| tatertotz | biggtimber: someone else mentioned having that issue, good thing it seems to be merely cosmetic | 00:06 |
|---|---|---|
| biggtimber | yeah, mostly annoying. | 00:10 |
| thehumbleguest | Hello! | 00:11 |
| blahboybaz | I have a read only mount that I'm not sure is getting mounted right.. in /etc/fstab there is.. "/home/myuname/some/big/long/absolute/path/LFS /srv/Apache/Sites/LFS ext4 bind,ro,nofail 0 0" but in mount output there is.. "/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root on /srv/Apache/Sites/LFS type ext4 (ro,relatime,errors=remount-ro)" <-- Does that indicate that "/" is what's being remounted rather than "/home/ | 00:50 |
| blahboybaz | myuname/some/big/long/absolute/path/LFS" ? | 00:50 |
| blahboybaz | sorry wrong channel | 00:50 |
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| === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin | ||
| robertparkerx | my main drive is mounted and showing in fstab with uf8 support. How do I get my mounted drive with utf8 support? | 01:45 |
| robertparkerx | I read that is how I can solve my vsftp issue with it not showing utf8 | 01:45 |
| oerheks | robertparkerx, there is no need to do something special in fstab, make sure your locales is set right? https://askubuntu.com/questions/28635/how-to-add-utf-8-support-to-my-hard-disk-in-fstab | 01:58 |
| robertparkerx | oerheks I'm trying that now | 02:00 |
| robertparkerx | what would be the correct locals for us? | 02:00 |
| robertparkerx | en_US.UTF-8 ? | 02:01 |
| oerheks | en_US.UTF-8 | 02:02 |
| oerheks | https://www.tecmint.com/set-system-locales-in-linux/ | 02:02 |
| robertparkerx | Okay I did that and it's still showing incorrect | 02:03 |
| robertparkerx | It shows correct on ssh | 02:03 |
| robertparkerx | or sftp | 02:03 |
| robertparkerx | Für-Heart-2018-FLAC | 02:04 |
| robertparkerx | should be Für-Heart-2018-FLAC | 02:04 |
| oerheks | you did run; sudo localectl set-locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8 | 02:08 |
| oerheks | ? | 02:08 |
| robertparkerx | I ran dpkg-reconfigure locale | 02:08 |
| oerheks | not sure, if that is for the user only.. | 02:10 |
| oerheks | sudo locale-gen "en_US.UTF-8" && sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales | 02:10 |
| robertparkerx | No because it warned me before setting is that it would affect all users and to make sure they spoke the lang | 02:11 |
| oerheks | i think that is oke | 02:11 |
| oerheks | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Locale | 02:12 |
| xbfrog | hi, i type in here semi often, but i seem to be ignored, this is my last attempt to be heard. not your fault but mine. "can anyone see what i'm typing?" | 02:13 |
| robertparkerx | oerheks https://i.hashdev.org/20200816_211354_ROBERTPARKERX.jpg | 02:14 |
| tatertotz | xbfrog: i can't see what you're typing | 02:14 |
| xbfrog | ok good bye......... your no help | 02:14 |
| oerheks | crossposting and never read answers given, gives the feeling not to be read | 02:15 |
| oerheks | lolz | 02:15 |
| oerheks | abuse of volunteers, i say | 02:15 |
| tatertotz | lol | 02:16 |
| oerheks | robert i miss language=en_US | 02:16 |
| oerheks | oh, you were still root.. | 02:17 |
| robertparkerx | it still shows incorrect | 02:22 |
| robertparkerx | sudo localectl set-locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=en_US | 02:25 |
| === gabkdlly_ is now known as gabkdlly | ||
| robertparkerx | It doesn't make any sense that sftp would be fine and ftp not okay | 02:33 |
| robertparkerx | but I don't understand enough | 02:34 |
| oerheks | robertparkerx, done reading, i have no clue there either :-( | 02:41 |
| oerheks | maybe put your issue in writing on askubuntu? | 02:41 |
| robertparkerx | Okay | 02:42 |
| robertparkerx | oerheks ty for your help | 02:52 |
| oerheks | yw, let me know when you got answer how to fix this | 02:53 |
| oerheks | curious.. | 02:53 |
| oceanus_ursus | Having a weird problem trying to switch to administrative mode in the users panel. Anyone have a minute? | 02:53 |
| oerheks | oceanus_ursus, just ask, wait and see | 02:55 |
| oceanus_ursus | Fair enough. I installed 20.04 on a brand new machine and have had all kinds of strange problems. Right now, trying to troubleshoot audio. In the process, I tried to access administrator settings in the Users panel but the Unlock button is greyed out, but the default Ubuntu desktop doesn't give me any reason why. | 02:57 |
| oceanus_ursus | So, I switched to xfce desktop | 02:57 |
| oceanus_ursus | and when I use the user settings there and click Advanced Settings | 02:57 |
| oceanus_ursus | I get "An error occurred while checking for authorizations: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message recipient disconnected from message bus without replying. You may report this as a bug" | 02:58 |
| oceanus_ursus | I'm accessing xfce via Xrdp because HDMI out to my TV isn't working | 02:58 |
| oceanus_ursus | so I'm not a console user, if that has any bearing on the issue | 02:58 |
| oceanus_ursus | I also see some errors in the lightdm output from systemctl | 02:59 |
| oceanus_ursus | that it is trying to load some pam_kwallet, etc. libraries | 02:59 |
| oceanus_ursus | and failing | 02:59 |
| oceanus_ursus | it seems to be looking in /lib/security | 02:59 |
| oceanus_ursus | Just mentioning because it seems related; | 03:00 |
| oceanus_ursus | I think the update notifier is dying too. I keep getting a "System program problem detected". It's like nothing knows I have sudo access, even though I do | 03:02 |
| robertparkerx | does ubuntu have an editor like vscode? | 03:05 |
| robertparkerx | graphical | 03:06 |
| oceanus_ursus | robertparkerx vscode can be installed on Ubuntu | 03:06 |
| oceanus_ursus | There's also atom | 03:07 |
| robertparkerx | I don't like atom very well | 03:07 |
| oceanus_ursus | Eclipse Theia is also around | 03:07 |
| robertparkerx | is there a *nix distro of vscode? | 03:07 |
