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| callmepk | good morning | 03:01 |
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| callmepk | Hi sarnold | 03:10 |
| duflu | Morning callmepk and sarnold | 03:17 |
| callmepk | morning duflu | 03:17 |
| sarnold | hey duflu :) | 03:18 |
| Laney | OMG | 08:03 |
| Laney | forgot to do my weekly update! | 08:03 |
| seb128 | goood morning desktopers | 08:27 |
| Maik_aD | good morning seb128 | 08:28 |
| marcustomlinson | morning desktoppers | 08:59 |
| seb128 | hey marcustomlinson , how are you today? | 09:03 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: doing ok thanks, how are you? | 09:05 |
| Laney | hey seb128 hey marcustomlinson | 09:07 |
| seb128 | marcustomlinson, I'm arlight but melting a bit, waiting for the heatwave to be over | 09:08 |
| duflu | Hi Laney, Maik_aD and marcustomlinson | 09:08 |
| Maik_aD | o/ | 09:08 |
| seb128 | 35°C isn't a land temperature, need water, also not a computer one | 09:08 |
| seb128 | hey Laney | 09:08 |
| duflu | Now that would be nice | 09:08 |
| seb128 | hey Maik_aD | 09:08 |
| marcustomlinson | yo Maik_aD, Laney and duflu | 09:08 |
| Wimpress | Hello desktoppers o/ | 13:30 |
| Wimpress | Whose melting? | 13:30 |
| Wimpress | Err, predictive text. | 13:30 |
| hellsworth | good morning folks | 13:31 |
| hellsworth | not melting here Wimpress .. i actually have a sweater on but the high today is 34 :) | 13:31 |
| Wimpress | #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-08-11 | 13:31 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Aug 11 13:31:29 2020 UTC. The chair is Wimpress. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 13:31 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 13:31 |
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| Wimpress | Roll call: did_rocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSo_MoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, Trev_inho, robert_ancell, callmepk | 13:32 |
| hellsworth | \o/ | 13:32 |
| marcustomlinson | \o | 13:32 |
| luna_ | o/ | 13:32 |
| kenvandine | o/ | 13:32 |
| callmepk | o/ | 13:32 |
| Wimpress | Hiya :-) | 13:33 |
| Wimpress | #topic rls-bb-bugs | 13:33 |
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| luna_ | having extreme headache however and tabbing around in irssi, so not sure i really will attend however :P | 13:33 |
| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 13:33 |
| Wimpress | http://launchpad.net/bugs/1888505 | 13:33 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1888505 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Two-finger touchpad zoom extremely sensitive" [Low,New] | 13:33 |
| hellsworth | oh oops i forgot to untag the lo one | 13:33 |
| Wimpress | :-) | 13:34 |
| hellsworth | i think i untag'd the others though | 13:34 |
| Wimpress | OK | 13:34 |
| Wimpress | http://launchpad.net/bugs/1838152 | 13:34 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1838152 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu Bionic) "gnome-shell freezes on notification arrival (fixed upstream)" [Undecided,New] | 13:34 |
| hellsworth | this 1888505 still nees some attention from me so please skip it | 13:34 |
| * Wimpress eyes popey | 13:35 | |
| seb128 | (hey, sorry a bit late but I'm around now) | 13:35 |
| seb128 | -1 from me to rls nominate this one but a nice target of opportunity to maybe include the fix in a SRU when we do one | 13:36 |
| Wimpress | Who can determine if #1838152 is something we can backport to Bionic? | 13:36 |
| seb128 | Tre_vinho probably but he's off until eow | 13:36 |
| Wimpress | OK | 13:36 |
| Wimpress | How should that one be tagged? | 13:37 |
| Wimpress | Or assigned? | 13:37 |
| seb128 | depend of the consensus | 13:37 |
| seb128 | I vote -1 but we didn't hear from others | 13:37 |
| Laney | notfixing sounds good | 13:37 |
| seb128 | Wimpress, tag rls-bb-notfixing then | 13:38 |
