[14:55] o/ [14:58] o/ [14:59] o/ [15:01] o/ [15:01] o/ [15:02] Upcoming: Eric, Łukasz, Teward, Rafael, Dan, Robie [15:03] I can chair, but I'm a bit behind in term of what is ongoing atm. I apologize for that btw. [15:04] sil2100: ^ [15:06] I'll go ahead and chair but I may miss a few things here and there. [15:06] #startmeeting DMB meeting [15:06] Meeting started Mon Jul 27 15:06:05 2020 UTC. The chair is slashd. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:06] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | DMB meeting | Current topic: [15:06] #topic Review of previous action items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | DMB meeting | Current topic: Review of previous action items [15:06] #subtopic rafaeldtinoco pkgset tooling full documentation (being worked, carried until mentioned) [15:06] these are the long term action items [15:06] still at the same state ? [15:06] right [15:06] yep, just mention those [15:06] and move on [15:07] #subtopic rafaeldtinoco to check edubuntu seed <-> pkgset relationship (generation) and if edubuntu pkgsets can be dropped (carried over) [15:08] #subtopic rafaeldtinoco to create, for now, a small "what-to-do" for pkgset changes in -devel (document exceptions inclusion for DMB team) (carried over) [15:08] git.launchpad.net/~developer-membership-board/+git/packageset [15:08] i still need to finish [15:09] #subtopic rafaeldtinoco link team delegation from dmb kb page when reading ddstreet updates (carried over) [15:10] rafaeldtinoco Any updates on those items ? or all good for now ? [15:11] sorry [15:11] my time in the meeting to talk [15:11] nope, only the documentation [15:12] item is almost finish [15:12] but I still have to create the wiki page [15:12] and link to the dmb wiki pages [15:12] thanks rafaeldtinoco anything we can do to help ? [15:13] yes. please [15:13] How can we help? [15:13] id like help from someone in the edubuntu seed <-> pkgset relationship [15:13] you can get the packageset tool from the git repo I pasted [15:13] and follow the README file and check [15:13] i can take that action item [15:13] edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (from germinate) [15:14] and check if we should add something to exceptions, or any bigger change there [15:14] slashd can you give me action item for that [15:14] thanks a lot @ddstreet [15:14] busy weeks I had [15:14] well you too [15:14] thanks for sharing the burden lol [15:14] yep np, i've wanted to understand the seed/pkgset tooling better so this is a good excuse :) [15:15] nice, its all in Makefile now [15:15] and feel free to push things to the repo [15:15] #action edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (ddstreet) [15:15] or MR for me to review [15:15] ACTION: edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (ddstreet) [15:16] We have no applicant today. Is there anything else we need to discuss or something I missed ? [15:16] are you going thru the mailing list items in the agenda? [15:17] * slashd looking [15:17] #subtopic Request for delagate team for DKMS modules (Francis Ginther) [15:18] seems like the vote went on the ML ^ [15:18] do we want to just vote on it now? [15:18] or keep it on ML? [15:18] Yeah, I think the people that didn't vote could vote now [15:19] We could follow up on the thread for consistency [15:19] i'm fine voting now if we want to queue up a vote for it [15:20] I'm fine with both (ML or proceed with a vote now) [15:20] I think we have quorum today anyway [15:20] let's just vote now, yeah [15:20] i think there are 2 motions https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-July/001540.html [15:21] #vote Please vote on: Request for delegate team for DKMS modules [15:21] Please vote on: Please vote on: Request for delegate team for DKMS modules [15:21] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [15:21] slashd shouldn't we vote on the 2 motions separately? [15:21] i mean maybe we'll all vote the same for both, but probably should allow for voting separately? [15:22] I guess this is for the first motion I assume? [15:22] #endvote [15:22] Voting ended on: Please vote on: Request for delegate team for DKMS modules [15:22] Votes for:0 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [15:22] Deadlock, casting vote may be used [15:22] sounds good yep, this roudn is for motion #1, Create a DKMS packageset defined as "Packages that ship DKMS [15:22] modules that need updating to support new kernel versions" [15:23] #vote Please vote on: Motion 1: Create a DKMS packageset defined as "Packages that ship DKMS [15:23] modules that need updating to support new kernel versions" once we have [15:23] further agreed upon at least one uploader to be able to upload to this [15:23] packageset. [15:23] Please vote on: Please vote on: Motion 1: Create a DKMS packageset defined as "Packages that ship DKMS [15:23] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [15:23] +1 [15:23] +1 received from sil2100 [15:24] +1 sounds reasonable to me [15:24] +1 sounds reasonable to me received from ddstreet [15:24] +1 [15:24] +1 received from slashd [15:24] +1 [15:24] +1 received from rafaeldtinoco [15:24] #voterequired 4 [15:26] rbasak also +1'd in the ML [15:26] #endvote [15:26] Voting ended on: Please vote on: Motion 1: Create a DKMS packageset defined as "Packages that ship DKMS [15:26] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [15:26] Motion carried [15:27] #vote Please vote on: Motion 2: Create a DKMS packageset uploading team once we have further [15:27] agreed upon at least one uploader to be added to this team. [15:27] Please vote on: Please vote on: Motion 2: Create a DKMS packageset uploading team once we have further [15:27] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [15:27] #voterequired 4 [15:28] +1 on this one as well [15:28] +1 on this one as well received from sil2100 [15:29] +1 the stated restrictions appear to limit this team to just the dkms modules, which i believe is the intention/goal of the original request, so seems reasonable and appropriate [15:29] +1 the stated restrictions appear to limit this team to just the dkms modules, which i believe is the