[00:01] <cybrNaut> the options are shit.  I have a script that does a series of steps to deGoogle an Android phone.  I also don't use it as a phone (no sim chip), and GPS is set to get no help from towers
[00:01] <oerheks> lets keep this channel free for ubuntu support, thanks.
[00:03] <kingiy> ubuntu phone project?
[00:04] <oerheks> that would be the #ubports channel
[00:32] <blackwater> ?
[00:43] <Sven_vB> continuing on how to make my process survive after logout of my lightdm/ openbox session on Ubuntu focal. logind.conf has "#KillUserProcesses=no¶ #KillOnlyUsers=¶ #KillExcludeUsers=root". I started a terminal emulator, "sudo -b setsid nohup sleep 5d; exit" wait until the terminal closes, then via SSH I check "ps u -C sleep" and see it. via SSH I stop lightdm, check ps again, and no sleep.
[01:11] <rr123> why is 20.04 still using a really old luarocks for lua
[01:12] <rr123> some new packages refused to be installed due to old luarocks on 20.04
[01:13] <usr1987> so you can use the snap pkg
[01:13] <rr123> no way, I disabled snapd, actually the first thing I fixed that is
[01:13] <rr123> then the no-audio with intel-audio driver thing, need fix alsa
[01:14] <rr123> just run mount with lines fly by due to various snap mount is enough
[01:16] <rr123> just like the GUI/X-windows efforts I expect canonical returns to apt someday :) , I understand everyone wants to have its own "apps store" still
[01:24] <rr123> and gnone-shell restarts at least once a day, no harm though
[02:00] <xxnode> So I found a M.2 TLC PCIE 4.0 x 4 (NVME) SSD, but I wondered whether I would be able to at least use it in a M.2 PCIE 3.0 x4 Motherboard at the max speed that M.2 PCIE 3.0 x4 provides. Someone told me I need to check if the SSD is "backward compatible" so I did & this is the result: " I guess the downside is that currently the only platform to
[02:00] <xxnode> support this drive is AMD’s X570 chipset. It is however backwards compatible with PCI-Express 3.0 slot, but of course you’ll see decreased performance." source:  https://thinkcomputers.org/aorus-nvme-gen4-ssd-review/8/     My question is , what is meant by "decreased performance", is it that I wont be able to use at  the PCIE 4th Gen speed or
[02:00] <xxnode> do they actually mean that I wont be able to use it at the max PCIE Gen 3 speed that I would get if I were to get a Gen 3 M.2 ? is it that I wont be able to use at  the PCIE 4th Gen speed or do they actually mean that I wont be able to use it at the max PCIE Gen 3 speed that I would get if I were to get a Gen 3 M.2 SSD ?
[02:02] <quadrathoch2> xxnode that's a ##hardware question
[02:02] <xxnode> no answer there
[02:02] <xxnode> I came here
[02:11] <sarnold> xxnode: I expect you would get the pci3.0 speeds
[02:11] <sarnold> xxnode: funny, I've heard the problem from the other directoin way more often, people with pcie 4.0 mobos having trouble finding 4.0 storage :)
[02:12] <xxnode> @sarnold the gen4 ssd is way cheaper
[02:12] <xxnode> so Im getting that one
[02:12] <xxnode> one sec
[02:12] <sarnold> xxnode: wow :D cool
[02:12] <xxnode> https://www.gigabyte.com/Solid-State-Drive/AORUS-NVMe-Gen4-SSD-1TB/sp#sp
[02:12] <xxnode> https://www.samsung.com/uk/memory-storage/970-pro-nvme-m2-ssd-/MZ-V7P1T0BW/
[02:13] <xxnode> big difference in price between these 2 even though
[02:13] <xxnode> the only reason is because its TLX
[02:13] <xxnode> TLC
[02:13] <xxnode> But it still is way faster than the Gen 3 samsung MLC
[02:13] <sarnold> omg samsung so much js ..
[02:14] <sarnold> noscript is frustrating at the best of times and this site is not the best, haha
[02:14] <sarnold> ahhhh they hide the specs under a stupid arrow. I hate those arrows
[02:15] <quadrathoch2> "only" there is a reason why MLC is more expensive
[02:15] <sarnold> so mlc vs tlc..
[02:15] <quadrathoch2> yup
[02:16] <sarnold> and I'm worried this gigabyte can only do 5GB/s when the requests fit within the 1GB cache
[02:16] <quadrathoch2> you would need to compare it to the 970 evo
[02:16] <sarnold> if the workload involves sustained writing, the gigabyte might fall over after ~1s...
[02:17] <quadrathoch2> and just imagine, those first gen pci4 are not even at the limit of the bus :/
[02:17] <sarnold> what's the workload going to look like? if it's usual desktop, then meh, it'll probably be awesome. if it's OLTP-style work, or continuous writing, it might matter a lot...
[02:18] <sarnold> quadrathoch2: hah and pci 5.0 is on the way...
[02:18] <quadrathoch2> idk what to do nowadays with all that bandwith ;)
[02:18] <quadrathoch2> everything gets integrated into the gpu/cpu/mobo
[02:33] <carrera> Greetings
[02:34] <carrera> Does Ubuntu 20.04 come with an alternate install option?
[02:34] <quadrathoch2> alternate as in? carrera
[02:35] <sarnold> carrera: it's not tested, but it's currently still biult as a sideeffect of the build process http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-legacy-server/releases/20.04/release/
[02:36] <carrera> quadrathoch2, I use to use the alternate to install RAID-0
[02:36] <quadrathoch2> theoretically that's server not desktop ;) sarnold
[02:36] <sarnold> carrera: that should be handled by the live installer now, I think
[02:38] <carrera> I have to SSD drives on my ASUS G751 laptop that. Currently I have Ubuntu Mate 18.04 on RAID 0
[02:38] <carrera> *two
[02:39] <carrera> sarnold, so I can configure RAID-0 right from the live installer now?
[02:39] <sarnold> carrera: I believe so, yeah
[02:40] <gsheer> anyone here using xrandr?
[02:40] <sarnold> carrera: when I tested the installer on my machine, I only had one drive on that one.. :/
[02:40] <carrera> sarnold, that's great!  :)
[02:42] <carrera> sarnold, I had to turn UEFI off when I installed 18.04.  For some reason I wasn't able to install software RAID with UEFI
[02:43] <carrera> sarnold, I wonder if I can install 20.04 on RAID0 with UEFI now
[02:43] <gsheer> i have a problem with my ubuntu not detecting my VGA output, I'm currenly using xrandr to manage multiple displays. The problem is that xrandr doesn't detect the VGA monitor
[02:43] <sarnold> carrera: hmmmmmmm. now you've got me a bit afraid that you may have a misconfigured grub, and if you reboot, you may not be able to get back in without rescue media... try running sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc  and make sure everything looks good
[02:44] <sarnold> gsheer: it's been ages since I've done vga but I have vague memories of some monitors needing to be turned on before the video card, or was it the other way around...
[02:44] <carrera> sarnold, I haven't started installing 20.04 yet.  I'm still running 18.04.
[02:45] <sarnold> carrera: if youre doing a fresh install, uefi is probably the better choice
[02:45] <gsheer> sarnold not likely I think, you see, if I use a VGA cable directly to the monitor it works, but in this case I'm using a VGA2HDMI adapter
[02:46] <quadrathoch2> carrera sounds like you would need to create the UEFI partition outside of the raid0
[02:46] <sarnold> gsheer: hmm, some kvm and adapter things have some way to 'buffer' the handshake from the monitor, and some don't..
[02:47] <gsheer> maybe the adapter is broke or something, I just bought it today
[02:47] <carrera> sarnold, that's what I think too.  Currently, with the legacy BIOS. It takes my laptop a long time to boot 18.04 even though it has a Core i7, 16 GB of RAM and 2 x Samsung 850 Pro SSD drives.
[02:47] <sarnold> carrera: bioses are bloody slow no matter what :/
[02:48] <carrera> sarnold, quadrathoch2, right, it spends a while in BIOS before the Ubuntu Splash page appears.
[02:50] <carrera> quadrathoch2, good idea. As I remember UEFI couldn't see my /boot which was on RAID0 too.
[02:50] <quadrathoch2> yeah, UEFI wasn't created with raid in mind :(
[02:50] <carrera> quadrathoch2, this was 2 years ago when 18.04 first came out. So it's been a while.
[02:52] <carrera> quadrathoch2, Oh, Okay.  Is that because UEFI was for MS Windows based PCs?
[02:52] <matsaman> UEFI is a broad conspiracy
[02:52] <matsaman> it's not tied to a single company
[02:52] <quadrathoch2> carrera that I can't tell you, as I have no idea
[02:52] <matsaman> although I believe Apple pulled it off the most first
[02:53] <matsaman> (as plain EFI, sans-U)
[02:53] <carrera> Oh, that's why I see both UEFI and EFI on the Net
[02:53] <matsaman> yeah you don't really see EFI anymore, so it's not a big deal to say either
[02:53] <matsaman> but technically it's UEFI
[02:54] <matsaman> kinda like P/ATA, I guess
[02:54] <quadrathoch2> matsaman apple still uses efi not uefi
[02:55] <carrera> Thanks for your help quadrathoch2, sarnold and matsaman.