| Laney | make a trello card for Marco to cherry pick it to git if you want | 13:38 |
| Wimpress | Wilco | 13:38 |
| Laney | but there's no guarantee of timing | 13:38 |
| Wimpress | seb128 or Laney please make a card for it. Lets do a quick look see if it is a quick fox for Bionic. | 13:39 |
| seb128 | k | 13:39 |
| Wimpress | *fix | 13:39 |
| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html | 13:39 |
| Wimpress | Everything looks like it has owners there. | 13:40 |
| Wimpress | #topic rls-ff-bugs | 13:40 |
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| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 13:40 |
| Wimpress | http://launchpad.net/bugs/1880508 | 13:41 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1880508 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-340 (Ubuntu) "package nvidia-340 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/lib/udev/rules.d/71-nvidia.rules', which is also in package nvidia-kernel-common-440 440.82+really.440.64-0ubuntu6" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 13:41 |
| Laney | definitely, upgrade failures are terrible, tseliot ^- can you take the assignment? | 13:42 |
| seb128 | (https://trello.com/c/PxWxI7Hy/217-investigate-cherry-picking-the-fix-for-bug-1838152-to-bionic for the previous bug) | 13:42 |
| Wimpress | seb128: You tagged that one. Looks like something tseliot might be interested in? | 13:42 |
| seb128 | +1 from me | 13:42 |
| seb128 | there is a stack of file conflicts on nvdia packages | 13:42 |
| Wimpress | Given .1 is out, this looks like something we should action. | 13:42 |
| seb128 | see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-340/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 | 13:43 |
| seb128 | right | 13:43 |
| Wimpress | Erk. | 13:43 |
| seb128 | so yeah, let's assign to tseliot | 13:44 |
| Laney | target to focal, assign all the tasks | 13:44 |
| tseliot | Laney: it's on my list. I'll take care of it when I am back from the holidays | 13:44 |
| Wimpress | tseliot: I've assigned you. If you feel that is incorrect, let me know. | 13:44 |
| seb128 | tseliot, thanks, and stop doing IRC during holidays! :) | 13:44 |
| Wimpress | tseliot: Sorry to interrupt your vacation. | 13:44 |
| tseliot | Wimpress: thanks | 13:45 |
| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html | 13:45 |
| tseliot | I'll be off tomorrow, but I'm already booked for today ;) | 13:45 |
| Wimpress | Have fun! | 13:46 |
| tseliot | (I'll be back next week) | 13:46 |
| tseliot | thanks | 13:46 |
| Wimpress | OK, what to do about all those Yaru bugs? | 13:46 |
| seb128 | nothing? | 13:46 |
| seb128 | they are fix commited | 13:46 |
| Wimpress | Oh, they are. | 13:46 |
| Wimpress | Just spotted that. | 13:46 |
| seb128 | SRU just needs to be verified, if you want to help just verify some of the fixes | 13:46 |
| seb128 | that will allow it to migrate, makes user happy and get those lines closed :) | 13:47 |
| Wimpress | Sure thing. I'll see what community verification I can rustle up. | 13:47 |
| Wimpress | I'll skip the spice bug. We know about that one. | 13:47 |
| seb128 | right | 13:47 |
| Wimpress | http://launchpad.net/bugs/1853331 | 13:48 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1853331 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu Focal) "nm-applet assertion failure manipulating widgets" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 13:48 |
| Wimpress | OK, ignore that one too. | 13:48 |
| luna_ | maybe can help to verifiy the easy Yaru bugs liks icons in Lollypop etc :p | 13:48 |
| Wimpress | The rest all look good. | 13:48 |
| seb128 | luna_, that would be nice, thanks! | 13:48 |
| Wimpress | Did I miss anything? | 13:48 |
| seb128 | I don't think so | 13:48 |
| Wimpress | Thanks luna_ that would be great. | 13:48 |
| Wimpress | #topic rls-gg-bugs | 13:49 |