intention/goal of the original request, so seems reasonable and appropriate received from ddstreet [15:29] +1 [15:29] +1 received from slashd [15:29] slashd is the directive '#votesrequired' (with an s, not r)? [15:30] oh actually just missing the s, maybe [15:30] #votesrequired 4 [15:30] votes now need 4 to be passed [15:31] is this the same motion ? [15:31] motion 2 [15:31] Same as the one I emailed? [15:31] ah ok [15:31] +1 [15:31] +1 received from rafaeldtinoco [15:31] yes [15:31] i was going to say that [15:31] +1 [15:31] +1 received from rbasak [15:31] #endvote [15:31] Voting ended on: Please vote on: Motion 2: Create a DKMS packageset uploading team once we have further [15:31] Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [15:31] Motion carried [15:32] Who wants to take action on these 2 motions ? [15:32] There are no actions yet [15:32] we got nothing from them yet [15:32] Until we have an uploader approved [15:32] all good then [15:33] next topic.... [15:33] #subtopic Adding Yaru to the desktop set for focal (Marco Trevisan) [15:34] do we need to vote for that ? [15:35] probably not, it seems simple enough, it's already in g, i can take action item for it unless anyone else wants it [15:35] ddstreet: I'll take care of it if no one has it yet [15:36] sounds good, thnx [15:36] #action Adding Yaru to the desktop set for focal (slashd) [15:36] ACTION: Adding Yaru to the desktop set for focal (slashd) [15:36] #subtopic RFC: auto-generated packageset for Canonical OEM enablement metapackages (Iain Lane) [15:37] Something to mention here ? [15:37] not sure if Laney is around? [15:38] this request seemed, to me, very reasonable, but i think i would prefer to have the mentioned script already created before voting on the new packageset [15:39] also it wasn't clear to me who would be running the script, and if there would be any human review of its updates (e.g. if it's run on a crontab) [15:39] maybe preferable to then addresse those point to the ML and vote when we have all the infos in next DMB mtg(s) [15:39] i'm here [15:39] what up [15:40] re: oem packageset [15:40] I mean the script is like [15:40] for pkg in all_packages: [15:40] if fnmatch.fnmatch(pkg, 'oem-*'meta'): [15:40] packageset.add(pkg) [15:41] i assume it would need to be run regularly by a DMB member? or via cron somewhere? [15:41] ya something like that, or the oem team can poke you to run it [15:42] can be integrated in the packageset repo [15:42] or I guess one option would be to make the set owned by another team [15:42] and run in crontab or manually [15:42] like ~ubuntu-archive or ~ubuntu-sru [15:42] then they can run it themseves [15:43] sil2100 ^ Any thoughts on that ? since you are in both group [15:43] probably -archive since we're talking about uploading to NEW here [15:44] then the dmb's role will be handling applications for new uploaders, but not managing the actual packages in the set [15:44] I'm going to have to disappear, sorry. Back in about an hour. [15:45] Laney: I guess we will need to make sure ~archive is agree with that, I don't think dmb has authority on that [15:46] sure [15:46] i would also want to make sure the ppa is access-controlled too, since it essentially opens a self-service hole to upload new packages [15:47] but as long as the packageset team owns the ppa that should be enough [15:47] but maybe you can agree that you are ok in principle with it being ubuntu-archive (i.e. not the dmb) [15:47] nod [15:47] yes i'm fine with the dmb only managing membership in the team [15:47] same here [15:48] not sure if we have enough detail to vote on this right now? and probably would need agreement from -sru and/or -archive teams also; should we take it back to the list to continue? [15:49] Sorry, I have a standup now, let me read the backlog [15:49] sil2100: take your time I think your input will be valuable here [15:49] can come back to it next meeting if you want, I don't think anyone is ready for the rights yet anyway [15:49] just want to have it all in place for when they are [15:49] i think a reply to the email [15:49] with the proposal we have right now [15:50] would be better for voting next meeting [15:50] Yeah, I think this should be safe and doable, since the OEM meta package generation is very strictly defined and controlled [15:50] if needed, im +1 on the change (to only control the membership of the team) [15:52] should we open a vote ? rbasak just left the meeting, maybe we should reconvene next DMB about this topic [15:52] just to clarify, we'd need a specific action item to vote on right? [15:52] which i assume for the dmb would only be 'create packageset and owning team' right? [15:53] the motion would be either we manage the packageset OR we manage permissions of who could change the packageset (by adding or removing people to a team) [15:53] yep [15:54] #action vote at next mtg(s) on controlling the membership access for the OEM enablement metapackages. [15:54] ACTION: vote at next mtg(s) on controlling the membership access for the OEM enablement metapackages. [15:54] anything else on this topic ? [15:55] I don't have preferences, but I think it would make sense for ubuntu-archive to be able to control this [15:56] thanks sil2100 [15:56] #subtopic Verify ubuntu-budgie packages, possibly remove fossfreedom personal packageset if no longer needed (Open TB bugs) [15:57] i added this item as i noticed the still-open tb bug [15:57] ack so all good then [15:57] added this comment to the bug for clarification https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/1716770/comments/9 [15:57] Launchpad bug 1716770 in ubuntu-community "[TB/DMB] New packageset ~personal-fossfreedom in Artful" [Undecided,New] [15:57] i haven't seen any reply from fossfreedom, so we could just close this out [15:58] ack [15:58] I think that cover everything in the agenda. Anything else before we call it a day ? [16:00] I guess we are done then. [16:00] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice [16:00] Meeting ended Mon Jul 27 16:00:48 2020 UTC. [16:00] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-07-27-15.06.moin.txt [16:00] thanks everyone o/ [16:03] take care all !