[03:22] <marcoibs> hi
 i want to propose lubuntu to my friend ... what package should be installed? He is on ubuntu 20.04 desktop
[09:51] <guiverc> You can add the Lubuntu desktop to an existing install via `sudo apt install lubuntu-desktop`, but it's not without some costs (more complicated menus, more bandwidth used for backups, install etc as you've the original desktop & Lubuntu's LXQt desktop both present.  You select which you want to use at login
 guiverc: more bandwidth used for backups, what backups ?
[09:59] <guiverc> sorry that was the wrong word, bandwidth used for upgrades, install on disk etc
[10:00] <guiverc> you'll get upgrades for both desktops, both desktop's programs,  if it's GNOME & LXQt, you'll have two editors (gedit for gnome, featherpad for LXQt etc... both appear in menus, both get upgrades etc, multiplied by each like program...
 got it, well explained... thanks guiverc
[10:05] <guiverc> you're most welcome
 because the box is slow using the current ubuntu, i hope he will give lubuntu a shot. … I hope he will get good experience using the new desktop env... how to make the transition smooth to the new habit?
[10:10] <guiverc> if the box has limited RAM, a negative of the two desktops is programs for GNOME are GTK3 based, and using them when using Lubuntu/LXQt is they won't use libraries used by desktop, but use more memory loading them into RAM.  On my box with 8gb of ram I don't worry (and mine is a box from 2009), but on a newer box with far less memory I consider that.  If 'slow' is because of limited amount of ram, and a non-technical user, two desktops can be a
[10:10] <guiverc> negative/complexity
[10:11] <guiverc> (I use a 2005 thinkpad with lubuntu 18.04, it has multiple desktops too, XFCE (Xubuntu) & LXDE (Lubuntu) for example, but I'm aware of programs & what they'll use, so select before I load as that laptop only has 1.5gb of ram)
[10:13] <guiverc> Yes, the Lubuntu desktop is far lighter, performs far faster on most machines (I wouldn't try a modern GNOME on an old pentium 4 I have, but it ran Lubuntu 19.04/10 fine)
 https://www.asus.com/Laptops/X455LA/ with 2 gig ram only
[10:21] <guiverc> I'm too tried to think clearly, the best experience would be re-install (so no duplication of programs, wasted ram due to selecting app intended for wrong desktop), you can re-install using manual-partition, & no-format of partitions to not lose data, but still a hassle...
[10:22] <guiverc> if you look at https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/lubuntu-desktop you'll see a list of programs installed & used by lubuntu, those will be efficient, you could compare with ubuntu-desktop to see what won't be efficient when using lubuntu...
[10:23] <guiverc> my system has 3 desktops installed; but from menu I can only pick which belongs with which desktop because I generally already know them...
[10:24] <guiverc> (https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/ubuntu-desktop is the equiv. for default ubuntu/gnome desktop for focal/20.04)
[10:25]  * guiverc is really too tired to give clear advice sorry; why I messed up download/upgrade with backup before
 no worries, i see your points