[03:30] <callmepk> good morning
[03:31] <jamesh> morning callmepk 
[03:32] <callmepk> morning jamesh 
[03:55] <duflu> Morning callmepk and jamesh 
[03:55] <callmepk> morning duflu 
[06:50] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:04] <jibel> morning all
[07:07] <marcustomlinson> hi
[07:11] <duflu> Hi jibel and marcustomlinson, and seb128 again
[07:49] <seb128> hey jibel, marcustomlinson, duflu
[08:01] <Laney> \o\o\o\/o/o/o/
[08:25] <luna_> heya
[08:38] <seb128> tseliot, hey, could you check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-340/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 ? half of the reports are files conflict as bug #1887230
[08:38] <seb128> that's probably something that needs addressing
[08:40] <tseliot> seb128: I can have a look later
[08:40] <seb128> tseliot, thanks
[10:18] <mertgor> Hi People! 
[11:41] <ricotz> heya
[11:43] <ricotz> looks like vala is blocked in groovy-proposed, seems automake-1.16 is at fault here
[11:53] <Laney> FAIL: t/vala-mix2.sh
[11:53] <Laney> sounds like a ricotz thing to me!
[11:55] <mertgor> I think that there are many topics on discourse, but where to start ?
[11:57] <ricotz> Laney, ooh
[12:07] <seb128> mertgor, hey, what do you want to start?
[12:11] <mertgor> seb128, i started with my friend to the GNOME Challange activity, so Ubuntu comes with GNOME, i can examine GNOME on Ubuntu, does it works for you ?
[12:11] <mertgor> seb128: i'm interested in GNOME extensions
[12:12] <seb128> mertgor, yes, what are you trying to do? work on fixing some bugs or doing code improvements?
[12:13] <mertgor> seb128: i told to my friend, that some extensions do not support new GNOME versions, so i can fork if it is possible and make it up to date fro the new GNOME versions
[12:14] <mertgor> seb128: fixing bugs, and improvement also in other words 
[12:14] <seb128> mertgor, is that part of https://www.gnome.org/challenge/ ? if so it looks like submitions are closed by now?
[12:14] <mertgor> seb128: i'm not the team leader but i'm there 
[12:14] <seb128> k
[12:15] <mertgor> seb128: There is an Open Source Community in Turkey, and a Slack instance and a GNOME Challange GitHub organization, that works together afaik
[12:15] <mertgor> *Slack instance is for GNOME activity
[12:16] <mertgor> but this is offtopic and not directly related with Ubuntu 
[12:16] <seb128> right
[12:16] <mertgor> I think that Ubuntu fixes and changes some parts of GNOME such as dock 
[12:18] <mertgor> I can run 18.04 on a vm Qemu, so i can test this release, when i have enough network connection limit the new release
[12:30] <jibel> Laney, re kubuntu bug I mentioned yesterday, the fix is actually trivial https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZZVS4yD5df/
[12:30] <jibel> I'll push directly to master if you're ok
[12:39] <seb128> Laney, ricotz, it doesn't seem a vala update regression though, https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/a/automake-1.16/groovy/amd64  it had similar failure with 0.48.7
[12:40] <ricotz> seb128, yeah, this looks to be caused by a stricter gcc 10?
[12:41] <seb128> the log isn't verbose on the details of the failure so difficult to say
[12:41] <seb128> but yeah, the first failure was with gcc 10 when the previous successful one was gcc 9
[12:42] <seb128> ricotz, http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/automake.git/commit/?id=74b9f0bb?
[12:43]  * seb128 cherry pick that one
[12:43] <ricotz> haha exactly
[12:54] <mertgor> seb128: I assume that Ubuntu has an integration across different teams, for example #ubuntu-hardened is one of the teams that i have been following since 2016. But I just wanted to learn how you work for the Ubuntu. So i can pass my security issues to #ubuntu-hardened quickly
[13:04] <seb128> mertgor, the IRC channel are open, anyone can write there
[13:06] <mertgor> seb128: yes Thanks 
[13:30] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-08-04
[13:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug  4 13:30:38 2020 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:30] <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks (out), duflu (out), heather, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney , marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[13:31] <oSoMoN> o/
[13:31] <kenvandine> o/
[13:31] <hellsworth> o/
[13:31] <marcustomlinson> \o
[13:31] <jibel> \o
[13:31] <Trevinho> o//
[13:31] <seb128> quite a reactive audiance today :-)
[13:31] <seb128> let's get started then!
