[03:44] <tom_> .
[07:25] <paolo_> dropbpx doesn't work anymore on my kubuntu18.04.. if I launch the app nothing happen .. any suggestion hoe to fix it ?
 @paolo_, Drop dropbox
[08:43] <user|85539> how much ram consumption kubuntu?
[08:43] <user|85539> than ubuntu?
[08:44] <user|85539> ???
 @user|85539, much less
[08:46] <user|85539> hmmm thanks
[08:46] <user|85539> can i run steam on kubuntu?
 @user|85539, Yes. I am doing it since 4 years.
 Works very well.
 Use Kubuntu 20.04!
 the software store on Kubuntu is called "discover". Go there to install steam.
[08:48] <user|85539> Great!  do use with wine or steam official version?
 @user|85539, Steam is official and native for Linux. No wine required.
[08:49] <user|85539> ok. I use Ubuntu 18.04 for 7 months.
 There even is a thing called "steam play". that is a part of steam and helps to play windows games on Kubuntu. Works much better than using wine itself.
 @user|85539, Great!
[08:49] <user|85539> really ? :D
 ever tried steam?
[08:49] <user|85539> yes ı use on ubuntu
 @user|85539, yes
[08:50] <user|85539> but i cant play gta5
[08:50] <user|85539> available steam play for ubuntu?
 do you know protondb?
[08:52] <user|85539> nope
 https://www.protondb.com/app/271590
 gta5 should work fine
 filter by "20.04"
[08:55] <user|85539> also Epic Games Launcher?
[08:56] <user|85539> anyway. kubuntu supports snap and deb. packages?
[08:56] <user|85539> i use keepasxc
[08:56] <user|85539> i need iy
[08:56] <user|85539> it*
 @user|85539, no
[08:56] <user|85539> why
 @user|85539, lutris might work though, but I have never used it.
[08:57] <Unit193> !info keepasssxc
 @user|85539, because epic does not support a linux version.
[08:57] <user|85539> okay
[08:57] <user|85539> !info keepass
 @ubottu, there is a snap for that!
[08:57] <user|85539> :)
[08:58] <Unit193> keepassxc also exists in repos..
[08:58] <Unit193> (Helps if I spell it right!)
[08:59] <user|85539> i have 8GB Ram intelcore i7 2.40GHz 1TB HDD. Should i switch to Kubuntu? Or should i stay with ubuntu?
 actually keepassxc exists in the repo for 20.04 AND in the snapstore.
 LOL!
 You were faster
[09:00] <user|85539> which subject?
 @user|85539, I would always use Kubuntu. Easier on the resources and better UI. But that is a personal preference. Try Kubuntu and compare. It's free!
 And come back if you have any questions. We will try to help!
 @user|85539, I was talking to Unit193. He corrected first.
 @user|85539, When you install steam via discover software center, make sure that you choose "steam installer"!
[09:06] <Unit193> He's gone man.
 hehe
 he seemed a bit flaky. 😉
 @Unit193, But seriously, I am still on Kubuntu 18.04. Thinking about upgrading with the point 1 release now.
 Do you know if steam works well now?
[09:09] <Unit193> Never used steam before, so alas I cannot answer this.
 @linuxophil, for me steam works find on 18.04.latest LTS
 installed directly from website back then and continued to work ever since
 @Unit193, Fair enough
 @My1xT, Oh! Sacrilege!
 😉
 I was always installing debs from the official sites for most software
 @My1xT, But what about updates?
[09:13] <Unit193> Ouch, a lot of upstreams don't know the first thing about Debian packaging, so you end up with weird hacks and of course they also sometimes install to /opt.
 the debs bring repos along
 and in the case of steam specifically, it also updates itself if needed
 like I have tried a few browsers like chrome or opera which likely wouldnt be in the kubuntu software center as they are proprietary and Discover updates them all
 @My1xT, Any specific reason to not use snaps or flatpaks?
 for the browsers that is.
 Steam is always kept up to date even in the repos.
 honestly never really used them but out of snap flatpak etc i prefer appimages as they dont need installing or root, also when downloading them, the website offered them as deb
 Because it is acually only the installer that is kept in the repos.
 @My1xT, fair enough
 I mean where am I supposed to get a flatpak or snap from
 appimages to me feel a lot like portable applications on windows which makes them pretty nice for me at least
 @My1xT, Flatpak I do not know, but snaps are already built into every Kubuntu.
 Are you using 20.04 or 18.04?
