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callmepkgood morning01:39
sarnoldhey callmepk01:40
callmepkhi sarnold 01:41
dufluOops. Morning callmepk  :)03:46
callmepkOh hey duflu 03:48
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers, happy Friday!06:27
dufluHi oSoMoN, happy Friday06:29
oSoMoNhey duflu 06:32
Laney\o08:05
marcustomlinsonhello desktoppers08:09
marcustomlinsonLaney: working? on a Friday??08:09
dufluHi Laney and marcustomlinson 08:11
marcustomlinsonhey duflu08:13
Laneymarcustomlinson: I know, it's supposed to be 29 later08:14
Laneythis is WRONG08:14
Laneymoni duflu08:14
jameshit's forecast to be 9° overnight here, which is much nicer than the start of the week08:16
marcustomlinsonhey jamesh08:18
jameshhi marcustomlinson 08:18
seb128goood morning desktopers08:29
marcustomlinsonmorning seb12808:29
seb128hey marcustomlinson, how are you? ready for the weekend? :-)08:30
marcustomlinsonseb128: doing well thanks. definitely ready for the weekend. 4 day weeks are rough ;) how are you?08:32
seb128I'm already, wish the weather was less warm08:33
Laneyhey seb128 08:37
seb128hey Laney, how are you?08:39
Laneyseb128: yeah alright, want to go swim in the lake though 😬08:43
seb128I would sign up for that today for sure!08:43
seb12836°C and then 38°C during the weekend08:44
Laneythat is 'hiding in the shade' heat08:45
seb128right, there is no proper hiding, just wait for the evening and celebrate some fresher air!08:56
dufluMorning seb128 08:56
seb128hey duflu, how are you? had a good work week? ready for a relaxing weekend?08:58
dufluseb128, productive yes. Mostly because I had the sense to stop trying to fix the Wayland backend and do other things for a while. Definitely ready08:59
seb128:-)09:02
popeyDo we have an ETA on LibreOffice 7 in the Snap Store?09:14
oSoMoNgood morning seb128, Laney, marcustomlinson, popey 09:15
oSoMoNpopey, that's a question for hellsworth 09:15
popeyOkeydokey09:15
oSoMoNI'm not seeing any 7.0 branch at https://code.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+git/libreoffice-snap09:16
marcustomlinsonmorning oSoMoN09:21
seb128hey popey, oSoMoN09:22
seb128popey, best to ask Heather in a few hours but it looks like she has been busy with other things recently so unsure she started on that one09:23
seb128or maybe marcustomlinson knows the status?09:23
marcustomlinsonnope09:23
KGB-0glib upstream/2.64.x d82757c Simon McVittie * pushed 79 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3IijA09:27
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KGB-0glib upstream/2.64.x d8d5664 Nirbheek Chauhan glib/ gnulib/gl_cv_func_printf_infinite_long_double/meson.build meson.build * meson: Fix gnulib printf checks * https://deb.li/yir109:28
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ricotzgood morning desktopers!09:50
ricotzoSoMoN, hey :), please don't forget thunderbird 68.11.009:50
oSoMoNhey ricotz, I haven't forgotten10:04
seb128ricotz, not going to speak for him but he's on holidays tonight so might be a tricky one to sneak in with other things today10:05
oSoMoNyeah, maybe not today10:05
ricotzoh I see10:06
ricotzoSoMoN, then offline you go! :)10:06
ricotzoops misread tonight as today10:07
oSoMoNricotz, don't tempt me ;)10:08
ricotzoSoMoN, are you using llvm-11 yet (for e.g. chromium)? ff trunk builds on groovy using it are in progress11:51
oSoMoNricotz, no, chromium debs are only built for xenial and bionic, and the snap uses the vendored llvm/clang11:52
ricotzok11:52
LaneyTFW you delete all your work and start again11:58
LaneyI realised that I couldn't do kernel flavour switching very nicely at all with my previous approach :(11:58
Laneyoh well, should be faster the second time around11:58
Laney(not actually all, just all of one part of it)11:58
marcustomlinsonLaney: A awesome manager of mine once said: "The way I distinguish a good engineer from a great one, is how willing they are to throw away their hard work for a better solution"12:22
marcustomlinson/s/A/An12:23
* ricotz notes libreoffice 1:6.4.5-0ubuntu0.20.04.1 still stuck in focal/queue12:31
marcustomlinsonricotz and hellsworth: it doesn't require upload rights to ping the SRU team12:32
