 It is more that you exchange some CPU cycles plus a bit of your (really fast) internal memory. And in return you get in-ram (compressed) SWAP space which is still pretty fast.
 And it improves system stability in some cases , since processes\ are killed when out of RAM/SWAP.
 It is not a silver bullet, using it wrongly may slow down your system too.
[09:37] <ubptgbot> Kent Johansen was added by: Kent Johansen
[09:37] <ubptgbot> <Kent Johansen> With the new Linux kernel 5.8 that has support for snapdragon 865, will we see more ubuntu touch for newer devices?
 there's no devices for ubuntu touch that run mainline on a qualcom chip
 so maybe in 3-ish years if the postmarketOS crew gets there
 the qualcom-based phones that run ubuntu touch use Halium, which means android kernel + libhybris
 because even if the kernel can run there, that doesn't mean there's drivers for everything else (modem, gpu, wifi, bluetooth, etc etc)
[09:54] <ubptgbot> <Kent Johansen> Thank you
 yeah I wish it's as simple as that but sadly it's not...
[10:17] <ubptgbot> issuen was added by: issuen
[10:31] <ubptgbot> <Kent Johansen> Has there been any attempt to create a program to somewhat automate porting to new devices be providing a correct set of files? Porting seems to be very manual and labour intensive, which almost makes it impossible to keep up with an ever increasing types of devices coming to market
[10:31] <ubptgbot> <Kent Johansen> *by..
 if lineageOS can't do it on android, what makes you think we'd be able to do it crossing a much bigger gap?
 @rogieroudshoorn [if lineageOS can't do it on android, what makes you think we'd be able to do it …], Its not that big gap actually
 On halium 9 it is matter of running kernel config checker in some cases
 For example on xiaomi-daisy
[11:15] <ubptgbot> <Omer Ori> Is there a way to initiate a secret chat on teleports? I can't find the option...
 @mateosalta [ok, pay yourself to a diffrent address, then when it ammounts something transfer …], Sailfish disappeared, Pesbuk and Twitter not working. Only able to get to login screen with Onion browser. Is it just a FP2 fault or general?
 @dave1152000 [Sailfish disappeared, Pesbuk and Twitter not working. Only able to get to login …], I assume you meant to say Sailbook instead of Sailfish
 @matv1 [I assume you meant to say Sailbook instead of Sailfish], Yes Sailbook - my mistake
 I still get a login screen for fb on Morph browser
 I just get a Network error
 Sailbook also still does work if you have the click. But i seems to have been removed from OpsenStore. Appearantly the old maintainer decided he didnt want to do it anymore. Someone else needs to take that on
 ah hang on. I am on edge channel on this phone. So it will probably be telated to QtWebEngine which is too old in stable channel
 sorry
 OK will try changing channel and see what happens
 you could try switching to edge (or maybe devel; I am not sure where the newer QtWebEngine has landed)
 disclaimer: you realise that edge channel is called that for a reason right 😉 ?
 @mrcyjanek [For example on xiaomi-daisy], Is that really fully functional?
 @rogieroudshoorn [Is that really fully functional?], Ask @gizlu, but I think thay yes
 Yes I'll try Dev first then Edge if that doesn't work.
 @rogieroudshoorn [Is that really fully functional?], [Edit] Ask @gizlu, but I think that yes
 @mrcyjanek [Ask @gizlu, but I think that yes], hmmk, i'm actually tempted to buy a newer oneplus and try it out then
 @rogieroudshoorn [hmmk, i'm actually tempted to buy a newer oneplus and try it out then], I recomment oneplus 6t c: it already have a working port
 I daily drive it
 tempting - but no video out and no headphone jack on that one right?
 Nah
 Ita fully working
 Except sim 1 slot and flashlight
 The second one have pending fix
 i meant hardware wise
 [Edit] Its fully working
 Oh
 Then yes
 Not sure about first one, never checked that.
 But for audio out i have usb c to jack
 @dave1152000 [Yes I'll try Dev first then Edge if that doesn't work.], Cool! Please report back your findings. That will be helpfull to thers.
 @dave1152000 [Yes I'll try Dev first then Edge if that doesn't work.], [Edit] Cool! Please report back your findings. That will be helpfull to others.