[02:55] <carrera> I learned a lot in such a short time.  Should hang around here more often.
[02:55] <matsaman> quadrathoch2: what makes you think that?
[02:56] <quadrathoch2> matsaman as I work with apple devices. and the u part gets only enabled when you activate bootcamp
[02:57] <matsaman> carrera: and I guess they potentially never changed the name of the 'EFI system partition'
[02:57] <matsaman> quadrathoch2: that would mean they use both, and therefore UEFI, but I take your point
[02:57] <carrera> matsaman, who is they?
[02:57] <matsaman> apple
[02:58] <carrera> btw, I though Microsoft started UEFI.  I guess I was wrong.
[02:58] <quadrathoch2> not really, as they only add windows specific things (which seems to suffice for linux also)
[02:58] <quadrathoch2> carrera no, efi was created way before ms had interest in it :)
[02:58] <carrera> Oh, Okay
[02:59] <matsaman> they're all invested in it, though, the big processor/computer/software companies
[02:59] <matsaman> they love control
[03:00] <matsaman> and UEFI can help with that in some situations
[03:00] <carrera> I found this document on installing Ubuntu on RAID0 and UEFI  https://gist.github.com/umpirsky/6ee1f870e759815333c8
[03:00] <carrera> Can someone take a look and tell me if seems alright
[03:01] <sarnold> carrera: UEFI is allowed to write to the EFI partition; that dd on line 53 is doing a simple duplication
[03:01] <sarnold> carrera: and there's no effort made to make sure grub updates update BOTH locations
[03:02] <sarnold> carrera: if you follow that guide and then install the security update we rleased last week, you won't be able to boot again until you fix your boot loader
[03:02] <carrera> Okay
[03:02] <sarnold> carrera: you may enjoy reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/GRUB2SecureBootBypass
[03:03] <carrera> Thanks sarnold. I was going to ask what do you recommend I read.  :)
[03:03] <sarnold> :D
[03:04] <carrera> I will read that when I wake up
[03:04] <quadrathoch2> and afaik, wasn't there now a way to manage 2 efi partitions on 20.04?
[03:04] <quadrathoch2> *afair
[03:05] <carrera> Are you guys on Pacific time btw?
[03:05] <sarnold> quadrathoch2: yeah; dpkg-reconfigure grub-efi-amd64   or grub-pc, depending
[03:06] <quadrathoch2> sarnold ahh great thanks, good to know :)
[03:06] <quadrathoch2> carrera UTC+1 xD
[03:08] <sarnold> carrera: yeah pacific here
[03:08] <carrera> I'm GMT+4:30
[03:09] <carrera> Is UTC time the same as GMT?
[03:09] <nlpqda> Is there a way to make wlan card blind to all nearby broadcasting hotspots? Not just prevent it try to connect to them. Instead to be completely unaware of their existance and no ways to make aware of them.
[03:09] <sarnold> carrera: "mostly" -- the difference between utc and gmt matters only to real time nerds :)
[03:10] <carrera> Okay  :)
[03:10] <quadrathoch2> gmt is a time zone, utc is a time standard ;) carrera
[03:10] <carrera> I thought UTC was a successor to GMT
[03:11] <quadrathoch2> carrera countries agreed upon that that's the coordinated universal time, where all countries should + or - for their own timezone.
[03:12] <quadrathoch2> gmt itself is a tz, utc not
[03:12] <quadrathoch2> it just happens to be the same time
[03:12] <carrera> Thanks quadrathoch2
[03:18] <carrera> sarnold, do you work for Ubuntu?
[03:19] <sarnold> carrera: yeah, I'm on the ubuntu security team
[03:19] <carrera> Cool!  :)
[03:19] <sarnold> yeah :D
[03:20] <carrera> sarnold, are you System Admin or a programmer?
[03:21] <sarnold> carrera: not much of either, honestly. my main skill is finding bugs when reading source..
[03:21] <carrera> Reading source code?
[03:23] <carrera> I only run Ubuntu on my laptop.  Is there a way I can skip BIOS/UEFI altogether to have a faster boot?
[03:24] <matsaman> carrera: you can't skip that part of the boot process, really
[03:24] <matsaman> but
[03:24] <matsaman> you can usually tell your mobo to use "BIOS"
[03:24] <matsaman> and you can skip all UEFI nonsense
[03:24] <matsaman> and you can avoid shutting down and rebooting almost entirely
[03:24] <matsaman> by using suspend/hibernate
[03:24] <carrera> right
[03:25] <matsaman> some systems call it "legacy" emulation, from the boot menu
[03:25] <sarnold> carrera: there's a handful of systems where you can replace the bios and get way faster boots
[03:25] <sarnold> https://coreboot.org/
[03:25] <sarnold> https://libreboot.org/
[03:27] <carrera> Thanks matsaman, sarnold
[03:27] <sarnold> carrera: (these should come with 'void your warranty' stickers :)
[03:29] <carrera> Right now I'm running 18.04 on BIOS and RAID-0.  I was going to install 20.04 on UEFI, thinking it will boot faster.  I guess UEFI will only make it boot slower, right?
[03:29] <carrera> sarnold, thanks for the warning :)
[03:29] <sarnold> I don't know; it probably doesn't change the speed much
[03:30] <quadrathoch2> carrera I guess it really depends on what part boots slower
[03:30] <carrera> quadrathoch2, good point
[03:31] <quadrathoch2> did you ever look in ubuntu what boots slow? or do you assume it's your bios/uefi?
[03:31] <carrera> quadrathoch2, actually, it might by Ubuntu
[03:31] <carrera> quadrathoch2, no, I didn't look into Ubuntu
[03:32] <tatertotz> carrera: there is a #hardware chat room, modifying or replacing a Dell/HP/ASUS/Acer BIOS is NOT ubuntu related in any way shape or form
[03:32] <quadrathoch2> carrera you could still do it with the installed OS, so you know if you want to switch boot method or not
[03:34] <tatertotz> carrera: the settings and or options in your bios is not ubuntu related
[03:34] <quadrathoch2> sarnold so I just checked with the live installer, and as far as I see it (i'm still not 100% sure I understand the partitioner in subiquity) it wouldn't work setting up a raid0 with efi partition
[03:37] <quadrathoch2> sarnold okay I redact everything I said earlier, the partitioner is quite nice, when you understand the whole setup. so it does work with 2 efi partitions and a raid0
[03:37] <sarnold> aha, good good :) I was going to say there's a *LOT* of mentions of raid in the code .. https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2020-3247.html
[03:37] <sarnold> STUPID FIREFOX
[03:38] <sarnold> https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/subiquity/search?p=2&q=raid&unscoped_q=raid
[03:38] <quadrathoch2> sarnold didn't know redhat wrote the installer for canonical ;)
[03:40] <sarnold> quadrathoch2: yeah... a recent firefox update changed how they handle copy-and-paste in the url bar and now I paste the wrong link half the time :( hate hate hate
[03:40] <redcheckers> hi, is there some way of checking to see if the version of ubuntu that was ported to the nintendo switch a bit over a year ago is considered real ubuntu or not -- someone has been trying to convince me that it is not, and i figured someone here might know.
[03:40] <quadrathoch2> oO what did they change?
[03:43] <tatertotz> redcheckers: are you actually in possession of a nintendo with ubuntu on it right now?
[03:43] <sarnold> redcheckers: I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the packages on it might be indeed identical with what we ship, but probably there's a lot different, too
[03:43] <sarnold> redcheckers: it's probably not something I'd consider "real ubuntu" but it might be close enough for most uses..
[03:44] <tatertotz> redcheckers: oh just something you heard about on the internet eh?
[03:45] <redcheckers> tatertotz: yes. i am .
[03:46] <carrera> quadrathoch2, sarnold, Ubuntu 18.04 boots a lot slower on my Asus G751 with 4th Gen Core i7 than my older Toshiba Qosmio with 1st Gen Core i7
[03:48] <carrera> Both laptops have 2 SSDs in RAID-0 config
[03:48] <quadrathoch2> sarnold was too early happy, after updating ubuntu I got a grub shell :/
[03:48] <redcheckers> tatertotz: is there anything specific i would want to check?
[03:49] <redcheckers> sarnold: okay, thanks.
[03:54] <carrera> tatertotz, I am NOT trying to modify or replace my BIOS.  I am just trying to install Ubuntu 20.04 on RAID-0 and UEFI.
[04:57] <oft_gegong> what's a good game that runs on Ubuntu other than Minecraft (with the java version) and World of Warcraft (with wine)?
[05:02] <oft_gegong> my answer: Borderlands 2 is good. It runs natively through Steam. Other than that there aren't many hopeful games to play.
[05:18] <tatertotz> redcheckers: is it booted to ubuntu and connected to the internet right now?
[05:19] <redcheckers> yes.
[05:19] <tatertotz> redcheckers: in terminal>    inxi -Fxxprzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[05:19] <tatertotz> redcheckers: follow on screen instructions to install if not installed and then follow through
[05:20] <redcheckers> what is it?