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| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 13:49 |
| luna_ | so install the latest focal and lollypop and look if it uses the right icons? | 13:49 |
| Wimpress | gg-incoming looks good. | 13:49 |
| Wimpress | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html | 13:49 |
| Wimpress | As does gg-tracking | 13:50 |
| Wimpress | #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages | 13:50 |
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| seb128 | luna_, if that's the testcase :) | 13:50 |
| Wimpress | https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages | 13:50 |
| Wimpress | Oh my gosh | 13:50 |
| hellsworth | :) | 13:50 |
| seb128 | lot of things blocked on the icu transition | 13:51 |
| luna_ | seb128: it is, testing in a VM atm :) | 13:51 |
| Wimpress | I was just mentally doing the reverse depends, and got to icu :-) | 13:51 |
| seb128 | there aren't lot of actions needed | 13:51 |
| Wimpress | Yeah. | 13:51 |
| seb128 | the suitesparse/armhf build issue might need investigating | 13:52 |
| Wimpress | Anything is there we do want to focus on? | 13:52 |
| seb128 | still libreoffice/armhf flakyness and retries, that's usual | 13:52 |
| seb128 | otherwise no work needed atm from what I can tell | 13:52 |
| Wimpress | Any way we can set an approved list of auto retry for packages on arm* ? | 13:53 |
| seb128 | what do you mean? | 13:53 |
| Wimpress | Well, we know LO sometimes just needs a prod to rebuild. | 13:54 |
| kenvandine | often | 13:54 |
| hellsworth | yes we rebuilt yesterday... | 13:54 |
| seb128 | I wonder if we should simply stop trying libreoffice/armhf autopkgtests | 13:54 |
| hellsworth | i guess millionth time is the charm | 13:54 |
| Wimpress | Can we automate a retry on LO and other packages where a retry often resolves the issue. | 13:54 |
| seb128 | they DoS the infra and delay things often by weeks | 13:54 |
| seb128 | but probably not a discussion to have now as a team meeting adhock | 13:55 |
| hellsworth | seb128: are you proposing that we disable the armhf LO tests all together? | 13:55 |
| hellsworth | right.. | 13:55 |
| seb128 | no, the build is happening once | 13:55 |
| seb128 | autopkgtests are triggered by random uploads | 13:55 |
| Wimpress | OK, something for a team discussion then. | 13:56 |
| seb128 | it's annoying to have e.g gstreamer blocked for a week because the armhf tests queue has days of backlogs and then you get the armhf libreoffice test failing after a day | 13:56 |
| Wimpress | #topic AOB | 13:56 |
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| seb128 | and then the retry kick you another 3 days down the road waiting | 13:56 |
| kenvandine | is arm64 more reliable? | 13:57 |
| Laney | FTBFS report | 13:57 |
| hellsworth | i totally hear you seb128 | 13:57 |
| Wimpress | I bet | 13:57 |
| Laney | do we need to assign some items from that? | 13:57 |
| hellsworth | i'd say that lately arm64 has certainly been more reliable | 13:57 |
| Laney | or is it already happening ok? | 13:57 |
| seb128 | I handled 11 or the 18 | 13:57 |
| seb128 | 3 are waiting for Debian uploads | 13:57 |
| hellsworth | i need more discussion with you folks to get a clearer picture of what i need to do there | 13:58 |
| seb128 | so it's sort of hanlded | 13:58 |
| seb128 | I will ping/card people about the remaining ones if needed | 13:58 |
| Wimpress | hellsworth: duly noted | 13:58 |
| Wimpress | Anyone have anything else? | 13:58 |
| Laney | ok | 13:59 |
| seb128 | (https://people.canonical.com/~doko/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20200728-groovy-groovy.html#desktop-packages for reference) | 13:59 |
| Wimpress | Thanks seb128 | 13:59 |
| seb128 | I wish that would auto refresh/pick up new versions though | 13:59 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, can you ask maybe robert_ancell to look at the snapd-glib from ^ | 14:00 |