* ricotz prepares *6.4.6* for ppa12:32
ricotzmarcustomlinson, I know, sorry, but if there is a queue and a SRU bug report it should not require daily pinging of some sort12:33
ricotzdespite the packaging problem, having a package like this sitting 4 weeks in the queue is not acceptable12:35
marcustomlinsonricotz: I've pinged tj_aalton on ubuntu-release12:36
ricotzmarcustomlinson, thank you12:36
marcustomlinsonand thank you for your work on LO ricotz12:43
ricotzmarcustomlinson, my pleasure12:44
ricotzmarcustomlinson, I think you didn't answer yesterday regarding a libreoffice 7.0 package12:45
marcustomlinsonricotz: yeah because I don't have an answer, doesn't appear like hellsworth has started on it, but maybe she has locally12:46
ricotzmarcustomlinson, ah no, I already mentioned to her, that there one ready12:47
ricotzhttps://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-prereleases/+packages12:47
marcustomlinsonricotz: I will need hellsworth to run autopkgtests, and test thoroughly locally before uploading12:48
ricotzafaik, the armhf failure on groovy is some qemu/gcc10 thing12:48
ricotzmarcustomlinson, when the focal build finishes, I will push a final groovy update (which is currently missing the update of noto font patches)12:50
marcustomlinsonricotz: excellent12:50
ricotzmarcustomlinson, ok, I guess the tarballs are fine to use, the ~rc3 tag is not important in this state12:53
ricotzor troublesome in any way12:53
Laneymarcustomlinson: that's a nice quote!13:24
Laneyjust went for a walk in the 30° too, feel better (but more sweaty) about it13:24
LaneyI don't see a way to do a single progress bar nicely though, the thing is built to show progress of one apt transaction (set of install/remove/upgrades)13:26
Laneyand we don't actually even know what the set is here until part way through :<13:26
* Laney pre-apologises to mpt13:26
mptLaney, what’s the mega-task?13:27
LaneyIt's installing the platform specific hardware support for the running machine13:29
Laneyproblem is the Ubuntu archive doesn't know what the OEM archive contains13:29
Laneyit's actually a technical problem - I have to make multiple apt operations - but it's also a UI one because that makes reporting progress hard too13:30
Laneyneither update-manager or aptdaemon are really built with this in mind; aptdaemon comes with some gtk widgets but they are all really based on operations on individual transactions13:30
Laneywhat you see in update-manager when it's working currently is AptProgressBar(transaction)13:31
Laneybut now I need transaction-install-oem-foo; transaction-update-the-apt-indexes; transaction-install-that-everything-else13:31
Laneymiddle one changes the size of the last13:31
Laneyoh, yeah, and it might tell us to use a different kernel, so a transaction for that if it does13:32
Laney:/\/\/\/\/13:32
Laneywe find that out after the second step too13:33
mptSo downloading+installing the kernel (if there is one) is done before, or after, downloading+installing everything else?13:34
LaneyI feel atm like it could be either way, but probably before would be a bit easier to implement13:35
LaneyI suppose actually I could add that into the final task, at least the apt parts of it13:37
mptWhat are the non-apt parts? Updating grub or something?13:38
Laneyright, we might need to tell grub to use a particular kernel flavour13:39
Laneyif the oem archive makes you go from linux-oem -> linux-hwe13:39
Laneylexical sorting won't give you the right thing there13:40
Laney(I might need some help getting this part right in the code)13:40
mptSo, the way to design the progress bar for a bunch of subtasks is to allocate likely proportions to each subtask … And nothing about that actually changes if one or more of the subtasks might not even happen. It just reduces the proportion for that subtask, because it’s equivalent to the subtask taking zero time.13:42
mptSo, ideally, you run the whole task on a bunch of different machines, time each subtask, and calculate the average percentage of time each subtask takes (including zeroes when the subtask doesn’t happen at all, e.g. no different kernel).13:43
mptIf you don’t have time for that, you can just guess, and tweak it later.13:43