| oceanus_ursus | I think so | 03:07 |
| robertparkerx | Or will I have to use something like wine | 03:07 |
| robertparkerx | Nice | 03:07 |
| blahboybaz | In a guide I'm told to use $ sudo grep -E '^\s*listen\s*=\s*[a-zA-Z/]+' /etc/php/7.2/fpm/pool.d/www.conf <-- to determine if unix sockets are already being used. However, when I run that command I get "No such file or directory". Could the file be located somewhere else? | 03:08 |
| oceanus_ursus | Download page has a .deb https://code.visualstudio.com/download | 03:08 |
| blahboybaz | https://www.linode.com/docs/web-servers/apache/how-to-install-and-configure-fastcgi-and-php-fpm-on-ubuntu-18-04/#configure-apache-with-php-fpm | 03:08 |
| robertparkerx | Do you know if ubuntu will support three monitors | 03:09 |
| blahboybaz | oceanus_ursus: my apologies. didn't realize I was pating a link right after a link | 03:10 |
| blahboybaz | pating\pasting | 03:10 |
| oceanus_ursus | blahboybaz no worries; I was a little slow on the draw | 03:10 |
| oerheks | oceanus_ursus, one thing that prevents your action, is a dirty filesystem, is it mounted RO? | 03:10 |
| oceanus_ursus | Good question | 03:10 |
| oerheks | 'mount' will tell | 03:10 |
| blahboybaz | i think I know what went wrong - my bad | 03:12 |
| oceanus_ursus | oerheks I think it is okay: /dev/sda2 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro) | 03:12 |
| blahboybaz | oceanus_ursus: :) | 03:12 |
| oceanus_ursus | and I can create files in my home directory | 03:12 |
| oceanus_ursus | It's a default install, so it's basically /boot and / as the only partitions | 03:13 |
| oceanus_ursus | mount | grep /dev/sda/dev/sda2 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)/dev/sda1 on /boot/efi type vfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0077,dmask=0077,codepage=437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro) | 03:15 |
| oceanus_ursus | Looks like some of my problem was polkit not allowing changes remotely. Had to add a policy file to /etc/polkit-l/localauthority/50-local.d to allow people in the sudo group do anything. | 03:45 |
| tripleb | Tripelb tries again. I want to trun the autoarrange on the desktop OFF. I dont get that choice when I rclick on the desktop...) | 04:02 |
| tripleb | AND what does the settings display choice of "adjust for tv" mean? -- and can I have better resolution on my tv than my laptop screen? | 04:03 |
| tripleb | This channel used to be constantly helping folks. Sunday night and the "stay at home" order means folks are busy??? | 04:04 |
| oerheks | if someon has a clue, they will answer. | 04:09 |
| blahboybaz | So (I think) I got through the installation and configuration of php-fpm but now I can not create a new (laravel) project in the directory (I think) I set a pool up for. 1: I don't know how to verify if that specific pool is actually working / running ok (and what I'm getting from google is frustrating to say the least). 2: Creating a new (laravel) project works fine anywhere else but gives errors inside the dir that was (I | 04:18 |
| blahboybaz | think) set up to work with php-fpm. What did I do wrong? What can I do right? | 04:18 |
| blahboybaz | sorry, wrong channel (again) - DOH! | 04:18 |
| === TacoCodedSalad_ is now known as TacoCodedSalad | ||
| thyriaen | Okay so i am on the journey to get openCL working on Ubuntu 20.04, Kernel 5.4.0-7634 (which comes packaged with it), Rx5700XT - the thing is that i cannot get amdgpu-pro to install since it says that the kernel is not supported ( i tried multiple ones ) here is the buildlog: https://termbin.com/v246 | 05:56 |
| tatertotz | thyriaen: the link the mod/op posted to you earlier didn't work? | 05:58 |
| thyriaen | tatertotz, thats what i followed | 05:58 |
| thyriaen | tatertotz, https://math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas/amdgpu.html this, installed it in headless mode | 05:59 |
| thyriaen | or rather tried to | 05:59 |
| tatertotz | thyriaen: oh okay | 05:59 |
| thyriaen | tatertotz, he tested with Linux 5.4.0-40-generic but i assume ubuntu upgrades the -number in the kernels automatically with apt upgrade - is there a way to revert back to -40 ? | 06:02 |
| tatertotz | thyriaen: in terminal> awk -F\' '/menuentry / {print $2}' /boot/grub/grub.cfg|nc termbin.com 9999 | 06:03 |
| giacomo | How do I get ubuntu to load my sound card? | 06:09 |
| thyriaen | tatertotz, ah nice i got a different kernel installed, im gonna investigate in a bit and figure stuff out - thanks for the help i think i am on a good track now | 06:24 |
| thyriaen | tatertotz, ill come back if i hit a brick wall xD | 06:24 |
| sub526 | I’m having two identical Linux x86_64 systems with different Ubuntu versions. The 1st one has Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS and the 2nd systems has Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS. I see that, the older distro version(Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS) is bit faster compared to the system with later version(Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS). perf bench sched messaging -g 64 resulted "Total time: | 06:27 |
| sub526 | 2.838 [sec]" in older Ubuntu version whereas in other machine "Total time: 9.834 [sec]". Also, time taken to load the driver(insmod) also varies between two systems. What is best way to debug and solve this issue? | 06:27 |
| silv3r_m00n | hi there | 07:01 |
| silv3r_m00n | on ubuntu is there a way to launch an application such that it remains hidden or invisible like running in background and does not show up in the task manager panel in kde or gnome | 07:02 |
| silv3r_m00n | actually i want to keep LibreOffice running in background, so that when opening any documents they load quickly | 07:02 |
| Atlenohen | Hello | 07:35 |
| Atlenohen | my dmesg is full of NVLINK NVRM NVIDIA No graphics adapter found | 07:36 |
| ahub | hey, I'm trying to upgrade but I get an authentication error (as seen on this paste : http://ix.io/2upj) can anyone help me ? My websearch skills are failing me... | 07:56 |