[13:31] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bug
[13:31] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:32] <seb128> some libreoffice ones on the list today
[13:32] <seb128> bug #1888504
[13:32] <hellsworth> right so looks like a real problem.. haven't reproduced. do yall think it's work a deeper look?
[13:33] <oSoMoN> is this an upstream bug, or ubuntu-specific?
[13:33] <seb128> while better touch support would be desirable I don't think that would quality as a rls issue
[13:33] <seb128> we know the touch screen experience is suboptimal, that includes the desktop itself and apps
[13:33] <kenvandine> not touch screen
[13:33] <kenvandine> touchpad
[13:33] <hellsworth> it seems to only affect one person but not sure if ubuntu-specific
[13:33] <seb128> oh
[13:33] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[13:34] <seb128> I didn't even know that 2 fingers scrolling to left of right was a thing on a touchpad :p
[13:34] <hellsworth> well it was filed with the touchpad
[13:34] <hellsworth> oh right that's what ken said
[13:34] <seb128> right, I parsed that wrongly
[13:34] <mertgor> Today is my first day so i'll keep listening only
[13:34] <seb128> mertgor, welcome and not problem!
[13:35] <seb128> k, anyway it's a one report and there is other way to scroll
[13:35] <seb128> I vote -1 for nomination
[13:35] <kenvandine> agreed
[13:35] <oSoMoN> yup
[13:35] <Laney> lol
[13:35] <Laney> I don't like the second half of that
[13:35] <Laney> the other ways to scroll are way worse if touchpad is broken
[13:36] <Laney> if we applied that elsewhere it would S U C K
[13:36] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, I'd ask the reporter if they can reproduce with an upstream build, to triage the bug properly
[13:36] <hellsworth> ok good idea oSoMoN thanks
[13:37] <seb128> Laney, second half of what?
[13:37]  * seb128 lost context
[13:37] <Laney> your reason for declining the nomination
[13:37] <seb128> sorry, I'm not a touchpad user, ignore my opinion
[13:37] <Laney> ok
[13:38] <Laney> yes you can go click the little arrow or use the scroll bar
[13:38] <seb128> or the keyboard
[13:38] <seb128> arrows
[13:38] <Laney> but if it's true that touchpad scrolling is broken that would be quite major
[13:38] <kenvandine> should be easy to try to reproduce
[13:38] <kenvandine> just need a laptop
[13:38] <Laney> so I would disagree strongly with "there are other ways" being a good rationale
[13:38] <seb128> k, let's start fresh then
[13:38] <Laney> not saying if it is true or not in this case
[13:38] <seb128> do we believe it's specific to libreoffice or a touchpad problem?
[13:39] <hellsworth> unknown
[13:39] <kenvandine> the reporter said other apps behave as expected
[13:39] <seb128> also I'm not on bionic to test atm
[13:39] <kenvandine> including libreoffice writer
[13:39] <kenvandine> just calc and draw had problems
[13:40] <hellsworth> how bout i go off and investigate it a bit then
[13:40] <seb128> I feel like we are wasting time bikesheeding there
[13:40] <Laney> :/
[13:40] <seb128> if touchpad support was broken in bionic we would know by now
[13:40] <oSoMoN> I think it needs further triaging before we can determine whether it's rls material
[13:40] <seb128> or if that was an issue lot users cared about
[13:40] <Laney> misunderstanding my point
[13:40] <Laney> whatever
[13:40] <Laney> carry on
[13:40] <hellsworth> ok then can we leave the tag and revisit next week? or later in the week?
[13:40] <seb128> well, my rational is that if we didn't hear from it in 2 years then it's probably not a rls issue
[13:40] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: figure out if this is upstream or not first
[13:41] <kenvandine> two figure scroll is working on focal
[13:41] <kenvandine> in calc, i just verified
[13:41] <hellsworth> ok thanks. i'll go see if it's in upstream on a bionic vm
[13:41] <seb128> k, so let me do my vote again, hopefully we don't do any other bikeshedding on the rational (or maybe I should just note give a rational and a -1 if that helps?)
[13:42] <seb128> -1, if touchpad support was broken in bionic we would know by now
[13:42] <Laney> stop calling it bikeshedding
[13:42] <Laney> that is rude
[13:42] <seb128> shrug
[13:42] <seb128> langs now
[13:42] <seb128> I think I stop there and let someone else handle that meeting
[13:42] <seb128> #endmeeting
[13:42] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug  4 13:42:50 2020 UTC.  
