[00:00] <quadrathoch2> what is a skeleton of the root system? portd
[00:02] <portd> quadrathoch2, you amaze me.
[00:02] <portd> no, I mistook that for an answer. quad*
[00:03] <portd> A skeleton of a system is the collection of the root file-system that allows a user to run Linux.
[00:03] <portd> I borrow “skeleton” from the way the `man` pages describe the method to instantiate the home directory of a new user.
[00:04] <quadrathoch2> !fhs
[00:05] <quadrathoch2> do you mean this? portd
[00:05] <quadrathoch2> I still don't understand
[00:05] <portd> I want a *tar file that I can extract, then `chroot` into.
[00:06] <portd> It's an outdated way to work with containers, but it's what I know.
[00:06] <portd> I'm going through the docker docs now, to see if I can offload my downloads into an external drive.
[00:07] <portd> short of that, I wanted to offload my Ubuntu Live onto a hard-drive.
[00:07] <quadrathoch2> portd look into debootstrap
[00:07] <Sven_vB> portd, you could loop-mount the ubuntu cloud image, then tar the files in it.
[00:07] <portd> I have to offload because this dum-dum /me
[00:07] <portd> okay perfect
[00:07] <Sven_vB> portd, or you could multistrap a new Ubuntu, and tar the files ;)
[00:08] <portd> I'll try
[00:08] <portd> sounds promising
[00:08] <Sven_vB> portd, why offlonad to the disk? for speed?
[00:09] <portd> System's running on 4G stick. But I want to load things for #Big #Data
[00:09] <Sven_vB> you can mount disk partitions into the live environment.
[00:09] <portd> correct, but using docker to get containers with pre-configured, isolated systems
[00:10] <Sven_vB> well yeah docker is rather easy for containerizing Ubuntus
[00:10] <portd> no clue where docker and multipass cache their files
[00:10] <portd> so I figured I'll just push the entire system onto a computer.
[00:10] <Sven_vB> did you know you can boot the live ISO from disk? ;)
[00:10] <portd> instead of going down some battle with re-configuration
[00:11] <tripelb> Basic but a problem. Here I am 20.04 in the directory program. I am in downloads and I want a new folder. I r-click here and there and I get no choices. In list mode.
[00:11] <Sven_vB> tripelb, do you mean the "new folder" entry is greyed-out?
[00:11] <portd> oh that is a good idea
[00:12] <tripelb> I dont see a new folder entry. I may be clicking in the wrong place.
[00:13] <Sven_vB> I boot all my live ISOs from SSD nowadays, it's a lot faster than USB thumb drives.
[00:13] <tripelb> I rclicknon downloada on the left or on the top. Or in the window (but there everything is files)
[00:14] <oerheks> shft ctrl N - new folder
[00:15] <tripelb> I can click in the blank space in the hone fder and get a new folder but that can't be the only way!
[00:15] <tripelb> Shift control N searchea for N
[00:16] <portd> Sven_vB, I guess I figure out how to do that from a bootloader
[00:16] <portd> not a bad idea. but good for another day.
[00:16] <oerheks> works fine here
[00:16] <tripelb> Ah, click on the "downloads on the LEFT and then shirt control N offers me new folder
[00:17] <tripelb> That is so obscure.
[00:17] <Sven_vB> portd, you can also use the SuperGRUB disk, it detects <(any ext or ntfs or fat filesystem)>/boot-isos/*.iso
[00:18] <tripelb> Thanks oerheks  -- why isn't it in the menus?
[00:19] <oerheks> good point..
[00:20]  * portd noted Sven_vB
[00:20] <oerheks> when you open the tripple stripe / menu buttoen, the top left one is 'new folder' but as icon
[00:32] <Gerowin> Got a raspberry pi running Ubuntu 18.04.  When I do "sudo do-release-upgrade" I get, There is no development version of an LTS available.  Is there no upgrade script to take the Pi version from 18.04 to 20.04?
[00:34] <rfm> Gerowin, LTS>LTS upgrades aren't enabled until the first maintenance release, 20.04.1.  Should be sometime this week I think...
[00:34] <quadrathoch2> should be on the 6th
[00:34] <Gerowin> Ah ok, good to know, thanks, :-)
[00:37] <lotuspsychje> .1 iso's are still getting tested
[00:41] <FaTaL_G> how do I find out if the broadcom chipset I'm hoping would eventually be incorporated is or not?
[00:43] <lotuspsychje> FaTaL_G: you want to know if a future computer will support your bc chip?
[00:43] <Bashing-om> FaTaL_G: Broadcom is proprietary - not a thing we can do about that.
[00:44] <FaTaL_G> lotuspsychje, no, I want to know if the latest 20.04 kernels will support the broadcom chipset that has not been supported for a very long time
[00:44] <lotuspsychje> FaTaL_G: wich magic broadcom chipset would that be?
[00:45] <FaTaL_G> lotuspsychje, I think I get that, however, there are a TON of drivers that are supported. I guess I don't understand what makes one special over another.
[00:46] <FaTaL_G> lotuspsychje the 4366c, its a wireless AC pcie card. *(currently there is a "hack" way to extract the proprietary binary from Linux router firmware, which is linux based)
[00:47] <lotuspsychje> FaTaL_G: do you have a bug ID for your case?
[00:48] <FaTaL_G> lotuspsychje: I think so, its a widely known issue, there was whispers that 19 would (or did) support it. I'll see if I can find it.
[00:49] <lotuspsychje> i found bug #1830396 but not sure its your case
[00:49] <Sven_vB> is openbox supported here?
[00:49] <Sven_vB> (##openbox is almost empty)
[00:50] <lotuspsychje> FaTaL_G: i would reccomend, if something is not working out of the box on ubuntu, you file a !bug for your case so at least the developers know about it, and can take some action
[00:50] <lotuspsychje> Sven_vB: openbox is a supported package on ubuntu, if you have troubles with it, shoot
[00:51] <FaTaL_G> lotuspsychje, that is the same "bug" note he says "I followed instructions to retrieve the correct firmware from drivers available on the manufacturer web site, and I was having no issue."
[00:51] <lotuspsychje> FaTaL_G: do you feel its similar as your case?
[00:53] <FaTaL_G> lotuspsychje, if you look at the kernel drivers even in 20.04, the /lib/firmware/brcm/brcmfmac4366c-pcie.bin does not exist
[00:55] <lotuspsychje> FaTaL_G: as this bug the dev suggests to contact the BC maintainers, might be wise to follow, still i would consider creating a new bug for your case for 20.04
[00:56] <FaTaL_G> lotuspsychje, can you advise where I report? I'm happy to.
[00:57] <lotuspsychje> FaTaL_G: not sure where the maintainers hide, but for the ubuntu part you can: ubuntu-bug packagename
[01:02] <Sven_vB> oh it seems my xmodmap is wrong. I changed /etc/default/keyboard recently and rebooted, should I have rebuilt something before reboot?
[01:02] <FaTaL_G> lotuspsychje: do I write it against the kernel or lib/firmware? I don't understand how to report this device since it seems this device does not have kernel support yet other ones do
[01:02] <Sven_vB> now at least openbox's behavior makes sense :)
[01:02] <lotuspsychje> FaTaL_G: file against the kernel, ubuntu-bug linux
[01:02] <FaTaL_G> thank you
[01:03] <lotuspsychje> FaTaL_G: if you feel the previous bug is like yours, we can dupe it to yours
[01:05] <FaTaL_G> lotuspsychje: oh boy... it looks like the bug report is going to expose my ip and other ethernet traffic due to iptables-dropped rules showing up... I will have to redirect that output and then wait for a reboot.