| s3r1c1 | @ahub : i'm a beginner, but i bet your download is corrupted... have you tried multiple times ? | 08:00 |
| guiverc | ahub, you haven't said what release, your paste implies you're on a release that is EOL & unsupported; in which case I'd recommend re-install, however https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades | 08:02 |
| s3r1c1 | silv3r_m00n, in command line if you add a `&` after you command ? | 08:02 |
| Atlenohen | Is there any other command for hardware logging I could use to grep USB info ? | 08:03 |
| ahub | guiverc:I'm on 19.10 and would like to go to 20.04 | 08:04 |
| ahub | s3r1c1:I've tried multiple times since last week, yes | 08:04 |
| guiverc | ahub, is your system fully updated (in 19.10), and a desktop or server? | 08:04 |
| s3r1c1 | Atlenohen, lsusb ? | 08:08 |
| ahub | guiverc:fully updated, and on desktop | 08:12 |
| Atlenohen | s3r1c1: lsusb reports it is connected, but I still don't see filesystems, all my USB flash sticks don't work basically | 08:15 |
| guiverc | ahub, your mirror is only two days behind (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors); I'd switch to the main mirror and try again but I'm not sure it'll help.. | 08:15 |
| Atlenohen | but everything else, wlan, mouse, keyboard all work fine | 08:15 |
| tatertotz | Atlenohen: are you chatting from the computer right now | 08:16 |
| Atlenohen | It doesn't even work in BIOS, I can't install Linux Mint ... perhaps USB stick is corrupt, I'll reflash | 08:16 |
| tatertotz | Atlenohen: are you chatting from the computer right now? | 08:16 |
| Atlenohen | No I'm from another computer. | 08:16 |
| tatertotz | Atlenohen: ok | 08:16 |
| Atlenohen | And? | 08:17 |
| Atlenohen | I need journalctl to display latest info first, "-a" doesn't seem to work to display all, it starts from some earlier date | 08:18 |
| Atlenohen | aha -r for reverse, okay | 08:18 |
| Atlenohen | The crapload of nvidia messages is distracting :( | 08:19 |
| Atlenohen | New High speed usb device, found, vendor, product, strings, manufacturer SRT, serial ... 7 lines and it seems all fine, it doesn't find anything wrong | 08:21 |
| Atlenohen | When I tried to install yesterday a new version of Ubuntu, when it started to read from squashfs on the stick, it crapped out "Device is not responding to address 2, error -71" | 08:22 |
| === edk_ is now known as e | ||
| talx | Hello folks | 10:05 |
| talx | I'm having a problem which I'm not sure how to attend it... I have 4 nics (2 are 1gig and 2 are 10gig)......... lspci show them all but 'ip addr' doesn't only the 1 gig | 10:07 |
| talx | any suggestion what else could I check ? | 10:07 |
| talx | its a freshly new installed 18.04.5 | 10:07 |
| tatertotz | talx: all nics will need drivers to function and show | 10:08 |
| tatertotz | talx: were you able to locate and install your driver(s) | 10:14 |
| tatertotz | talx: ? | 10:14 |
| talx | tatertotz | 10:20 |
| lotuspsychje | tatertotz: driver modules on ubuntu get loaded on boot | 10:20 |
| talx | just downloaded it | 10:20 |
| talx | I'm not sure its the case | 10:20 |
| tatertotz | talx: we can find out | 10:39 |
| talx | tatertotz so I've downloaded the tarball, extracted it. compiled | 10:44 |
| talx | now it should work? I've rebooted the system | 10:45 |
| === satanist_ is now known as satanist | ||
| tatertotz | talx: does it show up now? or do we need to take a more detailed look? | 10:50 |
| JeroenK | Good morning :) I got a question, not sure if anyone here can help me. But I got 2 routers, and I only can get into 1, the main one. But I want to get into the other one. Context: Once I got myself fiber, changed subscription from ADSL to fiber. ISP send me a new router, and a dude to fix it all for me. Instead of sending back the old router he | 11:22 |
| JeroenK | suggested to use both. Forgot why, but can' t say I got much insight into those matters anyway. I got a few pics to show how the situation is here: | 11:22 |
| JeroenK | https://upload.picpaste.me/image/kd5YJhttps://upload.picpaste.me/image/kdJpchttps://upload.picpaste.me/image/kdSj8 | 11:22 |
| JeroenK | xcuse me: https://upload.picpaste.me/image/kd5YJ | https://upload.picpaste.me/image/kdJpc | https://upload.picpaste.me/image/kdSj8 | 11:22 |
| JeroenK | Added a description to each pic | 11:23 |
| lotuspsychje | JeroenK: a question for ##networking perhaps? | 11:23 |
| JeroenK | Hm, havent got into that yet, but something thatI might get into sooner or later. | 11:24 |
| JeroenK | I just want to check the overall situation of that router, what are the settings in there, other. | 11:24 |
| lotuspsychje | JeroenK: we try to focus on ubuntu problems here | 11:25 |
| JeroenK | Yeah, I wasnt sure where to go, and since I got Ubuntu running..... | 11:26 |
| JeroenK | k, let me go to that other channel | 11:26 |
| anzipex | Can somemody help me with Ubuntu 14.04 Desktop LTS? I can't run it when I choose Ubuntu 14.04 in grub menu it says "error: kernel doesn't support 64-bit cpus. you need to load the kernel first" | 11:34 |
| anzipex | I also have 18.04 installed on same disk, it works, but 14.04 is not | 11:34 |
| lotuspsychje | anzipex: 14.04 is end of life, no support anymore | 11:36 |
| tatertotz | anzipex: 14.04 isn't supported anymore anyway | 11:36 |
| anzipex | Yes, I know, but I used it to build x86 specific programs and etc. It worked well and I and I haven't done any updates to break everything | 11:37 |
| coconut | anzipex, end of life and online do not match, so don't do that, or better, get an LTS which is still supported. | 11:41 |
| Atlenohen | Hello | 11:50 |
| Atlenohen | How do I log the boot output to a file? | 11:50 |
| onegai2 | What do I do with gpg: BAD signature from "Ubuntu CD Image Automatic Signing Key (2012) <cdimage@ubuntu.com>" for ubuntu 18.04.5 iso? | 11:51 |
| talx | tatertotz it doesn't | 11:57 |