[05:20] <tatertotz> redcheckers: share url/link here...if you do not get a url/link..say so
[05:20] <tatertotz> redcheckers: details
[05:20] <redcheckers> is that an l?
[05:20] <redcheckers> or a |
[05:20] <tatertotz> |
[05:21] <redcheckers> inxi command not found
[05:21] <tatertotz> redcheckers: it didn't instruct you how to obtain..interesting
[05:21] <redcheckers> tatertotz: what is it?
[05:21] <redcheckers> ah. a full featured information script
[05:21] <redcheckers> should i apt install it
[05:22] <tatertotz> redcheckers: follow on screen instructions to install if not installed and then follow through
[05:22] <tatertotz> redcheckers: sudo apt install inxi
[05:22] <redcheckers> its apt getting as we speak
[05:22] <redcheckers> processing triggers for systemd
[05:23] <redcheckers> tatertotz: termbin.com/pr3f
[05:23] <tatertotz> redcheckers: i think you just typed in inxi
[05:24] <tatertotz> redcheckers: in terminal>    inxi -Fxxprzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[05:24] <redcheckers> no , i tpyed inxi -Fxxprzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[05:24] <redcheckers> ah, is the nc netcat?
[05:24] <redcheckers> i get a lot more text if i type inxi -Fxxprz0 | more
[05:25] <tatertotz> redcheckers: in terminal>    inxi -Fxxprzc0 &> /tmp/nip.pir
[05:26] <tatertotz> redcheckers: confirm once you have completed the step above
[05:26] <redcheckers> tatertotz:  here try termbin.com/egtq
[05:27] <tatertotz> redcheckers: it's 18.04 based
[05:27] <redcheckers> is that good or bad
[05:28] <tatertotz> redcheckers: that's good..until yeare 2023
[05:28] <redcheckers> ok.
[05:28] <tatertotz> redcheckers: you've got some nvidia tegra repos and jetson repos...which is to be expected
[05:29] <tatertotz> redcheckers: who knew..the nintendo switch is built on/off jetson
[05:29] <redcheckers> i knew that the linuxes for it were built on jetson.
[05:31] <tatertotz> redcheckers: in terminal>    apt list --installed|grep nvid|nc termbin.com 9999
[05:32] <redcheckers> tatertotz: termbin.com/7r29
[05:33] <redcheckers> i know the gstreamer works well enough for youtube and some similar sites.
[05:34] <tatertotz> nvidia impress me more and more..they even have a wayland package installed in there
[05:35] <redcheckers> the only major issues i have with it so far is that the keyboard doesnt always pop up on screen when i wanna type, and systemd keeps trying to automount everything i connect
[05:35] <redcheckers> but overall it seems pretty useful.
[05:35] <tatertotz> no nintendo markings anywhere...but that kinda makes sense
[05:36] <tatertotz> nintendo is using standard off the shelf jetson
[05:36] <redcheckers> are they?
[05:36] <redcheckers> i read elsewhere that nintendo is using a mix of jetson, and the android video stack
[05:39] <tatertotz> redcheckers: in terminal>    dmesg|nc termbin.com 9999
[05:40] <redcheckers> tatertotz: termbin.com/zvjq
[05:41] <tatertotz> redcheckers: nintendo probably has their own game OS/operating system they install factory
[06:09] <bolloks> hi guys i wanna make a tar.gz of a folder and store it on another ssd what would my command need to invoke (flags) to store the tar.gz i created(tar.gz)to this location "/run/media/dn/1TBSSD" i will be in "/run/media/dn//run/media/dn/C618A57918A5695F"
[06:09] <bolloks> may i have an example command please
[06:09] <bolloks> and i will change it for my use case
[06:13] <redcheckers> win 4
[06:19] <bollocks> can i just run "tar -czvf file.tar.gz directory | /run/media/dn/1TBSSD", and expect the file to be saved on the other drive
[06:27] <bollocks> can anyone help me with the the creation of tar.gz please can repost if need be
[06:27] <bollocks> just want to check my command
[06:56] <bollocks> sorted fyi
[07:30] <neure> hi
[07:31] <neure> how do I make my system (Ubuntu 20.04) not to boot directly to graphical user interface?
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> neure: install ubuntu server
[07:31] <neure> I already have ubuntu installed, I don't want to reinstall
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> neure: what is your end goal with your system?
[07:32] <neure> I want to use the display for something else than X11 (vulkan without window system)
[07:33] <neure> so I want to manually control when I enter and leave X
[07:33] <neure> long time ago linux did not boot directly to X, instead I had to type something like startx, that is how I would like it to work
[07:34] <neure> I tried `sudo systemctl set-default multi-user` but that gave me only black screen, no text at all :/
[07:35] <neure> oh, apparently it is https://askubuntu.com/questions/1099463/cannot-boot-after-sudo-systemctl-set-default-multi-user-target
[07:36] <npu> neure, disable dgm on startup.
[07:37] <neure> npu, is `sudo systemctl set-default multi-user` the right way to do that?
[07:38] <neure> I'll also remove quiet and splash from GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" in /etc/default/grub ..
[07:38] <neure> I'll test this now..
[07:41] <Mr_x> hi everyone
[07:41] <Mr_x> i need help bout livepatch on ubuntu 20.04
[07:42] <Mr_x> when i check on apt policy .. ppa for livepatch its exist
[07:42] <Mr_x> how to add ppa for livepatch on ubuntu 20.04
[07:43] <neure> still just black screen :(
[07:43] <neure> even with GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
[07:43] <neure> only recovery mode shows text
[07:44] <Mr_x> when i check on apt policy .. ppa for livepatch its Not exist*
[07:47] <neure> how is ubuntu non-gui terminal video mode selected?
[07:48] <neure> console mode
[08:20] <ViperXL75> So I'm sitting here staring at a bunch of files that are sleeping in my folder /mnt/SomeDrive/.Trash-0/.    But there's nothing in my trashcan/recyclebin to empty. I clicked it multiple times but .... the files stay there.  Can i just go ROOT and remove the files myself?
[08:21] <ViperXL75> Or will i shoot myself in the foot and start the end-of-the-world on my Raid array?
[08:21] <ViperXL75> (its not my boot drive)
[08:30] <neure> I solved the mystery with console not showing up
[08:30] <neure> I have both integrated and discrete graphics
[08:31] <neure> if I have igpu enabled in bios, console mode does not work at all, both are black
[08:31] <neure> if I boot to X11 though, both screens work, it is just console mode which is black
[08:32] <neure> if I only enable one of (integrated, discrete) then console works
[08:32] <neure> this is less than ideal
[08:41] <ViperXL75> Guys... I'm sitting here staring at a bunch of files that are sleeping in my folder /mnt/SomeDrive/.Trash-0/.    But there's nothing in my trashcan/recyclebin to empty. I clicked it multiple times but .... the files stay there.  Can i just go ROOT and remove the files myself via CLI? Or will i cause mayhem on my file system?!? Or in Ubuntu?
[08:45] <EriC^^> ViperXL75: yeah feel free to remove them
[08:45] <olegb> ViperXL75: cd /mnt/SomeDrive/ && yes| rm -rf .Trash-0 .... 'nuff said *smile*
[08:59] <ViperXL75> oh the whole folder can be thrown away?!?
[09:00] <ViperXL75> i thought that the folder itself has to be let in peace.
[09:00] <ViperXL75> but ok. That's even better
[09:02] <ViperXL75> deleted.   Thanks.
[09:04] <Xavi92> Hi, I'm building newlib-3.3.0 for --target=arm-none-eabi (Ubuntu 18.04 LTS uses 2.4.0 and must switch to > 3.0.0 due to project requirements) and I see libc_nano.a is missing on the install directory, only libc.a is installed. Taking a look at the build log on https://launchpad.net/~team-gcc-arm-embedded/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/13612999 , line 285647, libc.a is being copied to libc_nano.a, apparently from a shell script I cannot find anywere. Any
[09:04] <Xavi92> pointers?
[09:31] <tarrie> is it possible to chain pipes? `echo xxx | base64 -d | xclip -i` only copies the original echo, not the decoded base64
[10:22] <iron_houzi> I have a network bridge that's automatically created on boot. Where do I find the configuration that specifies the creation of this bridge device?
[10:26] <iron_houzi> I can see that NetworkManager is creating the device, but it's not clear why.
[11:17] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:23] <Xavi92> Hi BluesKaj :)
[11:25] <BluesKaj> hi Xavi92
[12:46] <Jonecir> Hello, this week I changed my internet provider, and since then I keep getting the following message:You connection was interrupted. A network change was detected. ERR_NETWORK_CHANGEDI'm running Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, but not using netplan.
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Jonecir, no netplan? what about network-manager?
[12:47] <jakla> hi
[12:48] <tatertotz> Jonecir: where are you seeing that message? have you looked at the logs before and after this occurs?
[12:48] <Jonecir> BluesKaj: yes no netplan. If I open my network-manager, the connection showing their is disabled, I cannot change anything.
