[06:30] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:45] <jibel> morning all
[06:51] <luna_> morning
[06:52] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN, jibel and luna_ 
[07:30] <oSoMoN> morning jibel, luna_, duflu 
[07:30] <luna_> morning 
[07:30] <luna_> oSoMoN: you get a Firefox 80 Beta 4 to package later today :p
[07:38] <oSoMoN> luna_, already building in https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next/+packages
[07:38] <luna_> oSoMoN: nice :)
[08:03] <Laney> hoin
[08:13] <oSoMoN> hey Laney 
[08:22] <duflu> Morning Laney
[08:30] <Laney> hey oSoMoN & duflu!
[08:46] <seb128> goood morning desktoper, our internet was down earlier but seems to be back now :-)
[08:47] <duflu> Morning seb128 
[08:58] <Laney> hey seb128 
[09:16] <oSoMoN> hey seb128 
[09:17] <Laney> where would we be without VMs eh
[09:18] <duflu> 1999, partying with the purple prince
[09:18] <duflu> Or, elsewhere
[09:19]  * Laney squeaks
[09:19] <Laney> my mind is too rude to read that
[09:19] <duflu> OK then
[09:19] <duflu> 1999, partying with Prince
[09:21] <duflu> Oops. Actually VMware was founded in 1998
[09:22] <Laney> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine#History
[09:23] <Laney> Guess we're on pretty solid ground
[09:23] <duflu> I should know better. Used to work with old school System/360 people
[09:27] <duflu> And my Prince reference was wrong too. He's The Purple One
[09:33] <seb128> hey Laney, oSoMoN, duflu, how are you?
[09:34] <duflu> seb128, going well. You?
[09:35] <seb128> duflu, I'm alright, would be nice if days were a bit less busy but that's not for now...
[09:35]  * duflu nods as he thinks about starting dinner
[09:36] <oSoMoN> I trained intensely for the past two days so my body aches, but I feel fine, and energized
[09:52] <Laney> yeah I'm alright
[09:53] <Laney> it was windy in the night and it kept blowing the door making it bang, sleep was a bit interrupted until 2.30 when I finally got up and closed it properly /o\
[12:13] <mertgor> Hi People!
[12:16] <luna_> hi
[12:16] <oSoMoN> hi mertgor 
[12:34] <mertgor> Thanks luna_ oSoMoN, did you read my post on Contribute discussion section ?
[12:34] <mertgor> i'm not into political discussions, i don't like, but i tried to give more details about my plans
[12:45] <oSoMoN> mertgor, do you have a link to that post
[12:45] <oSoMoN> ?
[12:46] <mertgor> Sure, but note that i will not discuss the topic, just want to start contributing somehow
[12:47] <mertgor> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/contribute/26/13
[15:06] <hellsworth> morning folks
[15:27] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth 
[15:31] <seb128> hey hellsworth, how are you?
[15:54] <hellsworth> hi oSoMoN and seb128 ! i'm ok. a bit tired from having the kiddo home mon and tues
[15:55] <hellsworth> coffee and computer is lovely this morning :)
[15:55] <oSoMoN> I bet!
[15:55] <seb128> she's back to the day care today?
[15:55] <seb128> and yeah, having a kid home is exhausting :-/
[16:02] <hellsworth> yes she went back this morning 
[16:03] <hellsworth> we had lots of fun but still it's nice to be at my computer with some quiet :)
[16:28] <Laney> moin hellsworth 
[16:37] <seb128> right, I know exactly the feeling :-)
[17:00] <hellsworth> HI LANEY!!!
[17:01] <Laney> GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETINGS
[17:01] <Laney> (and gone)
[17:04] <hellsworth> o/
[18:38] <linuxr> hi, can please someone help me with libreoffice? It's become unusably slow since the upgrade to 20.04..thanks
[18:41] <hellsworth> I can try to help you linuxr. Are all of the libreoffice apps really slow for you or is it one in particular?
[18:42] <linuxr> hellsworth, seems to be both calc and writer...even switching the window to another app and back to calc/writer takes 3 sec
[18:43] <linuxr> moving the cursor to another cell in calc..1 sec...it's really annoying
[18:43] <linuxr> and worked flawlessly on 18.04 (same machine)
[18:43] <hellsworth> ok. is this the snap or the deb?