| tatertotz | talx: in terminal> inxi -Fxxprzc0|nc termbin.com 9999 | 12:00 |
| tatertotz | talx: follow on screen instructions to install if not installed, then follow through | 12:00 |
| tatertotz | talx: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..simply say so | 12:00 |
| talx | tatertotz wrote it, still no link | 12:03 |
| talx | i can paste the output of it tho | 12:04 |
| tatertotz | talx: ok pastbin the output | 12:05 |
| talx | tatertotz https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jpjjXkPfZ5/ | 12:06 |
| tatertotz | talx: no driver(s) | 12:10 |
| talx | what I've installed you mean ? | 12:10 |
| talx | maybe I didn't install what I should | 12:10 |
| talx | though in intel's web it looks like i did select the right one | 12:11 |
| tatertotz | talx: i'd expect it to look like the other nics when proper drivers exist | 12:12 |
| talx | tatertotz is it possible to install it via apt ? | 12:30 |
| tatertotz | talx: no, that would require the name of a package | 12:33 |
| dedondesta | how do i move window to top-right corner (occupying 1/4 of the screen) i only know how to move it to the right or bottom or top (occupying 1/2 of the screen) in kde with windows key + right | 12:34 |
| dedondesta | ahh i see i can set shortcuts ... what to chose | 12:38 |
| talx | tatertotz well install from the package doesn't do anything tbh | 12:44 |
| talx | tatertotz ixgbe 0000:88:00.1: failed to load because an unsupported SFP+ or QSFP module type was detected. | 12:49 |
| talx | :> | 12:49 |
| talx | :< | 12:49 |
| === Flutterdash_ is now known as rory | ||
| rory | Hi dedondesta check this answer, there is a Gnome Shell extension called Put Windows which does what you want https://askubuntu.com/a/1089033/62969 | 12:56 |
| rory | dedondesta, read the whole answer though because it will interfere with default keyboard shortcuts you'll have to change | 12:57 |
| talx | tatertotz i fixed it with: ixgbe.allow_unsupported_sfp=1 | 12:57 |
| talx | :p | 12:57 |
| tatertotz | talx: looks like you're using a unsupported module, did you buy some generic brand | 12:57 |
| tatertotz | talx: okay good | 12:57 |
| talx | yea its working | 12:57 |
| talx | editing grub options | 12:57 |
| talx | to make it perm | 12:57 |
| talx | thanks for having faith in me :D | 12:58 |
| dedondesta | rory: thank you already figured where i can set shortcut for this https://askubuntu.com/questions/1188180/how-to-set-a-ctrlupleft-to-move-window-to-the-top-and-left-corner-in-kde-plasm | 12:58 |
| rory | Oh KDE, my answer was useless anyway :) | 12:59 |
| BluesKaj | Hi folks | 13:01 |
| funnybunny2 | What is the keyboard shortcut for switching input modes with mozc? | 13:03 |
| funnybunny2 | I tried to look at the mozc settings, but everything is crammed into a tiny window overlapping I guess because it doesn't handle high resolution screens | 13:03 |
| zamba | anyone familiar with nfs and performance? | 13:04 |
| funnybunny2 | Here's what mozc looks like lol https://imgur.com/a/05iZ2sE | 13:06 |
| funnybunny2 | No way to resize the window | 13:06 |
| dev4449 | Hi | 13:12 |
| giacomo | hi | 13:12 |
| dev4449 | Is there anybody else having random freezes after login on 20.04? | 13:13 |
| giacomo | not yet | 13:14 |
| giacomo | Like the whole system freezes? or it hangs for a bit as stuff loads? | 13:15 |
| dev4449 | the whole system freezes, alt + ctrl + 1..9 , alt + ctrl + del nothing works | 13:15 |
| dev4449 | the mouse pointer freezes | 13:16 |
| dev4449 | I googled the problem, seems like a few other users are also having this problem | 13:16 |
| funnybunny2 | Sorry, I'm still on 18 | 13:16 |
| dev4449 | Today, I was going to install 18 too | 13:17 |
| dev4449 | Since I'm having no luck on 20.04 | 13:18 |
| Atlenohen | Hi | 13:18 |
| Atlenohen | where is sudo bash history ? | 13:18 |
| dev4449 | Do previous lts versions have the same kernel that the current lts has ? | 13:19 |
| Atlenohen | that's why half the stuff is missing in user histors | 13:19 |
| giacomo | 18.04 had 4.15 | 13:20 |
| giacomo | 20.04 has like 5.3 or something | 13:20 |
| giacomo | 5.4 | 13:20 |
| dev4449 | They don't get backported? | 13:20 |
| giacomo | backport what? | 13:21 |
| dev4449 | If that's so, assuming my problem is in the kernel, installing 18.04 will solve the problem. | 13:22 |
| giacomo | you could install 18.04 then grab a newer kernel from the upstream if you wanted to test it | 13:22 |
| giacomo | i grabbed 5.8.1 for my current 20.04 install | 13:23 |
| dev4449 | giacomo: you're right, I thought newer kernels are backported to older ubuntu lts versions(that are still being supported). | 13:23 |
| giacomo | ah | 13:23 |
| giacomo | idk if lts implies you keep whatever kernel the release ships with | 13:24 |
| dev4449 | giacomo: doesn't using the upstream kernel make new bugs in the system? | 13:24 |
| giacomo | sure can | 13:24 |
| dev4449 | giacomo: so it wouldn't end up in a stable system, I guess? | 13:24 |
| dev4449 | I'd better migrate back to 18.04 | 13:25 |
| dev4449 | Based on my search results my problem probably lies in the kernel. | 13:25 |
| giacomo | yeah, and if your system freezes after boot, there's probably no way to fix it | 13:26 |
| giacomo | seems like 18.04 is a good call | 13:26 |
| dev4449 | right | 13:27 |
| Rian | Hello, I just made a fresh ubuntu 20 installation on my new laptop. But cant seem to get the HDMI monitor connection to work. Does anyone have a hint on how I could fix this? | 13:28 |
| Atlenohen | Out or in ? | 13:30 |
| Rian | out | 13:30 |
| Atlenohen | Your laptop may not support both | 13:30 |
| Rian | for external display | 13:30 |
| Atlenohen | Ah, okay, I don't know actually because I don't have much experience with laptops. | 13:31 |
| Rian | The out works, a collegue received the same machine and it works there (on windows...) | 13:32 |
| jelly | whoever forgot to enable that useless dmesg restriction in ubuntu hwe kernels... THANK YOU | 13:35 |