[12:48] <Jonecir> That message appears on Chrome, every time I navigate to a page
[12:49] <jakla> hmm
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Jonecir, netplan needs network-manager, the yaml file points to it
[12:49] <Jonecir> I don't have netplan installed.
[12:50] <tatertotz> Jonecir: does firefox or any other browser show the same msg?
[12:50] <BluesKaj> how so ?
[12:50] <Jonecir> I guess netplan only comes with new ubuntu installations. Mine was upgraded some time ago
[12:50] <BluesKaj> it's default on systemd
[12:51] <Jonecir> tatertotz: I only use chrome
[12:52] <tatertotz> Jonecir: until you try a different browser, it is totally possible that symptom is isolated specifically to your chrome browser and any plugins,extensions you may have
[12:52] <zethius> Is Ubuntu considered unstable?
[12:53] <zethius> After a month or so I have to re-install Ubuntu regardless of how careful I am because it just does not boot.
[12:53] <tatertotz> Jonecir: but you can only know for certain if you actually test a different browser
[12:53] <Jonecir> if I click on "Wired Connected -> Wired Settings", the screen shows "Connected - 1000 Mb/s" and if I click on the config button, everything is disabled.
[12:54] <cybrNaut> zethius: it's not stable for me.  I get random freezes that require a power cycling.
[12:54] <cybrNaut> and i'm running a fresh and simple install
[12:54] <Jonecir> tatertotz, I'm working in home-office, and the system I use only runs ok on Chrome. So I need to use chrome.
[12:55] <zethius> Is there any other alternatives?
[12:55] <zethius> Debian is stable but it just doesn't appeal to me very much in terms of a daily OS
[12:55] <tatertotz> Jonecir: also notice you don't bother to view logs either
[12:55] <ViperXL75> iron_houzi: I can tell you that the latest ubuntu is using some kinda "Netplan". It runs using a YAML file, and from that YAML file it generates a file which ubuntu uses to create interfaces.  (if i undrstand it correctly)
[12:55] <zethius> Like I view logs every day, I clean up temp files every week and everything
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Jonecir, how old is this pc, and which ubuntu release are you running?
[12:56] <Jonecir> tatertotz: I'm not a linux expert. Where I can check the logs?
[12:56] <zethius> Jonecir: cd /var/log
[12:56] <zethius> Then cat all the logs
[12:57] <zethius> Mainly boot.log, syslog, kern.log, auth.log
[12:57] <zethius> dpkg.log when a package messes up
[12:58] <Jonecir> BlueskaJ: I have a NUC PC Intell, running Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS
[12:58] <Jonecir> This error started happening this week as I switched to a new internet provider.
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Jonecir, ok , new enough
[12:59] <BluesKaj> you need netplan if you use network-manager, install netplan
[12:59] <Jonecir> My IP used to be in the form of 192.168.1.xx, and now is 192.168.0.xx. So I think this is the reason
[13:00] <Jonecir> but I don't know how to fix it or where to look
[13:00] <BluesKaj> only if you use a static IP
[13:01] <Jonecir> my /etc/network/interfaces is as follows:auto loiface lo inet loopbackauto eth0allow-hotplug eth0iface eth0 inet dhcp  up ip link set $IFACE up promisc on  down ip link set $IFACE down promisc off
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Jonecir, like I said install netplan
[13:02] <Jonecir> BluesKaj: can you guide me on the netplan installation and configuration?
[13:04] <BluesKaj> Jonecir, open a terminal and do: sudo apt install netplan.io
[13:04] <vasilakisfil> is there a way to have fractional scaling below 100 for a screen in 20.04 ?
[13:06] <Jonecir> BluesKaj: netplan installed
[13:07] <BluesKaj> ok, Jonecir, logout and back in
[13:07] <Jonecir> BluesKaj: should I reboot or just logout and log back in?
[13:08] <BluesKaj> either one should work
[13:16] <Jonecir> BluesKaj: I'm back
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Jonecir, ok restart network manager just to make sure,  sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager.service
[13:23] <Jonecir> BluesKaj: done
[13:25] <BluesKaj> ok Jonecir any errors?
[13:27] <Jonecir> BluesKaj: Yes, same problem - A network change was detected.
[13:30] <BluesKaj> ok, open /etc/netplan, open the yaml file and make sure renderer is NetworkManager
[13:31] <Jonecir> Blueskaj: my /etc/netplan is empty!
[13:37] <BluesKaj> Jonecir, open nautilus or whatever file manager you use, and create this file: 01-network-manager-all.yaml, then copy paste these lines into the file https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F78TZbctsB/
[13:40] <JimBuntu> Jonecir: some quick questions simply to get more info... you changed ISPs... I presume that means you also got a new modem or such... if the modem/such came with wifi... did you configure it? Are you using wifi or wired? If wifi, are there multiple networks visible that you are configured to automatically connect to? If you DID set up the wifi on the new hardware from the ISP... did you configure it the same
[13:40] <JimBuntu> as any other wifi equipment (same SSID/pass)? Whenever you can answer these would be great, but please don't let it interrupt following guidance from BluesKaj
[13:42] <Jonecir> BluesKaj: file created and copied to /etc/netplan
[13:43] <Jonecir> JimBuntu: I'm used wirted connection. But yes, the modem has wifi and I can use wifi on my cell phone
[13:43] <Jonecir> *wired
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Jonecir, ok let's try resarting networkmanager again, sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager.service
[13:45] <Jonecir> BluesKja: restart done!
[13:46] <iconoclasthero> any idea how to fix mediainfo: /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libffi.so.7: no version information available (required by /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libp11-kit.so.0)?
[13:46] <BluesKaj> now Jonecir read what JimBuntu just posted about your ISP and router if you still have errors
[13:47] <iconoclasthero> https://pastebin.com/CZi43ULM
[13:48] <Jonecir> BluesKaj: same error. I read what JimBuntu posted. I'm using Wired Connection on my PC
[13:49] <Sven_vB> Hi! when I unplug all USB mice, reboot focal, wait until xfce is ready, and then plug in a USB mouse, in xinput it shows as "[floating slave]". this is expected, my xorg.conf.d has a file with Section "ServerFlags" Option "AutoEnableDevices" "no" especially for this. the intent is that a custom program must decide whether and which virtual pointer/keyboard newly attached devices shall control. however, for some reason, the new USB mouse
[13:49] <Sven_vB> can instantly move and click the primary cursor. how can I disable that?
[13:49] <BluesKaj> this is strange...I had the same issue a while back when switched from Ifupdown back to network manager
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Jonecir,^
[13:50] <Jonecir> BluesKaj: clicking on the Network icon it seems nothing has changed.
[13:51] <tatertotz> lol
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Jonecir, do you still have an /etc/network/interfaces/resolv.conf file ?
[13:53] <BluesKaj> I think you mentioned it above
[13:55] <Jonecir> BluesKaj: no, folder interfaces.d is empty
[13:55] <Jonecir> BluesKaj: what I still have is the interfaces file which contains:  auto loiface lo inet loopbackauto eth0allow-hotplug eth0iface eth0 inet dhcp  up ip link set $IFACE up promisc on  down ip link set $IFACE down promisc off
[13:57] <Jonecir> BluesKaj, this is my ifconfig -a
[13:57] <Jonecir> eth0: flags=4419<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,PROMISC,MULTICAST>  mtu 1500        inet 192.168.0.11  netmask 255.255.255.0  broadcast 192.168.0.255        inet6 2804:14c:f281:9e79:7954:9135:a069:fa8a  prefixlen 64  scopeid 0x0<global>        inet6 2804:14c:f281:9e79:991b:c466:766b:639a  prefixlen 64  scopeid 0x0<global>        inet6
[13:57] <Jonecir> fe80::b3db:3343:c0b6:7eb6  prefixlen 64  scopeid 0x20<link>        inet6 2804:14c:f281:9e79::1000  prefixlen 128  scopeid 0x0<global>        ether c0:3f:d5:8f:89:f8  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)        RX packets 548727  bytes 400695015 (400.6 MB)        RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0        TX packets 417096  bytes 77917761 (77.9 MB)
[13:57] <Jonecir> TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0        device interrupt 20  memory 0xf7c00000-f7c20000  lo: flags=73<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING>  mtu 65536        inet 127.0.0.1  netmask 255.0.0.0        loop  txqueuelen 1000  (Local Loopback)        RX packets 2785  bytes 906276 (906.2 KB)        RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
[13:57] <Jonecir> TX packets 2785  bytes 906276 (906.2 KB)        TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0
[13:57] <BluesKaj> !paste | Jonecir
[13:58] <tatertotz> Jonecir: in terminal>      nmcli d st|nc termbin.com 9999
[13:58] <Jonecir> ubottu: thanks for the information. This is my first time here
[13:58] <tatertotz> Jonecir: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..simply say so
[14:01] <tatertotz> Jonecir: did you fall in?
[14:01] <Jonecir> tatertotz: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RvyWZDCD4q/
[14:02] <BluesKaj> Jonecir, your interfaces file should be very simple , usually only 2 lines for ethernet and dhcp, example: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zqpVjyT3qh/
[14:03] <tatertotz> Jonecir: in terminal>      nmcli d sh|grep P4|nc termbin.com 9999
[14:03] <tatertotz> Jonecir: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..simply say so
[14:04] <tatertotz> Jonecir: did you fall in?
