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callmepkgood morning03:30
jameshmorning callmepk 03:31
callmepkmorning jamesh 03:32
dufluMorning callmepk and jamesh 03:55
callmepkmorning duflu 03:55
seb128goood morning desktopers06:50
jibelmorning all07:04
marcustomlinsonhi07:07
dufluHi jibel and marcustomlinson, and seb128 again07:11
seb128hey jibel, marcustomlinson, duflu07:49
Laney\o\o\o\/o/o/o/08:01
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luna_heya08:25
seb128tseliot, hey, could you check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-340/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 ? half of the reports are files conflict as bug #188723008:38
ubot5bug 1887230 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-340 (Ubuntu) "package nvidia-340 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/lib/udev/rules.d/71-nvidia.rules', which is also in package nvidia-kernel-common-435 435.21-0ubuntu7" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188723008:38
seb128that's probably something that needs addressing08:38
tseliotseb128: I can have a look later08:40
seb128tseliot, thanks08:40
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mertgorHi People! 10:18
ricotzheya11:41
ricotzlooks like vala is blocked in groovy-proposed, seems automake-1.16 is at fault here11:43
LaneyFAIL: t/vala-mix2.sh11:53
Laneysounds like a ricotz thing to me!11:53
mertgorI think that there are many topics on discourse, but where to start ?11:55
ricotzLaney, ooh11:57
seb128mertgor, hey, what do you want to start?12:07
mertgorseb128, i started with my friend to the GNOME Challange activity, so Ubuntu comes with GNOME, i can examine GNOME on Ubuntu, does it works for you ?12:11
mertgorseb128: i'm interested in GNOME extensions12:11
seb128mertgor, yes, what are you trying to do? work on fixing some bugs or doing code improvements?12:12
mertgorseb128: i told to my friend, that some extensions do not support new GNOME versions, so i can fork if it is possible and make it up to date fro the new GNOME versions12:13
mertgorseb128: fixing bugs, and improvement also in other words 12:14
seb128mertgor, is that part of https://www.gnome.org/challenge/ ? if so it looks like submitions are closed by now?12:14
mertgorseb128: i'm not the team leader but i'm there 12:14
seb128k12:14
mertgorseb128: There is an Open Source Community in Turkey, and a Slack instance and a GNOME Challange GitHub organization, that works together afaik12:15
mertgor*Slack instance is for GNOME activity12:15
mertgorbut this is offtopic and not directly related with Ubuntu 12:16
seb128right12:16
mertgorI think that Ubuntu fixes and changes some parts of GNOME such as dock 12:16
mertgorI can run 18.04 on a vm Qemu, so i can test this release, when i have enough network connection limit the new release12:18
jibelLaney, re kubuntu bug I mentioned yesterday, the fix is actually trivial https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZZVS4yD5df/12:30
jibelI'll push directly to master if you're ok12:30
seb128Laney, ricotz, it doesn't seem a vala update regression though, https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/a/automake-1.16/groovy/amd64  it had similar failure with 0.48.712:39
ricotzseb128, yeah, this looks to be caused by a stricter gcc 10?12:40
seb128the log isn't verbose on the details of the failure so difficult to say12:41
seb128but yeah, the first failure was with gcc 10 when the previous successful one was gcc 912:41
seb128ricotz, http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/automake.git/commit/?id=74b9f0bb?12:42
* seb128 cherry pick that one12:43
ricotzhaha exactly12:43
mertgorseb128: I assume that Ubuntu has an integration across different teams, for example #ubuntu-hardened is one of the teams that i have been following since 2016. But I just wanted to learn how you work for the Ubuntu. So i can pass my security issues to #ubuntu-hardened quickly12:54
seb128mertgor, the IRC channel are open, anyone can write there13:04
mertgorseb128: yes Thanks 13:06
seb128#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-08-0413:30
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seb128Roll call:  didrocks (out), duflu (out), heather, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney , marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)13:30
oSoMoNo/13:31
