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 thank you
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 halium needs android 5, 7, or 9 right?
 @amyosx [halium needs android 5, 7, or 9 right?], More specifically 5.1, 7.1 or 9 yes
 damn
 i found a tv stick, but latest rom is 4.4
 lol
 Why you want to have it on a TV stick 😆
 because i can
 Hmm too theoretical 😆
 it hasnt got anything better
 ive already had to do wifi antenna mods xD
 so the sd card dlot is now the anenna lmao
 [Edit] so the sd card slot is now the antenna lmao
 i might mmove it to the second micro usb port, the one which is just power and no otg
 its an mk808b lol
 maybe postmarketos or debian might be better
 If a server has been changed and now has a different fingerprint, how would one clear UT's memory of the previous server?
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 @theare27 [If a server has been changed and now has a different fingerprint, how would one …], ssh-keygen -R 10.0.0.9
 Change ep to Nour server ip
 Change ip to your server ip
 No, sorry not talking web type server. In this case a Matrix server. Server has been replaced, all my other matrix clients can see it, but I think UT is keeping hold of the identity of the old server and won't connect to the new one … Have completely reinstalled FluffyChat and wiped it's config directory but that didn't help
 Might be more an SSL certificate thing? Does ithe system cache ones it's seen before?
 no
 i'm pretty sure it's not "UT" that's the issue, but perhaps just a bug in fluffychat or something
 @Danfro [Works for calendar. Although only manual sync. There are some apps in OpenStore …], Sorry for the late reply, I had an other OS installed. There's the Accounts section in Settings, when I click Nextcloud there (or any other cloud provider) it just shows a spinner and nothing else happens. Is this a known issue?
 @anibyl [Sorry for the late reply, I had an other OS installed. There's the Accounts sect …], what device are you on?
 @dohbee [what device are you on?], Pinephone.
 @anibyl [Pinephone.], online accounts currently doesn't work on pinephone, due to trust prompts not working on wayland. so yes it's a known issue for all accounts in online accounts settings
 @dohbee [online accounts currently doesn't work on pinephone, due to trust prompts not wo …], Thank you! Do you know where I can watch the issue by any chance? I assume the issue tracker is on Gitlab, not sure tho.
 @anibyl [Thank you! Do you know where I can watch the issue by any chance? I assume the i …], https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/pinephone/-/issues/42
 @dohbee [https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/pinephone/-/issues/42], Thanks again.
 @dohbee [i'm pretty sure it's not "UT" that's the issue, but perhaps just a bug in fluffy …], Possibly, though I think they are still tweaking the replacement server. Still Element on desktop can connect to it but FluffyChat on UT can't. FluffyChat web on desktop again is happy(ish). I'll hang on and see if they finish fixing the server
[16:40] <ubptgbot> I guess
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[16:57] <ubptgbot> <Scott Ehrlich> With Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 5, what are the options for local/national news push notifications?
 @Scott Ehrlich [With Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 5, what are the options for local/national news pu …], Search for a telegrambot in germany "das erste" has one
 @Scott Ehrlich [With Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 5, what are the options for local/national news pu …], [Edit] Search for a telegrambot. in germany "das erste" has one
 @Scott Ehrlich [With Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 5, what are the options for local/national news pu …], What would you use on Android?
 you can use Morph + InoReader for example
 Maybe Google news because they crawl all Newsportals and then you can specify the medium and also limit the topics.
 and read news related with your location
 Are push notification from websites working on morph/it?
 [Edit] Are push notifications from websites working on morph/ut?
 @nanu_c [Are push notifications from websites working on morph/ut?], No I dont think so
 @Flohack [What would you use on Android?], a lot of news outlets have native apps with push notifications for "breaking" news and such
 @dohbee [a lot of news outlets have native apps with push notifications for "breaking" ne …], Yeah thats why I am asking, if its only specific to one news site with their own app we wont have this option. However webpage pushes could maybe be a thing one day
 "maybe be a thing one day" though is not an answer the question that was asked. the question was about current options
 True but as always in UT, current options are sometimes limited. So short answer: No. ;)
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[19:37] <ubptgbot> Peter Patoschka was added by: Peter Patoschka
[19:39] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> hi@all! If i feel like putting my install at risk and want to add vs code or at least codium to my ubports install, can anyone think of a good way to do so?
[19:45] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> Or speaking more generally, if i would want to install a deb package, what would work? packages for the official ubuntu arm server build?   … can i take from raspberry ubuntu repos? … or is it possible to compile something myself with whats onboard?(fresh install... ut tweak activated r/w) … I really dont feel libertine is for me,
[19:45] <ubptgbot>  since already setting up a libertine container is causing problems.. and after that i cant get monkey studio ide to run ... … though i actually boot a very capable device with 8-cores.. … (Aquaris BQ m10 FHD)
 you can install it in libertine, but afaik electron/chromium doesn't work so well
 make a libertine container, get a deb built for armhf Ubuntu 16.04 and install it inside the libertine container you just created
[19:55] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> hm... I already tried that with other software... … Even lxterminal seems to have some quirks like a permenantly highlighted line... … other terminals like Konsole or the gnome terminal wont work at all. so i have a hard time believing code will.
