| slashd | o/ | 14:55 |
|---|---|---|
| sil2100 | o/ | 14:58 |
| ddstreet | o/ | 14:59 |
| rbasak | o/ | 15:01 |
| rafaeldtinoco | o/ | 15:01 |
| rafaeldtinoco | Upcoming: Eric, Łukasz, Teward, Rafael, Dan, Robie <wrap> | 15:02 |
| slashd | I can chair, but I'm a bit behind in term of what is ongoing atm. I apologize for that btw. | 15:03 |
| rafaeldtinoco | sil2100: ^ | 15:04 |
| slashd | I'll go ahead and chair but I may miss a few things here and there. | 15:06 |
| slashd | #startmeeting DMB meeting | 15:06 |
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| slashd | #topic Review of previous action items | 15:06 |
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| slashd | #subtopic rafaeldtinoco pkgset tooling full documentation (being worked, carried until mentioned) | 15:06 |
| rafaeldtinoco | these are the long term action items | 15:06 |
| slashd | still at the same state ? | 15:06 |
| slashd | right | 15:06 |
| rafaeldtinoco | yep, just mention those | 15:06 |
| rafaeldtinoco | and move on | 15:06 |
| slashd | #subtopic rafaeldtinoco to check edubuntu seed <-> pkgset relationship (generation) and if edubuntu pkgsets can be dropped (carried over) | 15:07 |
| slashd | #subtopic rafaeldtinoco to create, for now, a small "what-to-do" for pkgset changes in -devel (document exceptions inclusion for DMB team) (carried over) | 15:08 |
| rafaeldtinoco | git.launchpad.net/~developer-membership-board/+git/packageset | 15:08 |
| rafaeldtinoco | i still need to finish | 15:08 |
| slashd | #subtopic rafaeldtinoco link team delegation from dmb kb page when reading ddstreet updates (carried over) | 15:09 |
| slashd | rafaeldtinoco Any updates on those items ? or all good for now ? | 15:10 |
| rafaeldtinoco | sorry | 15:11 |
| rafaeldtinoco | my time in the meeting to talk | 15:11 |
| rafaeldtinoco | nope, only the documentation | 15:11 |
| rafaeldtinoco | item is almost finish | 15:12 |
| rafaeldtinoco | but I still have to create the wiki page | 15:12 |
| rafaeldtinoco | and link to the dmb wiki pages | 15:12 |
| slashd | thanks rafaeldtinoco anything we can do to help ? | 15:12 |
| rafaeldtinoco | yes. please | 15:13 |
| sil2100 | How can we help? | 15:13 |
| rafaeldtinoco | id like help from someone in the edubuntu seed <-> pkgset relationship | 15:13 |
| rafaeldtinoco | you can get the packageset tool from the git repo I pasted | 15:13 |
| rafaeldtinoco | and follow the README file and check | 15:13 |
| ddstreet | i can take that action item | 15:13 |
| rafaeldtinoco | edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (from germinate) | 15:13 |
| rafaeldtinoco | and check if we should add something to exceptions, or any bigger change there | 15:14 |
| ddstreet | slashd can you give me action item for that | 15:14 |
| rafaeldtinoco | thanks a lot @ddstreet | 15:14 |
| rafaeldtinoco | busy weeks I had | 15:14 |
| rafaeldtinoco | well you too | 15:14 |
| rafaeldtinoco | thanks for sharing the burden lol | 15:14 |
| ddstreet | yep np, i've wanted to understand the seed/pkgset tooling better so this is a good excuse :) | 15:14 |
| rafaeldtinoco | nice, its all in Makefile now | 15:15 |
| rafaeldtinoco | and feel free to push things to the repo | 15:15 |
| slashd | #action edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (ddstreet) | 15:15 |
| rafaeldtinoco | or MR for me to review | 15:15 |
| meetingology | ACTION: edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (ddstreet) | 15:15 |
| slashd | We have no applicant today. Is there anything else we need to discuss or something I missed ? | 15:16 |
| ddstreet | are you going thru the mailing list items in the agenda? | 15:16 |
| * slashd looking | 15:17 | |
| slashd | #subtopic Request for delagate team for DKMS modules (Francis Ginther) | 15:17 |
| slashd | seems like the vote went on the ML ^ | 15:18 |