[01:06] <Sven_vB> my "left" arrow key sends keycode 113, and in Xenial this was mapped correctly: "xmodmap -pk | grep ' 113 ' # ->     113            0xff51 (Left)   0x0000 (NoSymbol)       0xff51 (Left)", but now in focal it maps to "113         0xfe03 (ISO_Level3_Shift)       0x0000 (NoSymbol)       0xfe03 (ISO_Level3_Shift)". what may have gone wrong?
[01:06] <lotuspsychje> FaTaL_G: there are future plans of dmesg hiding more info...but thats for the near future
[01:07] <Sven_vB> might I be missing some language packs?
[01:07] <Sven_vB> but I think it workes in the initramfs, I'll check.
[01:08] <reallymemorable> is there a good lightweight program for signing PDFs
[01:11] <FaTaL_G> lotuspsychje: it looks like its not in my syslog or dmesg currently, it is in /var/log/iptables.log* already - does ubuntu-bug just grab all files in the log folder/
[01:12] <lotuspsychje> FaTaL_G: no, ubuntu bug grabs only whats relevant to the package you chosen to file against
[01:12] <lotuspsychje> FaTaL_G: sometimes more or less info needed on the bug
[01:13] <Sven_vB> my arrow keys work in GRUB, they work in focal's initramfs rescue shell. they also work in the shell on TTY1. (even after lightdm has started, i.e. when it's running in the background.) but somehow in the openbox in lightdm in vt7, they're mapped wrong. there's no ~/.Xmodmap or similar in my home directory.
[01:13] <FaTaL_G> lotuspsychje, and iptables drop is "kernel" level. Can I hide it since it is not needed?
[01:15] <lotuspsychje> FaTaL_G: i dont think ubuntu-bug can be manipulated much on the info it pulls
[01:15] <Sven_vB> xfce4 has the same arrow keys mismapping
[01:15] <lotuspsychje> unless you file the bug manual, wich we dont advice
[01:16] <lotuspsychje> Sven_vB: please avoid describing every step in the channel like this, ask 1 question then await if volunteers reply you
[01:18] <FaTaL_G> lotuspsychje: alrighty then, that's kind of a big deal (exposing that data), I will reboot on a live load without a connection and "save it" or up the interface after its collected....
[01:20] <rxdeath> ok wtf...a few of my godady websites won't load from my 16.04 computer.... from my windows laptop it loads, and from a linux and windows virtual machine hosted on the 16.04 machine in virtual box it WILL load.  but not directly from the 16.04.    others work find, no funny /etc/hosts business, rebooted computer, router, modem, etc.
[01:21] <rxdeath> anyone think of anything i'm not thinking of?
[01:21] <rxdeath> super weird the virtual machine hosted on the offender, loads the websites just fine.  they are static html pages with links only, nothing complicated or special
[01:21] <FaTaL_G> rxdeath, maybe something with the mod_rewrite for /
[01:22] <rxdeath> this has worked for years, i've had the hosting with godaddy for over a decade
[01:23] <rxdeath> doy ou mean server side on on this computer that won't load?
[01:24] <rxdeath> and i've bene on this computer since 16.04 no problems, i hate to ev en say it, but my job is it and this is driving me nuts
[01:25] <rxdeath> i assume it has to be something with this install that is acting a fool because i can't find another computer that it doesn't work on, however super weird, it won't load on my phone either, i just checked
[01:25] <FaTaL_G> rxdeath: flush your dns, and look at your routetable.... if I understand what you are saying, other computers can load the site, but this 16.04 box cannot... and it is hosted on this box, just redirected from a host holding the domain and dns record
[01:26] <rxdeath> no not even.  its not hosted on this box, everything is on godaddy
[01:27] <rxdeath> just this can't access pages from gd
[01:27] <rxdeath> dns resolves to the correct ip
[01:27] <rxdeath> wget freezes
[01:27] <rxdeath> for example, i have a static html page with like 50 links on organized into categories i regularly use as a start page
[01:28] <rxdeath> i did a tracert from here and the windows computer and its the same hops
[01:35] <Sven_vB> rxdeath, you could try spying on the network traffic to see what's actually transmitted
[01:35] <Sven_vB> rxdeath, maybe some VPN or routes problem?
[01:36] <rxdeath> no vpn in use
[01:36] <Sven_vB> or funny DNS servers
[01:36] <rxdeath> traceroute looks the same
[01:36] <rxdeath> using 8.8.8.8
[01:36] <rxdeath> and 75.75.75.75
[01:36] <rxdeath> google and comcast
[01:36] <rxdeath> i have wget and it has the right ip, but it just sits there
[01:37] <rxdeath> i dropped the mtu down to 1000 just to see wtf, because i read something that i could be that, but still no love
[01:37] <Sven_vB> do other sites work?
[01:38] <rxdeath> yes
[01:38] <rxdeath> i'm actually on the computer
[01:38] <rxdeath> its my main desktop, and i can't find anythign else that doesn't work, only my sites on godaddy hosting
[01:38] <Sven_vB> is TLS involved? maybe a certificates problem?
[01:39] <rxdeath> no, one site is literally just a list of a hrefs in a table
[01:39] <rxdeath> http no s
[01:40] <Sven_vB> what does that traffic look like in wireshark? does the request even go out?
[01:40] <rxdeath> the vbox windows i have running on this computer with bridged adapter works fine
[01:40] <rxdeath> i'm trying the ubuntu live cd to double check
[01:40] <rxdeath> i haven't wiresharked it
[01:44] <rxdeath> ok so i see no http get request
[01:44] <rxdeath> a lot of tls, but i don't know why it would do that as its not https
[01:47] <rxdeath> ok so ping makes it out to the ip and comes back
[01:48] <rxdeath> but seems like the http requrest isn't showing in wireshark
[01:48] <rxdeath> i assume it would just be a normal get http protocol request
[02:00] <FaTaL_G> rxdeath, are you running a proxy
[02:01] <FaTaL_G> rxdeath, it really sounds like you have something cached. Your live boot will probably work fine.
[02:02] <rxdeath> no proxy
[02:02] <rxdeath> live boot failed
[02:03] <rxdeath> windows vm still loads
[02:03] <rxdeath> i see the http get request in wireshark form the windows vm, but from the host ubuntu i just see tcp syn/ack
[02:03] <rxdeath> no get request
[02:15] <coolusername12> is it true a keylogger can be installed without root privileges?
[02:38] <Sven_vB> how can I find which kernel module controls wlp2s0?
[02:39] <Sven_vB> or is there a way to configure powersaving "off" as the default for all wifi antennae?
[02:41] <Sven_vB> found it, for NM it's /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf
[03:21] <ryaeng> @tatertotz: Finally able to check out the laptop. Working on first boot this evening.
[03:21] <ryaeng> Logged in, connected to WiFi, and performed updates.
[03:21] <ryaeng> Reboot. Problem returns.
[03:29] <ryaeng> Input appears to be accepted but the only indicator is the black box at the top left hand corner. I don’t think a reboot is going to fix it. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/StKtxkdX/61811804564__EDF4168C-BA1B-43F1-ABA8-926C5B020451.mp4
[03:31] <Geo> Hi, stuck on an ln question. I have /foo and /bar as existing directories (bar is currently empty). Because of an application setting I can't change, I'd like to link /bar to /foo. I tried doing ln -s /foo /bar, but that creates /bar/foo. This is also in a docker container, so I can't use mount. What else could I try to make /bar link (or pick a better term) to /foo?
[03:35] <mneptok> Geo: fully qualify your paths
[03:35] <mneptok> (unless your example is correct, and these dirs exist at the root level of the fs
[03:36] <Geo>  /foo is, /bar is not- but I did fully qualify the path to /bar
[03:37] <Geo> so better said, it creates /full/path/to/bar/foo
[03:38] <Geo> I just want /full/path/to/bar   to point to /foo
[03:42] <profdeadmeat> hello ancient character here trying to install ubuntu using debootstrap.  Is grub still used or what should be used instead.
