[00:19] <ubptgbot> <anibyl> @Flohack Hi, I submitted a PR to update Pinephone info (devices.ubuntu-touch.io). Could you please review and prob approve it? … There are also some PRs from other people, just so you know. … https://gitlab.com/ubports/infrastructure/devices.ubuntu-touch.io/-/merge_requests
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[04:35] <ubptgbot> <chipolino chipolino> Привет всем
[05:12] <ubptgbot> <TenEleven> Where I can find UT updates changelog?
[05:19] <ubptgbot> <TacoBarz> @Flohack [Live. Jetzt. https://youtu.be/Bq1gBNtz9TQ Wir bauen einen Game Boy :)], OH, I missed this live!
[05:25] <ubptgbot> Paul JL was added by: Paul JL
[05:32] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Because I'm tired of dealing with the tech giants, I'm looking to go in a different direction. Is there someone out there who can tell me about the Ubuntu Touch?
[05:33] <ubptgbot> <TacoBarz> why don't you join the today's Q&A
[05:33] <ubptgbot> <TacoBarz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TZafLis-fE
[05:33] <ubptgbot> <TacoBarz> You'll get a lot of information
[06:06] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @anibyl [@Flohack Hi, I submitted a PR to update Pinephone info (devices.ubuntu-touch.io) …], Will do
[06:06] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @TenEleven [Where I can find UT updates changelog?], We dont to changelogs for daily devel updates, you will get one with the next stable update
[06:10] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Thank you Barz!
[06:12] <ubptgbot> <TacoBarz> @Paul JL [Thank you Barz!], No problem Paul
[06:23] <ubptgbot> <TenEleven> @Flohack [We dont to changelogs for daily devel updates, you will get one with the next st …], Thanks … I think detailed devel updates descriptions are also quite important and usefull. … And how I can get stable updates changelog?
[06:27] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @TenEleven [Thanks … I think detailed devel updates descriptions are also quite important and …], We have over 450 repos. You are invited to track all commits and make a sensible changelog each day. Sorry that wint happen with a handful of fulltime devs only
[07:32] <ubptgbot> <TenEleven> @Flohack [We have over 450 repos. You are invited to track all commits and make a sensible …], I've always thought the author of the commit can describe committed changes better than anybody. And perhaps he even should do it. … To write a script for summing up all changes each day, doesn't look like a big deal, I can help with it. … I s
[07:32] <ubptgbot> uppose I'm missing some particular features of the project, which make compiling the changelog a challenging task.
[07:39] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @TenEleven [I've always thought the author of the commit can describe committed changes bett …], Well you can automate it, but I fear the authors dont describe all stuff so clearly that it really makes sense to the end users. And enforcing this is not what we want to do. A devel image is mostly for developers, its ok to use their language
[07:39] <ubptgbot> s. If you use devel you kinda have to accept this
[07:45] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> I'm not a dev...I don't even have any programming skills. Will I have trouble with one of these phones.
[07:47] <ubptgbot> <bettehem> No you don't need to be a programmer to use ubuntu touch
[07:48] <ubptgbot> <Shakendo> @Paul JL [I'm not a dev...I don't even have any programming skills. Will I have trouble wi …], not at all, my 90 year old grand mother can use it with a little tutoring on the gestures
[08:03] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> @Shakendo [not at all, my 90 year old grand mother can use it with a little tutoring on the …], Since I'm only 64 I've still got a chance. 🤘😎
[08:04] <ubptgbot> <Shakendo> well Id like to think if a 90 year old woman who can barely use technology can use it, anyone can
[08:04] <ubptgbot> <Shakendo> my 7 year old daughter can also use it, she frequently takes my UT phone and plays games on it
[09:08] <ubptgbot> <Janith96> @Shakendo [my 7 year old daughter can also use it, she frequently takes my UT phone and pla …], oh...
[09:22] <ubptgbot> <NotKit> @TenEleven [I've always thought the author of the commit can describe committed changes bett …], I think writing a script to gather changes would be a good thing to start from
[09:52] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @NotKit [I think writing a script to gather changes would be a good thing to start from], Someone started on this already. Also, I dislike it because it will put more stress on the developers. They might check in things with "Fixed x" but then it turns out it does not work or needs a revert. Thats all work in progress. So when people read
[09:52] <ubptgbot>  that something has been fixed and then it does not work still, they will get disappointed, impatient and rude. I have seen this in many places: "Dark Mode WHEEEN!" cries for example. … You have to manage expectations. Its human behaviour, the moment you are totally open and transparent will be the moment when you become most vulnerable
[09:54] <ubptgbot> <NotKit> having an overview of what is going on in the repos is different from having official changelog
[09:57] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @NotKit [having an overview of what is going on in the repos is different from having off …], Well @myii suggested semantic-release one day and I remember someone set this up already. But it requires super-precise commit messages and I dont see this happen for the hobby contributors. Even our core stuff does weird commit messages ;)
[09:59] <ubptgbot> <mimecar> Commit 1, … Commit 1 + Minor change … Commit 1 + Minor change 2
[09:59] <ubptgbot> <mimecar> 😃
[10:02] <ubptgbot> <wagafo> I remember in Canonical days there were announcements like "X landed" or something like that. I for one liked that, it gave a sense of what was going on, but of course nobody would expect to see it immediately, with luck it would show up in some future OTA
[10:04] <ubptgbot> <wagafo> Of course we get something similar in the Q&A sessions.