[18:43] <hellsworth> does `snap list` show libreoffice in the list?
[18:44] <linuxr> "snap list" does not show libreoffice no
[18:45] <hellsworth> ok what version do you have from dpkg -l | grep libreoffice ?
[18:46] <linuxr> 1:6.4.4-0ubuntu0.20.04.1
[18:46] <hellsworth> thank you
[18:47] <linuxr> all the latest updates on 20.04 are installed
[18:48] <linuxr> if I only knew what libreoffice is chewing on..I just notice cpu usage spikes at every operation
[18:49] <hellsworth> thanks for the report. there is a recently filed issue that sounds similar to yours too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1888186 
[18:49] <seb128> linuxr, what desktop environment do you use?
[18:50] <linuxr> hellsworth, for me, calc is also affected
[18:50] <linuxr> seb128, mate-desktop
[18:50] <hellsworth> seb128: the bug was filed about this issue on the gnome desktop too
[18:50] <hellsworth> it is interesting that it happens on mate too though
[18:51] <linuxr> mate is also gnome based I think
[18:55] <hellsworth> linuxr: would you mind adding your situation to the bug? include as much detail as you can like.. does it always happen? as soon as you open calc or does it start to lag after some time? anything else you could think of that would be helpful..
[18:56] <seb128> linuxr, would be worth trying with a new user account on the same machine to see if it has to do with some local setting
[18:57] <linuxr> hellsworth, it's lagging right from the start..even startup seems slower than before
[18:57] <linuxr> seb128, I cleared the libreoffice profile data, mode no difference
[18:58] <seb128> linuxr, could be a session setting, the theme in use, some input method...
[18:58] <seb128> there is still value testing a new user
[18:58] <linuxr> seb128, you're right, I'll just try that now
[18:58] <seb128> it's not impacting lot of users or we would have more reports, so it's likely something specific
[18:58] <seb128> thanks
[19:02] <linuxr> seb128, I created a user, but "libreoffice" just does nothing...do I need to add the user to certain groups?
[19:04] <seb128> no
[19:05] <seb128> that's weird, did you start a session for it? does it hang or just return?
[19:05] <seb128> what about e.g libreoffice --writer?
[19:05] <linuxr> I just tried to run it from a terminal in my other users session
[19:07] <linuxr> --writer the same..just hangs, but no cpu activity or output..strange
[19:12] <linuxr> ahh..apparmor seems to block this
[19:14] <linuxr> or something like that..damn
[19:24] <hellsworth> linuxr: you should be able to just run libreoffice from the terminal of any user and have it come up
[19:26] <linuxr> hellsworth, yeah I managed to do it now..same result :/
[19:26] <hellsworth> interesting
[19:30] <linuxr> actually..its not precisely the same
[19:31] <hellsworth> more interesting... can you try to elaborate?
[19:31] <linuxr> calc is still slow, but at least switching between windows doesn't take any extra time
[19:31] <hellsworth> so you open up a new spreadsheet and immediately see lagging when scrolling?
[19:32] <hellsworth> or are you opening some .ods file?
[19:34] <linuxr> I started with an empty spreadsheet and yes, it's lagging from the start..when moving the selected cell using the keyboard arrows..first the row marker on the side gets updated, then the actual border around the cell
[19:34] <linuxr> annoying
[19:36] <hellsworth> i haven't been able to reproduce yet so can you tell me if there are any suspicious libreoffice logs in /var/log/syslog?
[19:36] <hellsworth> is this on bare metal or a vm?
[19:37] <hellsworth> when did you notice the lagging start? (like when you updated to 20.04?)
[19:47] <linuxr> hellsworth, bare metal, no vm
[19:47] <linuxr> right after the upgrade to 20.04...I did a "release-upgrade", no fresh install
[20:14] <hellsworth> thanks linuxr for your help.. i'll see if i can reproduce it in the same env
[20:15] <linuxr> hellsworth, cool, let me know if I can try anything else
[20:19] <seb128> linuxr, could you report a bug using ubuntu-bug libreoffice and add a 'journalctl -b 0' after triggering the slowness
[20:19] <seb128> also worth checking in top the cpu usage