[14:05] <Jonecir> tatertotz: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WygKxZWXcX/
[14:05] <Jonecir> what you mean by "did you fall in?"
[14:07] <Jonecir> BluesKaj: do you want me to change my interfaces file?
[14:09] <tatertotz> Jonecir: in terminal>      ping -c 10 8.8.8.8 &> ~/nip.pir
[14:09] <tatertotz> Jonecir: you may not see any output just confirm when you have completed the step by typing "done"
[14:10] <Jonecir> tatertotz: not pinging
[14:10] <Jonecir> tatertotz: done
[14:14] <Jonecir> tatertotz: anything else I could try?
[14:15] <tatertotz> Jonecir: in terminal>      cat ~/nip.pir|nc termbin.com 9999
[14:15] <tatertotz> Jonecir: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..simply say so
[14:15] <BluesKaj> Jonecir,looks to me like someone with working knowledge of your network setup edited the interfaces file for reasons unknown to me , so i think you should consult with whoever edited that file.
[14:19] <gopalk> Hi Team,
[14:19] <gopalk> I need your help
[14:19] <gopalk> I have upgraded ubuntu 16.04 to 18.04
[14:19] <Jonecir> tatertotz: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jR82Wq27X9/
[14:20] <Jonecir> BluesKaj: nobody changed my network
[14:20] <gopalk> When I logged into my account through mstsc(xrdp) I am getting xfce gui, but I want to change it gdm
[14:20] <gopalk> can you please help me
[14:26] <tatertotz> Jonecir: there is no packet loss or interruption shown for 10 pings, and we can check to see if anything has "really" changed from https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WygKxZWXcX/
[14:26] <tatertotz> Jonecir: to determine if the msg shown in chrome is of any validity
[14:28] <tatertotz> Jonecir: you refused to test any other browser, only chrome, unfortunately for you, this symptom is most likely isolated to chrome
[14:28] <tatertotz> Jonecir: in terminal>      ping -c 30 8.8.8.8 &> ~/nip.pir
[14:29] <tatertotz> Jonecir: lets ping even longer and see if there are "truly" any interruptions or packet loss
[14:29] <gopalk> Hi Team, When I logged into my ubuntu  account through mstsc(xrdp) I am getting xfce gui, but I want to change it gdm
[14:29] <tatertotz> Jonecir: you may not see any output just confirm when you have completed the step by typing "done"
[14:29] <gopalk> can you please help me
[14:30] <Jonecir> tatertotz: done
[14:32] <tatertotz> Jonecir: in terminal>      cat ~/nip.pir|nc termbin.com 9999
[14:32] <tatertotz> Jonecir: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..simply say so
[14:33] <designbybeck> I have an issue with Ubuntu 20.04 Terminal not allowing me to Tab to autocomplete
[14:34] <oerheks> designbybeck, what command, and how many letters do you puch before [tab] ?
[14:34] <designbybeck> oerheks sudo apt remove libre
[14:34] <oerheks> c/punch
[14:34] <designbybeck> to remove libre office and install the latest
[14:34] <oerheks> try libre* ??
[14:35] <oerheks> or the full name, one does not remove libreoffice daily :-D
[14:35] <tatertotz> Jonecir: did you fall in?
[14:35] <designbybeck> it just dings at me oerheks
[14:35] <designbybeck> oerheks this happens when I do anything
[14:36] <designbybeck> like cd /home/Down (TAB)
[14:36] <designbybeck> well It will autocomplete that
[14:36] <designbybeck> but other times it doesn't
[14:37] <oerheks> so, libre* works?
[14:37] <designbybeck> no that just dings at me
[14:37] <Jonecir> tatertotz: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5Pw8V6VT39/
[14:38] <designbybeck> although if I type something like: sudo apt remove lib [TAB] then it does auto complete
[14:39] <designbybeck> I do have LibreOffice installed
[14:39] <oerheks> try libreoffice* ?
[14:39] <designbybeck> no, still dings at me
[14:39] <designbybeck>  sudo apt remove libreoff
[14:39] <tafb2> When is Ubuntu going to have Intel Optane support? Trying to install it on my new laptop, no go. Acer A515-55-56HH, no bios options to disable Optane, UEFI mode only, etc. Secure boot is disabled.
[14:40] <oerheks> works here, sudo apt remove libreoffice* -d #  -d = dryrun
[14:40] <gopalk> Hi Team, When I logged into my ubuntu  account through mstsc(xrdp) I am getting xfce gui, but I want to change it gdm
[14:40] <gopalk> how to change ubuntu gui from xfce to gdm
[14:41] <leftyfb> gopalk: xfce is a desktop environment, gdm is a login manager
[14:41] <matsaman> gopalk: do you get the login screen, or do you go straight to the desktop?
[14:42] <Jonecir> tatertoz: yes, you may be right. It seems to be a chrome particular problem. I just browsed a few pages using Firefox, and I didn't get the error
[14:43] <matsaman> gopalk: but do you get a login screen after rdp connection, or just the desktop?
[14:43] <designbybeck> oerheks doing: sudo apt autor [TAB] doesn't pull up autoremove
[14:43] <designbybeck> it's just odd things like that from the term
[14:44] <gopalk> yes
[14:44] <matsaman> gopalk: yes what?
[14:44] <gopalk> I am able to login with xrdp
[14:44] <designbybeck> i downloaded Konsole also, and I have the same issues with it
[14:44] <Jonecir> tatertotz: is there anything I can do regarding chrome to fiz this issue?
[14:44] <matsaman> gopalk: after you log in with xrdp, do you get a login screen, or a desktop?
[14:44] <gopalk> yes
[14:44] <matsaman> Jonecir: chrome or chromium? Builds for the former will always be a mess
[14:44] <gopalk> I am able to login and getting xfce
[14:44] <tatertotz> Jonecir: 30 packets transmitted, 30 received, 0% packet loss, time 29042ms
[14:45] <gopalk> but I need to change with ubuntu default gdm gui
[14:45] <tatertotz> Jonecir: this shows no packet loss what so ever
[14:45] <matsaman> gopalk: can you log out from the Xfce menu without exiting your RDP connection? Then you could go to the top right and select GNOME, if it is present
[14:45] <Jonecir> tatertotz: how do I check if chrome or chromium?
[14:46] <tatertotz> Jonecir: in terminal>      nmcli d sh|grep P4|nc termbin.com 9999
[14:46] <gopalk> I am not able to logout it
[14:46] <tatertotz> Jonecir: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..simply say so
[14:46] <gopalk> is it possible to change through putty
[14:47] <matsaman> Jonecir: chromium has a logo consisting only of shades of blue; chrome uses red/green/yellow/blue
[14:47] <Jonecir> tatertotz: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cWn5wcZFBt/
[14:48] <Jonecir> tatertotz: Version 84.0.4147.105 (Official Build) (64-bit)
[14:49] <gopalk> Hi Hi Team, When I logged into my ubuntu  account through mstsc(xrdp) I am getting xfce gui, but I want to change it gdm
[14:49] <gopalk> hi mastsaman
[14:50] <tatertotz> Jonecir: this shows that your TCP/IP configuration has NOT changed and your chrome is a LIAR
[14:50] <tatertotz> Jonecir: there is also zero packet loss
[14:50] <tatertotz> Jonecir: 30 packets transmitted, 30 received, 0% packet loss, time 29042ms
[14:51] <gopalk> How to change xfce to gnome3
[14:51] <gopalk> pleas help me
[14:51] <Jonecir> tatertotz: yes, I understand what you're saying.
[14:51] <gopalk> need to change through terminal
[14:52] <tatertotz> Jonecir: you can update chrome, file a bug report, reinstall it, but this is NOT a network issue
[14:53] <Jonecir> tatertotz: how can I reinstall chrome?
[14:53] <troubled> heya. Anyone around that can fix broken https://landscape.canonical.com/signup url that refuses to let me past the "Sign in through Ubuntu SSO" page? Seems like it's broken
[14:54] <tatertotz> Jonecir: sudo apt purge google-chrome & sudo apt install google-chrome
[14:54] <troubled> My landscape dashboard just says I am not a member of any Landscape account and gives a url to register for a free trial, which is broken and refuses to let me past (Chrome browser)
[14:59] <Jonecir> tatertotz: please see https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QZBBhcdwDW/
[15:00] <oerheks> tatertotz, i would remove the google-chrome in ~/.config ..
[15:00] <oerheks> lock .. some updates are waiting
[15:00] <k0d3g3ar> I have Ubuntu 18.04 MATE and use Caja for file browsing, etc.  I also have Brasero installed for CD burning.  For some reason, my normal access to Caja has been taken over by Brasero so that any attempt to browse my files brings up the Brasero program that wants to create a CD of them.  How can I get rid of this association?
[15:04] <Jonecir> oerheks: please clarify how to remove google-chrome in ~/.config ?