[10:06] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @wagafo [I remember in Canonical days there were announcements like "X landed" or somethi …], With more power over developers and QA people I could establish this regime, but then they would all run away. I would refuse most PRs since they are below documentation quality (Not talking about implementation quality thats mostly ok). I could
[10:06] <ubptgbot> not get anything done for myself if apply rules from my workplace. This you can do with 9-to-5 workers that need money for their living :) But not for someone who squeezes out his free time for no money
[10:09] <ubptgbot> <wagafo> @Flohack [With more power over developers and QA people I could establish this regime, but …], Yes, I understand.
[10:13] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> HMm I am thinking about doing an online course "How to review right" :)
[10:14] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> Maybe some people would join
[10:19] <ikmaak> i would love to see that course
[10:20] <ubptgbot> <Janith96> what is IRC bridge ? it means a gateway to irc chat?
[10:21] <ikmaak> i think so, as i'm on irc
[10:21] <ubptgbot> <Janith96> irc over telegram?
[10:21] <ubptgbot> <Janith96> like a proxy server?
[10:21] <ubptgbot> <mimecar> irc connected with telegram
[10:22] <ikmaak> here you all are ubptgbot
[10:22] <ubptgbot> <Janith96> oh ok
[10:23] <ikmaak> but anyway, a course about doing reviews would be very welcome
[10:50] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> Ok will se if I can put together something
[10:51] <ikmaak> \o/
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[14:58] <ubptgbot> Dimaty562 was added by: Dimaty562
[14:58] <ubptgbot> <Dimaty562> (https://github.com/dimaty562/proprietary_vendor_leeco, https://github.com/dimaty562/device_leeco_s2, https://github.com/dimaty562/android_kernel_leeco_msm8976)  … make systemimage … [ 66% 2/3] glob device/leeco/s2/overlay/**/* … ninja: error: '/home/nikiforovd17/halium/out/soong/host/linux-x86/framework/turbine.jar', needed by '/home/n
[14:58] <ubptgbot> ikiforovd17/halium/out/soong/.intermediates/libcore/core-oj/android_common/turbine/core-oj.jar', missing and no known rule to make it … 12:50:38 ninja failed with: exit status 1 … build/make/core/main.mk:21: recipe for target 'run_soong_ui' failed … make: *** [run_soong_ui] Error 1
[14:58] <ubptgbot> <Dimaty562> [Edit] (https://github.com/dimaty562/proprietary_vendor_leeco, https://github.com/dimaty562/device_leeco_s2, https://github.com/dimaty562/android_kernel_leeco_msm8976)  … make systemimage … [ 66% 2/3] glob device/leeco/s2/overlay/**/* … ninja: error: '/home/nikiforovd17/halium/out/soong/host/linux-x86/framework/turbine.jar', needed by '
[14:58] <ubptgbot> /home/nikiforovd17/halium/out/soong/.intermediates/libcore/core-oj/android_common/turbine/core-oj.jar', missing and no known rule to make it … 12:50:38 ninja failed with: exit status 1 … build/make/core/main.mk:21: recipe for target 'run_soong_ui' failed … make: *** [run_soong_ui] Error 1 … I am building Halium
[15:03] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Dimaty562 [(https://github.com/dimaty562/proprietary_vendor_leeco, https://github.com/dimat …], https://t.me/halium is the group for halium questions
[19:02] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TZafLis-fE … We're live!