mptIt’s absolutely fine (a pleasant surprise, even) if a progress bar jumps forward a bit because a subtask didn’t need doing. Much better than the progress bar going back to zero for each subtask.13:44
Laneyok, nod, that sounds about right - thanks13:46
LaneyI'll have to take a hard look at the existing class and see if it can be made to do this somehow13:46
mptFun fact, the update-manager progress bar is based on a wild guess that downloading took 50% of the time, installing took 50% of the time, with the idea that we would measure the actual proportions and fine-tune it later, but we never did14:01
mpt(depending on your definition of “fun”)14:01
Laneyheh14:09
Laney"# XXX TEMPORARY HACK 2004-07-01: come back and adjust this constant"14:09
Laneygood to see seb128 starting on updates!14:11
seb128:-)14:12
seb128I've a feeling I'm going to be alone for the first round14:12
seb128oSoMoN, didrocks and Trevinho are off next week14:12
seb128and you are quite busy atm14:12
seb128oh well, at least it's a start :)14:13
Laneymight do a few14:13
Laneybe good to have a break for a bit14:14
KGB-1glib pristine-tar c8e24df Simon McVittie glib2.0_2.65.0+230+g13ad6ab83.orig.tar.xz.delta glib2.0_2.65.0+230+g13ad6ab83.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for glib2.0_2.65.0+230+g13ad6ab83.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/8Uhz14:14
KGB-1glib upstream/latest fd02392 Simon McVittie * pushed 231 commits * https://deb.li/3odys14:14
KGB-1glib tags 1d31fce Simon McVittie upstream/2.65.0+230+g13ad6ab83 * Upstream version 2.65.0+230+g13ad6ab83 * https://deb.li/Sf2I14:15
hellsworthgood morning desktopers15:23
kenvandinegood morning!15:23
marcustomlinsona wild kenvandine appears15:24
kenvandine;-)15:24
marcustomlinsonhey hellsworth and kenvandine15:24
oSoMoNgood morning hellsworth & kenvandine 15:31
hellsworthsorry but marcustomlinson what are you waiting on me for? i thought you uploaded the repacked libreoffice from ricotz 's ppa (there is an email thread about it)15:33
marcustomlinsonwho's testing it?15:33
marcustomlinsonme?15:33
marcustomlinsonit's a major update, not something to rush in15:33
ricotzmarcustomlinson, the 6.4.5 package for focal need to be built in the proposed pocket and then tested15:35
marcustomlinsonwait I'm talking about LO715:35
ricotzthis one is not about 7.0 15:35
hellsworth6.4.515:35
hellsworthsru for focal15:36
hellsworth7.0 i started on for the snap15:36
ricotzhellsworth, btw, hey15:36
marcustomlinson13:45 (ricotz) marcustomlinson, I think you didn't answer yesterday regarding a libreoffice 7.0 package15:36
hellsworthhi ricotz hows it going15:36
ricotzmarcustomlinson, yes, but not what hellsworth is referring to15:36
marcustomlinson13:48 (marcustomlinson) ricotz: I will need hellsworth to run autopkgtests, and test thoroughly locally before uploading15:36
marcustomlinsonI was15:36
ricotzmarcustomlinson, I assume there was more than one ping to hellsworth 15:37
ricotzhellsworth, good :)15:38
marcustomlinsonwhat do you guys want me to do about 6.4.5 to focal?15:38
ricotzmarcustomlinson, I don't have upload right of any sort, so it would be great if someone who sponsors it would keep an eye on it15:39
ricotzmarcustomlinson, I guess something is borked with the archive, seems like t_jaalton already tried to accept it15:39
ricotz> Accepted 6 hours ago by Timo Aaltonen15:39
ricotzI guess someone need to purge this https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+queue?queue_state=2&queue_text=15:40
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hellsworthbut ricotz i see that this was uploaded aug 4: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=libreoffice15:41
marcustomlinsonhellsworth: are we in sync now? ricotz mentioned to me earlier today that he has a build ready for LO7 and I said you need to test it15:42
hellsworthoh right the l7 testing yes ok15:42
marcustomlinsonhellsworth: I thought you were saying I must upload that in your first message to me :P it's too late on a Friday for this much crosstalk15:43
hellsworthright sorry. i was just stuck on 6.4.5 for focal15:44
hellsworththe topic i mean15:44