| ddstreet | do we want to just vote on it now? | 15:18 |
| ddstreet | or keep it on ML? | 15:18 |
| sil2100 | Yeah, I think the people that didn't vote could vote now | 15:18 |
| sil2100 | We could follow up on the thread for consistency | 15:19 |
| ddstreet | i'm fine voting now if we want to queue up a vote for it | 15:19 |
| slashd | I'm fine with both (ML or proceed with a vote now) | 15:20 |
| slashd | I think we have quorum today anyway | 15:20 |
| ddstreet | let's just vote now, yeah | 15:20 |
| ddstreet | i think there are 2 motions https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-July/001540.html | 15:20 |
| slashd | #vote Please vote on: Request for delegate team for DKMS modules | 15:21 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Please vote on: Request for delegate team for DKMS modules | 15:21 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 15:21 |
| ddstreet | slashd shouldn't we vote on the 2 motions separately? | 15:21 |
| ddstreet | i mean maybe we'll all vote the same for both, but probably should allow for voting separately? | 15:21 |
| sil2100 | I guess this is for the first motion I assume? | 15:22 |
| slashd | #endvote | 15:22 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Please vote on: Request for delegate team for DKMS modules | 15:22 |
| meetingology | Votes for:0 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 15:22 |
| meetingology | Deadlock, casting vote may be used | 15:22 |
| ddstreet | sounds good yep, this roudn is for motion #1, Create a DKMS packageset defined as "Packages that ship DKMS | 15:22 |
| ddstreet | modules that need updating to support new kernel versions" | 15:22 |
| slashd | #vote Please vote on: Motion 1: Create a DKMS packageset defined as "Packages that ship DKMS | 15:23 |
| slashd | modules that need updating to support new kernel versions" once we have | 15:23 |
| slashd | further agreed upon at least one uploader to be able to upload to this | 15:23 |
| slashd | packageset. | 15:23 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Please vote on: Motion 1: Create a DKMS packageset defined as "Packages that ship DKMS | 15:23 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 15:23 |
| sil2100 | +1 | 15:23 |
| meetingology | +1 received from sil2100 | 15:23 |
| ddstreet | +1 sounds reasonable to me | 15:24 |
| meetingology | +1 sounds reasonable to me received from ddstreet | 15:24 |
| slashd | +1 | 15:24 |
| meetingology | +1 received from slashd | 15:24 |
| rafaeldtinoco | +1 | 15:24 |
| meetingology | +1 received from rafaeldtinoco | 15:24 |
| slashd | #voterequired 4 | 15:24 |
| slashd | rbasak also +1'd in the ML | 15:26 |
| slashd | #endvote | 15:26 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Please vote on: Motion 1: Create a DKMS packageset defined as "Packages that ship DKMS | 15:26 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 15:26 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 15:26 |
| slashd | #vote Please vote on: Motion 2: Create a DKMS packageset uploading team once we have further | 15:27 |
| slashd | agreed upon at least one uploader to be added to this team. | 15:27 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Please vote on: Motion 2: Create a DKMS packageset uploading team once we have further | 15:27 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 15:27 |
| slashd | #voterequired 4 | 15:27 |
| sil2100 | +1 on this one as well | 15:28 |
| meetingology | +1 on this one as well received from sil2100 | 15:28 |
| ddstreet | +1 the stated restrictions appear to limit this team to just the dkms modules, which i believe is the intention/goal of the original request, so seems reasonable and appropriate | 15:29 |
| meetingology | +1 the stated restrictions appear to limit this team to just the dkms modules, which i believe is the intention/goal of the original request, so seems reasonable and appropriate received from ddstreet | 15:29 |