| kenvandine | sure | 14:01 |
| seb128 | thx | 14:01 |
| Wimpress | ANy other topics? | 14:01 |
| seb128 | other topic, people probably noticed but I started on GNOME 3.37 updates | 14:01 |
| seb128 | help is welcome | 14:01 |
| seb128 | I will restore the trello to help synchronizing | 14:01 |
| Laney | 👍 | 14:02 |
| Laney | hopefully can by thursday/friday | 14:02 |
| seb128 | there are some made for you :p | 14:02 |
| Wimpress | I'm PTO Friday. | 14:02 |
| Wimpress | FYI ^ | 14:03 |
| seb128 | (gnome-session / g-s-d have some reworking on the systemd units) | 14:03 |
| seb128 | Marco started on the shell stack but he's off until eow | 14:03 |
| Wimpress | Are we done? | 14:04 |
| seb128 | I think so | 14:04 |
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| Wimpress | Thanks everyone! | 14:04 |
| seb128 | thanks! | 14:04 |
| Wimpress | #endmeeting | 14:05 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Aug 11 14:05:14 2020 UTC. | 14:05 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-08-11-13.31.moin.txt | 14:05 |
| marcustomlinson | thanks | 14:06 |
| marcustomlinson | hellsworth: did autopkgtests pass in your PPA then fail in archive? | 14:06 |
| hellsworth | yes | 14:06 |
| luna_ | seb128: Wimpress: http://imgur.com/a/jgdEPIs | 14:06 |
| hellsworth | marcustomlinson: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=groovy&arch=armhf&package=libreoffice&ppa=hellsworth/libreoffice1&trigger=libreoffice/1:6.4.5-0ubuntu1 is the armhf test that passed in my ppa | 14:07 |
| Wimpress | luna_: #winning | 14:07 |
| Laney | There is the entire spectrum of options available before you decide to disable the tests on armhf entirely | 14:07 |
| Laney | e.g. run any particular subset of them | 14:07 |
| marcustomlinson | hellsworth: ah. well you can disable certain tests | 14:07 |
| hellsworth | Laney: I'd like to hear more.. | 14:07 |
| hellsworth | disabling tests seems like a heavy hammer | 14:08 |
| marcustomlinson | right, listen to Laney's wisdoms | 14:08 |
| hellsworth | :) | 14:08 |
| luna_ | sadly missed most that you talked about in the end however, as i am having headache and my computer crashed :p | 14:08 |
| Laney | I mean it'd need someone who knows what they actually do | 14:09 |
| luna_ | think i am gonna go shower and have a rest, but that seemd like an easy task to test | 14:09 |
| Laney | but perhaps some of them are more nice to have | 14:09 |
| hellsworth | i honestly don't know what the uicheck* tests do but i could look into them | 14:10 |
| Laney | In general armhf is interesting to us though and it's good for us to know that our stuff works there | 14:10 |
| Laney | maybe start by getting the timestamps out of a log and seeing how the spread of runtimes looks like? | 14:11 |
| luna_ | cyas | 14:11 |
| hellsworth | but it's not just one uicheck test that fails frequently. it's always one of them though | 14:11 |
| hellsworth | in this case, it looks like unapplying a patch causes a make error. must be bogus though because it passed in my ppa | 14:11 |
| hellsworth | but ok i'll spend some time with the uicheck tests today on armhf to get a better feeling for them and see if we can keep them. maybe just some tweak is needed | 14:12 |
| Laney | part of the problem I reckon is that when we end up with 3 running on the same node they all make each other slow | 14:13 |
| Laney | and that causes them to flake out or timeout | 14:13 |
| hellsworth | Laney: marcustomlinson seb128 would it be useful to jump on a call either today or tomorrow to discuss options so we can move past the current libreoffice armhf blockage? | 14:13 |
| Laney | so making them less heavy on the host would help there, if that's a correct analysis | 14:13 |
| hellsworth | hmm but is there a way to choose the builder? | 14:13 |
| Laney | no, I'm thinking like, look into parallelism if that's too high or whatever | 14:15 |
