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| ddstreet | o/ | 18:58 |
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| sil2100 | o/ | 18:58 |
| rbasak | o/ | 18:58 |
| rafaeldtinoco | o/ | 18:59 |
| sil2100 | Guess that's a quorum, I think it's my time to chair, right? | 19:01 |
| rafaeldtinoco | Upcoming: Łukasz, Teward, Rafael, Dan, Robie, Eric <wrap> | 19:01 |
| rafaeldtinoco | yep | 19:01 |
| sil2100 | #startmeeting DMB meeting | 19:01 |
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| sil2100 | #topic Review of previous action items | 19:02 |
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| sil2100 | #subtopic rafaeldtinoco to check edubuntu seed <-> pkgset relationship (generation) and if edubuntu pkgsets can be dropped (carried over) | 19:02 |
| rafaeldtinoco | I think this is duplicated | 19:02 |
| rafaeldtinoco | ddstreet: ^ did you have this also ? | 19:02 |
| rafaeldtinoco | (last item) | 19:02 |
| sil2100 | Ah, indeed | 19:03 |
| ddstreet | rafaeldtinoco yeah i think that's a new one on my action list | 19:03 |
| sil2100 | ddstreet: any progress? Or should we carry over? | 19:03 |
| ddstreet | new from last mtg | 19:03 |
| ddstreet | no progress sorry, plz carry over | 19:03 |
| sil2100 | Ok then | 19:04 |
| sil2100 | #subtopic rafaeldtinoco to create, for now, a small "what-to-do" for pkgset changes in -devel (document exceptions inclusion for DMB team) (carried over) | 19:04 |
| rafaeldtinoco | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers/SeedsAndAutomatedPkgsets | 19:04 |
| rafaeldtinoco | and its a Makefile now | 19:04 |
| rafaeldtinoco | this is the "quick what to do" | 19:04 |
| rafaeldtinoco | it will get better (as the long standing item) | 19:04 |
| rafaeldtinoco | for now you can consider done | 19:05 |
| sil2100 | Ok, thanks! I'll have to read that up - today I quickly wanted to use it but it errored out when I tried running `make fetch` | 19:05 |
| rafaeldtinoco | just ping me | 19:05 |
| sil2100 | But I didn't look into the details, need to try again | 19:05 |
| rafaeldtinoco | sure thing | 19:05 |
| sil2100 | I was too busy with pointy-release stuff | 19:05 |
| sil2100 | #subtopic rafaeldtinoco link team delegation from dmb kb page when reading ddstreet updates (carried over) | 19:06 |
| rbasak | rafaeldtinoco: nicely done - thanks! | 19:06 |
| rbasak | Is that linked to from anywhere? | 19:06 |
| rafaeldtinoco | that is this item ^ | 19:06 |
| rafaeldtinoco | and no, where should I like it ? | 19:06 |
| rafaeldtinoco | (it will get bigger and more detailed) | 19:06 |
| rbasak | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase is the general starting point for DMB-internal docs | 19:06 |
| rafaeldtinoco | ok | 19:06 |
| rbasak | (internal as in not relevant to anyone but active DMB members, but public of course) | 19:06 |
| rafaeldtinoco | sil2100: mark this as carried over then., it will be done next meeting | 19:07 |
| rafaeldtinoco | rbasak: tku | 19:07 |
| sil2100 | Sure o/ | 19:07 |
| ItzSwirlz | o/ | 19:07 |
| sil2100 | #subtopic DMB to vote at next mtg(s) on controlling the membership access for the OEM enablement metapackages | 19:07 |
| rbasak | I was distracted during the previous meeting, sorry. | 19:08 |
| rbasak | But AIUI, there's nothing being done here yet, except to define a packageset? | 19:08 |
| sil2100 | Yeah, so I'm reading the previous meeting logs now | 19:08 |
| sil2100 | I think we agreed that we would just be creating a packageset and delegating the management of those permissions to ubuntu-archive, correct? | 19:09 |