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hellswortho/13:31
marcustomlinson\o13:31
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Trevinhoo//13:31
seb128quite a reactive audiance today :-)13:31
seb128let's get started then!13:31
seb128#topic rls-bb-bug13:31
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:31
seb128some libreoffice ones on the list today13:32
seb128bug #188850413:32
ubot5bug 1888504 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Two-finger touchpad scroll broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188850413:32
hellsworthright so looks like a real problem.. haven't reproduced. do yall think it's work a deeper look?13:32
oSoMoNis this an upstream bug, or ubuntu-specific?13:33
seb128while better touch support would be desirable I don't think that would quality as a rls issue13:33
seb128we know the touch screen experience is suboptimal, that includes the desktop itself and apps13:33
kenvandinenot touch screen13:33
kenvandinetouchpad13:33
hellsworthit seems to only affect one person but not sure if ubuntu-specific13:33
seb128oh13:33
seb128kenvandine, thanks13:33
seb128I didn't even know that 2 fingers scrolling to left of right was a thing on a touchpad :p13:34
hellsworthwell it was filed with the touchpad13:34
hellsworthoh right that's what ken said13:34
seb128right, I parsed that wrongly13:34
mertgorToday is my first day so i'll keep listening only13:34
seb128mertgor, welcome and not problem!13:34
seb128k, anyway it's a one report and there is other way to scroll13:35
seb128I vote -1 for nomination13:35
kenvandineagreed13:35
oSoMoNyup13:35
Laneylol13:35
LaneyI don't like the second half of that13:35
Laneythe other ways to scroll are way worse if touchpad is broken13:35
Laneyif we applied that elsewhere it would S U C K13:36
oSoMoNhellsworth, I'd ask the reporter if they can reproduce with an upstream build, to triage the bug properly13:36
hellsworthok good idea oSoMoN thanks13:36
seb128Laney, second half of what?13:37
* seb128 lost context13:37
Laneyyour reason for declining the nomination13:37
seb128sorry, I'm not a touchpad user, ignore my opinion13:37
Laneyok13:37
Laneyyes you can go click the little arrow or use the scroll bar13:38
seb128or the keyboard13:38
seb128arrows13:38
Laneybut if it's true that touchpad scrolling is broken that would be quite major13:38
kenvandineshould be easy to try to reproduce13:38
kenvandinejust need a laptop13:38
Laneyso I would disagree strongly with "there are other ways" being a good rationale13:38
seb128k, let's start fresh then13:38
Laneynot saying if it is true or not in this case13:38
seb128do we believe it's specific to libreoffice or a touchpad problem?13:38
hellsworthunknown13:39
kenvandinethe reporter said other apps behave as expected13:39
seb128also I'm not on bionic to test atm13:39
kenvandineincluding libreoffice writer13:39
kenvandinejust calc and draw had problems13:39
hellsworthhow bout i go off and investigate it a bit then13:40
seb128I feel like we are wasting time bikesheeding there13:40
Laney:/13:40
seb128if touchpad support was broken in bionic we would know by now13:40
oSoMoNI think it needs further triaging before we can determine whether it's rls material13:40
seb128or if that was an issue lot users cared about13:40
Laneymisunderstanding my point13:40
Laneywhatever13:40
Laneycarry on13:40
hellsworthok then can we leave the tag and revisit next week? or later in the week?13:40
seb128well, my rational is that if we didn't hear from it in 2 years then it's probably not a rls issue13:40
marcustomlinsonhellsworth: figure out if this is upstream or not first13:40
kenvandinetwo figure scroll is working on focal13:41
kenvandinein calc, i just verified13:41
hellsworthok thanks. i'll go see if it's in upstream on a bionic vm13:41
seb128k, so let me do my vote again, hopefully we don't do any other bikeshedding on the rational (or maybe I should just note give a rational and a -1 if that helps?)13:41
seb128-1, if touchpad support was broken in bionic we would know by now13:42
Laneystop calling it bikeshedding13:42
Laneythat is rude13:42
seb128shrug13:42
seb128langs now13:42
seb128I think I stop there and let someone else handle that meeting13:42
seb128#endmeeting13:42
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seb128kenvandine, please take over13:42
seb128:)13:43
kenvandine#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-08-0413:43