[15:04] <oerheks> how about remove that folder?
[15:04] <oerheks> then restart chrome?
[15:10] <matsaman> jonvonb: you can also simply move it
[15:10] <matsaman> in case it has something you want in it
[15:11] <matsaman> mv -n ~/.config/chrom[TAB] ~/old.config-chrome
[15:15] <Jonecir> tatertotz: I removed the google-chrome and retarted. Problem continues
[15:17] <matsaman> Jonecir: there's also a dir in ~/.cache/, IME
[15:19] <Jonecir> matsaman: what's this IME?
[15:19] <tatertotz> Jonecir: open in incognito mode and test
[15:20] <matsaman> in my experience
[15:20] <matsaman> IME
[15:20] <Jonecir> :-)
[15:20] <oerheks> so what is so special about your ubuntu install?
[15:20] <oerheks> proxy, vpn, whatever ..
[15:21] <tatertotz> Jonecir: in terminal>      apt list --installed|grep chrom|nc termbin.com 9999
[15:21] <Jonecir> oerheks: nothing special, I guess. Just a regular ubuntu. Then I changed ISP this week and got this problem
[15:21] <tatertotz> Jonecir: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..simply say so
[15:22] <Jonecir> tatertoz: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8FvQCY6mKK/
[15:23] <oerheks> so it could be a router issue?
[15:23] <oerheks> or modem..
[15:23] <tatertotz> Jonecir: to new helpers that ask you...you'll have to inform them that a network issue was already ruled out
[15:24] <Jonecir> oerheks: network issue was already ruled out
[15:24] <tatertotz> Jonecir: and showed zero packet loss and zero interruptions
[15:25] <tatertotz> Jonecir: and is isolated to chrome browser ...but you refuse any other browser
[15:25] <oerheks> oh, so there is no issue then :-D
[15:25] <tatertotz> oerheks: :P
[15:30] <Jonecir> tatertotz: it's not that I refuse any other browser. The system I use from my company is not supported for Firefox, for instance.
[15:31] <tatertotz> Jonecir: that makes sense
[15:31] <dstathis> Hello, I have just switched to ubuntu and I am rather new to snaps. Is there a command to download the source for a snap? similar to "apt-get source" or "dnf download --source"
[15:31] <veryloud> Hello! I'm facing a DNS resolution problem using OpenVPN on Ubuntu 20.04. I have two VPNs installed: One from OpenVPN Connect, one from WatchGuard, the OpenVPN Connect works perfectly, the WatchGuard VPN resolves external addresses but not internal ones, although it can reach internal IPs. The DNS server is the same as OpenVPN Connect, a Windows Server 2016 machine.
[15:32] <Jonecir> tatertoz: should I try to remove google-chrome dir again, including the one in ~/.cache?
[15:32] <banggood> is ubuntu a good desktop os?
[15:32] <veryloud> banggood: you're asking in #ubuntu, you're gonna get a biased answer :P
[15:33] <veryloud> I think for now, Ubuntu is seen as the gold standard for Gnome-based Linux desktops, it does everything well enough and is pretty stable.
[15:33] <tatertotz> Jonecir: you can remove that dir OR log in as a new user, this new user has no chrome profile in it's home directory yet since they had never logged in and launched chrome to create it....until you log in as that new user and test chrome
[15:33] <banggood> i'm sure #ubuntu can be objective in their reasoning
[15:35] <tatertotz> Jonecir: so do either, and just confirm with me which you did, and the results when testing chrome
[15:41] <banggood> the main question i have with ubuntu (probably all linux distros) is why the battery is so trash compared to windows
[15:41] <banggood> i don't get it, i thought linux was less blaoted than windows
[15:41] <matsaman> banggood: it isn't trash, but
[15:41] <matsaman> banggood: consider that hardware is frequently designed with specific drivers in mind only
[15:42] <matsaman> and you bought that hardware, on purpose
[15:42] <matsaman> if you want a laptop with truly great battery life, designed from the start for Linux, then get a chromebook and swap the OS (which you can do easily with many but not all)
[15:43] <Sven_vB> banggood, you can install very lightweight versions of linux, or ones with lots of convenience features.
[15:44] <Sven_vB> banggood, I like to install a minimal ubuntu and then add just the stuff I actually use.
[15:46] <veryloud> banggood: look at Pop!_OS for a laptop OS with great battery life
[15:46] <veryloud> It's Ubuntu with optimizations done by System76
[15:46] <veryloud> Ad for my question, I noticed that flip-flopping the setting "Use this connection only for its resources" causes either the external DNS to resolve or the internal DNS to resolve, never both
[15:46] <troubled> what makes System76 so much better at ubuntu than canonical, anyways?
[15:47] <veryloud> troubled: They make their own machines
[15:47] <troubled> ah, so they are tuned well. I see
[15:47] <banggood> Sven_vB: i'm currently using arch, but and i get awful battery life (granted my battery is like 5 years old)
[15:47] <veryloud> yeah
[15:47] <banggood> that's about as minimalist as you can get
[15:48] <banggood> and i have a feeling that throwing arch on an xps 13 would get me worse battery life than windows on the same hardware
[15:48] <veryloud> banggood: System76 does kernel optimizations
[15:48] <veryloud> That's probably what you're not doing on Arch
[15:49] <banggood> is it possible to do this for ubuntu?
[15:49] <banggood> e.g. if i buy an xps 13, could i get good battery life out of it with some optimizations?
[15:49] <banggood> (or is that something only OEMS can do)
[15:51] <troubled> any actual canonical admins here that deal with Landscape?
[15:51] <veryloud> banggood: If you build your own kernel with the proper optimizations, yeah I suppose so
[15:51] <veryloud> That's basically what they did
[15:51] <veryloud> Along some other miscellaneous performance optimizations and support for some specific hardware
[15:52] <banggood> veryloud: er so is it Pop_OS that is optimized for linux, or is it the hardware?
[15:52] <banggood> isn't pop_os ubuntu based?
[15:52] <veryloud> Yes
[15:53] <veryloud> It's both
[15:53] <veryloud> They picked their components to be 100% compatible with mainline Linux (minus NVIDIA graphics)
[15:53] <banggood> but the hardware would be the more important thing to optimize im guessing, otherwise other linux distros wouldn't have such atrocious battery life
[15:54] <veryloud> And Pop!_OS is adding performance and battery life optimizations that Canonical omitted to be more general purpose,
[15:54] <veryloud> banggood: pick a laptop that the manufacturer has certified (or at least certified a variant of) for Linux
[15:54] <veryloud> the new XPS laptops are certified for Linux, especially if you get the Developer edition
[15:54] <banggood> veryloud: i was thinking the dell xps developer edition
[15:54] <banggood> xps 13*
[15:54] <troubled> the tyranny of the default :P
[15:54] <veryloud> There's also Lenovo's T4xx series
[15:55] <veryloud> troubled: Yup
[15:55] <veryloud> I say, sane defaults are important
[15:55] <troubled> for sure, but there are those cases were you just gotta tune and tinker
[15:55] <veryloud> Canonical picked wide defaults that would work for -most- people, which is the correct choice
[15:55] <banggood> fair enough
[15:55] <banggood> so would pop_os give me better battery life on an xps 13?
[15:55] <veryloud> Pop!_OS picked defaults that would appease portable gaming enthusiasts
[15:55] <veryloud> banggood: Probably
[15:56] <veryloud> I got good results on a Macbook Air from 2015 compared to Ubuntu and Arch
[15:56] <banggood> shame, i would prefer to use ubuntu on my xps
[15:56] <veryloud> Between you and I - It's the same thing
[15:56] <veryloud> Just install the Ubuntu theme and extensions
[15:56] <Jonecir> tatertoz: I removed google-chrome from both folders. Downloaded chrome installation. Open it, did not logged in and launched my system. The same error message appears: A network change was detected.
[15:56] <veryloud> 95% of the underlying system is the same thing
[15:56] <banggood> veryloud: ok, i might go with that option then, thanks!
[15:57] <veryloud> :) np!
[15:57] <gopalk> hi, how to change xfce gui to gnome3 for users in ubuntu18
[16:00] <BluesKaj> install gnome3 and choose your desktop at the login, gopalk
[16:01] <Sven_vB> gopalk, for changing users' choices you can also edit the files in /var/lib/AccountsService/users/
[16:02] <gopalk> thank you, i am using xrdp, so there is no option to choose, can you please help me how to enable through terminal
[16:02] <Sven_vB> settings rather than choice
[16:03] <gopalk> sttings command?
[16:04] <tatertotz> Jonecir: open incognito mode
[16:04] <tatertotz> Jonecir: same in incognito mode?
[16:05] <Jonecir> tatertotz: I removed google-chrome from both folders. Downloaded chrome installation. Open it, did not logged in and launched my system. The same error message appears: A network change was detected.
[16:08] <tatertotz> Jonecir: in terminal>    tracepath 8.8.8.8|nc termbin.com 9999
[16:09] <tatertotz> Jonecir: it might run for a few seconds
[16:09] <tatertotz> Jonecir: let it complete
[16:11] <Jonecir> tatertotz: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NxBm5PwPmX/
[16:17] <jwash> hi everyone, i want to add a custom paper size, how do i find the .ppd for my current printer (epson workforce 630) so that i can add it there?