| rafaeldtinoco | As a first step towards making this self service for that team, I'd like | 19:09 |
| rafaeldtinoco | to ask the DMB to consider making a packageset for this purpose. | 19:09 |
| rafaeldtinoco | Initially it'll have no uploaders apart from ~ubuntu-core-dev, so we're | 19:09 |
| rafaeldtinoco | considering the set itself only right now. | 19:09 |
| sil2100 | Is this something we should vote on? | 19:09 |
| rafaeldtinoco | this is the core part for now | 19:09 |
| rafaeldtinoco | we will have people applying for upload rights later | 19:10 |
| rafaeldtinoco | iirc | 19:10 |
| sil2100 | Ok, so only voting on creating the packageset for now with core-dev as members, without team delegation? | 19:10 |
| rafaeldtinoco | i would set the team ready | 19:10 |
| rafaeldtinoco | just so we dont need AA later | 19:10 |
| rafaeldtinoco | this way we can manage permissions as they apply | 19:11 |
| rbasak | Create a team maybe, and add only ~ubuntu-core-dev to it initially | 19:11 |
| rafaeldtinoco | yep | 19:11 |
| rafaeldtinoco | then we are good to go for applications | 19:11 |
| sil2100 | Do we want to define the initial packageset contents formally? | 19:12 |
| rbasak | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase#Personal_packagesets_and_glob_expansions is prior art for "glob-based" packagesets | 19:12 |
| rbasak | There, the formal packageset contents was defined in the packageset description using the glob pattern | 19:12 |
| rafaeldtinoco | yep | 19:12 |
| rafaeldtinoco | m tells me | 19:13 |
| rafaeldtinoco | that packageset permissions can be added if a source package exists | 19:13 |
| rafaeldtinoco | *anywhere* (i.e. in a PPA), not just in Ubuntu. So there would be a | 19:13 |
| rafaeldtinoco | script which enumerates a staging PPA and adds packages found there | 19:13 |
| rafaeldtinoco | which match the glob 'oem-*-meta' to the packageset. | 19:13 |
| sil2100 | Yeah, so the glob here would be oem-*-meta | 19:13 |
| rafaeldtinoco | they want source packages to come automatically from a staging ppa | 19:13 |
| sil2100 | Ok, so let me formulate the vote then | 19:13 |
| rbasak | rafaeldtinoco: I would prefer to require the glob to be driven from the archive, not from a PPA | 19:13 |
| rbasak | I'm not sure a packageset containing a package not in the archive would work anyway | 19:14 |
| rafaeldtinoco | rbasak: what are the cons ? | 19:14 |
| rafaeldtinoco | ah i see | 19:14 |
| ddstreet | that was a concern for me also rbasak, driving the packageset from a ppa is essentially opening a backdoor into the archive | 19:14 |
| rbasak | It's confusing, because the DMB's remit relates to the archive only | 19:14 |
| rafaeldtinoco | you mean an upload for a source that we dont have | 19:14 |
| rafaeldtinoco | yep | 19:14 |
| rbasak | And also what ddstreet says | 19:14 |
| rbasak | The process would be: | 19:14 |
| rbasak | Get a core dev or MOTU sponsored upload into the archive | 19:15 |
| rbasak | Get an AA to do the NEW review | 19:15 |
| rbasak | Ask the DMB to run the script to update the packageset using the glob pattern | 19:15 |
| rbasak | In that order | 19:15 |
| sil2100 | Are we ready to vote on the base part? | 19:15 |
| rafaeldtinoco | what is the NEW review ? | 19:16 |
| rafaeldtinoco | rbasak: ^ | 19:16 |
| ddstreet | sil2100 is there specific wording that we're voting on now? | 19:16 |
| rafaeldtinoco | sil2100: I think we are all +1 on this, currently discussing the implementation | 19:16 |