| slashd | +1 | 15:29 |
| meetingology | +1 received from slashd | 15:29 |
| ddstreet | slashd is the directive '#votesrequired' (with an s, not r)? | 15:29 |
| ddstreet | oh actually just missing the s, maybe | 15:30 |
| slashd | #votesrequired 4 | 15:30 |
| meetingology | votes now need 4 to be passed | 15:30 |
| rafaeldtinoco | is this the same motion ? | 15:31 |
| slashd | motion 2 | 15:31 |
| rbasak | Same as the one I emailed? | 15:31 |
| rafaeldtinoco | ah ok | 15:31 |
| rafaeldtinoco | +1 | 15:31 |
| meetingology | +1 received from rafaeldtinoco | 15:31 |
| rafaeldtinoco | yes | 15:31 |
| rafaeldtinoco | i was going to say that | 15:31 |
| rbasak | +1 | 15:31 |
| meetingology | +1 received from rbasak | 15:31 |
| slashd | #endvote | 15:31 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Please vote on: Motion 2: Create a DKMS packageset uploading team once we have further | 15:31 |
| meetingology | Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 15:31 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 15:31 |
| slashd | Who wants to take action on these 2 motions ? | 15:32 |
| rbasak | There are no actions yet | 15:32 |
| rafaeldtinoco | we got nothing from them yet | 15:32 |
| rbasak | Until we have an uploader approved | 15:32 |
| slashd | all good then | 15:32 |
| slashd | next topic.... | 15:33 |
| slashd | #subtopic Adding Yaru to the desktop set for focal (Marco Trevisan) | 15:33 |
| slashd | do we need to vote for that ? | 15:34 |
| ddstreet | probably not, it seems simple enough, it's already in g, i can take action item for it unless anyone else wants it | 15:35 |
| slashd | ddstreet: I'll take care of it if no one has it yet | 15:35 |
| ddstreet | sounds good, thnx | 15:36 |
| slashd | #action Adding Yaru to the desktop set for focal (slashd) | 15:36 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Adding Yaru to the desktop set for focal (slashd) | 15:36 |
| slashd | #subtopic RFC: auto-generated packageset for Canonical OEM enablement metapackages (Iain Lane) | 15:36 |
| slashd | Something to mention here ? | 15:37 |
| ddstreet | not sure if Laney is around? | 15:37 |
| ddstreet | this request seemed, to me, very reasonable, but i think i would prefer to have the mentioned script already created before voting on the new packageset | 15:38 |
| ddstreet | also it wasn't clear to me who would be running the script, and if there would be any human review of its updates (e.g. if it's run on a crontab) | 15:39 |
| slashd | maybe preferable to then addresse those point to the ML and vote when we have all the infos in next DMB mtg(s) | 15:39 |
| Laney | i'm here | 15:39 |
| Laney | what up | 15:39 |
| ddstreet | re: oem packageset | 15:40 |
| Laney | I mean the script is like | 15:40 |
| Laney | for pkg in all_packages: | 15:40 |
| Laney | if fnmatch.fnmatch(pkg, 'oem-*'meta'): | 15:40 |
| Laney | packageset.add(pkg) | 15:40 |
| ddstreet | i assume it would need to be run regularly by a DMB member? or via cron somewhere? | 15:41 |
| Laney | ya something like that, or the oem team can poke you to run it | 15:41 |
| rafaeldtinoco | can be integrated in the packageset repo | 15:42 |
| Laney | or I guess one option would be to make the set owned by another team | 15:42 |
| rafaeldtinoco | and run in crontab or manually | 15:42 |
| Laney | like ~ubuntu-archive or ~ubuntu-sru | 15:42 |
| Laney | then they can run it themseves | 15:42 |
| slashd | sil2100 ^ Any thoughts on that ? since you are in both group | 15:43 |
| Laney | probably -archive since we're talking about uploading to NEW here | 15:43 |
| Laney | then the dmb's role will be handling applications for new uploaders, but not managing the actual packages in the set | 15:44 |
| rbasak | I'm going to have to disappear, sorry. Back in about an hour. | 15:44 |
