[03:59] <OvenWerks> wow.... 
[04:00]  * OvenWerks feels like a "real dev" now...
[16:12] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[kde]: having said that, -installer should probably look for packages to be removed and put up a continue/cancel dialog if removed is greater than 0
[16:14] <Eickmeyer> That's done best with "sudo apt-get full-upgrade" because then it would show packages to be removed.
 @teward001 How's the recovery going?
 @Eickmeyer [@teward001 How's the recovery going?], still going.  sleeping a lot, which is a positive thing heh
 @teward001 [still going.  sleeping a lot, which is a positive thing heh], Absolutely. I might have 1 or 2 more packages to upload when you're feeling up to it.
 send me the list don't expect much action yet
 ack
[22:17] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[kde]: is lsp broken in 20.10?
[22:18] <OvenWerks> or is it just a left it so long without sw update?
[22:18] <OvenWerks> (1100 packages updated)
[22:19] <OvenWerks> anyway, will remove all lsp packages then reinstall and see
[22:19] <OvenWerks> it says there are two packages that write the same file :P
[22:24] <OvenWerks> also it seems there is a problem with either carla, -controls, zita-ajbridge or jack.
[22:25] <OvenWerks> I think it is carla... because zita-ajbridge was already updated before I started playing and thing s were fine.
[22:28] <OvenWerks> removing _all_ lsp packages works (lsp-common was blocking things)
[22:37] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[kde]: we may have a problem with jakcd2 1.9.14-0ubuntu3
[22:39] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[kde]: the last patch is going to python 3 and that may explain why tools that use jack_control or other pythoin based things act odd
[22:41] <OvenWerks> jack_lsp works mostly the first time but never finishes... killing and restartiung fails
[22:41] <OvenWerks> carla has troubles too
[22:42] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: No, it's not broken. Are you upgrading to it?
[22:43] <OvenWerks> lsp seems fine now, I removed all it's bits
[22:43] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, looks like you figured that out. apt full-upgrade would've done that for you (hence it's in the instructions for the backport PPA to do that).
[22:43] <OvenWerks> there used to be a -common that had a file in it that one of the new ones has
[22:43] <OvenWerks> when I got rid of them all and reinstalled it's ok
[22:43] <Eickmeyer> The new one is packaged in Debian.
[22:43] <OvenWerks> right.
[22:44] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that's what full-upgrade is supposed to do.
[22:44] <OvenWerks> but jackd being bad is a worse problem
[22:44] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Carla is an RC, so I'm not surprised if it has troubles.
[22:44] <OvenWerks> if that is what it is
[22:45] <Eickmeyer> But Jack in the backports is a newer version than in the focal repos.
[22:45] <OvenWerks> I'm on groovy right now
[22:45] <Eickmeyer> Ah. Yeah, I've had no issues with groovy.
[22:45] <Eickmeyer> Of course, there's nothing in the backports for groovy right now.
[22:45] <OvenWerks> run jack with whatever
[22:46] <OvenWerks> use the CL tool jack_lsp to list the ports
[22:46] <OvenWerks> jack_lsp never finishes
[22:46] <OvenWerks> sigint (control c) stops it.
[22:46] <OvenWerks> start again just hangs
[22:47] <OvenWerks> carla seems to hang after a bit
[22:47] <Eickmeyer> Just did that. No issues whatsoever.
[22:47] <OvenWerks> -controls seems to hang after a bit
[22:47] <OvenWerks> I reboot
[22:47] <Eickmeyer> Can't duplicate.
[22:55] <OvenWerks> so now it is fine... I booted here because I was having trouble with 20.04
[22:56] <OvenWerks> (so is someone else which is why I was testing it)
[23:11] <OvenWerks> now is not fine...
[23:11] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I don't know if it is zita (I don't think so because the new one got to groovy in may)
[23:12] <OvenWerks> or the way -controls deals with it?
[23:12] <OvenWerks> but right now I have carla, -controls and jack_lsp all hung
[23:12] <OvenWerks> reboot...
[23:34] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I may have another -controls release. I set a timeout that I shortened to 5 sec back to 15 sec and the problem seems to have gone.
[23:34] <OvenWerks> I will test it more in 20.04...
[23:35] <OvenWerks> reboot...
[23:52] <Eickmeyer> Ok...
[23:52] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Did you see my issue report when I tried to run it in Fedora?