[03:42] <coolusername12> are we against normal installation methods?
[03:42] <quadrathoch2> profdeadmeat grub is still used :) but v2
[03:43] <profdeadmeat> as an ancient character I use what I can.  only cd that booted was system restore.  knoppix versions failed misrably.
[03:51] <profdeadmeat> looks like grub for normal computers is not available in standard cache
[03:52] <profdeadmeat> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux#Debootstrap  has not been updated since lucid.
[03:52] <Geo> profdeadmeat: I'll come back and ask what was mentioned earlier- why can't you use normal install media? perhaps I'm misunderstanding what your issue is
[03:55] <profdeadmeat> Geo: only cd that booted machine was a system restore cd which was arch linux
[03:57] <Geo> if the machine can't boot from a modern CD, I don't expect you'll be successful in running ubuntu down the road. I'd look more into how you are burning those CDs, maybe? Is this a super old computer?
[03:57] <Geo> s/running/installing
[03:58] <quadrathoch2> profdeadmeat you would just need to install grub after chrooting into it
[04:03] <Geo> profdeadmeat: also, which version of ubuntu did you try installing?
[04:06] <profdeadmeat> focal
[04:07] <profdeadmeat> have not yet tried to reboot but just various docs do talk about grub and not finding it cleanly in the apt-get cache is disconcerting.
[04:08] <quadrathoch2> it should be there profdeadmeat
[04:10] <independent> can someone explain me how gitlab builder works? I have heavy work to be compiled and uploaded but I lack information can someone view my repo and tell me more about that feature? https://gitlab.com/remigirard28/MollyEskam-Linux
[04:12] <cyp3d> Wondering if authorized_keys data is considered sensitive?
[04:12] <cyp3d> From a security standpoint, if that was submitted to a public github - is that bad?
[04:14] <k_sze> Does anybody know of some open source or free software PDF viewer with built-in dictionary lookup?
[04:14] <independent> k_sze: libreoffice
[04:18] <k_sze> libreoffice is very heavy weight though, and it sometimes has difficulty opening some even pretty small PDFs.
[04:19] <independent> always depends of your ram
[04:19] <quadrathoch2> k_sze it's probably not because of the size, but adobe is constantly changing the pdf standard, so the open source programs have to catch up
[04:26] <k_sze> I'm going to try and see if Okular has built-in dictionary lookup.
[04:27] <k_sze> I mean the lookup function being built-in. The dictionary doesn't need to be built-in. Like the dictionary lookup in Calibre (except Calibre absolutely sucks at rendering PDF).
[04:32] <k_sze> Okular is close, except it opens the lookup in a separate web browser.
[04:33] <k_sze> I kinda wish it could open the lookup in a pane of the PDF reading window.
[06:33] <urgent> I just made a bootable usb to try ubuntu 20.04 on my new laptop and it's completely frozen nothing works I can't turn it off everything is over heating please anyone can help
[06:33] <EriC^^> urgent: hold the power button
[06:33] <urgent> doesn't work
[06:33] <quadrathoch2> urgent just force it off (pressing the power button for 5+ secs
[06:33] <EriC^^> urgent: remove battery?
[06:34] <urgent> Can't remove the battery
[06:34] <EriC^^> urgent: try alt+prntscreen+b
[06:34] <urgent> Okay
[06:35] <scythefwd2> I know my laptop supports usb c PD... at least for charging the laptop.. is there a way to see if linux recognizes that capability (hoping to chain  devices and use it to power a usb c pd device
[06:36] <urgent> Nothing with alt+prntscreen+b
[06:36] <urgent> I even removed the usb because I didn.t install ubuntu
[06:36] <urgent> Nothing works
[06:37] <urgent> What can I do the laptop is going to burn
[06:37] <urgent> It's at overmax temp.
[06:39] <scythefwd2> urgent.. press and hold the power button until it shuts off
[06:39] <scythefwd2> thats acpi which is built into bios /uefi ... not OS level
[06:39] <scythefwd2> it's a harsh shutdown.. your filesystem may not care for it
[06:40] <urgent> It worked this time thank you guys\
[06:41] <scythefwd2> havent had that happen in ubuntu yet.. what laptop ? (I had that issue about 2x a month in mint, which is why I'm curious)
[06:41] <urgent> Why did that happen all I did was clicked on about and the whole thing was frozen
[06:42] <scythefwd2> I cant tell ya... you'll have to go digging through journalctl and see if it recorded anything
[06:42] <urgent> I just bought it today Ausu ROG
[06:42] <scythefwd2> not to sound rough.. but whew.. its not my laptop model lol
[06:42] <urgent> Intel i7 10th gen Nvidia GTX 1650ti 16 GB DDR4 ram 512 pcie NV ssd
[06:43] <EriC^^> urgent: maybe it had some kernel issue and froze or something
[06:44] <scythefwd2> does happen.. laptops .. especially ones designed with windows in mind.. can have some funky hardware that can cause stability issues with their f/oss counterpart modules
[06:44] <urgent> Model G512Li
[06:44] <EriC^^> urgent: it might also be something to do with the nvidia card, maybe using nomodeset and then installing drivers later might help
[06:45] <urgent> But I didn't install ubuntu only try it
[06:45] <EriC^^> urgent: yeah, try to boot with nomodeset, just to see if it works better in the live session maybe
[06:45] <EriC^^> !nomodeset | urgent
[06:46] <EriC^^> urgent: are you using latest iso? i think it's at 20.04.1 now
[06:46] <urgent> Does 20.04 work well with Nvidia gtx 1650ti
[06:47] <urgent> Yes Ijust downloaded it from ubuntu . com
[06:48] <urgent> This is a very new model laptop maybe too new?
[06:48] <sshine> hi.
[06:49] <EriC^^> hello sshine
[06:49] <sshine> I'm trying to configure a Docker image based on Ubuntu, and for that I want to add a PPA, which requires the 'software-properties-common' package. installing that I eventually get prompted with a 'Please select the geographic area in which you live.' live menu. how do I disable that?
[06:50] <sshine> (so I might type 'apt install -y ...' to avoid prompting if I'm sure. is there a similar command-line switch that will pick some default locale?)
[06:51] <sshine> ah, someone asked this question on askubuntu :) https://askubuntu.com/questions/909277/avoiding-user-interaction-with-tzdata-when-installing-certbot-in-a-docker-contai
[06:51] <urgent> Can I paste a link to the laptop here?
[06:51] <scythefwd2> for what purpose?
[06:52] <urgent> Maybe someone hee can see if there is an issue with this laptop with ubuntu
[06:53] <urgent> Yes No?
[06:53] <scythefwd2> you've already given the model number
[06:54] <urgent> Oh okay
[06:54] <urgent> What do you think?
[06:55] <urgent> Can a laptop be too new for ubuntu?
[06:55] <urgent> Or should I install and not try?
[06:56] <EriC^^> urgent: try it with 'nomodeset' first to try to see if its a nvidia issue
[06:56] <urgent> I don't know what that is or how to do it sorry
[06:57] <urgent> All I saw when it was loading was about 12 lines of errors
[06:57] <urgent> I think it said no network connection
[06:58] <urgent> I didn't add the wifi at the time of booting from the usb
[06:58] <scythefwd2> urgent.. nothing you listed should be too much of a problem.. , but you're gonna have to modify your grub menu while sitting at the menu
[06:58] <scythefwd2> and trying that nomodeset in your grub menu may have an effect
[06:59] <urgent> But when you just try and not install it is in read only nothing is saved just running from ram
[07:00] <EriC^^> urgent: yeah but it runs differently
[07:00] <urgent> Is it better to install then to try?