[16:18] <tatertotz> Jonecir: https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/10745930?hl=en
[16:19] <tatertotz> Jonecir: https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/43071053?hl=en
[16:21] <tatertotz> Jonecir: odd that this only occured after you made changes with ISP
[16:21] <veryloud> I fixed my issue with `sudo rm /etc/resolv.conf && sudo ln -s /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf`
[16:22] <Jonecir> tatertotz: Yes, I cannot believe it either! I'm reading those two pages you just sent. Will post shortly. Thanks a lot in the mean time.
[16:26] <tatertotz> Jonecir: other users have had the same issue and Firefox works when chrome gives error, verifying the problem is isolated to the chrome browser itself
[16:30] <tatertotz> Jonecir: one of those reports is from April 2020, so upgrading and or having the latest greatest version doesn't fix it or make immune
[16:31] <JeroenK> Hola :)  I was wondering how i can minimize all windows in 20.04
[16:32] <JeroenK> got 2 screens
[16:32] <tatertotz> Jonecir: i'm almost curious what google chrome is quote unquote "detecting" as network changes and refusaling to browse
[16:33] <Jonecir> tatertotz: Yes, I just noticed that. Actually there was no solution on those two links. I have already reported this issue to Google, but they probably will not answer.
[16:34] <tatertotz> Jonecir: you ever heard of "chromium"?
[16:35] <tatertotz> Jonecir: now that i think about how similar chrome and chromium are...the result would probably be the same
[16:35] <tatertotz> Jonecir: but never know until you try
[16:35] <Jonecir> tatertotz: I've heard about chromium today, here in this site :-)
[16:36] <JeroenK> For very long I was still on 14.04, only recently did a fresh install for 20.04. But in 14.04 there was a button for it in the top bar, for minimize all windows at once
[16:37] <tatertotz> Jonecir: almost forgot i wanted to check one more thing
[16:37] <Jonecir> tatertoz: problem is that almost all sites about this ERR_NETWORK_CHANGED is related to Windows, not Ubuntu.
[16:39] <Jonecir> tatertotz: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/S6MYK7CcyR/
[16:39] <tatertotz> Jonecir: in terminal>      nmcli c s|nc 5.39.93.71 9999
[16:42] <tatertotz> Jonecir: i understand
[16:43] <tatertotz> Jonecir: your post is Windows 10/7 instructions but we can accomplish the same in GNU/Linux
[16:46] <tatertotz> Jonecir: did you fall in?
[16:51] <Jonecir> tatertotz: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/n6r3wDFy4S/
[16:54] <jwash> JeroenK in xfce i add it to the bar manually
[16:54] <tatertotz> Jonecir: that means its just a coincidence this occurred with ISP changes
[16:55] <JeroenK> Great, lost connection for some reason. But anyway......... I also was dumb.... I meant maximize all windows. I already know its super+D for that
[16:55] <JeroenK> super+D for minimize i mean
[16:55] <tatertotz> Jonecir: meaning this would have happened no matter if your ISP made changes or not
[16:55] <JeroenK> jwash, not really planning to switch to xfce ;)
[16:56] <tatertotz> Jonecir: probably some bug in chrome or maybe google designed it that way for some reason only known to them
[16:57] <jwash> what DE do you use?
[16:58] <tatertotz> Jonecir: you could try using different DNS like your post
[16:58] <JeroenK> ubuntu 20.04, gnome
[16:58] <tatertotz> Jonecir: 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 can be used for DNS
[16:59] <freepoch> Hello -- I'm experiencing an issue with SSH sessions dropping when connecting to a server IP address that is in a different subnet than the server's default gateway. on Ubuntu server 18.04
[16:59] <tatertotz> Jonecir: set your DNS to those values instead of the current DNS values
[16:59] <freepoch> SSH works fine if I connect to a server IP in the same subnet as the default gateway.
[17:00] <tatertotz> Jonecir: would be interesting if it's chrome discriminating against the DNS you're using
[17:01] <tatertotz> Jonecir: if they were going to do that..why allow it to work at all, and why refer to it as a "change" when in reality nothing is changing from a TCP/IP perspective
[17:01] <Jonecir> tatertotz: where and how do I change the DNS?
[17:03] <tatertotz> Jonecir: i don't think you have the option of using the GUI network settings in your current state, you would have to try. if you cannot use the GUI you can try via terminal
[17:04] <tatertotz> Jonecir: are you able to make entries into the GUI network settings ?
[17:04] <tatertotz> Jonecir: there is a tab for DNS
[17:06] <Jonecir> tatertotz: no I cannot access via GUI. How can I send you a screenshot?
[17:07] <tatertotz> Jonecir: you can use the print screen button on the keyboard to take a screen shot, then post it to https://imgur.com for sharing
[17:13] <Jonecir> tatertotz: do you have any way for me to send you some screens shots? This imgur does not accept my phone number. (Phone number must be numerical.)
[17:19] <tatertotz> Jonecir: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-set-dns-nameservers-in-ubuntu-server-18-04/
[17:20] <thyriaen> anyone around who remembers me ?
[17:21] <chalcedny> does ubuntu 18.04 come with iptables set to block ports?
[17:22] <leftyfb> thyriaen: please ask your support question
[17:22] <leftyfb> chalcedny: do you have Ubuntu 18.04 installed now?
[17:22] <lalitmee> Hey Guys, I am facing a very weird problem in my Ubuntu 18.04 and that is my Internet Download and Upload speed is very fast but when I try to browse any website it takes a lot of time to load. Do any one of you know about this problem?
[17:22] <chalcedny> leftyfb, yes
[17:22] <leftyfb> chalcedny: and does it look like iptables is installed?
[17:23] <chalcedny> leftyfb, iptables v1.6.1 is there
[17:23] <thyriaen> well days back, maybe 1 week - i talked to someone called something like tomey_something and someone beginning with ser_ and i just wanted to tell them how i fixed my issue :)
[17:23] <leftyfb> chalcedny: there are no default rules in ubuntu
[17:24] <leftyfb> lalitmee: tried a different browser?
[17:24] <chalcedny> leftleg_, ah thanks. I set up znc and it won't let me connect to it.
[17:24] <tatertotz> lalitmee: what are you using to measure internet speed in ubuntu?
[17:26] <Jonecir> tatertotz: https://imgur.com/gallery/AvS8pcQ
[17:28] <tatertotz> Jonecir: i sent you a link to an article, use that and use google's DNS servers 8.8.8.8 AND 8.8.4.4
[17:28] <tatertotz> Jonecir: there's also 1.1.1.1
[17:29] <rr123> this is not really ubuntu related, I have not build kernel from source for a while, now after I git clone the master of kernel, when I do 'make nconfig' , 'make menuconfig', my terminal is messed up, what gives
[17:29] <rr123> can not even exit the build menu
[17:30] <Jonecir> tatertotz: yes, I will read it and try to configure it. Thanks a lot for your help.
[17:30] <tatertotz> Jonecir: why would google start being offended by the DNS servers you've used all the way up to this time? It'll be interesting if the windows 10 fix also works in Linux
[17:30] <rr123> maybe something I set for the terminal screwed it up, xterm did not help either
[17:30] <tatertotz> Jonecir: no problem
[17:35] <rr123> arrow key not working at make menuconfig
[17:37] <rr123> root cause: grc ! which did alias make='colourify make'
[17:49] <boxemall> hi folks. i recently updated to 20.04 and ever since i can't print anymore with my hp envy 5000. i used the official HPLIP utility but somehow it doesn't work. i used to have the printer running in WIFI mode and all was well. now all i can do is print the test page which weirdly enough gets printed. any other document is either blank or weird hyroglyphics instead of letters. i'm absolutely clueless. can anyone help me? i'm
[17:49] <boxemall> on lubuntu 20.04 btw
[17:59] <usr1987> boxemall:  what you mean wifi mode?  Ad hoc, or on the wifi network?
[17:59] <derek0883> ubuntu enabled lightdm auto login, but still requires password sometime after reboot, anyone met this issue?
[18:01] <boxemall> @usr1987 the printer is seen on the network but usually you need to hook it up over usb once then the utility configures the printer so you can use it over wifi. i guess it's ad-hoc not sure
[18:02] <pavlos> derek0883: did you modify /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf, can you pastbin the [SeatDefaults] section (about 5 lines
[18:03] <usr1987> boxemall:  so it has no screen and you use the USB to configure the ssid and pw to be on the network?
[18:04] <derek0883> @pavlos mine only two lines,  [Seat:*]
[18:04] <derek0883> autologin-user=username
[18:05] <boxemall> it has a screen but usually you use the HPLIP utility that does everyting for you. as i said with 19.04 all worked well. now all i get are test pages. libreoffice gives me blank pages or weird output
[18:06] <boxemall> i just thought i might have overlooked something
[18:12] <lewie67[p]> hey all, I can't seem to get a logon banner to display at the gui login screen...any help out there?
