=== isolier3 is now known as isolier [00:25] hii [00:26] welcome Nemo9 [00:42] Nemo9: I could not find a flag for fullscreen but I read somewhere that you could make a macro and load it with LO [00:43] Nemo9: https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/177619/setting-a-calc-document-to-open-in-full-screen/ [01:05] thnxx #pavlos i'll check the link [01:29] pavlos: still doesnt work with macro [01:37] So how would I reinstall the ubuntu software center in 20.04 [01:37] Or maybe it's the snap store now in 20.04 idk [01:40] Nemo9: ok [01:44] bray90820: sudo apt install --reinstall ubuntu-software [01:44] pavlos: So it it ubuntu software or it it the snap store that's in 20.04 [01:45] snap-store is now default on ubuntu-desktop 20.04 [01:45] Ok thanks === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin === gabkdlly_ is now known as gabkdlly === Grldfrdom_ is now known as Grldfrdom [02:54] Just did an "apt update;apt dist-upgrade" on my Ubuntu 20.04 and got the "GRUB failed to install to the following devices: /dev/nvme0n1p1" and asks if I want to continue. I did press "yes" as that seems to be the only viable option there - although it did say the pc may not reboot. But, there is never a real crisis and I may be lucky to find someone with a good heart here who can help me out. Have [02:54] been running Linux since 1999 and mostly Ubuntu but never seen this before. [02:56] isene: do you still have the full error on screen that you could pastebin? [02:57] sarnold: No, sorry, that went *poof* [02:57] isene: Presently grub/nvme is broke. BootHole vulnerability. See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/GRUB2SecureBootBypass for a recovery. [02:58] Is there any grub-command that I could run to test/fix this? [02:58] Bashing-om: Oh. [02:58] isene: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc [03:00] sarnold: So, that's safe? [03:00] isene: yes [03:00] Well, I got this: "dpkg-query: package 'grub-pc' is not installed and no information is available" [03:01] ah, then you're probably using uefi rather than legacy, and wouldn't be affected by the bug that trips up folks with misconfigured legacy boot systems [03:02] sarnold: So, will my pc reboot? [03:02] isene: does ls -l /sys/firmware/efi/vars/ return a bunch of stuff or an error message? [03:02] And yes, I am running uefi [03:02] aha, cool cool [03:03] Yes, a long list of stuff [03:04] isene: nice nice (that's the easy way I know of to see if you're uefi or legacy) [03:04] isene: how about, sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-efi-amd64-signed ? [03:05] Right - and then I got the error message: [03:06] GRUB failed to install to the following devices: [03:06] /dev/nvme0n1p1 [03:06] Do you want to continue anyway? If you do, your computer may not start up properly. [03:06] Writing GRUB to boot device failed - continue? [03:06] And then the options "Yes" or "No" [03:07] bahahah [03:07] "It was discovered that GRUB2 contained various vulnerabilities that would allow UEFI Secure Boot to be bypassed." [03:07] so much for UEFI being more secure [03:07] not that it was ever truly in question [03:11] So, does it matter? Can I reboot? [03:12] isene: I don't know :/ the postinst scripts aren't very easy to read :( [03:12] And after I press "Yes", I get this: [03:12] grub-install: warning: Cannot set EFI variable BootOrder. [03:12] grub-install: warning: efivarfs_set_variable: writing to fd 8 failed: Input/output error. [03:12] grub-install: warning: _efi_set_variable_mode: ops->set_variable() failed: Input/output error. [03:12] grub-install: error: failed to register the EFI boot entry: Input/output error. [03:13] Did that help? (it sure didn't help me :) [03:14] Btw; I have secure boot disabled [03:26] The problem came as this package was upgrading on my Ubuntu 20.04: grub-efi-amd64 (2.04-1ubuntu26.2) [03:27] isene: what's the output of efibootmgr -v ? mine looks like https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bWJw7XNM9Y/ [03:27] ... and then again when apt dist-upgrade came to this package: grub-efi-amd64-signed (1.142.4+2.04-1ubuntu26.2) [03:29] Mine: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ysHBThcgbH/ [03:31] I have no idea why there is a Windows boot manager there (I have wiped this machine clean of Windows when I got it 2 years ago) [03:32] heh good question, I did the same, but I've got one of those too [03:32] mine is active (*) yours isn't, so yours probably wouldn't be tried.. mine would, if something happened to my ubuntu .. [03:33] isene: is there anything else in the output? is there anything in dmesg output that looks related? [03:35] That's everything in the output - and nothing in dmesg