[07:00] <scythefwd2> urgent.. https://www.dell.com/support/article/en-us/sln306327/manual-nomodeset-kernel-boot-line-option-for-linux-booting?lang=en  step by step on how to set nomodeset
[07:00] <EriC^^> urgent: when you booted the live usb, did you get a black and white menu at the top, or did you get a neat menu in the middle?
[07:01] <urgent> Neat menu
[07:01] <urgent> Everything was fine until I clicked on settings about
[07:01] <urgent> then everything was frozen
[07:02] <EriC^^> urgent: in the neat menu i think if you press 'f6' it should offer to select nomodeset
[07:02] <tatertotz> then just don't do that anymore
[07:02] <urgent> LoL okay
[07:03] <urgent> I will try it again now that it had time to cool down
[07:03] <urgent> thanks guys for the help I will let you know what happens
[07:07] <urgent> I was to see the error at booting it said connection to tpm something\
[07:08] <urgent> Should I disable tpm in the bios?
[07:09] <urgent> i think that is trusted platform mod
[07:11] <tatertotz> there is a #hardware channel
[07:12] <urgent> Okay thanks
[07:13] <scythefwd2> ubuntu can use your tpm
[07:14] <scythefwd2> if it's throwing errors and you're just testing out.. you're going to want to  leave it enabled.. otherwise it will cause mary hobb with booting into windows (part of secure boot)
[07:15] <urgent> I disabled secure boot I wasn't planning on keeping windows
[07:15] <scythefwd2> believe it or not.. ubuntu can handle secure boot too
[07:16] <urgent> I just wanted to test it out to see if it detected my wifi and gpu
[07:16] <scythefwd2> there are some gotcha's if you dual boot.. but on it's own it seems to be working fine, at least on my desktop and my laptop
[07:16] <scythefwd2> gpu it will.. probably defaults to noveau drivers
[07:16] <scythefwd2> wifi.. that would depend
[07:16] <urgent> It did detect the wifi just fine
[07:16] <Jonii> Hello. I upgraded 18.04 to 20.04 and I lost the headphone jack audio device in the process
[07:17] <Jonii> It's visible in alsamixer but not in pavucontrol or ubuntu sound settings
[07:17] <urgent> and it is the intel wifi 6
[07:17] <scythefwd2> @urgent: wifi has been my biggest support woe on linux so far.. there are other things that dont work.. but I never expected those to.. the wifi I need though lol
[07:17] <Jonii> With headphone jack I also lost my microphone
[07:18] <urgent> Yes for sure we need the wifi
[07:18] <urgent> I'm was surprised with such anew wifi card ubuntu detected it right away no issues
[07:19] <scythefwd2> intel chipsets are usually pretty well supported
[07:19] <urgent> It's a intel card not sure what model just know its wifi 6
[07:19] <scythefwd2> my realtek.. took over a year to get it supported
[07:19] <urgent> omg
[07:19] <scythefwd2> yeah, this laptop has been hard to find a distro for
[07:20] <scythefwd2> so far, ubuntu 20.04 has been the most stable, well supported of them
[07:21] <urgent> Funny thing is i have a intel core i5 6th gen with onboard gpu and it hates ubuntu never worked after 16.04
[07:21] <scythefwd2> just upgraded the graphics drivrs.. and whew.. shes warming up under glmark.. just hit 74 degrees on cpu and gpu (its really same chip .. )
[07:22] <urgent> Crashes every 10 secs
[07:22] <scythefwd2> dont think I've heard this fan work like that in a long while woohoo lol
[07:23] <urgent> I think my command line history is off i typed grep gpu and its hanging
[07:23] <urgent> I guess i missed something lol
[07:24] <scythefwd2> lets see.. of the things I've had to fight with on this laptop.. touch screen , usb hotplugging issues, wireless, graphics not accelerated, stylus, and I think the sensor for auto rotating the screen into tablet mode
[07:25] <scythefwd2> all now work.. but it's been a bumpy ride.  Thats what I get for having one of the earlier ryzen laptops lol
[07:25] <scythefwd2>  well all but the screen flippy thing
[07:26] <scythefwd2> even got the IR camera to do face recognition
[07:28] <urgent> wow that's good
[07:29] <scythefwd2> lucky lol.. screen flippy thing I never expect to work outside of windows..
[07:29] <urgent> Intel AX201 wifi card works 100% with 20.04
[07:29] <scythefwd2> realtek rt8822b is good now, took a while
[10:16] <supastupid> Ok I’m here for an actual Ubuntu problem this time... the Ubuntu installer checks files and cuts to a black screen with the asus logo, and thenubuntu
[10:16] <supastupid> the Ubuntu logo
[10:16] <supastupid> Freaking iPad keyboard autocorrect
[10:17] <manu27993> supastupid: press esc key to know what's going on
[10:17] <supastupid> 20.04
[10:17] <supastupid> kkk
[10:19] <supastupid> Esc doesn’t no crap
[10:20] <supastupid> do
[10:20] <supastupid> aaa ipad
[10:21] <manu27993> supastupid: press esc when you start seeing both asus and Ubuntu logo... Check for any errors highlighted in red
[10:21] <supastupid> I cnat
[10:22] <supastupid> this is what it looks like
[10:22] <supastupid> Https://imgur.com/a/OdhZbpv
[10:22] <supastupid> dont mind the cables
[10:22] <TJ-> supastupid: you may need to tap Esc repeatedly so it is caught by GRUB as it loads --- unfortunately modern UEFI doesn't provide a way for the boot-loader to detect a key held down (such as shift), only key-down key-up events - hence needing to tap!
[10:23] <supastupid> Wait what
[10:23] <supastupid> im losstttt
[10:23] <supastupid> where and when do I press esc
[10:24] <TJ-> supastupid: that appears to be the Plymouth 'splash' screen which 'hides' the kernel loading messages... usually at that point it is after the kernel has loaded and tapping Esc should hide that 'splash' and reveal the kernel messages (as text)
[10:24] <supastupid> i also remove quiet splash sometimes
[10:24] <supastupid> no errors
[10:24] <manu27993> supastupid: when you see both the logos and a spinning loader icon in between the logos, press esc key
[10:25] <supastupid> Without quiet splash it also cuts to black screen ;-;
[10:25] <supastupid> Kk
[10:25] <TJ-> supastupid: there are 2 points. 1) at early boot loader time to intercept the boot-loader menu so you can choose options like Recovery, or an older kernel, or 2) after boot when system is booting and you want to hide the Splash and see the messages
[10:26] <supastupid> cant open dev sro
[10:27] <supastupid> Failed unmounting cdrom
[10:27] <supastupid> gets all the way to network manager dispatcher then freezess
[10:28] <supastupid> wth
[10:28] <TJ-> supastupid: the "black screen' is usually a symptom of a problem with the GPU/display drivers
[10:28] <supastupid> this is more confusing then me changing my arch Efi partition to ext4
[10:28] <manu27993> supastupid: have you updated you graphics driver recently?
[10:29] <supastupid> i don’t have qan os on ,y lc
[10:29] <Paddy_NI> I have two displays plugged in to the same GPU, DVI and D-SUB.  If I open an Application like Private Internet Access's "PIA Manager" or "Discord" on the D-SUB monitor performance for that App is terrible.  Animations are so slow that it is unusable, I have also noticed this is true for AnyDesk which is for remotely accessing other PC's.  If I move any of these windows over to DVI monitor then it is perfect.
[10:29] <supastupid> i don’t hav an os on my computer
[10:29] <TJ-> supastupid: hmmm, it is possible that system has an unusual WiFi device that needs custom driver or firmware to operate, and as a result could be 'hanging' trying to find a working network connection
[10:29] <supastupid> fk
[10:30] <supastupid> i have a crap routee
[10:30] <supastupid> doe,s it really need WiFi tgo
[10:30] <supastupid> my WiFi has password
[10:30] <manu27993> supastupid: try booting with a LAN connection
[10:30] <supastupid> you mean ether cable
[10:31] <supastupid> router far away
[10:31] <supastupid> big, big, big sad
[10:31] <manu27993> No you don't need internet to boot...