| sil2100 | #vote Creation of a new canonical-oem-metapackages packageset and owning team for the glob expansion of oem-*-meta, initially having ~ubuntu-core-dev as the only member | 19:17 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Creation of a new canonical-oem-metapackages packageset and owning team for the glob expansion of oem-*-meta, initially having ~ubuntu-core-dev as the only member | 19:17 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 19:17 |
| sil2100 | (we need a formal vote) | 19:17 |
| sil2100 | Did I get this right? | 19:17 |
| rbasak | +1 assuming that the glob expansion will be performed from archive packages only | 19:18 |
| meetingology | +1 assuming that the glob expansion will be performed from archive packages only received from rbasak | 19:18 |
| ddstreet | +1 for pkgset and team creation | 19:18 |
| meetingology | +1 for pkgset and team creation received from ddstreet | 19:18 |
| sil2100 | +1 | 19:18 |
| meetingology | +1 received from sil2100 | 19:18 |
| rafaeldtinoco | +1 for both | 19:18 |
| meetingology | +1 for both received from rafaeldtinoco | 19:18 |
| sil2100 | #endvote | 19:18 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Creation of a new canonical-oem-metapackages packageset and owning team for the glob expansion of oem-*-meta, initially having ~ubuntu-core-dev as the only member | 19:18 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 19:18 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 19:18 |
| sil2100 | Ok, motion carried, yes, we can proceed with implementation details | 19:18 |
| sil2100 | ;) | 19:18 |
| rafaeldtinoco | sorry, had in my head this was already voted previously | 19:19 |
| rafaeldtinoco | thanks | 19:19 |
| ddstreet | i think at the last mtg we said it would be better to defer the specific pkgset operation to ubuntu-archive or ubuntu-sru team, is that right? and dmb would only manage team membership? | 19:19 |
| sil2100 | I don't think it was, as the action item was to vote on it now | 19:19 |
| rafaeldtinoco | ddstreet: we did say that | 19:20 |
| rafaeldtinoco | but never agreed | 19:20 |
| sil2100 | Yeah | 19:20 |
| rafaeldtinoco | im thinking if that would be easier for them | 19:20 |
| ddstreet | i do agree with rbasak on the concerns around the implementation, but maybe that's best for a different team to work out? | 19:20 |
| rbasak | AIUI then, we'd define the glob expansion (ie. define the script that does the glob expansion) but ~ubuntu-archive or ~ubuntu-sru would actually run it? | 19:21 |
| rbasak | If that's considered useful, then sure | 19:21 |
| rafaeldtinoco | im ok with that | 19:21 |
| ddstreet | i'm ok either way | 19:21 |
| rafaeldtinoco | rbasak: would that be a burden for the sru team ? | 19:21 |
| rafaeldtinoco | thinking on what would be best for all (SRU team and this new team) | 19:21 |
| sil2100 | Same here, I don't think it's that much of a deal to actually need to be delegated though | 19:22 |
| rafaeldtinoco | if its just running a script | 19:22 |
| rafaeldtinoco | i can do it with the weekly pkgset | 19:22 |
| rbasak | The SRU team aren't used to managing packagesets or running recognising weird edge cases to run appropriate scripts | 19:22 |
| rafaeldtinoco | pkgset <-> seed sync | 19:22 |
| rafaeldtinoco | i can run both together | 19:22 |
| rafaeldtinoco | do we have a "production" place | 19:22 |
| rafaeldtinoco | to land those things ? | 19:23 |
| rbasak | I'm not refusing to do it on behalf of the SRU team or anything, but I'm not sure it's going to be helpful. In practice it'll end up getting missed I think | 19:23 |
| sil2100 | I'd say let's leave it under our control for now | 19:23 |
| ddstreet | sounds like rafaeldtinoco is taking an action item to add it to the tooling then? :) | 19:23 |