that looks related (all neat and dandy there) [03:36] alright... I'm cautiously optimistic about your next reboot: the error message a few lines above was specifically about writing the bootorder variable, and your bootorder looks sane enough [03:36] isene: it migh be worth going through the bios to see if there's anything marked "readonly" or "prevent writes" or similar [03:36] isene: it might be worth trying fwupdmgr to install firmware updates, if any are available [03:37] isene: could you file a bug report before you reboot with these details? just in case it doesn't go well, it'd be nice to have a report filed while things are as close to the cause as possible [03:37] isene: ubuntu-bug grub-efi-amd64-signed should do the trick [03:39] OK [03:41] I did report a couple of bugs earlier, what's the url for doing that again? [03:42] the easy way is through ubuntu-bug, it'll collect some logs and so on [03:42] the hard way is the 'report a bug' link on the right side of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2 [03:44] sarnold: Ah I didn't know there was the ubuntu-bug program. Done now. [03:45] I'll do the firmware upgrade after some sleep. Thanks for the help :-) ...zzzZZZ [03:45] gnight isene, good luck, sorry for the trouble :( [03:46] how do i fix this? [03:46] /usr/bin/ld: /usr/local/lib/libglfw3.a(posix_thread.c.o): undefined reference to symbol 'pthread_getspecific@@GLIBC_2.2.5' [03:46] /usr/bin/ld: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line [03:52] TacoCodedSalad: what's the output of ls -l /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread* [03:53] TacoCodedSalad: do you see a real dynamic library in there? or just dangling symlinks? [03:53] TacoCodedSalad: funny thing, I've got one of those libraries but the symbols don't have the @@GLIBC_2.2.5 bit: [03:53] $ nm /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread-2.31.so | grep getspecific [03:53] 0000000000011c50 t __GI___pthread_getspecific [03:53] 0000000000011c50 T __pthread_getspecific [03:53] 0000000000011c50 W pthread_getspecific [03:56] TacoCodedSalad: I'm not sure what to suggest, concretely, but if you can recompile your thing, that might work. :/ dunno, this is an end of the world I've always ignored.. [04:01] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 157224 Apr 15 05:26 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread-2.31.so -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6587378 Apr 15 05:26 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.a lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 Apr 15 05:26 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so -> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Jul 3 14:35 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 -> libpthread-2.31.so [04:02] sarnold: i dont see it either [04:03] neither in libglfw3.a [04:04] your paste is a bit destroyed, but I think I see a large enough file in there that ought to work.. [04:04] TacoCodedSalad: I've got to bail :/ good luck [04:06] g++ -std=c++17 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/home/hex/libraries/stb -o Test main.cpp glad.c `pkg-config --static --libs glfw3` -lglut -lGL -lfreetype [04:06] /usr/bin/ld: /usr/local/lib/libglfw3.a(posix_thread.c.o): undefined reference to symbol 'pthread_getspecific@@GLIBC_2.2.5' [04:07] https://github.com/Nihilarian9/ftGL [04:23] is there really no way to upgrade from 19.04 to anything newer and move my way into newer? [04:23] i have to re-install? [04:23] fucking windows does better than this. [04:23] no it doesn't [04:23] i don't get it [04:23] but yes there's a way [04:23] matsaman: old laptop with literal dust i had in the garage [04:23] how to my friend? [04:24] mmm, human detritus [04:24] i don't care about it, just don't want to go dragging it out of the garage to bed at 1230am [04:24] matsaman: ? [04:24] javi404: what do you want to be on, 20.04? [04:24] i really hate when i have to reinstall and configure everything [04:24] Nemo9: I would suggest not doing it then [04:24] there is no good reason to reinstall a GNU/Linux installation unless you really really messed up [04:24] packages need to be updated to stay alive [04:25] no way around it lol [04:25] matsaman: i don't even care, just whatever is bleeding edge if fine with me [04:25] and even then, it's usually just about the _time_/effort of fixing vs "reinstallation" [04:25] javi404: why's that? [04:25] matsaman: because bugs and vulns [04:25] ok [04:26] i just don't get why i can't do same as fedora [04:26] imagine the pain installing from every package manager out there [04:26] what pain? [04:26] apt npm pip from github snap synaptics .. [04:26] i guess i can