| jelly | one less annoyance to be managed | 13:35 |
| jelly | dev4449, you can get 5.4 kernel for 18.04 by installing linux-generic-hwe-18.04 | 13:36 |
| jelly | my thinkpad seems to work slightly better with it. Until do-release-upgrade to 20.04 starts working. | 13:37 |
| dev4449 | jelly: are you having the same problem as me on 20.04? | 13:37 |
| dev4449 | jelly: thanks for the package name suggestion | 13:37 |
| jelly | no, I'm still on 18.04 | 13:38 |
| jelly | just commenting on that kernel possibility | 13:38 |
| dev4449 | jelly: thanks | 13:38 |
| Atlenohen | Hi | 14:01 |
| Atlenohen | is this still applicable, that I can add the line below and redirect the default sudo bash history location ? | 14:02 |
| Atlenohen | HISTFILE="/home/username/.bash_history" | 14:02 |
| Atlenohen | Sorry, I meant to paste the link: https://askubuntu.com/questions/447295/where-is-the-bash-history-for-the-root-user-saved | 14:02 |
| Atlenohen | I forgot for sudo, I already wiped it during reinstall, dang, but oh well, making sure ASAP this doesn't happen nex time | 14:03 |
| jelly | Atlenohen, better practice is not to mix user and root histories; that way you'll also avoid possible file ownership/permission issues. If you have multiple admins, each might set their own to eg. HISTFILE=/home/jelly/.rhistory or wherever | 14:07 |
| Atlenohen | Jelly: Oh I was going to put it in a separate file in my HOME, is that okay, or rather just make a shortcut for a reminder? | 14:10 |
| jelly | works for me and all unixy systems I've worked on so far | 14:13 |
| thehumbleguest | hey there! | 14:22 |
| Atlenohen | oh ok | 14:23 |
| Atlenohen | Except I do not like undocumented features, this line should be in and left uncommented | 14:23 |
| Atlenohen | I mean commented-out by default ? | 14:25 |
| Atlenohen | * | 14:25 |
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| Akinsha | hello | 14:35 |
| Akinsha | is there a channel i can get help with microstack? | 14:35 |
| d1rewolf | hello all. I have a Dell 5520 I bought years ago which came with Ubuntu pre-installed. I'm trying to install ubuntu 20.04 on it, but after I reach the grub menu and choose install, I just get a blank screen | 14:36 |
| d1rewolf | this occurs with both the normal boot and the "safe graphics" option | 14:36 |
| d1rewolf | if I recall, this laptop has nvidia bumblee (optimus) which I think may be causing an issue. anyone know how to get around this? | 14:36 |
| d1rewolf | removing quiet and splash from the boot options doesn't do anything either :( | 14:38 |
| th34lch3m1st | hi all | 15:13 |
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| th34lch3m1st | 20.04.1: tracker-miner-fs at startup stress my cpu for about 2 minutes. On 19.04 there was setting to disable files indexing. It's still possible on 20 | 15:15 |
| th34lch3m1st | on 20.04? | 15:15 |
| sparr | sudo -u someuser timeout 5 sudo -l # this command produces no output, never finishes, can't be ctrl+C'd. What's up with that? | 15:16 |
| sparr | `sudo -u someuser timeout 5 ls` works, and `sudo -u someuser sudo -l` works, so it doesn't seem to be any single piece, but instead an emergent property of it all together | 15:17 |
| pavlos | sparr: if you move -l a bit to the left, sudo -u username -l timeout 5 sudo, it will output /usr/bin/timeout 5 sudo which means timeout will exec that command (sudo) for 5 seconds | 15:42 |
| c0rridor | Hey all. Anyone do music recording on Ubuntu here? | 16:08 |
| c0rridor | I am looking for a hardware interface and not sure what is compatible. | 16:08 |
| rory | hi c0rridor - There is actually a version of Ubuntu specifically for multimedia content creation called Ubuntu Studio - There is apparently #ubuntustudio IRC channel on this network. I'm not sure how active it is, but try asking there too. | 16:20 |
| c0rridor | Thanks rory! | 16:49 |
| c0rridor | I will check that out. | 16:49 |
| oft_gegong | you guys. `lynx https://youtube.com` doesn't allow you to search youtube videos anymore | 16:52 |
| leftyfb | oft_gegong: why in the world would you care about browsing/searching youtube using a text-based browser? Also, absolutely nothing to do with Ubuntu | 17:01 |
| oft_gegong | I'll PM you | 17:04 |
| rory | oft_gegong may enjoy #ubuntu-offtopic | 17:10 |
| g3poandlsl | I have successfully set up LUKS boot-time unlocking with TPM2 following this guide: https://run.tournament.org.il/ubuntu-18-04-and-tpm2-encrypted-system-disk/. My question is what would prevent a person with physical access to the system from obtaining the LUKS unlock key by dumping it from the TPM? | 17:40 |
| oerheks | g3poandlsl, if you implemented it securely, no one could dump those keys. | 17:41 |
| oerheks | but interesting, tmp2 is a dragon .. i'll take a read | 17:42 |
| Sven_vB | g3poandlsl, the purpose of security chips is to limit key extraction to people with veeeery expensive equipment, and making the process cumbersome and fragile even with such exceptional equipment. | 17:43 |
| oerheks | "remove the root.key file from your system, to prevent easy access to the decryption key." | 17:43 |
| Sven_vB | g3poandlsl, essentially, it raises the cost of physical attacks against the chip so high it's way cheaper to hire some crooks to deport someone who knows the secret. ;) | 17:43 |
| frostschutz | g3poandlsl, not a good guide | 17:43 |
| g3poandlsl | frostschutz, I agree. | 17:44 |
| g3poandlsl | so the purpose of this is to allow automatic unlocking of laptops with FDE. Suppose a user's laptop is stolen. What would be the best way to secure the LUKS key in the TPM so that the thief is not able to obtain the key? | 17:47 |
| g3poandlsl | I've thought about locking down the BIOS/UEFI to only allow booting from the internal NVMe to prevent booting from a Live USB, but popping out the CMOS battery defeats that rather quickly | 17:48 |
| Sven_vB | g3poandlsl, is the laptop booted while being stolen? | 17:49 |