[18:12] <derek0883> It only happen some times, mosft of it can auto login
[18:14] <linuxr> Hi, anyone else having problems with libreoffice 6.4 on ubuntu 20.04? Since upgrade to 20.04 libreoffice is so slow and unresponsive it's barely useable anymore
[18:14] <linuxr> ideas, anyone?
[18:14] <usr1987> yeah... snap apps
[18:14] <linuxr> is it a snap app?
[18:14] <lewie67[p]> i've created /etc/dconf/db/gdm.d/00-login-screen that disables the user list with no problem, but my 01-banner-message file doesn't seem to have any effect
[18:15] <usr1987> i bet
[18:15] <pavlos> derek0883: maybe change the autologin-user-timeout from 0 to 1
[18:15] <usr1987> linuxr go into software center and see where the install came from, deb or snap
[18:16] <linuxr> usr1987, I installed it using "apt install libreoffice"
[18:16] <lewie67[p]> i'm on 20.04 if that helps
[18:16] <derek0883> pavlos, there is no autologin-user-timeout in that file, should I add one line?
[18:16] <usr1987> @linuxr try snap list
[18:17] <linuxr> it's not in that list, usr1987
[18:17] <pavlos> derek0883: sure, you could. autologin-user-timeout=1
[18:17] <usr1987> @linuxr how much ram and what drive you have... its weird...
[18:18] <linuxr> usr1987, enough for it to run smoothly..had no problems on 18.04
[18:18] <pavlos> derek0883: https://www.maketecheasier.com/enable-autologin-lightdm/
[18:18] <linuxr> now it's taking even 3 seconds to just switch from another window to libreoffice
[18:19] <linuxr> I really wonder what happened here
[18:19] <linuxr> any way to debug this?
[18:19] <linuxr> or pin down the problem?
[18:21] <derek0883> pavlos, thanks
[18:26] <dacencora> Hey guys, I just installed 20.04 on a laptop that has a GTX 1050ti. When looking at Nvidia-Settings, it only shows PRIME Profiles, and no other settings
[18:27] <dacencora> I have it set as NVIDIA (Performance Mode) but it doesn't give me any other NVIDIA options
[18:31] <tomreyn> !uptodate | dacencora
[18:32] <tomreyn> update, reboot, try again
[18:32] <toppo> what's the smallest ubuntu meta package that you can use for a runnable linux "server" setup
[18:32] <dacencora> tomreyn: OK I will try it
[18:32] <toppo> sorta like mkroot, but obviously bigger
[18:33] <rr123> toppo: install the iso, choose nothing other than openssh-server?
[18:33] <toppo> iirc the iso is composed of a few meta packages isn't it?
[18:34] <linuxr> hi, can please someone help me with libreoffice? It's become unusably slow since the upgrade to 20.04..thanks
[18:34] <toppo> any equivalent to archlinux 'base' package?
[18:34] <rr123> i recall meta-pkgs in the old days,
[18:35] <rr123> but ubuntu i just install whatever I absolutely need without using any meta-pkg, if they still are the recommended bundle style
[18:35] <PeGaSuS> if I want to grant a user the ability to read the files under a specific directory, using the `setfacl` command, the syntax is: setfacl -mR u:USERNAME:r /etc/letsencrypt/live/sub.domain.tld/, right?
[18:37] <toppo> ah ubuntu-minimal
[18:37] <toppo> I thought there was a smaller one though
[18:40] <rr123> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[18:44] <toppo> oh ok, so I was thinking of ubuntu-standard, which is actually larger
[18:44] <toppo> they are all part of the ubuntu-meta package
[18:47] <lewie67[p]> Anyone out there know how to set a banner message on the gui login screen for 20.04?
[18:50] <toppo> script a notification is the fastest I can think of
[18:52] <pavlos> lewie67[p]: using dconf can you look at org.gnome.login-screen ? there is a banner-enable switch and a banner-text
[18:55] <lewie67[p]> doesn't look like it. can i use the /etc/dconf/db structure anymore? or does it have to be gsettings in 20.04?
[18:55] <lewie67[p]> the dconf files were much easier to use for deployment
[18:57] <pavlos> lewie67[p]: on focal ... https://imgur.com/a/EF40ZNI
[18:59] <lewie67[p]> pavlos: right...i'm trying to use ansible to set it for all our desktops
[18:59] <lewie67[p]> i used to use the directory structure in /etc/dconf/db but that doesn't appear to work anymore
[19:07] <dacencora> Ok thanks to everyone from earlier
[19:07] <dacencora> I now see the proper settings in NVIDIA settings
[19:08] <dacencora> One quick question, however, I am noticing some pretty bad screen tearing. Is there an easy fix for this?
[19:11] <veryloud> For my VPN issue - Looks like I was hitting a hard bug in systemd-resolved, I had to disable it entirely
[19:12] <veryloud> Untested software on an LTS release, always nice
[19:12] <dacencora> Some more info, I have a gtx 1050-ti mobile on a laptop with nvidia-440.100 installed
[19:21] <kenwoodfox> Trying to get incron to run a python script when a file is changed
[19:21] <kenwoodfox> it says the script is running but, well its not
[19:21] <kenwoodfox> Aug  5 15:20:29 bacula incrond[33951]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/python3 /etc/bacula/scripts/webhooks/bacula_discord_webhook.py)
[19:22] <kenwoodfox> if i run "/usr/bin/python3 /etc/bacula/scripts/webhooks/bacula_discord_webhook.py" manually all is good
[19:22] <kenwoodfox> I dont know what im missing,
[19:31] <kenwoodfox> Ok, well i fixed that issue
[19:31] <kenwoodfox> but
[19:31] <kenwoodfox> now incron excecutes everything twice
[19:33] <pavlos> do you need "2>&1" at the end?
[19:48] <kenwoodfox> It was just a function of nano aparently
[19:48] <kenwoodfox> bacula seems to be able to inject into the file without causing the double
[19:48] <kenwoodfox> what does 2>&1 do?
[19:50] <alch3mist> hey, need help with adding custom resolution to ubuntu, I connected my machine to a 4k tv, and tried to manually add a newmode with xrandr but I have 2 issues, 1. it doesn't seem like the resolution is actually changing, 2. custom resolution goes away after boot
[19:51] <pavlos> redirects stderr to stdout
[19:54] <derek0883> is ubuntu desktop version support unattend installation?
[21:03] <derek0883> I'm trying to use preseed file for ubuntu desktop, I need full automation, but it always ask me for installtion type, "This computer curently has Ubuntu on it. what would you like to do?" 1. Erase Ubuntu and reinstall, 2 Install Ubuntu alongside current ubunt" ... then I have to choose and click Continue
[21:05] <samrussell> s
[21:10] <Deano59> Why was 20.04.1 pushed to a later date?
[21:10] <Deano59> Covid?
[21:11] <oerheks> its ready when its ready
[21:11] <Deano59> Yeah that doesn't answer my question though.
[21:13] <oerheks> some write 'GRUB2 Boothole vulnerability' as reason, but there is no reason given.
[21:14] <Deano59> Thanks.
[21:36] <rr123> i want to swap Esc and CapsLock, could not find keyboard under settings(other than keyboard shortcuts)
[21:36] <rr123> 20.04 that is, how can I do that
[21:36] <rr123> do I have to use gnone-tweaks
[21:38] <geosmile> where is this coming from --  audit: type=1400 audit(1596395591.140:2): apparmor="STATUS" operation="profile_load" profile="unconfined" name="/usr/bin/lxc-start" pid=623 comm="apparmor_parser"
[21:38] <geosmile> How can i switch off lxc?
[21:38] <geosmile> this is from my mesg
[21:40] <leftyfb> geosmile: switch off or remove? Why do you have it installed if you aren't using it
[21:59] <Aavar> Is it possible to set up x11vnc (or another vnc-server) to start with lightdm (or other DM) so that a local and remote user can use the same login session? Similar to RDP on windows.
[22:10] <matsaman> Aavar: I'd check with tigervnc's xorg module first
[22:16] <Aavar> matsaman: I followed this guide, and it works :)
[22:17] <matsaman> cool =)
[22:17] <Aavar> matsaman: I'll keep that in mind about tigervnc :)
[22:17] <matsaman> mmhmmm
[22:18] <derek0883> hi what's the different ubuntu server and ubuntu desktop unattended installation?
[22:19] <sarnold> wow that was the fastest I've ever seen "how do I get vnc working at login"
[22:22] <oerheks> 'server is just the kernel and tools' ..
[22:22] <oerheks> no ssh, nothing.
[22:23] <matsaman> the sshd isn't preinstalled?
[22:24] <Loshki> Deano59: you either ship it on time, or ship it when it's ready, or make some compromise between the two. Given the quality of ..1 releases generally, I worry this means it's in really bad shape.
[23:11] <derek0883> hi what is different d-i partman and ubiquity partman
[23:11] <derek0883> I'm trying to do a full unattended installation
[23:16] <oerheks> what have you found sofar?
[23:16] <oerheks> one should exactly explain what version, what version number with the question ...
[23:16] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity
[23:17] <oerheks> says you use the desktop installer