DD a new flash drive to 20 or wherever we are [04:26] what is the latest LTS? [04:27] i just don't understand [04:27] javi404: seen this kinda stuffo? https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-19-04-end-of-life/ [04:27] i installed a non LTS because i don't care, i want bleeding edge [04:27] matsaman: im aware [04:27] and 19.10 is also EOL so can't even get to that [04:27] well, you say you don't care [04:27] but you also say you want the latest because of security/vulns [04:27] both can't be true, I'm afraid [04:27] matsaman: i want to issue a few commands and just get new [04:27] javi404: oh the mirrors are gone? [04:28] yeah like debian [04:28] at one point i could update by do-relase-upgrade or something. [04:28] so old [04:28] yet so stable [04:28] Debian is not old [04:28] so because the fucking date changed i can't do that? it's an artificial roadblock [04:28] bullshit [04:28] updates take so long [04:28] javi404: I don't think 19.10 is EOL, is it? [04:29] it is apparently [04:29] Nemo9: for 'stable'? [04:29] you can use Debian testing or unstable if you want the latest nonsense [04:29] yeah [04:29] javi404: don't think so [04:29] javi404: where's it say that? [04:29] of course there are workarounds [04:29] that's not a workaround, it's a simple choice [04:29] but for someone who looks only for stable [04:29] stability doesn't come out of thin air [04:30] yeah fine i love that about debian [04:30] for someone who looks only for stable, you have found yourself in #ubuntu, a channel for a distro that has no stable [04:30] for me im running mint 18 [04:30] don't think Mint has a stable either [04:30] and i reallyy dont wanna upgrade [04:30] stable enough for me [04:30] i just hate when reconfiguring [04:30] then Debian unstable is also stable enough for you [04:31] because Mint is Ubuntu is Debian unstable [04:31] literally [04:31] yeah i know [04:31] exact fork [04:31] okay =) [04:31] is there no way to force the upgrade? [04:32] there are tons of ways [04:32] matsaman: and what are the ways? [04:32] but will they take longer than booting up the install image [04:32] that's the question [04:32] javi i think what you're looking for is a rolling release distro [04:32] why? [04:32] Nemo9: i think you are correct [04:33] but is ubuntu lts not rolling release between LTS releases? [04:33] no [04:33] im confused [04:33] then that clears it up [04:33] lts is just for 5 years i think [04:33] reinstall is the answer [04:33] non lts 2 [04:33] years [04:33] Arch & Gentoo are the only rolling release distros worth trying [04:33] the former is binary-oriented, like Ubuntu [04:33] the latter is source oriented [04:35] can i still dd the iso to a usb drive to boot/install ? [04:36] downloading 20 LTS [04:36] 20.04 [04:36] i think im getting old when it comes to linux lol [04:37] used to distro hop alot [04:37] now i cant even imagine changing anything [04:37] there are only a few distros that are truly unique (non-derivative) and worth using anyway [04:38] most distros are Debian [04:38] then there's Slack, Arch, Gentoo, and stupid Red Hat [04:38] five distros [04:38] five distros of note [04:43] matsaman: sad but true [04:44] it's not sad, it's just that no matter how many times you hop [04:44] you've probably only hopped, at most, five times [04:44] lol #stupid redhat [04:44] unless you are a real special snowflake [04:44] and get into real obscure distros [04:44] yeah i know lol [04:45] every time i think i get it i learn a new think [04:45] no limits to linux [04:46] offtopic or discuss seem to be more appropriate for stuff other than Ubuntu :) [04:49] So I see that grub2 2.02-2ubuntu8.17 is out. [04:49] Does that fix the boot problem? [04:55] I'm talking about this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1889509/ [04:55] Launchpad bug 1889509 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub boot error : "symbol 'grub_calloc' not found" [High,Confirmed] === huskyfox is now known as pikapika [05:42] \part [05:48] hello world === Napsterbater is now known as Guest47401 === Napsterbater_ is now known as Napsterbater [06:51] instead of using hdd to write data i was thinking of using dvdrw, for example a security camera, when the max data 120min is full it'll just rewrite it, so how would i go about doing this? [06:52] also thinking of using dvdrw for cache and page file or /tmp [07:06] klu3: why not use a hdd, they're cheap and easier and would last longer i think [07:09] idk i was just thinking of alternatives :D [08:13] hi - I've had ubuntu 20 running a while with zfs on root. zfs shows /var mountpoint as using 167GB, but df and du on /var show only a couple of gigs -- where is the extra space