marcustomlinsonLaney: can a package sit approved in the queue for a while before it moves to proposed? re: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=libreoffice ("Accepted 6 hours ago")15:45
ricotzmarcustomlinson, the invalid package sits in *Acccepted* and is likely blocking the fixed package to transition15:45
Laneyno, after being accepted it would leave the unapproved queue immediately15:46
LaneyI don't know what on earth is going on with that15:47
Laneyperhaps ask on #launchpad15:47
Laneymentoning the orig mismatch situation15:47
Laneydid Timo say if there was any weird message when accepting?15:48
marcustomlinsonLaney: I didn't get any response from him15:48
marcustomlinsondidn't even know he approved it15:48
Laneyok, well I think a Launchpad person would be able to say if this is expected or whatever15:48
Laneyperhaps the version number needs bumping, they could confirm15:48
marcustomlinsonLaney: idea on who to ping though?15:48
Laneysupport contact in the topic there!15:49
marcustomlinsonah thanks15:49
marcustomlinsonstill though, hellsworth and ricotz, I don't need upload right to do this chasing up15:49
hellsworthfair enough15:50
ricotzagreed, but that would be the task of the one who processes the queue :(15:51
KGB-2gnome-control-center tags dd4fd07 Sebastien Bacher upstream/3.37.3 * Upstream version 3.37.3 * https://deb.li/mt1x15:51
KGB-2gnome-control-center upstream/latest b0adb13 Sebastien Bacher * pushed 203 commits * https://deb.li/3rtSh15:51
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marcustomlinsonLaney saves the day16:11
Laneywhat a weird failure16:12
Laneythink we were right to flag the LP team about it16:12
marcustomlinsonhellsworth: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:6.4.5-0ubuntu0.20.04.116:15
hellsworththanks :)16:16
marcustomlinsonalso hellsworth: you should join #launchpad on freenode. "For all your Launchpad needs!"16:16
hellsworthokey dokey16:16
ricotzthank you!16:17
dustseb128, after the update today of thunderbird 78.1 to 78.1.1 the appgrid started the 68 version... uninstalled bot and reinstalled 78.1.1 but now at start it dosnt load my old 78 profile... how can i start 78.1.1 with my old 78.1 profile?16:20
oSoMoNtime for me to log off for summer holidays, take care everyone and tty all in a couple of weeks16:26
Laneyhf oSoMoN!16:26
Laney🏖😎16:27
Laneydunno if that made it before he quit or not16:27
marcustomlinsonhave fun oSo...16:28
marcustomlinsonah16:28
marcustomlinsonI'm out too, have a good one everybody16:28
hellsworthcheers!16:32
hellsworthkenvandine: could you please rerun some autopkgtests for me: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rjkqN7mZqD/16:48
seb128dust, you use the snap on edge? I used edge temporarly to roll the new 68 serie update and then went back to 7817:02
dustif a snap package gets uninstalled the data folder gets uninstalled too? thats a huge bug!17:02
seb128I think uninstalling wiped your profile17:02
dustseb128, yes17:02
seb128try asking on #snappy instead about that behaviour17:03
seb128I'm unsure if that's a bug or by design17:03
seb128but yeah it sucks, I got bitten by that also recently17:03
Laneybye, happy weekend17:03
Laneydon't melt europeans!17:03
seb128(also uninstall/reinstalling is almost never a solution to software problems on linux)17:03
seb128Laney, enjoy!17:03
Laneythat needs a comma otherwise it means something quite different to what I want it to17:03
dustim only happy that i daily backups... and was able to restore... https://askubuntu.com/questions/181272/is-it-possible-to-restore-only-one-directory-with-the-backup-utility17:04
Laneydon't melt, europeans!17:04
dustseb128, so u did that in appgrid 68 was started instead of 78?17:05
kenvandinehellsworth: sure17:19
hellsworththank you :)17:19
kenvandinehellsworth: done17:20
hellsworthalso kenvandine i have gnome-3-28-1804 building for multiple archs so we can test and merge the preloads pr17:22
hellsworthhttps://code.launchpad.net/~hellsworth/+snap/gnome-3-28-1804-ad-preloads17:22
dusthttps://ubuntu.com/blog/how-to-create-snapshots-of-your-snaps are such done at snaps operations? would be great if its included in ubuntu software and the backups and zfs... as far as i see there is no such functionality for now17:33