[10:32] <supastupid> Well how do I boot withoutit
[10:32] <supastupid> networkmanager is not happy
[10:33] <supastupid> her is an imag
[10:33] <supastupid> here is an. Image
[10:34] <supastupid> https://imgur.com/a/OdhZbpv
[10:37] <TJ-> Paddy_NI: That sounds like an issue with the GPU; sounds like it is having some kind of problem driving the VGA output... like no hardware acceleration
[10:46] <supastupid> I’m back anyone got da solution
[10:49] <quadrathoch2> supastupid do you got a nvidia card?
[10:49] <supastupid> Sorry fro bad pidture
[10:50] <supastupid> nvidia GeForce GTX 1060
[10:53] <quadrathoch2> when you see the menu what you want to boot, click e on the "ubuntu" menu point, and at the end of linux, put "nomodeset" without "
[10:53] <quadrathoch2> supastupid ^
[10:53] <supastupid> Great
[10:53] <supastupid> i can’t wait to play troce
[10:54] <supastupid> trove
[10:55] <supastupid>  noooooo
[10:55] <supastupid> ffuuuuu
[10:55] <supastupid> it doesn’t recognize the usb anymore
[10:57] <supastupid> thicc ubuntu
[10:58] <supastupid> Jeez I have a horrible voice
[10:58] <supastupid> blak screen with cursor it gets to now
[11:00] <Paddy_NI> TJ-, Yes I suppose it does, I will have to figure out what is going on.  I am using a pretty old Graphics card, perhaps the onboard GPU on this tower is better for all I know.
[11:01] <supastupid> I can move mouse
[11:12] <circle> hi-im using "sudo badblocks -v /dev/sdb1 > badsectors.txt", then "sudo e2fsck -l badsectors.txt /dev/sdb1". when thats done if i where to format the drive would the drive still skip the bad sectors found and remedied by the second command?
[11:13] <circle> or do i need to do this every format/new partition table on the drive; assuming it has errors badblocks
[11:21] <circle> please help me someone
[11:41] <EriC^^> circle: as far as i know, if you dd if=/dev/zero the whole drive it should find all bad sectors internally and mark them
[11:44] <circle> cool thank you-would you tell me if i can monitor progress with any sort of | or flag
[11:48] <circle> EriC^^, cheers for the help
[11:48] <EriC^^> circle: you could do dd if= of= status=progress bs=4M
[11:48] <EriC^^> no problem
[12:04] <nss> hello
[12:18] <rattlebattle79> hello nss
[12:18] <circle> hi nss
[12:20] <circle> anybody care to tell me how i can calculate expected time for badblocks -v /dev/sdbx" on an 80G hdd 7200 sata connected drive with a phenom II cpu 16G ram
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:37] <circle> im reading 700hrs on a reddit post with a dude that has a 12TB usb 3.0 mine is hooked up interanally to my mb via sata but is hdd and only 7200 speed-whats the equation to work out approx completion time please someone
[12:42] <circle> mb is a gigabyte GA-870A-UD3 gt 16G ram and 7200 hdd sata connected(sata2) 1333 dims x4G x4
[12:43] <frostschutz> circle, see if smartctl -a /dev/sdb has a "Extended self-test routine recommended polling time", that might be about it then
[12:43] <circle> what equation can i use to estimate how long a badblocks -v /dev/sdax > badblocks.txt
[12:43] <circle> thanks frostschutz
[12:44] <frostschutz> use badblocks -sv for a bit of progress indiciation
[12:44] <circle> i ran the scan smaartctrl before and it came up healthy | i will use that in future thanks for the advice
[12:44] <circle> just wanted to have a go using badblocks
[12:45] <circle> and smartctl only took seconds on the 80G
[12:45] <frostschutz> be careful with badblocks, easy to lose data
[12:46] <circle> this is an empty drive-for me to learn on; pretty sure it has issues so took it out of service already-thanks
[12:47] <circle> how so easy to lose data; like dd when you use wrong drive letter or part number
[12:47] <circle> or just invoking the wrong flags together (thats a guess)
[12:56] <circle> all gud read the manual
[13:05] <deltreey> so I have my terminal pulldown set to ctrl+` (or in guake's case ctrl+esc) and I use cinnamon for my desktop.  When I turn on the mouse feature for display mouse on ctrl pressed, those keyboard shortcuts stop working.  Anyone know where I can report this bug?
[13:16] <r15> How to dist upgrade from cosmic to latest (ubuntu 20)? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cdfzY5kzK3/ <error with the repo
[13:18] <quadrathoch2> !eolupgrade
[13:18] <quadrathoch2> r15 ^
[13:18] <quadrathoch2> r15 but you can't jump, you would need to upgrade to every single release
[13:20] <mertgor> Hi people!
[13:22] <circle> just for curiosity sake answered what command would update each version hop; sudo apt update -y && sudo apt dist-full-upgrade-y?
[13:22] <r15> quadrathoch2:Thanks
[13:26] <netcrash> Hello, I have bluetooth sound phones and they work for every sound in ubuntu except spotify. Any idea on what can be the issue?
[13:27] <circle> ?
[14:12] <Xatenev> hello
[14:12] <Xatenev> what is the recommended swap size for ubuntu?
[14:12] <Xatenev> Ive installed ubuntu yesterday and only have a swap size of 2gb which seems really low imho?
[14:14] <olegb> Xatenev: how much RAM do you have?
[14:15] <Xatenev> 16gb
[14:15] <olegb> Xatenev: and do you use hibernation?
[14:15] <Xatenev> my memory is 100% usage and swap is 100% usage and my system stutters sometimes and i think its because of the low swap
[14:15] <Xatenev> olegb: how can i check that?
[14:16] <olegb> Xatenev: Settings -> Power
[14:17] <Xatenev> I dont have anything like that here
[14:17] <Xatenev> I have automatic suspend -> off
[14:17] <Xatenev> and wifi on and blank screen 5minutes
[14:17] <olegb> Xatenev: I think 2GB should suffice for 16GB RAM (https://askubuntu.com/questions/594054/how-much-swap-should-i-take-for-1gb-to-8tb-of-ram-on-14-04-or-higher)
[14:18] <Xatenev> https://itsfoss.com/swap-size/
[14:18] <Xatenev> this one recommends something else
[14:18] <Xatenev> atleast square root, if hibernation, size of ram + square root
[14:18] <olegb> ... but the links says 4gb ...
[14:18] <Xatenev> so maybe i should increase it to 4g?
[14:19] <olegb> yah :-) I have a box with 16 gb and 1 gb swap ... it doesnt use swap at all.
[14:19] <Xatenev> because you probably dont use java
[14:19] <Xatenev> lol
[14:19] <Xatenev> https://gyazo.com/c6f25ec3372e925651dcdc3bef175b0f
[14:19] <Xatenev> see memory and swap top left
[14:19] <olegb> Xatenev: hehe - yah, Java will eat your RAM
[14:20] <olegb> ph34r t3h jaba..
[14:23] <Xatenev> ive added 4gb swap file i hope it helps :)
[14:23] <Xatenev> thx
[14:25] <Xatenev> it does appear to be a ton faster now.
[14:26] <pikapika> if we have multiple ppas does apt handle things in a "global" glance or treats whatever ppa the application is found in as its own thing?
[14:27] <pikapika> especially of concern to me is what happens if Package A from PPA X and Package B from PPA Y conflict
[14:27] <pikapika> Would it be resolved in a manner similar to if A and B were from the same PPA or is it handled differently, potentially even breaking the system?