| slashd | Laney: I guess we will need to make sure ~archive is agree with that, I don't think dmb has authority on that | 15:45 |
| Laney | sure | 15:46 |
| ddstreet | i would also want to make sure the ppa is access-controlled too, since it essentially opens a self-service hole to upload new packages | 15:46 |
| ddstreet | but as long as the packageset team owns the ppa that should be enough | 15:47 |
| Laney | but maybe you can agree that you are ok in principle with it being ubuntu-archive (i.e. not the dmb) | 15:47 |
| Laney | nod | 15:47 |
| ddstreet | yes i'm fine with the dmb only managing membership in the team | 15:47 |
| slashd | same here | 15:47 |
| ddstreet | not sure if we have enough detail to vote on this right now? and probably would need agreement from -sru and/or -archive teams also; should we take it back to the list to continue? | 15:48 |
| sil2100 | Sorry, I have a standup now, let me read the backlog | 15:49 |
| slashd | sil2100: take your time I think your input will be valuable here | 15:49 |
| Laney | can come back to it next meeting if you want, I don't think anyone is ready for the rights yet anyway | 15:49 |
| Laney | just want to have it all in place for when they are | 15:49 |
| rafaeldtinoco | i think a reply to the email | 15:49 |
| rafaeldtinoco | with the proposal we have right now | 15:49 |
| rafaeldtinoco | would be better for voting next meeting | 15:50 |
| sil2100 | Yeah, I think this should be safe and doable, since the OEM meta package generation is very strictly defined and controlled | 15:50 |
| rafaeldtinoco | if needed, im +1 on the change (to only control the membership of the team) | 15:50 |
| slashd | should we open a vote ? rbasak just left the meeting, maybe we should reconvene next DMB about this topic | 15:52 |
| ddstreet | just to clarify, we'd need a specific action item to vote on right? | 15:52 |
| ddstreet | which i assume for the dmb would only be 'create packageset and owning team' right? | 15:52 |
| rafaeldtinoco | the motion would be either we manage the packageset OR we manage permissions of who could change the packageset (by adding or removing people to a team) | 15:53 |
| rafaeldtinoco | yep | 15:53 |
| slashd | #action vote at next mtg(s) on controlling the membership access for the OEM enablement metapackages. | 15:54 |
| meetingology | ACTION: vote at next mtg(s) on controlling the membership access for the OEM enablement metapackages. | 15:54 |
| slashd | anything else on this topic ? | 15:54 |
| sil2100 | I don't have preferences, but I think it would make sense for ubuntu-archive to be able to control this | 15:55 |
| slashd | thanks sil2100 | 15:56 |
| slashd | #subtopic Verify ubuntu-budgie packages, possibly remove fossfreedom personal packageset if no longer needed (Open TB bugs) | 15:56 |
| ddstreet | i added this item as i noticed the still-open tb bug | 15:57 |
| slashd | ack so all good then | 15:57 |
| ddstreet | added this comment to the bug for clarification https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/1716770/comments/9 | 15:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1716770 in ubuntu-community "[TB/DMB] New packageset ~personal-fossfreedom in Artful" [Undecided,New] | 15:57 |
| ddstreet | i haven't seen any reply from fossfreedom, so we could just close this out | 15:57 |
| slashd | ack | 15:58 |
| slashd | I think that cover everything in the agenda. Anything else before we call it a day ? | 15:58 |
| slashd | I guess we are done then. | 16:00 |
| slashd | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Jul 27 16:00:48 2020 UTC. | 16:00 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-07-27-15.06.moin.txt | 16:00 |
| ddstreet | thanks everyone o/ | 16:00 |
| slashd | take care all ! | 16:03 |
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