[01:07] <mx6523> !usb
[01:08] <mx6523> i got a persistent live install, is there a way to make it faster?
[01:08] <guiverc> installing on a real hdd/ssd comes to mind, thumb-drives are very slow at writing...
[01:10] <mx6523> i used mkusb to create a persistent live USB install, but maybe it would be faster if i installed with the ubuntu installer?
[01:26] <oerheks> any live iso is slow.
[04:27] <jimmyorrea> Hey guys, im pretty new at this so i would appreciate very specific help as if I was a child,hehehe . Tried installing lubuntu on an old computer using a bootable usb flashdrive, everything was ok until the very end where it says it cannot install the grub boot , ive tried several ways but im really really lost, id appreciate the help
[04:36] <jimmyorrea> i decided to go on installing it without the grub booter and it warned me “/vmlinuz kernel on partition /dev/sda2 and root= /dev/sda2” but i dont know what that is or how to type it
[04:51] <jimmyorrea> hey guys, im installing lubuntu with a usb flashdrive and everything ok untill the very end where it says “GRUB installation failed” “The ‘grub-efi-amd64-signed’ package failed to install into /target/ . Withoit the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot”..... i dont know what to do, help please
[05:05] <guiverc> hi jimmyorrea, sorry I'm not good at grub (I'd refresh myself by looking up details if I had to do it, but UEFI can complicate things that I'm not very familiar with), lubuntu is an official flavor, so you could try #ubuntu too
[05:07]  * guiverc adds, don't ask in both channels at the same time, give people a chance to answer like you've done here first :)
[06:05] <GChan0226> henlo
[06:08] <guiverc> GChan0226, Hi, if you have a Lubuntu support question, please ask it (try and keep to a single line, and be patient as people will respond when they can)
[06:09] <GChan0226> how to install lubuntu on a hp laptop with SSD storage
[06:09] <guiverc> Have you looked at the Lubuntu manaul, ie. https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/1/Installing_lubuntu.html
[06:10] <guiverc> (hdd or ssd, method is the same)
[06:12] <GChan0226> I am unable to continue at the 'setting up partitions' step, where the option 'erase disk' is nowhere to be seen.
[06:13] <guiverc> what release of Lubuntu?  If it has windows already installed, it needs to be cleanly shutdown (ie. no hibernate, no fastboot otherwise the unclean file-system will cause it to be ignored to prevent dataloss)
[06:18] <GChan0226> I am on 20.04.1 LTS. The laptop came with windows 10 preinstalled. I booted up Lubuntu with a USB. I pressed 'shut down' on windows before proceeding to power the laptop up again to the boot menu.
[06:19] <guiverc> actually on unclean fs I'd expect erase disk to show anyway, how old is the laptop (sorry I may not answer for awhile, called away)
[06:19] <GChan0226> 3 months old
[06:22] <GChan0226> btw, the only option available is 'manual partitioning'
[06:34] <guiverc> GChan0226, I would try using the manual partition option to remove ('-') all existing partitions... I recall having trouble with one device but it was awhile ago & no longer provides trouble.. when in manual partitioning do you see the current entries/partitioning?
[06:40] <guiverc> the other thing you could check (which should apply) is no partition is mounted; if any partition is mouned erase disk won't be clickable... (exit calamares/installer & use kde partition manager to unmount, then exit kde partition manager & re-start calamares)
[06:40] <guiverc> GChan0226, ^
[06:41] <guiverc> that's usually an issue for me if 'swap' is detected on 'live' boot, it's used to speed performane, it may impact you if you explored your ssd before starting installer/calamares
[06:49] <sanc40m> hi guys good day
[06:50] <sanc40m> downloaded twice yesterday
[06:50] <sanc40m> all two downloads have errors
[06:51] <sanc40m> was not able to make them boot from usb
[06:52] <guiverc> sanc40m, what release did you download?  (I'm assuming Lubuntu)
[06:54] <guiverc> the manual link for installation is https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/1/Installing_lubuntu.html (contains details on downloading.. & writing media etc)
[06:54] <GChan0226> I can see that there are 4 partitions
[06:54] <GChan0226> I don't understand what is the mounting of partitions
[06:56] <guiverc> You `mount` a partition to explore what files/directories are on it, so exploration of a ssd before install (looking at what's there) could cause a `mount` to occur.  It's a command, but is an operation by file manager (pcmanfm-qt) in exploration (pcmanfm-qt does command for you)
[06:59] <GChan0226> I opened up kde partition manager and I checked that only the bigger partition is mounted
[07:00] <GChan0226> clicking 'unmount' result in fails
[07:00] <GChan0226> 'The file system on partition /dev/nvme0n1p3 could not be unmounted.'
[07:01] <GChan0226> Details:
[07:02] <GChan0226> Command: umount --verbose --all-targets /dev/nvme0n1p3
[07:02] <GChan0226> unmount: /cdrom: target is busy
[07:03] <guiverc> ensure you are looking at your ssd, /cdrom will refer to your install media (thumb-drive most probably)
[08:09] <doc499> i'm trying to install 20.04.1 from a usb key on a toshiba laptop. first time during bootup when it runs a file check it found one error but still booted into lxqt (cont.)