| Laney | or any way to reduce the CPU load, dunno | 14:15 |
| Laney | we could have a call tomorrow if you wanna, sure | 14:15 |
| hellsworth | yes i do think it would be benificial for me | 14:16 |
| hellsworth | how bout https://time.is/compare/0800AM_12_Aug_2020_in_MT/London/France | 14:17 |
| hellsworth | i'll send out an invite.. | 14:17 |
| hellsworth | but still do some parallelism digging today for context | 14:18 |
| Laney | I can imagine how you could have a 'big' packages thing for lxd tests like we have for the cloud ones, which would mean that e.g. libreoffice could get its own node | 14:23 |
| Laney | that would be an alternative way to look at this from the infrastructure end | 14:24 |
| Laney | I could mentor someone who wanted to look into that, if their management agreed ;-) | 14:24 |
| hellsworth | well it sounds worth considering | 14:25 |
| seb128 | I'm fine with an hangout tomorrow | 14:27 |
| hellsworth | thank you so much both for your time | 14:28 |
| hellsworth | marcustomlinson: is on there too in case he's up for a hangout as well :) | 14:28 |
| Laney | who doesn't love a hangout | 14:31 |
| marcustomlinson | not me!!! | 14:32 |
| marcustomlinson | I mean, I don't NOT love it | 14:32 |
| marcustomlinson | confusing | 14:32 |
| marcustomlinson | hellsworth: sure, although I'll probably learn more than I can teach :) | 14:33 |
| hellsworth | good then we shall have a grand time tomorrow morning :) | 14:39 |
| RikMills | uicheck-sc FAIL non-zero exit status 2 | 15:15 |
| RikMills | current libreoffixe armhf test is going to fail as well :( | 15:15 |
| RikMills | *libreoffice | 15:16 |
| Laney | sux | 15:24 |
| hellsworth | RikMills: why do you say the current libreoffice armhf test will fail too? this test has passed on the same package in a ppa so it has passed before. | 15:54 |
| RikMills | hellsworth: because I happened to see the log on the 'running' page when a test failure was showing there | 15:55 |
| hellsworth | oh i see | 15:55 |
| RikMills | I was half watching it as the fails are blocking my entire KDE frameworks stack | 15:56 |
| Laney | you know, 6.4.5 has not actually passed on armhf http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libreoffice/groovy/armhf | 16:03 |
| Laney | so maybe there is a real problem? | 16:03 |
| seb128 | it did on focal though (so maybe if it's an issue it's another component that created the problem) | 16:06 |
| seb128 | http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libreoffice/focal/armhf | 16:06 |
| Laney | dunno | 16:06 |
| Laney | the failure seems suspiciously consistent | 16:07 |
| seb128 | I was just mentioning it as a data point | 16:07 |
| RikMills | I was pondering that, and thinking how I could do some triggers so my stuff gets 6.4.4 tested | 16:08 |
| Laney | Binary URP bridge already disposed | 16:08 |
| Laney | hellsworth: ^- can you look at that a little bit perhaps? | 16:12 |
| Laney | you should be able to run with --test-name uicheck-sc --shell-fail | 16:12 |
| Laney | there's a problem with them being slow and restarting/etc but I'm now suspicious there is a real problem too | 16:13 |
| hellsworth | i swear it passed at least once | 16:14 |
| hellsworth | https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-groovy-hellsworth-libreoffice1/groovy/armhf/libr/libreoffice/20200727_011753_62ae5@/log.gz | 16:14 |
| hellsworth | i will look for any pattern between the failures | 16:14 |
| Laney | it seems to be a few lines up, some chuntering about URP whatever that is | 16:16 |
| Laney | interesting if it passed before though, so if something did change in groovy it might provide a window for when that happened | 16:17 |
| hellsworth | good point | 16:20 |
| hellsworth | Binary URP should be shortened to burp | 16:24 |
| sarnold | excellent proposal | 17:08 |
| ItzSwirlz | o/ | 18:26 |
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