember when someone did research into using h264 for VLC but said it wasn't a good solution?  https://mtlynch.io/tinypilot/  I think their research was flawed.
[16:13] <cmaloney> Why does this feel like a shit way of reimplimenting RDP?
[17:41] <_stink_> emotional roller coaster for me
[17:41] <_stink_> when i read "under $100", my cheapskate brain got angry.  that's not cheap!
[17:41] <_stink_> then when i read the proof of concept name, Key Mime Pi
[17:41] <_stink_> i felt great joy
[17:47] <jrwren> why would it be shit? How do virtual game companies work?
[17:56] <cmaloney> Maybe I'm just not understanding the point
[17:56] <cmaloney> I'm slow. :)
[17:56] <jrwren> the point I want is for things like YT videos to flawlessly play in my remote session.
[17:58] <jrwren> nvidia moonlight stream, remotr, someo thers all do it, why isn't an open source equivalent widespread to replace VNC and remote X?
[18:05] <cmaloney> Honestly if we could get decent compression for X I'd be a happy camper
[18:06] <jrwren> yeah, h264 or 5, or AV1 is decent compression.
[18:07] <jrwren> I miss the days of LBX, but XRENDER basically made it pointless.
[18:07] <cmaloney> I'm still in the camp that X is still a great protocol, but I know I'm in a vanishing minority
[18:08] <jrwren> I am too, but since nothing uses it, it is rather pointless.
[18:08] <jrwren> It is a dead protocol and GL is used on top of it instead.
[18:09] <cmaloney> Yeah, I think GL pretty much toasted it
[18:09] <jrwren> when everything is GLX or ____, it isn't really the X protocol being used.
[18:09] <cmaloney> and I know it's a security nightmare
[18:09] <jrwren> wtf is that other one that gets used for drawing by everytrhing?
[18:09] <cmaloney> erm
[18:09] <cmaloney> Vulkan?
[18:10] <jrwren> nah, that is just opengl ;)
[18:10] <jrwren> cairo
[18:10] <cmaloney> God, I'm drawing a blank
[18:10] <cmaloney> I thought Cairo was more of a GNOME drawing thing
[18:10] <cmaloney> for layout stuff.
[18:11] <jrwren> it started that way, but AIUI, it is generic and low level enough that things flipped and now QT and GTK are implemented in cairo
[18:11] <cmaloney> Huh. I'll have to look into it again
[18:12] <cmaloney> last I used it was for some PDF rendering for Pango / Weezyprint
[18:12] <cmaloney> last I thought about it, actually
[18:13] <cmaloney> It would make sense though
[18:13] <jrwren> i see it come up in things like, "oh we can run GTK in a web browser now" and the reason they can is because they are using cairo
[18:13] <cmaloney> Ah, neat
[18:21] <jrwren> related: https://blogs.igalia.com/itoral/2020/07/23/v3dv_vulkan_driver_update/
[18:21] <jrwren> :)
[18:22] <cmaloney> Nice!