[08:09] <doc499> since there was no message about which file was in error i decided to re-write the iso on the key to hopefully correct the error (cont.)
[08:10] <doc499> then when i booted from the usb key i got a kernel panic about not syncing, no init found
[08:11] <doc499> is there a way to check the file system integrity on the key without booting from it? i can access it from a file manager
[08:11] <doc499> also, does this suggest that the iso was not written correctly to the usb key? maybe the key itself is defective
[08:11] <doc499> just trying to troubleshoot here
[08:11] <guiverc> did you verify the ISO (unlikely but still worth checking on issues), but most importantly the write to install media needs validation (the squashfs contians ALL files so pointing out the file is pointless when they're squashed together; all are good or all are wrong)
[08:12] <doc499> guiverc, yeah i ran 256shasum and it was correct
[08:12] <guiverc> the write to thumb-drive is the most likely issue I have..
[08:13] <doc499> i suppose i can just try re-writing it again and checking. it did boot the last time even after the error message about the one file error, so it might be the key that's defective
[08:13] <guiverc> there are many types of ISO files, not all writing tools cope with all, so I'd suggest trying another tool. the manual suggests what has been tested (for windows, mac & of course GNU/Linux)
[08:14] <doc499> guiverc, i was using dd
[08:14] <doc499> dd bs=4M if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdb conv=fdatasync
[08:14] <guiverc> :)  `dd` is good...  try another thumb-drive maybe..  did you `sync` post completion to ensure all data written
[08:15] <doc499> guiverc, see my previous post of the command used
[08:17] <guiverc> I don't use that conv=, my last iso write was `sudo dd bs=4M oflag=sync status=progress of=/dev/sdb if=/de2900/lubuntu_64/focal-desktop-amd64.iso`  but by sync I meant `sudo sync` to ensure any buffers in memory get written to devices (ie. flush buffers from ram)
[08:21] <doc499> guiverc, before i used to use && sync at the end of the command, then somewhere i read about dd's built-in conv=fdatasync option, so maybe i'll just go back to && sync and see if that makes a difference
[08:22] <doc499> it is a cheap "walgreens" usb drive, so that could be an issue as well
[08:22] <doc499> it's not very old thought
[08:22] <guiverc> I'm not aware of fdatasync... you maybe right & it's not needed... it was a thought I had so offered it.
[08:22] <doc499> well, i'll just use the && sync command and see how it goes
[08:23] <guiverc> Yeah I've had 3/5 "new" verbatim (pack of 5) that won't hold a valid ISO, annoying with current lockdown as I can't return & swap..
[08:23] <guiverc> I won't buy verbatim again though!
[08:27]  * guiverc is away
[08:32] <doc499> ok gonna reboot and see, thanks for your help
[09:03] <lubuntu_> i just installed lubuntu 20.04.1 on a toshiba laptop, but when i boot it just drops to a grub command line and not a menu
[09:03] <lubuntu_> i'm on the livecd right now trying to troubleshoot
[09:03] <lubuntu_> i had 18.04 lts previously installed and reformatted the / partition
[09:04] <lubuntu_> however, there was a /dev/sda1 partition of about 34mb that i left alone, so maybe i did something wrong during installation
[09:05] <lubuntu_> is on /dev/sda3 as it was before
[09:05] <lubuntu_> root / is on /dev/sda3 as it was before
[09:05] <lubuntu_> did i need to make a bios/grub boot flag on /dev/sda1 during installation?
[09:07] <lubuntu_> i'm trying to salvage this without having to do the entire installation again
 Guys pls help,  … Iam having an old desktop, running on win 7. It is very slow now in browsing. I ve only 2 gb ram, core 2duo 2.5 ghz, 500 gb hardisk . I tried ubuntu but it is slower than 7. I am going to install lubuntu now, but there are two versions 18.4 and 20.4 , which one is better?
 Do you have any suggestions for me? I just wanna browse faster
[09:11] <lubuntu_> this is the current layout: https://dpaste.com/BESYTCBKH
[09:12] <guiverc> @Aj, O
 What
[09:12] <guiverc> I'd suggest 20.04 as it has more supported life (3 years from 2020-April), 18.04 reaches EOL in 2021-April (3 years from 2018-April)
 Ok thanka
 Thanks
[09:12] <guiverc> I tested both using a c2d 2GB thinkpad sl510... so both are okay
 Okay
 I will try the 20.4 version
[09:13] <guiverc> with that limited RAM though, software choice is very important, and wrong software/app choices can waste your limited ram
 How much swap should i use
[09:14] <guiverc> 18.04 is GTK2 (very few GTK2 apps as most are GTK3), 20.04 is Qt5..
[09:14] <guiverc> Swap files can be used in both, so can be adjusted as needs require.   I'd say 4 or 5GB
 I only need to browse and stream live classes.