| rafaeldtinoco | rbasak: that is understood | 19:23 |
| rafaeldtinoco | ddstreet: its ok for me.. i was just wondering | 19:23 |
| rafaeldtinoco | is my home the best place to run cron jobs ? | 19:23 |
| rbasak | I'm with sil2100. Let's leave it under our control for now. | 19:23 |
| rafaeldtinoco | should I deploy it somewhere ? | 19:23 |
| rbasak | We don't have a good place to cron it from | 19:23 |
| rafaeldtinoco | ok, it will continue here then | 19:24 |
| rbasak | We could start by just responding to a ping from an uploader who is stuck | 19:24 |
| rbasak | And then go from there | 19:24 |
| sil2100 | Ok, let's put some action items | 19:24 |
| sil2100 | Who wants to take the actual team and packageset creation? | 19:24 |
| rbasak | I'll take it | 19:24 |
| rafaeldtinoco | cool. i can do the scripting | 19:24 |
| rafaeldtinoco | and crontabing | 19:24 |
| rafaeldtinoco | if needed (or should we wait applicants first ?) | 19:25 |
| sil2100 | #action rbasak to take care of the canonical-oem-metapackages packageset and owning team creation | 19:25 |
| meetingology | ACTION: rbasak to take care of the canonical-oem-metapackages packageset and owning team creation | 19:25 |
| sil2100 | rbasak: guess it needs the TB, right? | 19:25 |
| sil2100 | (I always forget) | 19:25 |
| rbasak | rafaeldtinoco: personally I'd wait until managing it manually becomes painful | 19:25 |
| rbasak | But I have no objection if you want to run ahead with it | 19:25 |
| rafaeldtinoco | manually it is | 19:25 |
| rbasak | Yes - packageset creation will need the TB. We have a process for requesting that | 19:25 |
| rafaeldtinoco | so we can all get used to it | 19:25 |
| sil2100 | I think we all have enough on our plates that it's best not to put additional scripting work ;) | 19:25 |
| rafaeldtinoco | sil2100: yes! | 19:25 |
| sil2100 | Ok, I think we have this sorted out then | 19:26 |
| sil2100 | #subtopic slashd to add Yaru to the desktop set for focal | 19:26 |
| sil2100 | I don't think slashd is here with us today? | 19:26 |
| sil2100 | Does anyone know if that is done? | 19:26 |
| ddstreet | looks like it's not done yet | 19:27 |
| ddstreet | and slashd is out today | 19:27 |
| sil2100 | Ok, let's carry that one over then | 19:27 |
| sil2100 | Last action item is a duplicate, and we discussed it already | 19:28 |
| sil2100 | We have no applicants today, so let's move to AOB | 19:28 |
| sil2100 | #topic AOB | 19:28 |
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| sil2100 | Anything to discuss otherwise? | 19:28 |
| sil2100 | I take that as a no! | 19:29 |
| sil2100 | Ok, I guess we can finish | 19:30 |
| sil2100 | #topic Select a chair for the next meeting | 19:30 |
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| sil2100 | That would be Teward, but I guess he's not here today | 19:30 |
| sil2100 | #endmeeting | 19:30 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Aug 10 19:30:47 2020 UTC. | 19:30 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-08-10-19.01.moin.txt | 19:30 |
| sil2100 | Thanks everyone! | 19:30 |
| rafaeldtinoco | sil2100: tku! | 19:30 |
| ddstreet | thanks! o/ | 19:30 |
| sil2100 | I'll update the Agenda now | 19:30 |
| rafaeldtinoco | o/ everyone | 19:30 |
| ItzSwirlz | have a gn/good day | 19:30 |
| ItzSwirlz | o/ | 19:31 |
| ItzSwirlz | Don't let the thunderstorms kill yall | 19:31 |
| teward | sil2100: nope not here because Hospital | 19:49 |
| teward | appendicitis | 19:49 |
| teward | they got the thing out but i am in recov until tomorrow | 19:50 |
| teward | still 'alive' barely though | 19:50 |
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