 18.04 but currently on hiatus as my main user seems kinda dead
 (login screen freezes down upon login)
 @My1xT, True. I also use some of them. But for programs that need updates, appimages are suboptimal.
 yeah for the few I do use appimages they just update themselves
 @My1xT, Oh., Then it is time for 20.04 anyway. 😉 Then you will find snaps via discover.
 but true for fully installed software the centralized updates are cool
 @My1xT, yep
 @linuxophil, of proprietary software?
 @My1xT, All snaps
 but why should I even use a snap or flatpak if the deb works totally fine?
 The portal (snapstore) ist just integrated into discover.
 @My1xT, Because you avoid potential dependency hell.
 And you get confinement.
 confinement?
 https://snapcraft.io/
 permission management like on mobile OSses.
 but how are they supposed to get a snap for something that isnt officially released as snap and proprietary, wouldnt that be instant legal hell=
 also google chrome for example isnt on snapcraft which isnt surprising
 chromium is but if chrome is needed that wont help
 or brave AND vivaldi which are both open source arent on snapcraft either
[10:54] <Alexxxxx> Hi, How to change Application Dashboard background?
[10:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
 (Photo, 1280x791) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/qYziblqm/file_34623.jpg I'm getting no sound in Kubuntu 20.04.1 (fresh install). S/PDIF in ALSAMIXER won't go up. I can see the audio bars in PAVUCONTROL jump as sound is played. Speakers are OK. Worked fine in Ubuntu 20.04. Any ideas?
[11:10] <BluesKaj> @ronnietucker check the automute in alsamixer, it's muted by default, disable the automute
[11:11] <BluesKaj> and spdif normally  doesn't have a volume ctrl
 @BluesKaj, yeah automute is disabled
 @BluesKaj, ah. OK.  :)
[11:22] <BluesKaj> @ronnietucker, intel audio chip?
 @BluesKaj, I believe so, yes.
[11:24] <BluesKaj> ok, run this , sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel, if the driver loads properly there will be no output from the command, then reboot
 no output, so I'll try a reboot...
 @BluesKaj, Nope. Still not a peep.
[11:37] <BluesKaj> using analog out or spdif/hdmi ? check your audio device/profile selection in system settings>hardware>audio>advanced
 @BluesKaj> using analog out or spdif/hdmi ? check your audio device/profile selection in system settings>hardware>audio, using SPDIF. HDMI is OFF.
[11:52] <BluesKaj> using digital stereo? then hdmi should be on even if you don't use that connection since it's fed from spdif
[11:52] <BluesKaj> in some cases spdif is off if hdmi is off
 @BluesKaj, I can enable it in PAVUCONTROL, but everything is unplugged and unavailable. I'll enable it anyway...
[11:54] <BluesKaj> and of course check your vol ctrl in the audio icon in the panel
 @BluesKaj, All at 100%. Still no sound.
[11:57] <eeos> Hi everybody! There is still no way of upgrading to 20.04 LTS from 18.04 LTS using do-release-upgrade. Do you know of a way to upgrade without losing configuration and without using do-release-upgrade?
[12:00] <BluesKaj> eeos, have aptience, the point is not ready so I'm assuming there are no release upgrades available yet
[12:01] <BluesKaj> patience even
[12:02] <BluesKaj> @ronnietucker, the I'm out of ideas, unless it's a hardware/connection/cable etc problem
[12:02] <BluesKaj> then
 @BluesKaj, Same hardware and cables wiere fine with Ubuntu 20.04. It's certainly an odd one.
[12:05] <BluesKaj> check your audio device choice in VLC or the player you use, it's all I can think of atm
 @BluesKaj, But I don't even get the test sounds or system sounds in KDE.
[12:08] <BluesKaj> check F6/soundcard in alsamixer
 Tried both [default] and 'HDA Intel'. Still nothing.
[12:10] <BluesKaj> then I'm stumped, but I could be forgetting something, linux audio is such a dog's breakfast it's not hard to miss something
 @BluesKaj, Is it worthwhile uninstalling/reinstalling PulseAudio? Or is it not doing much here?
[12:14] <BluesKaj> I have successfully run without pulseaudio for yrs in the past , but since FF started using it I've bit the bullet and installed it on my system, but if live web audio isn't important then one can have good audio without pulse.
[12:15] <BluesKaj> using intel audio only tho
 I'll maybe give it a try later. Thanks for the help though.
[12:19] <BluesKaj> @ronnietucker, there's one more thingg to try, open /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf/ and add this line to the bottom, options snd-hda-intel index=0
[12:39] <DuckyBlender> Hello
[12:39] <DuckyBlender> I have a problem
[12:42] <raghukamath> hey guys, is plasma theme explorer present in kubuntu 20.04?