 [Edit] ah hang on. I am on edge channel on this phone. So it will probably be related to QtWebEngine which is too old in stable channel
 @mrcyjanek [I recomment oneplus 6t c: it already have a working port], So why arnt phones like the 6t and that xiami not added to de devices page if they are that far along?
 Because nobody is merging my pull requests
 ah
 I'm not even making a pr for xiaomi-pine
 nobody wants to put their name down as device maintainer? Is that the issue?
 anyway, what ever the issue, I am sorry to hear that your contribs are not being put to use :(
 +1
 on a side note, this has to be the worst pun of the year https://ubports.com/shop/product/ubports-t-shirt-may-the-source-16#attr=5
 But Ubuntu is not source-based :D
 @matv1 [Cool! Please report back your findings. That will be helpfull to others.], Yes. Looks like you were right. They both work now I'm on the Dev channel.
 Excelent. Thnx for the feedback. The browser backend upgrade seems to work realy well
[12:16] <ubptgbot> Raül was added by: Raül
 @matv1 [Cool! Please report back your findings. That will be helpfull to others.], Stopped working again after i turned UAdBlock back on. I then turned UadBlock off again but still won't work.
 mh
 even after a reboot?
 @dave1152000 [Stopped working again after i turned UAdBlock back on. I then turned UadBlock of …], then it's an issue with uadblock, careful with the lists selection
[12:55] <ubptgbot> Sundarraji U was added by: Sundarraji U
 @malditobastardo [then it's an issue with uadblock, careful with the lists selection], Have turned UadBlock off but still not working. Does it leave something in the hosts file?
 I realy feel like it has something to with your location and that's why it works in Onion browser. Wonder though if clearing cache/cookies can fix your issue
 @Javacookies [I realy feel like it has something to with your location and that's why it works …], onion browser does everything over tor though, so uadblock is irrelevant for it i think
 but maybe i'm wrong
 @jedi2light [But Ubuntu is not source-based :D], it's built from source, yes
[14:21] <cfengineuser> Can I get some help building ubports for pinephone?
[14:21] <cfengineuser> trying to follow readme
 Which readme
 Hi, I'm trying to mount the folders of my synology NAS on UT with the smb protocol, so I edited the /etc/fstab file and I launched the classic mounting of all network folders, but obviously an error was sent back to me to tell me that some packets are missing for the cifs protocol to be recognized https://i.imgur.com/GQtzQ46.png … so before
[14:28] <ubptgbot>  installing the packages I would like to know if there is a risk of damaging the installation after the different package installations?
 the kernel doesn't have cifs support enabled i'm guessing; but afaik you should be able to mount samba shares directly in filemanager app
 @dohbee All right, how do I do this?
 i'm not sure exactly. i just remember support for smb being added to filemanager app at some point before canonical dropped everything
[14:34] <cfengineuser> UniversalSuperBox the one in git for building ubports
 cfengineuser, could you please send a link
[14:39] <cfengineuser> https://gitlab.com/ubports/core/rootfs-builder-debos
 Okay. What are you having trouble with?
[14:39] <cfengineuser> ok i think i have docker installed
[14:40] <cfengineuser> its on a differnt machine
[14:40] <cfengineuser> the last part in the readme, about"Running"
[14:40] <cfengineuser> I just don't understand the order of steps
[14:41] <cfengineuser> ./run.sh DEBOS_PARAMETERS <-- where do i run this
 Oh. There is no run.sh script. Use the debos-docker script as noted at the top of the readme.
[14:41] <cfengineuser> ok
 @dohbee Indeed, the application has been designed to support the smb protocol, because in the network part of the filemanager, the application lists the different machines present in the network and when you click on one of the machines, the application tries to connect via the SMB protocol, but unfortunately it didn't succeed for the serve
[14:42] <ubptgbot> r connection https://i.imgur.com/Uj29CZ2.jpg https://i.imgur.com/qZEuEZh.jpg
 [Edit] @dohbee Indeed, the application has been designed to support the smb protocol, because in the network part of the filemanager, the application lists the different machines present in the network and when you click on one of the machines, the application tries to connect via the SMB protocol, but unfortunately it didn't succeed for th
[14:42] <ubptgbot> e server connection  https://i.imgur.com/qZEuEZh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Uj29CZ2.jpg
[14:42] <cfengineuser> then i get a problem with my build
[14:42] <cfengineuser> the VM can't do dns
 @Elias [@dohbee Indeed, the application has been designed to support the smb protocol, b …], ok. maybe you can figure out what the problem is and help fix the app then :)
[14:43] <cfengineuser> i am running on slackware
 cfengineuser, have you modified something in the build process
[14:43] <cfengineuser> no
[14:43] <cfengineuser> just my system
[14:43] <cfengineuser> i added the kvm group
 Have you blocked 1.1.1.1
[14:43] <cfengineuser> and a udev rule
[14:43] <cfengineuser> hmm
[14:43] <cfengineuser> blocked?