[14:35] <comodoro> quit
[14:40] <pikapika> quit?
[14:40] <olegb> :q!
[14:46] <killn9ne> or /q
[14:46] <killn9ne> irssi uses /q ;)
[14:48] <coconut> pikapika, afaik ppa's always break the system when versions do not match the rest of the sources list. So best is to just not use them, or be very carefull.
[14:53] <futureRich> hello how can i install <curl/curl.h> in c++?
[14:53] <oerheks> look for the curl -dev package?
[14:54] <oerheks> !build
[14:54] <futureRich> oerheks: what do you mean? look for what?
[14:55] <oerheks> i think it is pretty clear, find the -dev develop/build package for curl?
[14:56] <leftyfb> futureRich: I found these packages that might be what you're looking for https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/TGvD6YYRN5/
[14:58] <futureRich> no idea what you mean?
[14:58] <futureRich> :(
[15:03] <coconut> futureRich, she means that one of those packages is probably what you are looking for... just use apt to figure out what package match and then retry what you were doing.
[15:04] <futureRich> cooldude: thanks i will back in 10 min
[15:04] <futureRich> wait
[15:04] <futureRich> plz
[15:04] <leftyfb> !enter | futureRich
[15:05] <leftyfb> coconut: please don't assume gender
[15:10] <pikapika> coconut, I see
[15:11] <pikapika> I'll list my PPAs and see if I can just cull them or wrap up the softwares as my own apt packages
[15:11] <BluesKaj> pikapika, don't
[15:12] <BluesKaj> comment them, once the packages are installed
[15:14] <pikapika> When installing anything not in repos it would be recommended to manually package it up first right? Or just install self contained inside /opt or something?
[15:15] <pikapika> Because otherwise apt has no knowledge of the changes the configure and make did
[15:15] <pikapika> which of course is a recipe for disaster in the future
[15:16] <pikapika> BluesKaj, oh you mean if I just comment out the PPAs, the existing software I installed from there would remain?
[15:16] <BluesKaj> yes
[15:19] <BluesKaj> normally, i remove the ppas after installing the software to avoid breakage on the next kernel or dependency upgrades
[15:20] <circle> found the following line in bugs-tlb_mmatch apic_c1e fxsave_leak sysret_ss_attrs null_seg amd_e400 spectre_v1 spectre_v2
[15:21] <circle> after running 'less /proc/cpuinfo' should i be at all concerned
[15:21] <circle> or is that a list of bugs mitigated by my kernel
[15:22] <circle> very confused
[15:23] <oerheks> Linux is detecting CPU features and using them while also working around known limitations and bugs. you found the found bugs, spectre 1 and 2 sound familiar, no?
[15:23] <oerheks> it is just a message, not a warning
[15:24] <circle> it does thats why i worried and i thought amd wasnt affected actually,my bad
[15:24] <circle> but those names def got me stressing
[15:24] <oerheks> all AMD up to -2019 have bugs.
[15:26] <circle> so does linux slow performance to manage that
[15:26] <circle> think i read something to that effect about intel way back
[15:26] <circle> with amd i mean
[15:28] <coconut> leftyfb, sorry for that
[15:30] <oerheks> circle, the impact of the fixes differ per processor/vendor. nothing we can do about that.
[15:39] <futureRich> coconut: apt search libcurl-dev   there is no library
[15:41] <oerheks> futureRich, what are you trying to build in c++? leftyfb gave some clue about curl dev packages.
[15:42] <futureRich> web scrapping with c++
[15:42] <futureRich> using < curl/curl.h>
[15:42] <oerheks> without such info, ubuntu version and so on, we should not even answer.
[15:42] <futureRich> ubuntu 20.04
[15:43] <leftyfb> futureRich: I gave you a list of packages that include curl.h. They're typically usage-specific. eg. openssl
[15:43] <futureRich> ok then i will go to libcurl4-openss-dev
[15:44] <leftyfb> futureRich: if you don't understand this, I'm not sure how you plan on accomplishing your goal without these basic understandings
[15:44] <circle> godam
[15:44] <leftyfb> futureRich: you might do well asking questions in a c++ channel
[15:45] <futureRich> step by step
[15:45] <futureRich> no one can do it with first step
[15:45] <leftyfb> futureRich: this is a support channel for Ubuntu. Not a step-by-step programming channel, regardless of which OS you're running
[15:45] <futureRich> ubuntu 20.04
[15:46] <leftyfb> futureRich: /join #c++
[15:46] <futureRich> ok
[15:46] <futureRich> thanks
[15:47] <oerheks> care to share what project/url you follow  for 'web scraping' ??
[15:47] <oerheks> this is so silly, to keep asking for info..
[15:51] <ddubya> I'm on 18.04 lts and latest update broke nvidia driver. I tried the usual suspects (apt-get autoremove nvidia-*; apt-get install nvidia-driver-440) and no dice
[15:53] <leftyfb> ddubya: tried reverting to the previous kernel?
[15:53] <ddubya> there is no nvidia.ko in /lib/modules/blah/dkms/
[15:53] <ddubya> I have not tried reverting, yet
[15:54] <ddubya> It seems that will probably work since nvidia.ko is present in that one
[15:54] <leftyfb> ddubya: you might be missing the linux-modules for your current kernel
[15:55] <leftyfb> ddubya: more specifically linux-modules-nvidia-440-server-$(uname -r)
[15:56] <ddubya> yes!, but why wasn't this pulled in?
[15:59] <ddubya> I'd like to fix that since it will break again on next update right
[16:01] <Bashing-om> ddubya: dkms ? - what shows ' dkms status ' ?
[16:02] <ddubya> it shows nvidia driver, and "zenpower"
[16:03] <ddubya> well zenpower for the old kernel
[16:04] <Bashing-om> ddubya: dkms is supposed to ensure that " will break again on next update " does not happen.
[16:04] <leftyfb> ddubya: what version of ubuntu?
[16:04] <ddubya> 18.04
[16:04] <ddubya> I guess it lists nvidia.ko now that I manually installed it
[16:04] <leftyfb> ddubya: try installing linux-modules-nvidia-440-generic-hwe-18.04
[16:05] <leftyfb> ddubya: that should follow upgrades of the linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04 package
[16:07] <ddubya> one unusual thing, I had a manually installed previously to fix amd zen2 bugs, it seems I don't need it anymore
[16:08] <ddubya> would that explain the break when kernel got upgraded?
[16:08] <leftyfb> ddubya: manually installed what?
[16:08] <ddubya> it was kernel 5.3.x
[16:08] <leftyfb> yes
[16:08] <leftyfb> ddubya: I recommend sticking with linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04 as your kernel
[16:08] <ddubya> now I'm on 5.4... but I had it stuck on the manual kernel for a long time
[16:09] <ddubya> ok thanks
[16:27] <ddubya> thanks for the help, everything back to normal. I also remove the unsigned kernel I was running for zen2 support, appears no longer necessary
[16:57] <MrFreeze> Hey guys i need help... trying to install a webserver and my repos give this: The repository 'http://mirrors.digitalocean.com/ubuntu cosmic Release' no longer has a Release file.
[16:57] <MrFreeze> also with E: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/tiff/libtiff5_4.0.9-6ubuntu0.2_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 2606:4700:3031::6818:74d1 80]
[16:57] <leftyfb> MrFreeze: maybe use an official mirror, not DI's
[16:58] <oerheks> cosmic is dead.
[16:58] <leftyfb> also that
[16:58] <MrFreeze> so what repos do i need?
[16:58] <oerheks> for what ubuntu version?
[16:58] <leftyfb> MrFreeze: I would recommend upgrading to 18.04/bionic
[16:59] <oerheks> that would be downgrading, or the hard way to upgrade to 20.04.. cosmic dead/EOL, Disco dead/eol ..