KGB-0glib tags f47ac01 Simon McVittie upstream/2.65.1 * Upstream version 2.65.1 * https://deb.li/f4aM17:37
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hellsworthkenvandine: would yo uplease run some more autopkgtests for me? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/q3YmhbKKbz/19:31
kenvandinehellsworth: sure19:31
hellsworthoh no wait19:31
hellsworthstop19:31
kenvandineok19:31
hellsworthneed to tweak the links19:32
hellsworthhttps://paste.ubuntu.com/p/msVkrGbjhJ/19:33
hellsworthok those are the right links19:33
hellsworththanks kenvandine 19:33
kenvandineYou submitted an invalid request: Unknown PPA ubuntu/libreoffice-prereleases19:35
hellsworthi'm hoping these links will run autopkgtests on ubuntu/libreoffice-prereleases ppa19:35
kenvandinehellsworth: ^^19:35
hellsworthhmm19:35
hellsworthdarn19:35
hellsworthok let me copy them to my ppa then19:35
hellsworthkenvandine: ok try this please https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/msVkrGbjhJ/19:42
kenvandinethat's the same link19:42
hellsworthi meant the original link i pasted :) https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/q3YmhbKKbz/19:43
hellsworthsorry bout that. friday's getting to me19:44
kenvandineno worries19:44
kenvandinehellsworth: You submitted an invalid request: libreoffice/1:7.0.0~rc3-0ubuntu0.20.10.1 is not published in PPA hellsworth/libreoffice focal19:44
hellsworthhmm19:45
hellsworthfocal.. dangit19:45
hellsworthhttps://paste.ubuntu.com/p/J9hm7Yg6ct/19:46
hellsworththird time's the charm...19:46
hellsworthkenvandine: ^^19:46
kenvandineYou submitted an invalid request: libreoffice/1:7.0.0~rc3-0ubuntu0.20.10.1 is not published in PPA hellsworth/libreoffice groovy19:47
* kenvandine hides :)19:47
hellsworthvflkmdsaflkjfdsa;lkjdsa19:47
kenvandinelol19:47
hellsworthseriously though it failed or are you messing with me19:47
kenvandineseriously :)19:47
hellsworthdamnit19:47
hellsworthso the first link https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=groovy&arch=amd64&package=libreoffice&ppa=hellsworth/libreoffice&trigger=libreoffice/1:7.0.0~rc3-0ubuntu0.20.10.1 fails?19:49
kenvandineah19:49
kenvandinenot built19:49
hellsworthbecause that package is there19:49
kenvandineit's currently building19:49
hellsworthno no.. i made sure to not craft a link for the armhf one that is building19:50
hellsworthso the 4 links in the paste are already built19:50
kenvandineoh right19:50
hellsworthalthough they were not built in this repo. they were copied form another19:50
kenvandineshould be fine19:50
hellsworthbut that could be some random thing that lp requires who knows19:50
kenvandinethe error specifically says that version is not published 19:51
kenvandineso maybe the builds aren't really published yet19:51
hellsworthhmm19:51
kenvandinei think we need to give it a little time19:51
hellsworthok 19:51
kenvandinei'll try again in like 20 minutes19:52
hellsworthok ty19:52
hellsworthi'll try to remind you19:52
kenvandinei think there is a publisher that runs a few times an hour19:52
hellsworthok19:52
seb128the webpage show you a green circle icon when it's not published yet19:54
seb128kenvandine, did you try replacing the ~ by %7e  ?19:57
hellsworthoh i guess https://launchpad.net/~hellsworth/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice/+packages has an empty published field...19:57
seb128they have a green checkmark, they are published19:58
seb128random guess but I would try replacing the ~ by %7e in the url19:58
seb128urls don't like special chars, like + needs to be replaced by %2B19:59
kenvandinehellsworth: they worked now20:27
hellsworthwoot!21:06
hellsworththanks kenvandine 21:06
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KGB-1gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 82cb025 Georges Basile Stavracas Neto panels/power/cc-power-panel.c * power: Fix battery row * https://deb.li/3C54v21:26
KGB-1gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 8d48630 Georges Basile Stavracas Neto panels/power/cc-power-panel.c * power: Remove unused variable * https://deb.li/o1yz21:26
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