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kenvandine#topic rls-bb-bug13:44
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kenvandinei don't think there are other bb bugs13:45
hellsworththere was one more bb-incoming on LO though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/188946013:45
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1889460 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Missing font after $LANG change" [Undecided,New]13:45
hellsworthlooks like the user noticed missing ubuntu languages when setting $LANG13:45
kenvandineoh, missed that13:46
hellsworthmissing fonts, not languages13:46
hellsworthi think it's a small enough problem that i would vote -1 but would love to hear others thoughs13:47
kenvandinei'd be interested in knowing if it only affects libreoffice13:48
hellsworthok what is another app that uses the ubuntu thin font?13:48
kenvandinelike  fc-list13:48
kenvandinedoes the result change for the different LANG13:49
hellsworthok i can check that on bionic too13:49
kenvandineprobably -1 though13:49
kenvandinealthough, fonts are important in a word processor :)13:50
hellsworthwould it be -1 from you even if it is missing from fc-list?13:50
kenvandineif it's missing in fc-list then it isn't a libreoffice bug13:50
hellsworthwell that's true13:51
kenvandinethe reporter says it was reproduced on kubuntu 20.04.1 livecd13:51
kenvandineso not just bionic13:51
hellsworthright13:51
hellsworthbut i only tagged it as bionic because seemed like enough to get a conversation going about it13:52
kenvandinei can't repro it on 20.04 though13:52
kenvandine-1 and maybe investigate more13:52
hellsworthok sounds good13:53
kenvandine#topic rls-ff-bug13:53
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hellsworth-1 is fine with me but i'll take a look at a bionic vm with fc-list13:53
oSoMoNthat sounds reasonable, -1 and further triaging13:53
marcustomlinsonshould bugs be confirmed/triaged before being tagged incoming13:53
seb128you can also check in gnome-font-viewer if it's listed13:53
oSoMoNthat would help making a decision in the meeting13:53
kenvandineit could help13:53
kenvandinebut that can be hard if you don't have the release or hardware handy13:53
hellsworthok sorry guys. then i will triage before tagging in the future.13:53
oSoMoNthat's not a strict requirement, just makes things easier13:54
hellsworththanks seb i'll check gnome-font-viewer too13:54
kenvandineoh, bb-tracking looked fine13:55
kenvandinemore LO bugs on ff-incoming13:55
kenvandinebug 188818613:55
ubot5bug 1888186 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice Writer unusably slow" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188818613:55
hellsworthright sorry i was going through new bugs yesterday..13:56
hellsworthso this one seems bad but no one else seems to have the problem13:56
kenvandineyeah, this would have been reported by others13:57
oSoMoNI think that one needs working with the reporter to try and understand what causes this problem, but -1 because it obviously doesn't affect everyone13:57
hellsworthok13:57
seb128-1 from me13:57
hellsworth-1 then and i'll work with the reporter13:57
kenvandineagreed13:57
kenvandinebug 188905113:57
ubot5bug 1889051 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Unreachable options" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188905113:58
hellsworthdoes that sound like it would be related to the wayland usage?13:58
oSoMoNthat looks like an upstream bug13:58
oSoMoNthe dialog window is just too tall13:58
seb128not likely wayland, probably just a small vertical resolution13:59
seb128like 720 pixels13:59
kenvandineit would be useful to know the resolution13:59
kenvandinei'd say send that one upstream13:59
kenvandinebut maybe ask for their screen resolution first13:59
kenvandineso you have all the info13:59
hellsworthdone and thanks14:00
kenvandinehellsworth: can you handle updating the tags on all those bugs?14:00
hellsworthyes14:00
kenvandinethanks14:00
kenvandineff-tracking looks under control14:01
hellsworthi think that's all of the LO bugs i added yesterday14:02
kenvandine#topic rls-gg-bug14:02
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kenvandinewe have two bugs under incoming but they look like they've been triaged and assigned14:03
seb128right14:03
seb128jibel, could you check if the kernel on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1875199 fixes the issue for you?14:03