[17:00] <leftyfb> ugh, sorry. In a meeting at the moment as well :)
[17:00] <oerheks> that is oke, assuming he is on cosmic
[17:00] <leftyfb> MrFreeze: I would recommend installing or upgrading to an LTS release of Ubuntu. That is either 18.04(install fresh) or 20.04(you can perform a manual upgrade)
[17:01] <MrFreeze> im about to do a fresh install doesnt matter to me :) just backing things up :D
[17:06] <thyriaen> Hiho, is it possible to add a single package from a ppa ?
[17:07] <leftyfb> thyriaen: not easily if it has dependencies from the same ppa
[17:07] <thyriaen> and if thats not the case ?
[17:07] <leftyfb> thyriaen: if there's just 1 package, just sudo apt install <package name>, then comment out/disable the ppa
[17:08] <thyriaen> yea but then i won't get the changes unfortunately
[17:08] <leftyfb> thyriaen: which package?
[17:09] <thyriaen> i would like to add the pantheon-terminal but since their stable branch is not on 20.04 yet i would have to go with their daily repository
[17:11] <oerheks> from elementary?
[17:12] <thyriaen> yea
[17:20] <Teachmehow> Hi. I tried to change my keybinding from <Caps> to <Home> and
[17:20] <Teachmehow>              edited my /usr/share/X11/xkb/keycodes/evdev config and set HOME
[17:20] <Teachmehow>              to 66. I restarted my PC and now it won't boot and I get this
[17:20] <Teachmehow>              kernel error:
[17:20] <Teachmehow> ACPI Error: Needed type Reference found dPackage 00000000CDS
[17:20] <Teachmehow>              (20190816/exresop-66), ACPI Error: AE_AML_OPERAND_TYPE, While
[17:21] <leftyfb> !paste | Teachmehow
[17:21] <oerheks> !paste
[17:21] <MrFreeze> The following packages have been kept back: wont let me upgrade
[17:22] <Teachmehow> sorry that was a mistake
[17:22] <leftyfb> Teachmehow: crossposting is also frowned upon
[17:22] <leftyfb> Teachmehow: what version on ubuntu are you running?
[17:23] <Teachmehow> leftyfb: sorry.. didn't know that... I am running the Ubuntu 20.04 version LTS release.
[17:24] <MrFreeze> linux-headers-generic linux-headers-virtual linux-image-virtual linux-virtual are in the upgrade but when i type sudo apt upgrade it doesnt do anything
[17:24] <Bashing-om> MrFreeze: What packags are held back ? Generally there is a reason they are held - But, one can force the issue to install.
[17:25] <MrFreeze> its going now lol
[17:25] <leftyfb> MrFreeze: sudo apt full-upgrade
[17:25] <MrFreeze> think i typoed ;)
[17:58] <coconut> what is the equalavant of apt clean for snap?
[18:05] <JustTheDoctor> i have a ubuntu server, everytime i try to create a tar i get tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors how can i fix this?
[18:13] <MikeRL> Does anybody know how I can change the system icon for the Thunderbird snap manually on Ubuntu 20.04 with GNOME? It is using an old looking icon and it just doesn't look right with v68 or v78 (depending on the channel you select).
[18:17] <MikeRL> Hmm. Thunderbird.png file in ~/snap/thunderbird/current/meta/gui. And a .desktop file.
[18:21] <MikeRL> I found a suitable icon replacement. But it says "error - read only filesystem." And that
[18:21] <MikeRL> Oops.
[18:22] <MikeRL> That is with nautilus running a window as root.
[18:23] <MikeRL> Turns out I've answered my own question. Snaps use squash-fs. Guess I;ll try to email the dev to update the icon.
[18:27] <cesarnfo> plis redirect me to offtopic ubuntu
[18:27] <EriC^> !offtopic | cesarnfo
[18:27] <Bashing-om> !offtopic | cesarnfo
[18:27] <cesarnfo> zx
[18:56] <ddubya> 11-button mouse stopped working in kernel 5.4 buttons 9,10,11 do not produce events in xev
[18:57] <ddubya> correction, buttons 11,12,13
[18:58] <ubuntutr> can you login to the site? https://www.herseyistanbul.com/tr/canta/123-brawl-stars-ortopedik-ilkokul-cantasibeslenme-cantasi-master-pack-554.html
[18:59] <ubuntutr> i cant login :(
[19:02] <coconut> ubuntutr, why you ask?
[19:02] <ubuntutr> i cant join
[19:02] <ubuntutr> 503
[19:02] <coconut> and why is that a question here?
[19:36] <ddubya> i figured it out, new logitech driver in kernel is broken, generic driver works
[20:13] <helo> I'm on a minimal 20.04 desktop install. I see that $SSH_AGENT_PID is set, and there's indeed a ssh-agent running as that PID, but I have to enter my passphrase every time. is there some extra trick needed?
[20:15] <oerheks> helo,  you want ssh-keys to login? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys
[20:18] <leftyfb> oerheks: they're referring to being asked for the passphrase to their private ssh key which usually gets unlocked and cached by logging into gnome.
[20:19] <helo> yep, what leftyfb said
[20:22] <leftyfb> helo: the default in the gnome desktop which manages those things is seahorse
[20:23] <helo> maybe I just need to add 'AddKeysToAgent yes' to ~/.ssh/config, to avoid having to manually ssh-add
[20:28] <zeus_> Why are the kernels named <version>-generic etc. I'm having an issue getting vmlinux kernel with the same version as kernel modules e.g. vmlinux (4.15.18) and kernel module (4.15.18-1101-generic). I'm getting an error in `ipsec` because of this mismatch
[20:29] <zeus_> Is there a way I can either a) convert vmlinuz to vmlinux b) install prebuilt kernel module of the version 4.15.18 without the generic keyword
[20:30] <zeus_> basically it's looking for the directory /lib/modules/4.15.18
[20:31] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-virtual | zeus_  This ?
[20:32] <sarnold> zeus_: are you building your own kernel? your own module?
[20:32] <oerheks> !info linux-image-virtual bionic
[20:38] <leftyfb> zeus_: what version of ubuntu?
[20:47] <soft_concrete> Hi, I'm trying to troubleshoot screen tearing issues on a laptop with Intel graphics. I've googled this and found a bunch of different suggestions on what to try...
[20:47] <soft_concrete> One question I have, from some of the stuff I was reading: How can I tell if I'm using the intel driver, or modesetting?
[20:49] <matsaman> soft_concrete: lspci -k | egrep -i 'vga|in use' | egrep -i vga -A 1
[20:49] <matsaman> soft_concrete: or you can check your most recent Xorg log in /var/log/
[20:50] <soft_concrete> Ok, it looks like I'm using the i915 driver
[20:52] <soft_concrete> My GPU is Intel HD Graphics 5500, and according to what I read, I should try using the modesetting driver
[20:52] <soft_concrete> Would using modesetting negatively impact my battery life? I found an old Ubuntu manpage in my search which says that modesetting isn't hardware accelerated
[20:53] <matsaman> you shouldn't really have to worry about that
[20:53] <matsaman> the only modesetting thing to deal with intel, if anything, would be whether you load it before X is loaded or not
[20:54] <matsaman> usually you can be happy with whatever your distro's default is (usually before X is loaded also)
[20:55] <soft_concrete> okay. Then any suggestions on troubleshooting screen tearing with the Intel HD 5500 using i915 as my driver?