| oerheks | g3poandlsl, but resetting bios = losing the key, right? | 17:49 |
| g3poandlsl | Sven_vB, it's only a hypothetical example | 17:49 |
| frostschutz | g3poandlsl, have you tried it? if you can actually read the tpm key, then it's naturally useless. it shouldn't work. | 17:49 |
| Sven_vB | g3poandlsl, is the theoretical laptop theoretically booted while being stolen? | 17:50 |
| Sven_vB | g3poandlsl, I'm hinting towards cold boot attacks for recovering keys from RAM. :) | 17:50 |
| g3poandlsl | frostschutz, haven't actually tried. I'm assuming the TPM chip holds the encryption key(s) independently from the BIOS' | 17:51 |
| mimi89999 | Hello. I reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1891815. It seems that it went through triage because some tags were added, but it wasn't assigned to anybody. Why? | 17:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1891815 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "Multi-seat stopped working in Ubuntu 20.04" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 17:51 |
| frostschutz | g3poandlsl, make sure you have a backup passphrase in case the tpm key is lost | 17:51 |
| Sven_vB | also there are some sorts of hardware bus (was it firewire?) that allow RAM dumping by default. | 17:51 |
| Sven_vB | mimi89999, probably noone has volonteered yet. | 17:52 |
| g3poandlsl | Sven_vB, I'm aware, and that's a scenario we aren't overly worried abourt | 17:52 |
| mimi89999 | But it's quite a serious issue for an LTS release. | 17:52 |
| oerheks | upgrade path is not released yet. | 17:54 |
| mimi89999 | BTW, Focal has gnome-shell 3.36, but GDM3 3.34. Are you asking for incompatibility issues? | 17:55 |
| Sven_vB | mimi89999, unfortunately, the free version sometimes hasn't enough developer power for all problems. in Xenial, there were screen projection bugs that caused the human-visible part of my mouse cursor to be displayed 512px left of where the software-relevant mouse cursor was, i.e. where it would actually click. afaik it was never fixed. | 17:56 |
| mimi89999 | Ouch | 17:57 |
| Sven_vB | the good thing about free software is, you can always hire someone other than the vendor, to provide what the vendor can't. :) | 17:58 |
| mimi89999 | Best would be to hire the vendor. | 18:02 |
| mimi89999 | The fix is upstream in 3.36. Somebody only needs to backport it and make a package. | 18:02 |
| Sven_vB | yeah in this case probably Canonical would be the best place to fix it. | 18:03 |
| Sven_vB | if it's already upstream, it should be easy to upgrade it yourself, or cheap to have it upgraded. | 18:04 |
| mimi89999 | 3.36 is packaged in Debian testing | 18:05 |
| Hejkki | why a basic thing like UTF-8 isn't working in Ubuntu 20.04.1 without lots of work, like right after installation? | 18:32 |
| sarnold | Hejkki: please do file bug reports with details on how to reproduce the problem you're seeing | 18:34 |
| TimMc | I've heard that a recent Ubuntu release (LTS 18.04?) had some significant energy efficiency improvements over previous versions -- does anyone know what those actual changes would have been? | 18:34 |
| TimMc | Would that be systemd, kernel, desktop environment stuff...? I really have no idea, it's just based on hearsay and I'd like to know if there's something real. | 18:37 |
| oerheks | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Locale | 18:38 |
| hussam | anyone here a ubuntuforums administrator? I seem to have three forum accounts that I would like to merge. | 19:28 |
| davido_ | How would I go about debugging why it is that I can set my Bluetooth headphones as the output device, but that audio is still going to the analog output instead. | 19:38 |
| davido_ | In other words, in the Gnome settings I can set the output to Bose QC35 bluetooth headphones. Nevertheless, the audio continues coming to the analog speakers plugged in. | 19:42 |
| davido_ | The question is where I might look for diagnostics to figure this out. | 19:45 |
| xPatsy | Is anyone aware of a standard process for migrating a machine that's completely unencrypted to (preferably) LVM + (definitely) LUKS? | 19:50 |
| rr123 | my gnome-shell restarts itself about twice a day(20.04), which I did not see on 18.04 | 20:00 |
| sarnold | rr123: a common source of reliability problems is gnome extensions, if you hace any, try turning them all off, see if it's better, and then enable them one at a time over a few weeks | 20:05 |
| rr123 | sarnold: thanks, i do have 5 of them :) | 20:13 |
| jiggawattz | Hey, when will Focal Fossa appear in do-release-upgrade ? | 20:25 |
| sarnold | rr123: oof :) that might take a while to sort out .. it might even be an interaction of two or more of them :( but I hope it's easier than that | 20:25 |
| jiggawattz | I though tit did at .1 | 20:25 |
| shibboleth | jiggawattz, don't. you can't downgrade | 20:27 |
| semitones | Hey! I'm using a custom kernel, installed through apt. Can I get help getting update-grub to detect it automatically? I can add it to 40_custom, but it's annoying | 20:27 |
| shibboleth | bionic will be supported for five years | 20:27 |
| jiggawattz | of course | 20:28 |
| leftyfb | shibboleth: as will 20.04 | 20:28 |
| shibboleth | update-grub2 would detect kernel images in /boot | 20:28 |
| shibboleth | could it be the naming convention? | 20:28 |
| shibboleth | leftyfb, iirc fossa will be supported for ten years | 20:28 |
| leftyfb | shibboleth: 18.04 and 20.04 are both LTS releases with the same LTS support cycle | 20:29 |
| shibboleth | iirc a shuttleworth interview where he said ff will be supported for ten years | 20:29 |
| shibboleth | wired or ars iirc | 20:29 |
| leftyfb | shibboleth: https://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/canonical-extends-ubuntu-18.04-lts-linux-support-to-10-years.html | 20:30 |
| shibboleth | in any case. no debian installer, the travesty that is snap, etc = stick with bionic, wait an see | 20:30 |