 Are you calling docker a VM?
 is the virtual network bridge up and connected?
[14:44] <cfengineuser> yes
[14:44] <cfengineuser> oh here is an issue
[14:44] <cfengineuser> i did not make a network bridge
 Okay. And docker containers are unable to access the network?
 That would do
[14:44] <cfengineuser> it appears so
[14:44] <cfengineuser> not sure how to set that up
[14:45] <cfengineuser> i have done it for qemu
[14:45] <cfengineuser> separate machine
[14:45] <cfengineuser> I am running slackware64-current
 i don't know how slackware does things any more, but yeah, make sure docker containers can use the network first
[14:45] <cfengineuser> ok let me look into
[14:45] <cfengineuser> thanks for help
 I'm also not sure how to use slackware. Unfortunately I won't be much help either
[14:46] <cfengineuser> i'll likely be back
 @dohbee I'm gonna try to solve the problem
[14:46] <cfengineuser> i need to e able to build and add to these images
[14:46] <cfengineuser> for a project
 The debos script only downloads and installs the system-image build, so modifying it won't be simple
 What modifications are you thinking?
[14:48] <cfengineuser> i need to add some binaries
[14:48] <cfengineuser> perhaps take some away
[14:48] <cfengineuser> it doesn't have to be simple
[14:48] <cfengineuser> but help is greatly appreciated asI am new to pinephone
[14:48] <cfengineuser> pine tab
 Any particular reason why you find Ubuntu Touch best for the project?
[14:49] <cfengineuser> i don't yet but its a candidate
[14:49] <cfengineuser> definitely
 does seem like pmOS would be better for what you want
[14:49] <cfengineuser> hmm ok
[14:50] <cfengineuser> i can try that too
[14:50] <cfengineuser> the units i have came with ubports
[14:50] <cfengineuser> thought i would start iwth that build
 Okay. As you'll see in the debos builder, there are a few layers of images installed over one another. You can build your own images of course, but you would also need to consider running your own system-image infrastructure.
[14:50] <cfengineuser> if necessary
[14:50] <cfengineuser> i have a huge build machine
 https://ci.ubports.com/job/xenial-mainline-edge-pine-rootfs-arm64/ is installed, then the output from https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/pinephone is overlaid
 The rootfs contains the preinstalled Ubuntu system and the pinephone.tar.xz contains the kernel, recovery, bootloader...
 Then a keyring and version information files are installed
[14:51] <cfengineuser> hmm
[14:52] <cfengineuser> i may be abl to add my stuff on the fly
 I am also just wondering how you are managing to make your fstab edits persistent across reboots?
 or else I am not understanding what youre doing :)
[14:53] <cfengineuser> hey if you think pmOS is a better place to start i am not opposed
[14:53] <cfengineuser> i am not a fan of docker
 cfengineuser, you can do it one-by-one on the installed device by making the rootfs read-write. But if you run a system update your changes may be overwritten, and if the changes break something we'll shrug
[14:54] <cfengineuser> yes i am familiar with shrugs
 Could you give a bit more detail?
[14:54] <cfengineuser> I am under NDA bro
 Alright. Then I can't really offer if it's the correct solution or not.
[14:55] <cfengineuser> for now I am simply going through the build process to understand that
[14:56] <cfengineuser> then i can answer that question
[14:56] <cfengineuser> I have built the last 5 versions of android from scratch
[14:56] <cfengineuser> I have POC on each
[14:57] <cfengineuser> pinephone and pinetab just added to project spec
[14:57] <cfengineuser> much to my delight
[14:58] <cfengineuser> Thanks for your help and commentary
 :D
[14:59] <cfengineuser> I am willing to bet that if i shared more your curiosity would overcome you
 @dohbee [onion browser does everything over tor though, so uadblock is irrelevant for it …], Changed again to the Edge channel and they work again so presumably the channel change reload resets something in the browser.