[19:56] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> thus i wanted to install it directly...  shouldnt that also work?
 no. Ubuntu Touch is not a traditional linux distro. the rootfs is readonly and updates are image based
[19:57] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> but i already tweaked it to be RW
 ok. that doesn't change how large it is.
[19:57] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> i am looking at the /etc/apt/ dir now.
[19:57] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> hm? what do you mean by that?
[19:57] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> how large it is?
 i mean the rootfs is an image. hence "image based updates"
[19:58] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> what? code?
 it is small enough to fit in the cache partition on all the devices and it basically 99.9% full as-is
[19:58] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> hm..  i got it.
 your tablet does not work the same way linux on a PC does
[19:58] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> like a darn disk image ...
[19:59] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> i got it.... though it could
[19:59] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> :)
 libertine is the supported way to install x11/cli apps for people who need/want them
[20:16] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> I already tried libertine. not so much fun i had.
 you only tried a couple of terminal apps?
 also what release of UT are you actually on? you can check on about page in System Settings
 or `system-image-cli -i` in terminal app
[20:17] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> as if that wouldnt say enough... I mean be honest, if I read the forums no one seems to be able to get the things up and running they need/want.
[20:17] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> ah.
[20:18] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> ok  i'll tell you in a sec.
[20:18] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> but i think its the latest.
 btw you can use `libertine-launch bash` iirc in terminal app to get a shell as phablet user in the container
[20:18] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> like said somewhere else, i also tried monkey ide... no luck
 @Peter Patoschka [as if that wouldnt say enough... I mean be honest, if I read the forums no one s …], well things like gnome-terminal and konsole may do some extra things that don't work so well when not running under their respective environments
 xfce-term works better for example
[20:18] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> I understand that.
 i don't know what monkey ide is
[20:19] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> 👌
 but again, Ubuntu Touch is not a traditional distro; it is not simply "Ubuntu on a phone" but more like "Ubuntu designed for phones"
[20:19] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> me  neither, didnt run much longer than a sec. after initial settings.
 and apps not designed to work on phones/tablets are going to often have problems. particularly when they rely too much on the legacy x11 stuff
[20:21] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> yep... i understand all that, but if i see guys bootin their switch with ubuntu and doing everything...  … it gives me the creeps when i look at that darn m10 fhd i actually believed to work a charm and would allow me to do everything i want with just a bit of tinkering and unpinning in apt
[20:22] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> that doesnt seem to work out. and i invested already enough time?
[20:22] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> do you want one?
 well let me know when they're using the switch as a switch with ubuntu running on it
[20:22] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> looks like brand new with a battery
[20:22] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> ahm actually they do?
 if you want to just run straight ubuntu on your device you are welcome to, but it is not Ubuntu Touch
 no, they pull out the SD card from which Ubuntu was booted, and go back to the OEM Switch OS
 it's no different than booting Ubuntu on anything else with an SD card
[20:23] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> not very problematic looking at speeds and memsizes of todays sd-cards
 you can't run breath of the wild in ubuntu on a switch
[20:24] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> no you cant you just stop hacking in vs code. shut down and pull out that card, boot and run it.
[20:24] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> which seeems quite nice to me;
[20:24] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> :)
 the problem seems to be that you are expecting an old android tablet to somehow be a full fledged PC
[20:24] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> but back to the point
[20:24] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> nahahahaanahh.
[20:24] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> :)
[20:24] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> old android tablet
[20:24] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> 2016.
[20:24] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> 8-cores. pretty capable if you ask me.
[20:25] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> 64-bit
 capability does not come from core count
[20:25] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> hell of tablet still.
[20:25] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> yeah lets go into details you put on the table.
 I got a free rockchip TV stick
 Lmao
 the point remains that Ubuntu Touch is an OS designed expressly for phone/tablet use, and not to run legacy apps as a novelty on phones/stableets
[20:26] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> as if that would lead to factual and objective conclusions.
[20:26] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> yea rightyright.
 @dohbee [the point remains that Ubuntu Touch is an OS designed expressly for phone/tablet …], Yes
[20:27] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> thats not the point.
 you are more than welcome to do whatever you want on your device, but doing unsupported things means you will not get support for doing them
[20:27] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> i asked on how to install other packages.
[20:27] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> :)
 the way you install debs is through libertine
 thus you have been answered, in multiplicity
[20:28] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> no good experience again. and no not answered, since in libertine.  … If we would go down a factual or objective road... … We would stand in front of the question on how i could build my own image?