[13:42] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-08-04-13.30.moin.txt
[13:42] <seb128> kenvandine, please take over
[13:43] <seb128> :)
[13:43] <kenvandine> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-08-04
[13:44] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug  4 13:43:59 2020 UTC.  The chair is kenvandine. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:44] <kenvandine> #topic rls-bb-bug
[13:45] <kenvandine> i don't think there are other bb bugs
[13:45] <hellsworth> there was one more bb-incoming on LO though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1889460
[13:45] <hellsworth> looks like the user noticed missing ubuntu languages when setting $LANG
[13:46] <kenvandine> oh, missed that
[13:46] <hellsworth> missing fonts, not languages
[13:47] <hellsworth> i think it's a small enough problem that i would vote -1 but would love to hear others thoughs
[13:48] <kenvandine> i'd be interested in knowing if it only affects libreoffice
[13:48] <hellsworth> ok what is another app that uses the ubuntu thin font?
[13:48] <kenvandine> like  fc-list
[13:49] <kenvandine> does the result change for the different LANG
[13:49] <hellsworth> ok i can check that on bionic too
[13:49] <kenvandine> probably -1 though
[13:50] <kenvandine> although, fonts are important in a word processor :)
[13:50] <hellsworth> would it be -1 from you even if it is missing from fc-list?
[13:50] <kenvandine> if it's missing in fc-list then it isn't a libreoffice bug
[13:51] <hellsworth> well that's true
[13:51] <kenvandine> the reporter says it was reproduced on kubuntu 20.04.1 livecd
[13:51] <kenvandine> so not just bionic
[13:51] <hellsworth> right
[13:52] <hellsworth> but i only tagged it as bionic because seemed like enough to get a conversation going about it
[13:52] <kenvandine> i can't repro it on 20.04 though
[13:52] <kenvandine> -1 and maybe investigate more
[13:53] <hellsworth> ok sounds good
[13:53] <kenvandine> #topic rls-ff-bug
[13:53] <hellsworth> -1 is fine with me but i'll take a look at a bionic vm with fc-list
[13:53] <oSoMoN> that sounds reasonable, -1 and further triaging
[13:53] <marcustomlinson> should bugs be confirmed/triaged before being tagged incoming
[13:53] <seb128> you can also check in gnome-font-viewer if it's listed
[13:53] <oSoMoN> that would help making a decision in the meeting
[13:53] <kenvandine> it could help
[13:53] <kenvandine> but that can be hard if you don't have the release or hardware handy
[13:53] <hellsworth> ok sorry guys. then i will triage before tagging in the future.
[13:54] <oSoMoN> that's not a strict requirement, just makes things easier
[13:54] <hellsworth> thanks seb i'll check gnome-font-viewer too
[13:55] <kenvandine> oh, bb-tracking looked fine
[13:55] <kenvandine> more LO bugs on ff-incoming
[13:55] <kenvandine> bug 1888186
[13:56] <hellsworth> right sorry i was going through new bugs yesterday..
[13:56] <hellsworth> so this one seems bad but no one else seems to have the problem
[13:57] <kenvandine> yeah, this would have been reported by others
[13:57] <oSoMoN> I think that one needs working with the reporter to try and understand what causes this problem, but -1 because it obviously doesn't affect everyone
[13:57] <hellsworth> ok
[13:57] <seb128> -1 from me
[13:57] <hellsworth> -1 then and i'll work with the reporter
[13:57] <kenvandine> agreed
[13:57] <kenvandine> bug 1889051
[13:58] <hellsworth> does that sound like it would be related to the wayland usage?
[13:58] <oSoMoN> that looks like an upstream bug
[13:58] <oSoMoN> the dialog window is just too tall
[13:59] <seb128> not likely wayland, probably just a small vertical resolution
[13:59] <seb128> like 720 pixels
[13:59] <kenvandine> it would be useful to know the resolution
[13:59] <kenvandine> i'd say send that one upstream
[13:59] <kenvandine> but maybe ask for their screen resolution first
[13:59] <kenvandine> so you have all the info
[14:00] <hellsworth> done and thanks
[14:00] <kenvandine> hellsworth: can you handle updating the tags on all those bugs?
[14:00] <hellsworth> yes
[14:00] <kenvandine> thanks
[14:01] <kenvandine> ff-tracking looks under control
[14:02] <hellsworth> i think that's all of the LO bugs i added yesterday
[14:02] <kenvandine> #topic rls-gg-bug
[14:03] <kenvandine> we have two bugs under incoming but they look like they've been triaged and assigned
[14:03] <seb128> right
[14:03] <seb128> jibel, could you check if the kernel on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1875199 fixes the issue for you?
[14:04] <kenvandine> should we drop incoming from those?
[14:04] <jibel> seb128, it doesn't
[14:04] <seb128> jibel, can you comment on the bug saying so?