| shibboleth | trusty had upstart, xenial was pretty much perfect, bionic launched with some rather silly kernel bugs and *netplan* but other than that pretty decent | 20:32 |
| shibboleth | fossa? bend over and breathe deep, let's expirement | 20:32 |
| leftyfb | shibboleth: please take opinions to #ubuntu-offtopic. This is a support channel where we're not steering people away from the latest releases because you don't like it | 20:33 |
| shibboleth | nah, i'm suddenly reminded why i tried ub in the first place. debian with nice mods and snappier releases | 20:33 |
| oerheks | shibboleth, not helpfull. | 20:33 |
| leftyfb | jiggawattz: to answer your questions, we're not sure why it's not available yet with do-release-upgrade | 20:34 |
| oerheks | keep an eye on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/ | 20:34 |
| semitones | I'm wondering if it might be the naming convention shibboleth | 20:36 |
| semitones | because all the documentation I've seen about update-grub says that it should find *all* vmlinuz files | 20:36 |
| semitones | but it does not | 20:36 |
| swift110 | hey all | 20:36 |
| jiggawattz | interesting leftyfb | 20:38 |
| jiggawattz | thx | 20:38 |
| semitones | here is what the (working) 40_custom looks like. You'd think it would be detected automatically https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2gzCXjGKRJ/ | 20:39 |
| semitones | shibboleth, "ubuntu is the debian you don't have to configure yourself" | 20:41 |
| swift110 | lol | 20:43 |
| oerheks | semitones, what is the output of; dpkg --list | grep linux-image | 20:45 |
| semitones | oerheks, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qYnN45Dg4z/ | 20:46 |
| oerheks | maybe your custom kernel is located in 'advanced' ? | 20:47 |
| oerheks | or does it not show up when you ran update-grub? | 20:47 |
| semitones | it doesn't show up in update-grub, but you can see it in the dkpg list | 20:48 |
| oerheks | linux-image-4.19.139-surface-lts 4.19.139-surface-lts-1 ### linux-image-surface-lts 4.19.139-surface-lts-1 ... you might want to remove one of these? | 20:52 |
| TJ- | semitones: that is because you've DELETED the exec tail line! | 21:07 |
| TJ- | semitones: it ought to begin with: | 21:07 |
| TJ- | #!/bin/sh | 21:08 |
| TJ- | exec tail -n +3 $0 | 21:08 |
| auto_ | hello, how can i set separate desktop background images per monitor in ubuntu 20.04? or better, how can i stretch a wide dual-monitor wallpaper across both my screens? | 21:08 |
| Jordan_U | semitones: In addition to what TJ- said, please pastebin the complete output of "sudo update-grub" and of "ls -l /boot/". Your kernel images should be added automatically, even with those names. I think something more is going on here. | 21:09 |
| oerheks | auto_, gnome-tweak-tool gives that option, span over desktops | 21:09 |
| auto_ | awesome, thanks oerheks | 21:09 |
| oerheks | !info gnome-tweak-tool | 21:09 |
| ubottu | gnome-tweak-tool (source: gnome-tweaks): adjust advanced settings for GNOME - transitional package. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.34.0-2ubuntu1 (focal), package size 1 kB, installed size 12 kB | 21:09 |
| auto_ | a quick google came up with some other tools but seemed to be for previous versions of ubuntu | 21:10 |
| TJ- | semitones: Do the /boot/initrd-$VERSION files exist for those /boot/vmlinuz-$VERSION files? if not update-grub will not add them | 21:10 |
| oerheks | not sure about seperate backgrounds.. | 21:11 |
| auto_ | oerheks it worked fine for spanning a 7680x2160 image, thanks again | 21:18 |
| oerheks | have fun! | 21:18 |
| Jordan_U | semitones: Is it possible that your mistake with 40_custom lead to a grub.cfg with syntax errors? If so, grub-mkconfig/update-grub would have exited with an error. When grub-mkconfig detects a syntax error in the generated grub.cfg, it assumes that it's wrong and doesn't replace the old grub.cfg. That would mean that your grub.cfg would not have changed, and will be the last grub.cfg you generated that | 21:30 |
| Jordan_U | doesn't have a syntax error. | 21:30 |
| giacomo | How do I get alsa to recognize my soundcard? http://alsa-project.org/db/?f=d5873c0be4081fe224bec1beeaaefe460f64d277 | 21:43 |
| fcastillo | Hi everyone, does anybody know of a good reliable way to enable scroll lock on Focal? The majority of the results i'm seeing are for older versions, and many don't work, or make my computer slow | 21:58 |
| fcastillo | Extra points question, why would Gnome (or Ubuntu) disable scroll locks by default? | 21:59 |
| sarnold | fcastillo: once upon a time I saw gui programs that had half their keyboard shotcuts stop working when numlock or scrolllock were enabled | 22:00 |
| sarnold | fcastillo: probably someone at gnome figured they'd solve the problem for everybody | 22:00 |
| semitones | sorry y'all, I had to help someone offline. One sec while I gather stuff | 22:02 |
| fcastillo | weird, wouldn't it make more sense to fix the the programs rather than remove a whole key. I know not a lot of people use it, but I deal with spreadsheets constantly, and I really need the key | 22:02 |
| sarnold | fcastillo: what does it do? | 22:03 |
| semitones | TJ-: I didn't delete the tail line: that output was pasted from grub.cfg which I was looking at | 22:03 |
| semitones | Jordan_U, gathering output | 22:03 |
| fcastillo | sarnold: it makes the arrow keys works as scrolling, so it wouldn't change the active cell, it just scrolls the screen | 22:04 |
| semitones | Jordan_U, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sRhSH8trFk/ | 22:07 |
| semitones | that is update grub, 40_custom, and ls /boot | 22:07 |
| sarnold | fcastillo: oh! that sounds handy | 22:07 |
| semitones | I noticed in the dkpg -list, the surface ones were not signed, but the ubuntu ones are. Does that matter? | 22:08 |
| fcastillo | sarnold: it's very handy! But enabling seems to be really hard | 22:09 |
| sarnold | fcastillo: does gnome actively turn it back off again? | 22:09 |