going and how do I reclaim it? [08:27] hi, after upgrade from 19.10 to 20.04 my "settings"/"appearance" menu entry is gone, any hint for this issue ? (using gnome ) [08:33] aum, you really can't as df can't handle the way zfs shows space. use zpool iostat for that [08:56] how can i install audacity? [09:01] hello? [09:12] futureRich, `sudo apt install audacity` (you didn't provide OS/release details, and you'll need 'universe' enabled - https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&searchon=names&keywords=audacity [09:15] (it can also be installed by package tool (synaptic/aptitude/muon/..) or software store, and refer https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu if you don't have universe enabled; it can be enabled by command, or GUI tool too [09:16] Hello, how can I translate a pdf (russian) to english? [09:23] Greetings. Can someone assist me in connecting a printer please. I have an Epson WF-2830, and I run Ubuntu 16.04. [09:38] Greetings. Can someone assist me in connecting a printer please. I have an Epson WF-2830, and I run Ubuntu 16.04. [09:40] speiros, isnt 16.04 end of life? people may not have same packages as you to be of aid [09:41] It ends next year, devPiggy. Thanks though. [09:41] but did you install cups? verify it's listening on port 631? [09:41] http://localhost:631 [09:41] I have cups, but yeah, I'll check the port. I don't recall how to do that. [09:41] what have you tried so far? [09:41] hi, is there a way to decrease the screen brightness on ubuntu? [09:41] netstat -ntap |grep 631 [09:41] Hmm, I went to the package manager, devPiggy to ensure I had all the correct CUPS modules. [09:41] Ah, thanks. [09:41] speiros did you install the drivers from epson? [09:42] the netstat command, for tcp port 631 is what we're looking for [09:42] NP, give me a sec, and I'll open a terminal [09:42] we dont need the output, you should see cups running or not in that cmd [09:43] redcheckers, depends on the desktop enviro, and sadly what type of vga can be an issue, intel is diff at times. [09:43] amosbird: i don't think your ubuntu installation provides a software for this. there are online services for this purpose, such as deepl, bing translate, google translate. [09:44] No, it is showing me 843 as the port, devPiggy. [09:44] devPiggy: Okay, thanks, i will try mint instead. [09:44] redcheckers, you can try the xbacklight command [09:44] quadrathoch2 No mate, as they are for windows. [09:44] it's in the repos [09:44] speiros, 843 for cups? [09:44] speiros there are linux drivers on the epson homepage [09:45] speiros: are you able to access http://localhost:631 in a web browser? [09:45] Oh, my mistake. It has 843 in the answer, but it is showing 631 [09:45] not if he doesnt have it in netstat [09:45] oh that is your process id [09:45] :) [09:45] Ah. Thanks :) [09:45] ok, so it is running, good [09:45] Oops [09:46] its ok, noone expect ya to know everything [09:46] heh [09:46] I tried rebooting the computer with the cable in and then rebooting it and adding the cable later, and have turned the printer on and off, but nothing else as yet. [09:46] now as quadrathoch2 mentioned, did you check the repos for any epson pax? [09:47] or the manufacture's site? [09:47] No, I had a disk from windows, but I could have a look there. The disk was microsoft. [09:47] no diff OS [09:47] I'll have a look. Thanks quadrathoch2, and devPiggy too. Also, tomreyn :) [09:48] The disk went into the clay pigeon pile. [09:48] the "lpstat" command is a command line query tool . "man lpstat" to learn more. but typically, you can run "lpstat -s" and so long as your user account is properly permissioned, it will show if a printer is connected and confifugred or not [09:49] tomreyn: thanks [09:49] if it's not permissiioned to run the command, you can run it with sudo [09:50] I'll see how it goes and let you know. Thanks. [09:52] speiros, http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/searchModule if you put your WT-2830 there, and select linux, you'll see that Epson has drivers for your printer for linux. [09:52] Cheers for that! [09:53] roger roger [09:53] Well, they're downloading, so it should go well. [09:54] download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/searchModule?languageEnglishName=EN&osCode=LX&productName=WF-2830 [09:55] Okay, testing time! :D [09:58] * speiros twiddles thumbs while printer is "found" [10:02] Nope. I'll try again. [10:15] hi people! I'm back to #ubuntu [10:15] congrats! we've been waiting. did you bring cake? [10:16] :D [10:16] devPiggy: i have a cup of coffee if you like with milk also :D [10:17] I like mine dark and bitter, like my wife :) [10:17] i like the naming