[12:43] <raghukamath> http://notmart.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/plasmathemeexplorer.png this one
[12:44] <BluesKaj> , application style, plasma style etc, yes
[12:46] <raghukamath> May I know where in the system setting i can find it. I can't find the window that is shown in the screenshort shown in the link above
[12:50] <Dragnslcr> System Settings -> Appearance
[12:51] <Dragnslcr> There are Global Theme and Plasma Style settings
[13:00] <miro__> hello
[13:02] <miro__> what this is about?
[13:02] <diogenes_> !topic | miro__
[13:03] <miro__> thx diogenes
[13:04] <raghukamath> Dragnslcr: yes but those are not editable and I didn't find a way to open this http://notmart.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/plasmathemeexplorer.png window
[13:07] <BluesKaj> plasma theme explorer is not available for 20.04, it's not in the repos/package manager ... an outside source perhaps a ppa on launchpad
[13:07] <BluesKaj> raghukamath,^
[13:08] <raghukamath> okay
[13:23] <raghukamath> BluesKaj: i found it . it is avilable if you install plasma-sdk
[13:23] <raghukamath> thanks
 @BluesKaj, STILL nothing.  :D
 @ronnietucker, If you live boot to a 20.04.1 session, does sound work?
 @DarinMiller, Good question, I'll give it a try.
 @DarinMiller, Nope. No sound in the live Kubuntu.
 So 20.04.0 worked, but 20.04.1 fails, correct? I don't recall if you already mentioned, is this a dual boot PC?
 @DarinMiller, I was using Ubuntu 20.04, but installed Kubuntu 20.04.1 over it. Sound worked OK in Ubuntu, but not in Kubuntu (for some reason). No hardware changes.
 So to get back verified working system, did you try a live session of Ubuntu or earlier version of Kubuntu? Roughly speaking: sound is managed by the kernel, a sound server (jack or pulseaudio) , maybe a sound driver (alsa) and/or sound framework (i.e. phonon) and routed to the appropriate outputs by the DE.  So I am not sure what issue we are fighting.
 I've had my Ubuntu since about 18.10 (maybe 18.04) which has upgraded over time to reach 20.04. I just decided the other day to try Kubuntu. Tried the live DVD, worked fine (never checked the sound though) and installed it over Ubuntu.
 It seems to be something that KDE is doing... ?
 When I have fought sound issues in the past, I have accidentally disconnected, turned off or muted  hw channels and blamed the sw.  So I am attempting to cover the bases.  Have you checked headphone vs line out vs hdmi outs to see any of the outputs are working?  (Again I apologize for late entry into the conversation, is this a laptop or desktop?)
 @DarinMiller, It's a desktop machine. The speakers worked fine with Ubuntu, so it's not them. Even then I still tried a new speaker just in case. … Checked the volumes. All at 100%. Even tried ALSAMIXER. All OK. PAVUCONTROL shows the audio bars moving as sound plays, but nothing through the speaker.
 Do you have headset jack on your PC and a headset you can test?  Sometimes the headset port will preempt the line out if SW thinks a headset is plugged in.
 Got it! … Apparently I have two audio outputs on the back of my PC. For some reason it seems that Kubuntu decided to use this other output.
 Yes!
 I also found a LOT of dust and fluff behind my PC  😁
 Kubuntu does allow you to specify the default output and direct sound per application to the desired hw.
[18:38] <Roey> hi
[18:39] <Roey> my sound system has this nasty annoying bug and I was hoping someone here could help me solve it.  So - Microsoft Teams has an issue "connecting", as does Zoom, and Youtube hangs with a circular cursor, and Skyrim laaaaags before it shows the menu, and I think it's due to the Bluetooth speaker.
[18:39] <Roey> ok, so I turned bluetooth off.
[18:39] <Roey> I open pavucontrol and it says "waiting to establish connection"
[18:40] <Roey> doens't show me nothing.
[18:40] <Roey> what can I try next to diagnose this weird issue?
[18:40] <Roey> DarinMiller: ^
[18:40] <Roey> oh hi raghukamath
[18:40] <Roey> and Dragnslcr
 Guys. Doesnt gnome extensions work in lubuntu
 Never tried gnome extensions on KUBUNTU.  By chance, did you intend to ask on the lubutu channel?
[19:55] <oerheks> interesting thought, mixing gnome and lxde
[19:56] <oerheks> for gnome one should install gnome-tweak-tool, to control extentions..
[23:56] <tgp1994> Hey everyone, I'm currently stuck on 19.10 and having issues with do-release-upgrade. When I run the tool, the last output I see is the URL to check upgrade information. After that, it hangs without any output until I cancel it. It has a lengthy traceback which I've pasted here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VFnkKGtxyk/ Could someone help please?