[20:28] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> or not?
[20:28] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> no multiplicity there.
 read the documentation
 building your own custom OS won't solve your problem and is not as trivial as you think though
[20:29] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> but i think i give up on this. like said, invested already enough time and money. but thank you, and thank you for knowing what i thinkm
 if what you want is a traditional linux distro experience, then you can just install debian or something instead
[20:30] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> nonetheless, thank you for taking the time.
[20:30] <ubptgbot> <Peter Patoschka> I maybe will try but i gotta shut of now. No drugs = need for sleep. goodn8.
 Peter the problem is not with Libertine, so even if you install package into rootfs, there will be probably similar issues
 PinePhone is a bit better due to Wayland and XWayland works with unmerged Marius branch
 the people will say a lot about UT is not designed to be a normal Linix distro, but restrictions with starting desktop apps are mostly technical and due to the lack of people working on it than something done on purpose
 is there device with magnetometer ready ? I would like to know if Stellarium is working in navigation mode ?
 [Edit] is there any device with magnetometer ready ? I would like to know if Stellarium is working in navigation mode ?
 @NotKit [the people will say a lot about UT is not designed to be a normal Linix distro, …], And even if desktop apps would run on ut, it would probably not play the best with keyboard, and size of screen
 imo, the best thing to do is to emulate/chroot an linux environment like it is done in Termux/UserLAnd on android and allow to VNC to it
 well, VNC is not necessary; the point is that libertine is meant for people who want to plug their device into an external monitor/mouse/keyboard, and run some legacy apps like libreoffice or such
 and remember that there's an amd64 qemu image too, which can be used to boot on bare metal, so one could theoretically run steam inside libertine too
 and the monitor/mouse/keyboard are already there and the screen isn't 400 DPI
 @dohbee [well, VNC is not necessary; the point is that libertine is meant for people who …], Yeah, i was doin exactly that thing with rdp/vnc when I had android. I've vnced into it from my desktop when my phone was in my pocked connectedto wifi
 @dohbee [well, VNC is not necessary; the point is that libertine is meant for people who …], [Edit] Yeah, i was doing exactly that thing with rdp/vnc when I had android. I've vnced into it from my desktop when my phone was in my pocked connectedto wifi
 @dohbee [well, VNC is not necessary; the point is that libertine is meant for people who …], [Edit] Yeah, i was doing exactly that thing with rdp/vnc when I had android. I've vnced into it from my desktop when my phone was in my pocket connected to wifi
 sure
 but we're talking about UT :)
 @dohbee [but we're talking about UT :)], ik
 That's what I want to do on ut
 And I'm just saying that it is possible on android
 pretty sure you can do that now
 or do you mean you are using VNC to connect to android, and not a virtual X session running inside the termux app?
 @dohbee [or do you mean you are using VNC to connect to android, and not a virtual X sess …], I mean an virtual session running under termux/bosch or other vm thing
 yeah, you could do that in libertine now already
 @dohbee [yeah, you could do that in libertine now already], By setting up vncserver?
 yes. running an X session on a virtual framebuffer on the phone, with a vnc/rdp server connected to that, and then connecting to the vnc/rdp from a PC
 i don't generally see any particular reason it couldn't work
 it will probably be slow and annoying, but it should work
 @dohbee [it will probably be slow and annoying, but it should work], Yup, that's a point
 I'll try that when my device will start to use GPU instead of CPU for visual things
 for now I'm happy with ssh in libertine c:
 your device is already using gpu i'm sure
 it should be running on top of hwc anyway
 @dohbee [your device is already using gpu i'm sure], Then it's doing that very bad and inefficient :(
 While watching full hd videos I can see how frames are dropped and how my battery drains.
 full hd videos in the browser? or what?
 @dohbee [full hd videos in the browser? or what?], Downloaded .mp4 files in a player that I've found in open store
 not the stock one
 yeah, if it's utmedia, it's playing in the browser; so it's using software decoding and the browser doesn't have GPU rendering acceleration either
 urplayer
 @dohbee [yeah, if it's utmedia, it's playing in the browser; so it's using software decod …], hm, so all the other things should play well with GPU tasks?
 @mrcyjanek [hm, so all the other things should play well with GPU tasks?], other == native?
 but the main system is definitely on gpu, and you should be able to watch mp4 with native mediaplayer unless there's a problem with the gstreamer hybris backend not being able to use the hardware for some reason
 yes, native stuff is using gpu
 x11 apps of course are not using gpu though
 Okay, thanks! I'll check that
[22:49] <ubptgbot> <Scott Ehrlich> Would be nice to see a VOIP (not just SIP) app for calls via wifi, VLC or similar to play back streaming video, and some kind of national (US) push notification-based news service.
 patches accepted