[11:57] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 20.10 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[12:04] <Unit193> ↑ No idea if that'll boot yet.
[13:16] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 20.10 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[14:08] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 20.10 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[14:26] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfwm4 4.14.4 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfwm4-4-14-4-released-tp59338.html (by Olivier Fourdan)
[14:26] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfwm4 4.15.0 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfwm4-4-15-0-released-tp59339.html (by Olivier Fourdan)
[18:33] <albinard> @unit193: afraid yoour iso from this morning didn't boot on HP p7-1010
[18:33] <albinard> xcore 20.10 iso, that is
[21:30] <Unit193> Hrm, well it's a weird one for sure, worked in KVM but that doesn't really mean anything.
[22:19] <jphilips> pleia2: i was told by the team that they didn't have a use for fosshost
[22:19] <jphilips> i applied for some hosting through them and yes the telegram-to-irc bridge is being hosted on it now
[22:20] <jphilips> 20.04.1 is to be released on the 6th, so are putting out an announcement about it?
[22:24] <jphilips> bluesabre: a number of users are facing the same issue that i faced of snap store uninstalling gnome software
[22:26] <jphilips> David Mohammed mentioned in the ubuntu flavors irc and ubuntu testers telegram group that 'Since you have gnome-software as a recommendation in your seeds, update manager will "upgrade" it to a snap. your seed needs to be adjusted to make gnome-software a dependency'
[22:26] <jphilips> Unit193: ^^^
[22:51] <Unit193> Um, no.  It does not need to be a dep.  If it can't be just gnome-software perhaps dropping it would be more useful.
[22:54] <Unit193> alynpost: Heya!  I was about to reply to your email.  I might still do that though.  So no, you shouldn't have to wait a super long time.  It boots to the try/install screen, or is supposed to.
[22:54] <Unit193> albinard: ↑  If at the grub boot screen you hit 'e', you should be able to remove the 'quiet splash' options.  But I'm about to try grml booting it.
[22:55] <Unit193> alynpost: Sorry for the ping.
[22:57] <albinard> Okay, I'll hold off for now as you try.
[23:03] <Unit193> OK, this doesn't support loopback booting at all.  Nice..
[23:04] <Unit193> Pretty sure the desktop ones no longer do either, but didn't test that.
[23:05] <alynpost> I did wonder and assume you'd got the wrong guy--we do have a kernel bug report out to Debian but couldn't figure how that would quite be related--though I was willing to accept fantastic service, lol.
[23:05] <Unit193> So a fun thing I learned last night, mkinitramfs sets the path to /usr/bin, /sbin, /bin.  The busybox initramfs hook calls a program that's in /usr/sbin/...
[23:14] <Unit193> ...I wonder if I can't just symlink loopback.cfg in or something, actually. :D
[23:15] <Unit193> albinard: Anywho, so if you can edit the boot line to see where it's going wrong, that could well be useful.
[23:26] <albinard> Sorry, out of time right now - might give it a shot tomorrow.
[23:27] <jphilips> Unit193: so what is your suggestion to stop the snap store from overwriting gnome software? or was it that you were suggesting that we not ship gnome software, which I feel wouldn't be the best solution.
[23:27] <Unit193> Yeah no problem at all!  I cracked the ISO open and fudged in a little loopback.
[23:27] <Unit193> jphilips: I never liked gnome-software so I'm biased, but I do not like the idea that xubuntu-desktop would depend on gnome-software.
[23:29] <jphilips> i don't like it as well, but for new users it is useful and we recently completed writing a whole section about it in the documentation
[23:31] <jphilips> a number of users have mentioned abandoning xubuntu as they think it comes with the snap store
[23:31] <jphilips> here is the other part of david's message on telegram - https://imgur.com/TKeQrd9.png
[23:32] <jphilips> bluesabre: ^^^
[23:37] <albinard> to Unit193: That sounds like there's now a new ISO to download with the loopback fudged in - correct?
[23:48] <Unit193> Well not quite, I sort of did that locally to test out.  Also can't use a symlink as I forgot about the scan-iso/filename=$iso_path param that needs to be there.  Anywho, booted to a desktop, xfsettingsd wasn't running so everything was a bit off.  This is wonderfully fun. :P  The last part I don't claim as my issue though.
[23:54] <Unit193> jphilips: ...I've had half a mind to remove snapd from core, but that'd be diverging based on my own preferences...