[09:15] <guiverc> 20.04 by default won't create SWAP, it's done manually (some don't like it, esp. those with SSDs). 18.04 defaults to having swap from memory
[09:16] <lubuntu_> guiverc: i was the other guy chatting with you about 15 mins about regarding the usb key issue
[09:16] <lubuntu_> i fixed that problem and installed, but now grub won't boot correctly from the hard disk, i must have done something wrong during setup
 What are u talking about
[09:19] <lubuntu_> the /dev/sda1 partition is 34mb in size and is an EFI system, but i didn't assign it to anything during setup, i just reformatted /dev/sda3 as / as it was previously with 18.04 and assigned /dev/sda4 as /home without reformatting. The install went fine, then when i boot into the new installation, it just drops to a grub command line prompt with no menu options
[09:21] <lubuntu_> here's the partition table layout: https://dpaste.com/BESYTCBKH
[09:21] <lubuntu_> i guess grub installed incorrectly during setup?
[09:22] <lubuntu_> it can't find my root partition or even show a menu?
[09:29] <lubuntu_> this was the advice i found in an askubuntu thread: https://dpaste.com/GPHG6E4X7
[09:29] <lubuntu_> haven't tried it yet
[09:33] <lubuntu_> there is no /boot/efi on the system partition
[09:34] <lubuntu_> i was create that directory and continue with the commands in the paste link
[09:38] <lubuntu_> if all else fails and i re-install, how would i assign /dev/sda1 during setup?
[09:43] <lubuntu_> i chroot to the system partition, created /boot/efi and tried to reinstall grub to /dev/sda and got the following error message: https://dpaste.com/9666EKM2P
[09:49] <lubuntu_> doing some more research, apparently, i was supposed to boot the install medium in efi mode
[09:51] <lubuntu_> i'm already booted into the install medium\
[09:52] <lubuntu_> [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo "EFI boot on HDD" || echo "Legacy boot on HDD"
[09:52] <lubuntu_> gives: EFI boot on HDD
[09:53] <lubuntu_> right now, i'm following these instructions: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall#Reinstalling_grub-efi_on_your_hard_drive
 Why the fuck people are using this bridge bot when they are seeking support. Its so freaking difficult to mention that person.
 Need to look with sharp eyes who's saying what to whom
[12:24] <guiverc> Please watch the language @nuhal697
 Why/what the fuck isnt an abuse towards any specific person fyi.
 Its nihal697 btw
[12:25] <guiverc> nihal697, I realize that, but the word itself maybe offensive.
 To the kittens probably
 @nihal697 [Why the fuck people are using this bridge bot when they are seeking support. Its …], because they write from the irc
 @nihal697 [To the kittens probably], to anyone
 @lubuntu_ [<lubuntu_> right now, i'm following these instructions: https://wiki.debian.org/ …], Does BIOS/firmware menu shows lubuntu/ubuntu entry to you?
 @N0um3n0 [because they write from the irc], Irc?
[12:32] <guiverc> fyi: user lubuntu_ left some time ago
 @N0um3n0 [to anyone], Only kittens, i dun understand why people turned to be softies all of a sudden
 @guiverc [<guiverc> fyi: user lubuntu_ left some time ago], Lmao
 Thanks for information
[12:34] <guiverc> @nihal697, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
 @guiverc [<guiverc> @nihal697, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList], O.o … Thanks !
[12:58] <tomreyn> nihal697: i'd say the irc end of the bridge was around a good while before the ones you're on. ;-)
[12:58] <tomreyn> * the one
 I'm going to switch to lubuntu from windows, is it ok to keep d and e drives as ntfs without formatting them?
 @Aj [I'm going to switch to lubuntu from windows, is it ok to keep d and e drives as …], Yeah completely fine. … Just read the guides and do not install lubuntu in the whole hard drive, otherwise it will be lost automatically
 @nihal697 [Yeah completely fine. … Just read the guides and do not install lubuntu in the who …], I am only formatting c
 @nihal697 [Yeah completely fine. … Just read the guides and do not install lubuntu in the who …], Bro, is lubuntu 20.4 fast  with 2 gb ram , core2 duo 2.5 ghz
 @Aj [I am only formatting c], Whatever u do, just read twice when u r in the installation process.
 @Aj [Bro, is lubuntu 20.4 fast  with 2 gb ram , core2 duo 2.5 ghz], Well, in comparison to other distros, yes definitely. … You can try bodhi linux or antiX also if you dont get satisfied with the performance of Lubuntu. But they are very minimal.
 @nihal697 [Well, in comparison to other distros, yes definitely. … You can try bodhi linux or …], Lubuntu 18.04 is working fine though
 @Aj [Lubuntu 18.04 is working fine though], ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 @Aj [Bro, is lubuntu 20.4 fast  with 2 gb ram , core2 duo 2.5 ghz], Very fast ;)
 @chikatambun [i have k43sj  board i want to upgrade the memory... will it support 1600MHz...? …], I don't know if it's still useful, but I have the same laptop here. I have upgraded ram. It doesn't run 1600mhz
 @Aj [Bro, is lubuntu 20.4 fast  with 2 gb ram , core2 duo 2.5 ghz], It's faster if you run the bare os. However, many modern tasks such as running office apps or web browser with Gmail/YouTube will be painful on any os. I strongly recommend you to consider upgrading your ram (even 4gb would be much much better)