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1875199 in linux (Ubuntu) "[NUC8CCHK][HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH, playback] No sound at all" [Undecided,Incomplete]14:04
kenvandineshould we drop incoming from those?14:04
jibelseb128, it doesn't14:04
seb128jibel, can you comment on the bug saying so?14:04
seb128so Hui might have another look14:05
jibelyes14:05
seb128thx14:05
jibelI tried 5.8 too and still no sound14:05
kenvandineseb128: should we drop incoming from those?  or are we leaving them tagged so we discuss every week?14:06
seb128kenvandine, yes, the gdm one probably should be targetted, the pulseaudio one we dicussed in the past and didn't have an agreement, I'm not going to comment either way today14:06
kenvandineok14:06
seb128it does sound like a kernel issue to me though14:06
seb128or hardware specific14:06
kenvandineyeah14:06
jibelnot sure it's kernel if you kill pulseaudio and uses alsa directly then there is sound, but this meeting is not the right place to discuss these details14:07
kenvandinegg-tracking looks like things being handled14:08
kenvandine#topic aob14:08
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kenvandineoh, i skipped something14:08
kenvandinetransitions?14:09
oSoMoNthat's a long list :/14:09
seb128lot of blocked on icu transition14:10
seb128and some libreoffice retries14:10
hellsworthlibreoffice is holding some things up too. asked for some reruns of tests (thanks kenvandine )14:10
seb128I think the only thing that needs looked at is dee/riscv14:10
kenvandineok, lets move along to AOB14:10
kenvandineanything?14:12
kenvandinegoing once14:12
seb128(not from me)14:12
kenvandinegoing twice14:12
* kenvandine drops the mic14:12
kenvandine#endmeeting14:12
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Aug  4 14:12:49 2020 UTC.  14:12
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kenvandinethanks everyone14:12
seb128thanks kenvandine14:12
marcustomlinsonthanks14:12
oSoMoNthanks14:13
hellsworththanks. sorry for hijacking the meeting with lo bugs14:13
seb128and sorry every for loosing my temper earlier, it has not been the best day :-/14:13
seb128ups, ctrl-W in IRC doesn't do what it does in an editor :p14:13
mertgorseb128: do you have connection issues ? 14:14
seb128I was saying that lack of sleep + constent noise + headache got me14:14
seb128mertgor, no, just wanted to delete a word and pressed ctrl-W which closed the tab14:14
seb128wrong muscle memory14:14
hellsworthseb128: it happens and i hope you feel better soon.. headaches are the worst :)14:14
marcustomlinsonseb128: I know the feeling14:14
seb128hellsworth, thanks!14:14
mertgorseb128: Understood, Thanks, i learned muscle memory from my si-fu Wing Chun dojo , anyways back to topic :)14:15
mertgorseb128: i hope that you'll be better, sometimes i feel like you and make the same Ctrl-W14:16
seb128lol, thanks14:16
Laneyseb128: apologies then, should have recognised and backed off, I wanted to challenge on the policy but it was not a good time14:20
mertgorseb128: so i'll follow kernel, hardenining teams for contributing to the Ubuntu Desktop, then server-side juju, maas and server channel, i learned that today, that approach, i need to understand how Ubuntu works, Thanks for your help14:21
Laneymertgor: not all teams are using IRC for meetings, some are on discourse14:22
Laneyjust FYI14:22
seb128Laney, thanks, and sorry for using an offensive wording I didn't intend to be insulting14:22
Laneye.g. https://forum.snapcraft.io/14:23
mertgorLaney: Thanks, i'm following discourse, day by day14:30
seb128Laney, 'removing libace-6.5.8/6.5.8+dfsg-2/amd64 from testing makes ivtools-bin/2.0.2a1-1/amd64 uninstallable ' 15:39
seb128Laney, the 'from testing' could probably be tweaked for Ubuntu, want that as a proper bug report?15:39
seb128or I guess I could try to do a mp tomorrow15:39
Laneyfeel free, it should say 'the target', that's what they are converging on upstream15:51
Laneyin some places it's a bit hardcoded still15:54
Laneylooks like it can read it from the release file, but we don't have that available there15:59
Laneycheck pkglists in britney1, it might be possible to fix that to output in a different way which makes Release available15:59
Laneythen _update_suite_name() could work16:00

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