[19:04] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Have to start manually
[19:05] <ubptgbot> <Michael Nielsen> (Photo, 530x695) https://irc.ubports.com/fmjb9oq8.png
[19:15] <ubptgbot> <Jeroen Bozz> Dalton you mean open up ubport
[19:15] <ubptgbot> <Jeroen Bozz> Or some thing
[19:16] <ubptgbot> <Jeroen Bozz> Florian ftw
[19:23] <ubptgbot> <SomebodyGreen> @iifraz [Does Ubuntu Touch work on Redmi Note 8 Pro], There isn't LineageOS ROM for this smartphone yet 😢
[19:25] <ubptgbot> <SomebodyGreen> @iifraz [Does Ubuntu Touch work on Redmi Note 8 Pro], [Edit] There is not even LineageOS ROM for this smartphone yet 😢
[19:36] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> s/copywrite/scribe/
[19:37] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @dohbee [s/copywrite/scribe/], I understood copyright first lol
[19:39] <ubptgbot> <DiogoConstantino> If you want to help with testing the testing tool msg me or @neothethird
[19:48] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> like qt 5.12
[20:00] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> i'm not sure there's any way to disable animations or such in qml
[20:02] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox hardware video decode is missing
[20:08] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> We should probably make a `ubuntu-touch-16.04-wayland` framework that's only on pinephone/pi/etc… things that use wayland client, so people can package wayland-only apps and not have them show up in openstore on mirclient-only devices too
[20:10] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> That's a good idea
[20:11] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> If anyone would just like to have a chat, find us at the unrecorded audio/video afterparty: https://whereby.com/ubports-chat
[20:18] <ubptgbot> <FJW_Schnettler> I think it would be good a  better to using BT and camera features. Otherwise everything very well!  … I'm using Sony X X ... 🙂
[20:21] <ubptgbot> <amyosx> @Flohack [Well @myii suggested semantic-release one day and I remember someone set this up …], Fix [curse word] is a fav of mine in priv projects
[20:22] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @amyosx [Fix [curse word] is a fav of mine in priv projects], lol
[20:26] <ubptgbot> <LostVX> Are there any alternative to anbox
[20:27] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> no, there's no other way to run android apps on ut
[20:27] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> ut is not an android rom
[20:27] <ubptgbot> <LostVX> @dohbee [ut is not an android rom], Ik
[20:27] <ubptgbot> <TigranKhachatryan> There was an alt for PCs which worked only on Wayland, but on phones I don't think so
[20:27] <ubptgbot> <LostVX> Just asked
[20:27] <ubptgbot> <LostVX> Maybe aliendalvik
[20:29] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> isn't that proprietary and for sailfish only?
[20:29] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> i guess if you wanted to try to get SPURV working or something you could
[20:29] <ubptgbot> <amyosx> CLOSED SOURCE BAD
[20:29] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> but i doubt it will solve whatever issue you're having with anbox
[20:30] <ubptgbot> <amyosx> As someone with only 1 proprietary app
[20:30] <ubptgbot> <amyosx> Twitter
[20:30] <ubptgbot> <amyosx> Cause proprietary client better than pwa or twidere
[20:30] <ubptgbot> <TigranKhachatryan> What issue are you having exactly? Maybe someone will help you
[20:31] <ubptgbot> <TigranKhachatryan> On anbox
[20:31] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @amyosx [Cause proprietary client better than pwa or twidere], no need to go off topic :)
[20:31] <ubptgbot> <amyosx> Sorry
[21:10] <ubptgbot> <LostVX> Anbox's problem is u can't have acces to camera etc
[21:10] <ubptgbot> <TigranKhachatryan> You can do adb shell
[21:11] <ubptgbot> <LostVX> Wur
[21:11] <ubptgbot> <LostVX> Wut
[21:11] <ubptgbot> <LostVX> Using camera in apps snapchat etc.
[21:11] <ubptgbot> <LostVX> [Edit] I mean using camera in apps snapchat etc.
[21:12] <ubptgbot> <TigranKhachatryan> Yup
[21:12] <ubptgbot> <TigranKhachatryan> Open terminal
[21:12] <ubptgbot> <TigranKhachatryan> adb shell
[21:12] <ubptgbot> <TigranKhachatryan> pm list packages
[21:12] <ubptgbot> <TigranKhachatryan> Find the package
[21:12] <ubptgbot> <TigranKhachatryan> Grant access
[21:12] <ubptgbot> <LostVX> Rlly thx!!
[21:13] <ubptgbot> <TigranKhachatryan> You need to Google how to grant access to a package
[21:14] <ubptgbot> <TigranKhachatryan> Because idk how
[21:14] <ubptgbot> <NotKit> But Anbox itself doesn't have camera hw mapped
[21:14] <ubptgbot> <TigranKhachatryan> Oh
[21:14] <ubptgbot> <TigranKhachatryan> Didn't know
[21:14] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> Dont tell ppl things that are not true, thx
[21:15] <ubptgbot> <TigranKhachatryan> It wasn't on purpose? I was just telling how to grant permissions
[21:15] <ubptgbot> <TigranKhachatryan> Manually
[21:16] <ubptgbot> <LostVX> @NotKit [But Anbox itself doesn't have camera hw mapped], Oh thats what i afraid of
[23:41] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @TigranKhachatryan [It wasn't on purpose? I was just telling how to grant permissions], yes, that works in normal android; don't assume such things will work in anbox