of the products, juju, maas, Ubuntu itself etc :) [10:19] I cannot talk with a British accent, so last time when i was talking with Canonical, i did not understand what they said :D Just listened... [10:19] mertgor Try a Geordie accent next time. [10:22] speiros: I'm gan hyem :) watching a training video on Youtube [10:23] LOL:D [10:24] btw i had to change my computing style, all moving to cloud and my service provier/datacenter, both development machines and servers, and labs [10:25] devPiggy The printer didn't work. It has downloaded it, but I don't know how to make it find it. [10:25] find the download? or the printer? [10:26] The download. [10:26] I don't know how to apply it with the find printer. [10:26] The scanner doesn't work either, but I just realised, I haven't restarted the printer yet. [10:28] Well if you open up the file manager there should be a Downloads folder. [10:29] The driver was a command for terminal. [10:29] You can also open up settings of whichever browser you used, and see where they downloaded to. [10:29] Well, after you ran this command to install it. Did it say anything like sucess? ETc? [10:31] No devPiggy. Once it downloaded, it just ended the command prompt and started flashing again with my username. [10:44] speiros, sorry I have to go to work now. wish you the best [10:46] Thanks devPiggy :) [11:22] 'Morning folks [11:22] hi all Q: since I reinstalled Ubuntu 18.04 LTS 64bit on top of it self due to new hardware in my PC (CPU/mobo/RAM) , some programs can only see the / drive but can not see the other mounted volumes, when I go to /mnt/ the directory is empty, programs like OBS can not see the folders inside /mnt/ [11:22] im not sure what to do about it, and can't realy find anything searching the web [11:25] and I mean the /mnt/ dir is only empty for those programs, they are visible other wise, like in nautilus [11:29] vuurdraak: unless it's a different cpu architecture you don't need to reinstall ubuntu really. [11:30] well maybe i didn't have to but i had run n to problems due to me not understanding at first that I had my bios set to UEFI boot instead of legacy boot [11:30] vuurdraak: normally external drives would mount to /media rather than /mnt [11:31] so i tried to reinstall and then figured out later i needed to set the bios simply to legacy boot, but then it was too late :') [11:31] switching between legacy and uefi boot will reuire modifications or a reinstall, that's right [11:32] they are internal drives [11:32] and for instance steam sees them, but kdenlive and obs don't [11:32] mounts in /mnt would be defined by you in /etc/fstab - do you have those configured there? [11:32] yes [11:33] i copied my fstab to a back up and put it back later to have the same stuff [11:33] its wrking as intended [11:33] are kdenlive and obs installed as .deb's or snaps? [11:33] obs is from the repository now adays [11:33] ubuntu repository so a deb [11:33] oh waait [11:34] snap can be too from the repo right mmm [11:34] how can is ee that if its snap ? [11:34] see* [11:34] snap list [11:35] yes they are snap [11:35] kdenlive too [11:35] so that'll be why they can't access the mounts [11:35] its indeed a problem in snap, as vlc is snap too and has the same problem not seeing the mounted stuff [11:36] i think there's a way you can enable snaps to access locations outside of the home directory. [11:36] if its snap it can never acces mounted drives ? [11:36] but i don't know the details, it's probably documented somewhere. [11:36] okay i will try to search for that :) [11:36] i didnt realize they where all snap [11:36] at least this has brought me closer to where the problem is :) [11:37] thanks [11:37] you're welcome [11:52] mm can't really find anything :( kind of annoying that snap can't access mounted volumes by default, specialy stuff like VLC, and video software where you need other drives with lots of space rather then your main drive [11:53] vlc should be default , not snap [11:53] ? [11:53] installed without snap [11:54] all programs that are now installed with snap can not see my mounted volumes [11:54] well they are comming from the repository like that [11:55] or are you saying you can tell the ubuntu repository to install a non snap version rather then the snap one / [11:55] ?