[20:55] <matsaman> soft_concrete: you might want to be using 'i965' instead of 'i915', though
[20:55] <oerheks> modeset is more likely used for plugin cards, like nvidia, to disable energy saving stuff
[20:56] <matsaman> soft_concrete: and/or something called iris (i965 and iris)
[20:57] <matsaman> soft_concrete: oh I see how this is broken down; yes try i965
[20:58] <soft_concrete> matsaman: what's the difference between i915 and i965? and how would I switch to i965? I've done "apt search i965" and I see a few packages here
[21:00] <matsaman> soft_concrete: more recent driver for more recent hardware
[21:01] <matsaman> oh this is #ubuntu, so I don't have to ask you what distro =)
[21:01] <soft_concrete> 20.04
[21:03] <matsaman> soft_concrete: it could be this i965-va-driver package from universe, but that could be something supplemental only, too
[21:04] <matsaman> yeah probably the latter
[21:05] <soft_concrete> that's what I thought, too. I noticed "apt search i915" only returns xserver-xorg-video-intel which describes itself as "X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver"
[21:05] <matsaman> actually I still can't tell; sorry haven't done a lot of graphics debugging on Ubuntu in particular
[21:06] <soft_concrete> I'll ask in ##linux and then maybe post on Ask Ubuntu if I don't get an answer
[21:06] <quadrathoch2> soft_concrete afaik, you should be using modesetting with your gpu. to enable, the easiest would be to just remove the intel driver
[21:07] <matsaman> soft_concrete: see the bit at the end of first post about MESA_...: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2443218
[21:09] <soft_concrete> matsaman: hmm, I saw that line somewhere else in the last few minutes. I wasn't sure it would do the trick
[21:09] <zeus_> @ubottu No. I installed `linux-headers-4.15.18-...` to get the packages into /lib/modules
[21:09] <zeus_> @sarnold that would be my last option. To build it myself
[21:09] <zeus_> if nothing works
[21:09] <zeus_> @leftyfb I'm using 18.04
[21:11] <zeus_> What I'm trying to do is run alpine on firecracker (VM). But I'm using 4.15.18 kernel. Unfortunately my version of alpine doesn't have linux-headers so I'm trying to import it from pre-built versions in ubuntu
[21:11] <sarnold> zeus_: linux-headers-* packages only have headers, no modules
[21:11] <sarnold> zeus_: wait, you're using an alpine kernel and trying to use ubuntu headers? that's not going to work
[21:12] <sarnold> zeus_: you need to get your kernel, modules, headers, all from a single source
[21:12] <zeus_> @sarnold TBH I'm kinda new to this
[21:12] <zeus_> Ah I see
[21:12] <zeus_> Is there instructions on how to build kernel, modules and headers?
[21:13] <zeus_> @sarnold I was trying to do what this guy did https://github.com/ubergarm/l2tp-ipsec-vpn-client but without docker
[21:14] <zeus_> He's using ubuntu modules and ubuntu kernel on a alpine rootfs by mounting `-v /lib/modules:/lib/modules:ro`
[21:14] <sarnold> zeus_: yeah, that works bcause docker doesn't virtualize the kernel; it's the same kernel in everything
[21:14] <sarnold> zeus_: since you're using a VM, if you're using alpine in the VM, you've got to use alpine modules, too
[21:14] <zeus_> Another problem with building my own kernel is that I get vmlinuz but I want vmlinux. Firecracker doesn't agree with vmlinux
[21:15] <sarnold> iirc you can just use 'make vmlinux' to get that
[21:15] <sarnold> it's been fifteen years or more since I built my own kernel
[21:15] <zeus_> Oh I see
[21:17] <soft_concrete> it turns out that my screen tearing issue is related to using fractional display scaling
[21:17] <sarnold> soft_concrete: nice! bugger :(
[21:18] <soft_concrete> I had it set to 125% because I have a 13" or 14" screen on this laptop that's 1920x1080
[21:18] <soft_concrete> I thought about trying to see if the fractional sizing was an issue a couple of times but kept forgetting to actually do it >.>
[21:23] <soft_concrete> Some apps don't work well with fractional scaling and they look tiny on my screen... so I wonder if there's a way to force certain apps to launch at a different size
[21:23] <soft_concrete> if so, I could launch VLC un-scaled and maybe I could watch videos in VLC tear-free
[21:27] <koffel> hello all
[21:28] <sarnold> soft_concrete: I've always wondered how non-integer scaling would work... does it make almost everything fuzzy? only some lines fuzzy?
[21:29] <matsaman> hi koffel
[21:29] <koffel> hello
[21:30] <koffel> i am using ubuntu 14.04 and no matter what i do i can't get sound from 980 ti
[21:30] <oerheks> interesting, 14.04 is EOL, dead.
[21:32] <koffel> might be eol but one i like
[21:32] <oerheks> that sounds like you need to upgrade.
[21:32] <koffel> nope
[21:33] <oerheks> No, you are not in title to support, that machine should not be connected to the internet.
[21:33] <sarnold> is'nt 980ti a video card?
[21:33] <sarnold> was it released before or after 14.04?
[21:33] <sarnold> is this even in the realm of "it might work"?
[21:34] <oerheks> June 2, 2015
[21:34] <koffel> oerherks if ubuntu dev didnt keep changing it i would but every time i get almost every thing to work they change how it all works
[21:35] <rjwiii> koffel: seriously, you should upgrade. There are no more updates for 14.04 and newer software won't install.
[21:35] <koffel> upgrade not the solution
[21:35] <Maik_aD> koffel: why not?
[21:35] <koffel> it not always upgrade it worry about the stuff dont work later
[21:36] <sarnold> oerheks: hah, really? :)
[21:36] <oerheks> good luck!
[21:36] <Maik_aD> i get the impression you're just playing us koffel
[21:36] <koffel> software i use isnt upgradable to 15.04
[21:37] <Maik_aD> koffel:  you're whole system is outdated, unsupported and vulnerable which is asking for trouble
[21:37] <Maik_aD> you're/your
[21:37] <rjwiii> koffel: what software won't upgrade to later version?
[21:38] <koffel> not that bad if you use a good hardware firewall
[21:38] <koffel> mysql i use is in 14.04 5.0
[21:38] <koffel> after 5.0 they wacked it out
[21:39] <rjwiii> koffel: so, upgrade both ...
[21:39] <koffel> i am not gona redo they whole damn database \
[21:39] <Maik_aD> koffel: ubuntu 14.04 isn't even supported in this channel anymore, so you're on your own
[21:40] <makr8100> I think you can still find mysql 5.6 on a current distro
[21:40] <rjwiii> koffel: do you understand that your OS is no longer supported by Canonical?
[21:40] <koffel> ok i just ask if anyone had a idea on it
[21:40] <makr8100> I know for fact 5.7 is available
[21:40] <koffel> i have esm
[21:40] <makr8100> I'm not sure how compatible those are with 5.0 though
[21:41] <makr8100> Have you thought of running the db on a separate machine?
[21:41] <koffel> why hell would i run it in separate machines
[21:42] <makr8100> to run a modern distro while still supporting the old db
[21:42] <koffel> i have ubuntu 14.04 in a dual 6 core xeon server with 192gb ram and 20tb ssd space
[21:43] <sarnold> ooo nice
[21:43] <makr8100> then run it in a vm on the same physical machine
[21:43] <sarnold> or an lxd instance
[21:43] <makr8100> docker, vagrant, whatever
[21:44] <makr8100> otherwise what about proprietary drivers for the video card?
[21:44] <makr8100> or have you tried that already?
[21:45] <matsaman> dagrant
[22:12] <helo> is there some bug with 20.04 using multiple VPN connections? I can never seem to connect to a second one
[22:15] <Jayden> Where is the offtopic channel for Ubuntu?
[22:16] <matsaman> helo: doubt it, but that's bound to be tricky
[22:17] <sarnold> Jayden: #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:17] <compdoc> helo, you can have multiple connections, as long as the remote ip address ranges are differnt than yours, and you can only have one gateway
[22:17] <Jayden> Thanks, sarnold