[14:05] <seb128> so Hui might have another look
[14:05] <jibel> yes
[14:05] <seb128> thx
[14:05] <jibel> I tried 5.8 too and still no sound
[14:06] <kenvandine> seb128: should we drop incoming from those?  or are we leaving them tagged so we discuss every week?
[14:06] <seb128> kenvandine, yes, the gdm one probably should be targetted, the pulseaudio one we dicussed in the past and didn't have an agreement, I'm not going to comment either way today
[14:06] <kenvandine> ok
[14:06] <seb128> it does sound like a kernel issue to me though
[14:06] <seb128> or hardware specific
[14:06] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:07] <jibel> not sure it's kernel if you kill pulseaudio and uses alsa directly then there is sound, but this meeting is not the right place to discuss these details
[14:08] <kenvandine> gg-tracking looks like things being handled
[14:08] <kenvandine> #topic aob
[14:08] <kenvandine> oh, i skipped something
[14:09] <kenvandine> transitions?
[14:09] <oSoMoN> that's a long list :/
[14:10] <seb128> lot of blocked on icu transition
[14:10] <seb128> and some libreoffice retries
[14:10] <hellsworth> libreoffice is holding some things up too. asked for some reruns of tests (thanks kenvandine )
[14:10] <seb128> I think the only thing that needs looked at is dee/riscv
[14:10] <kenvandine> ok, lets move along to AOB
[14:12] <kenvandine> anything?
[14:12] <kenvandine> going once
[14:12] <seb128> (not from me)
[14:12] <kenvandine> going twice
[14:12]  * kenvandine drops the mic
[14:12] <kenvandine> #endmeeting
[14:12] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug  4 14:12:49 2020 UTC.  
[14:12] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-08-04-13.43.moin.txt
[14:12] <kenvandine> thanks everyone
[14:12] <seb128> thanks kenvandine
[14:12] <marcustomlinson> thanks
[14:13] <oSoMoN> thanks
[14:13] <hellsworth> thanks. sorry for hijacking the meeting with lo bugs
[14:13] <seb128> and sorry every for loosing my temper earlier, it has not been the best day :-/
[14:13] <seb128> ups, ctrl-W in IRC doesn't do what it does in an editor :p
[14:14] <mertgor> seb128: do you have connection issues ? 
[14:14] <seb128> I was saying that lack of sleep + constent noise + headache got me
[14:14] <seb128> mertgor, no, just wanted to delete a word and pressed ctrl-W which closed the tab
[14:14] <seb128> wrong muscle memory
[14:14] <hellsworth> seb128: it happens and i hope you feel better soon.. headaches are the worst :)
[14:14] <marcustomlinson> seb128: I know the feeling
[14:14] <seb128> hellsworth, thanks!
[14:15] <mertgor> seb128: Understood, Thanks, i learned muscle memory from my si-fu Wing Chun dojo , anyways back to topic :)
[14:16] <mertgor> seb128: i hope that you'll be better, sometimes i feel like you and make the same Ctrl-W
[14:16] <seb128> lol, thanks
[14:20] <Laney> seb128: apologies then, should have recognised and backed off, I wanted to challenge on the policy but it was not a good time
[14:21] <mertgor> seb128: so i'll follow kernel, hardenining teams for contributing to the Ubuntu Desktop, then server-side juju, maas and server channel, i learned that today, that approach, i need to understand how Ubuntu works, Thanks for your help
[14:22] <Laney> mertgor: not all teams are using IRC for meetings, some are on discourse
[14:22] <Laney> just FYI
[14:22] <seb128> Laney, thanks, and sorry for using an offensive wording I didn't intend to be insulting
[14:23] <Laney> e.g. https://forum.snapcraft.io/
[14:30] <mertgor> Laney: Thanks, i'm following discourse, day by day
[15:39] <seb128> Laney, 'removing libace-6.5.8/6.5.8+dfsg-2/amd64 from testing makes ivtools-bin/2.0.2a1-1/amd64 uninstallable ' 
[15:39] <seb128> Laney, the 'from testing' could probably be tweaked for Ubuntu, want that as a proper bug report?
[15:39] <seb128> or I guess I could try to do a mp tomorrow
[15:51] <Laney> feel free, it should say 'the target', that's what they are converging on upstream
[15:54] <Laney> in some places it's a bit hardcoded still
[15:59] <Laney> looks like it can read it from the release file, but we don't have that available there
[15:59] <Laney> check pkglists in britney1, it might be possible to fix that to output in a different way which makes Release available
[16:00] <Laney> then _update_suite_name() could work