| sarnold | fcastillo: or, rather, does *something* keep turning it off? | 22:09 |
| fcastillo | using xmodmap works, but after a restart/logout it's gone, and it cause gnome to become super slow | 22:09 |
| sarnold | hmm, xmodmap did that? o_O | 22:10 |
| semitones | Jordan_U, another weird thing about update-grub is it doesn't respect my timeout:hidden setting. I'll paste you grub.cfg as well to see what I mean. (after 30_os_prober it re-adds timeout:menu) | 22:10 |
| fcastillo | the majority of the support out there says to use xmodmap, but more recent post mention that this is not the best way anymore, and it doesn't persist reboots | 22:10 |
| semitones | Jordan_U, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GkQGwBQ6gF/ | 22:11 |
| sarnold | fcastillo: that part is usually easy enough to fix, there's usually a file like ~/.xsession or similar that is executed at login, that would do the trick | 22:11 |
| fcastillo | sarnold: I'm ready about ~/.xsession, it seems it will do the same as ~/.Xmodmap, but probably work, since xmodmap wasn't working | 22:15 |
| fcastillo | the only problem left is when enabling scroll lock, gnome because sluggish. I wish there was a way to enable the key without using xmodmap | 22:16 |
| _Sym_ | fcastillo, what about xbindkeys | 22:18 |
| fcastillo | _Sym_: I'll take a look at that, thanks! | 22:19 |
| sarnold | fcastillo: ~/.Xmodmap normally only works if you have a line in a startup file that runs xmodmap on it :) | 22:21 |
| fcastillo | sarnold: not sure what you mean by that, meaning I have to run xmodmap on boot anyway, it doesn't automatically runs? | 22:22 |
| fcastillo | sarnold: nonetheless, when enabling scroll lock with xmodmap, gnome because so sluggish, which is very weird, and hence I'm trying to find a more up-to-date answer. All the answers out there are from around 2014, some 2016, before Ubuntu used gnome-shell | 22:24 |
| sarnold | fcastillo: exactly -- here's my ~/.xsession https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Gs8bjYdF9v/ -- I'm using setxkbmap instead of xmodmap these days, but it's the same idea | 22:25 |
| MikeRL | Anyone know what happened to the Mozilla Team PPA and their IRC channel? All packages except one seem to be deleted and the IRC channel is gone. | 22:38 |
| oerheks | mozilla gives snaps now; https://snapcraft.io/firefox -- https://snapcraft.io/thunderbird | 22:40 |
| oerheks | and https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next | 22:40 |
| oerheks | for the IRC channel, i have no clue | 22:41 |
| MikeRL | Problem. I have a Pi with ARM64. | 22:49 |
| MikeRL | No snap for that architecture. | 22:49 |
| semitones | Hey, sorry I dc/d, not sure what i missed | 22:50 |
| semitones | I summarized my grub issue here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1268026/how-can-i-get-update-grub-to-recognize-linux-surface-kernel | 22:50 |
| sarnold | MikeRL: what problem are you ting to solve? even groovy's aarch64 firefox is a deb https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/79.0+build1-0ubuntu2/+build/19623072 | 22:54 |
| MikeRL | sarnold, I was using the security ppa to get updates a little quicker. I accepted the bug risk. | 22:54 |
| MikeRL | sarnold, Now the PPA seems to have been scrubbed. There's only one package in it. | 22:55 |
| MikeRL | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=firefox&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter= | 22:55 |
| MikeRL | All packages related to firefox are superseded or deleted. | 22:56 |
| sarnold | MikeRL: hmm, interesting, my view of that page shows 1-75 of 1087 results -- I'm surprised you're not seeing the full listing | 22:58 |
| SupaYoshi | is there any easy way to let byobu open a bunch of tabs after a reboot? | 22:58 |
| SupaYoshi | without having to re-open everything again? | 22:58 |
| SupaYoshi | that be so handy | 22:59 |
| Zombie | Is there a way to install Pidgin 2.14.1 in a PPA without FlatPak on Ubuntu | 23:09 |
| lotuspsychje | Zombie: we advice to install packages via the ubuntu repos, or snaps | 23:11 |
| Zombie | They only have 2.13, in the Repo. | 23:11 |
| Zombie | And 2.13 has broken support for XMPP Carbons. | 23:11 |
| MikeRL | sarnold, DO you see the status for theose packages? It was blank only on the main PPA page save one xenial package. | 23:13 |
| MikeRL | sarnold, Firefox is marked as deleted or superseded on that page I linked to. | 23:13 |
| MikeRL | sarnold, Look here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+index | 23:14 |
| MikeRL | sarnold, Only one package of dpkg for xenial. | 23:14 |
| sarnold | I wonder whta that dpkg package is doing there | 23:16 |
| MikeRL | Have no clue. It's for a really old Ubuntu version from 2016. | 23:17 |
| lotuspsychje | Zombie: if an ubuntu package has something broken, please file a !bug so the developers can work on it | 23:17 |
| Zombie | It's a version update. 2.13.0 has broken support for XMPP Carbons. | 23:18 |
| lotuspsychje | Zombie: did you try pidgin-plugin-pack to see if xmpp carbon is in there? | 23:40 |
| Zombie | Yes. | 23:40 |
| lotuspsychje | was it? | 23:41 |
| courrier | Here's some i18n issue: how can we explain that this string "Make discoverable" is not translated in French in the Ubuntu Mate 20.04 while this string has been translated 7 years ago in the code? | 23:53 |
| courrier | See https://www.cjoint.com/data3/JHrxZM1Sz0R_blueman-applet.png | 23:53 |
| courrier | Also Help and Exit messages are not translated in 20.04 (Help does have a translation in the po file... but I couldn't find Exit) | 23:54 |
| lotuspsychje | courrier: did you file a !bug about it? | 23:57 |
| courrier | lotuspsychje: well, no, I wish I could submit the translation by myself, but there's something I'm missing... | 23:58 |
| lotuspsychje | courrier: i would advice you file the bug, so the devs at least can work on it, then we can proceed further | 23:59 |
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