[18:56] <ubptgbot> Salinas was added by: Salinas
 @dohniks have you been able to successfully use the instructions in docs.ubports.com#331?
 I have a weird battery behavior on my Nexus 5, for a couple days. When connected, the icon on the panel turns into charging (green and thunder) but after 2 seconds goes back to normal. Under Battery settings, when disconnected shows "Last full charge" (and a time label, i.e, 47hrs ago), when connected that label turns into "Charging" for
[20:22] <ubptgbot>  2 seconds and then disappears (the former label does not show up). The actual level seems to not change. Anyone experienced this before ?  Would that be HW or SW related ?
 Most likely hardware, your USB cable is disconnecting
 @Dockerfile256 [On my desktop Linux laptop, I can run Minecraft Bedrock version using this tool …], This sparkles gold. If can be done the same with minetest, it means that raytracing is not too far for an android exported game
 For UT
 @UniversalSuperBox [Most likely hardware, your USB cable is disconnecting], I have tried several wall chargers, cables and with PC connection, same outcome. Is worth noting that when connected to the PC, the MTP service runs flawlessly and my PC doesn't seem to drop the device. Also, when power is actually-physically removed, the Low Bat
[21:02] <ubptgbot> tery warning pops up, this not happening under the conditions described before
 @jorovifi [I have tried several wall chargers, cables and with PC connection, same outcome. …], does the battery icon behave the same way when MTP is working fine?
 yes
 disconnected --> connect to PC --> shows on PC, battery on green --> 2 seconds --> battery on red, no changes on PC
 probably the battery is bad or such then and not able to charge
 syslog should say
 yes in deed
 Aug 11 23:21:44 ubuntu-phablet repowerd[974]: UPowerPowerSource: change_device(/org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_batt_therm), is_present=1, state=3, percentage=0.00, temperature=0.00 … Aug 11 23:21:44 ubuntu-phablet repowerd[974]: UPowerPowerSource: change_device(/org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_battery), is_present=1, state
[21:23] <ubptgbot> =5, percentage=6.00, temperature=-30.00 … Aug 11 23:21:47 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [17196.541964] batt_tm_worker: Stop charging !! … Aug 11 23:21:47 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [17196.543552] batt_tm_worker: set new threshold : low_temp = -300 high_temp = -50
 UPowerPowerSource: change_device(/org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_batt_therm), is_present=1, state=3, percentage=0.00, temperature=0.00
 UPowerPowerSource: change_device(/org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_battery), is_present=1, state=5, percentage=6.00, temperature=-30.00
 batt_tm_worker: Stop charging !!
 batt_tm_worker: set new threshold : low_temp = -300 high_temp = -50
 these 4 messages are logged continuously
 [Edit] these 4 messages are logged continuously every 3 seconds
 "health = cold" [ /sys/class/power_supply/battery ]
 and this shows under /sys/class/power_supply/ac … (connected to the PC) … POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=ac … POWER_SUPPLY_STATUS=Not charging … POWER_SUPPLY_HEALTH=Cold … POWER_SUPPLY_PRESENT=0 … POWER_SUPPLY_ONLINE=0 … POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_MAX=1472000 … POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_TYPE=N/A … POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_NOW=5165420 … POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_MAX=43520
[21:42] <ubptgbot> 00 … POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGING_ENABLED=0
 not sure how to interpret this, any thoughts ?
 seems like the hardware is telling the kernel it stopped charging, and the kernel tells the software that
 so could be a bad battery or bad voltage wire connection in the usb port of the phone
 or bad ground maybe
 mtp only needs the data connection wires which are stable it seems
[22:05] <ubptgbot> Mary Hill was added by: Mary Hill
 @dohbee [or bad ground maybe], thank you, will see how long it survives. Have several chargers, wires and PCs, but no change. Will try with a battery bank to isolate further. The phone is about 4 months old and supposedly bought it sealed. Hopefully won't die so soon as is my only UT device
[23:59] <ubptgbot> <Mary Hill> (Photo, 423x559) https://irc.ubports.com/RJu1ePV0.png LUCKY TIME