* [11:55] I don't usew snapd and vlc is installe by default from the repos [11:56] installed rather [11:56] vuurdraak, yes, avoid snap if possible [11:59] isn't snapd installed by default ? , i don't know if I installed it my self actually [11:59] could be i can;t remeber [11:59] remember [11:59] nope snapd isd optional [12:00] okay so i should remove all snap programs and uninstll snapd ? [12:00] and see if i get a normal version of a program [12:01] if possible, yes, snaps aren't worth the trouble they can cause on some systems, IMO [12:01] mmm okay, thats annoying [12:03] vuurdraak, you can also ban snapcraft.io in your hosts file, but then your apt won't understand the forward to snap and won't install the package. [12:04] vuurdraak, that is on 20.04 at least... i don't know whether this is the same under 18.04 [12:05] its sad that my only problem is that the snaps cant see the mounted volumes as otherwise i dont have a problem with the programs, but i guess its better to make backups of settings in some programs remove everything from snap and then remove snapd it self so i get normal programs [12:05] and then hope there is nothing there that has not a normal package :') [12:08] vuurdraak, yeah but canonical enforces snap on you, even from apt(at least true in 20.04, dunno which other versions too) [12:08] then again maybe i will just do a clean install of ubuntu 20.04 LTS [12:08] ah [12:08] vuurdraak, no, vm it! [12:08] i dont want to run games from a VM [12:09] i need every bit of horsepower i can get === Wryhder is now known as Lucas_Gray [12:09] wel, your choice [12:10] i suspect there might be other stuff broken in my current install, so i thought i might do a clean instal to th latest LTS [12:10] honestly, I don't get why everybody tell other people to remove snapd, most users literally don't care where the program comes from. and it looks like it's a permission issue [12:11] yes to me it looks like a permission isue too [12:11] only i can not find anything searching the web how to tell snap to acces the volumes in /mnt/ [12:12] quadrathoch2, for me because apt is not apt anymore(if i would want to use apt i would have launched snap instead of apt) [12:12] still i have saved the remark to ban snapcraft.io in my host file if i need it for some reason when going to 20.04 LTS [12:12] *snap [12:13] afaik snapd is NOT installed by default [12:13] also not in 20.04 ? [12:13] if you are talking about snapd, it's installed by default for a while now [12:14] it would be fun though if you could tell apt to install a non snap version rather then a snap one by choice [12:14] ok, I'm on kde/plasma, could be different here [12:14] vuurdraak then voice your thoughts to canonical. same thing with auto updates. there is a way to disable auto updates, but it's only for 1 type of customer ... [12:15] again: https://raymii.org/s/blog/Ubuntu_Snap_auto_updates_broke_my_development_setup.html [12:15] vuurdraak, on 20.04, at least, it is installed by default, dunno about other versions [12:15] also: how come it is not possible to disable this on a linux distro? it's not windows with monolithic binaries that do everything [12:15] atm i would be just happy if snaps can access my mounted volumes, but i cant find anything how to do that, i find it weird it canb not access them in the first place [12:16] shibboleth as I said 1 line above it. there is a way to disable auto updates. but that feature is only for paying customers (enterprise). so if we voice enough maybe canonical changes their stance [12:16] well, why wouldn't disabling/masking the systemd service/triggers take care of this? [12:17] afaik "this is the way" on bionic and xenial [12:17] have they baked this in as part of gnome? [12:18] hmm, i must have removed snapd a few releases ago then, because it's not installed on GG20.10 (testing) [12:18] or am i to understand that you can't disable this *and* be using snap at all unless an enterprise customer? [12:19] BluesKaj, iirc on bionic it gets reinstalled as part of gnome-desktop [12:19] shibboleth disabling auto updates on snap is an enterprise feature [12:19] shibboleth, I'm on kde/plasma [12:20] quadrathoch2, and i'm asking: disabling autoupdates for pre-existing snaps is a premium feature but disabling snap services all together is possible? [12:20] I assumed the snpad policy was the the same for all flavours [12:20] snapd [12:21] Hi! Do you also observe that the default zip/unzip tool in 20.04 from Info-zip can't extract its own multipart archives? http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dVYcMPFKNF/ [12:21] BluesKaj, basically, the crapstore and the debian installer no longer being an option is why we have no plans for using ub going forward [12:21] shibboleth yes [12:21] quadrathoch2, 10-4 [12:22] oO? [12:22] anyway, gotta reboot [12:22] happy rebooting :) [12:22] police code for "acknowledged" [12:22] intresting topic it seems snap :') [12:23] i've been quite vocal for well over two years as to why snap is a bad idea [12:24] shibboleth I am too, but that's why I just don't use it (except for live-patching) [12:24]