[00:02] <sarnold> courrier: there's a bunch of translations on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+lang/fr
[00:04] <lotuspsychje> i know dutch & french translations on flavours can be slow sometimes, needs the right ppl poke
[00:06] <courrier> sarnold: I can't find any blueman-* package listed there
[00:07] <courrier> But I can't understand is that these strings do have some translation in the upstream package... does it mean that Ubuntu overrides the translations somehow?
[00:08] <tripleb> I understand that the equalizer program for ubuntu does not work in 20.04 - Does anyone know anything that works? I know that "archive.org" has a web equalizer (I clicked on the llama to find it) -- This is the control-player that I used. It came with a particular archive/concert.
[00:08] <courrier> lotuspsychje: I can help for french! Is there any way we can get notified for specific languages?
[00:08] <tripleb> AND what does the settings display choice of "adjust for tv" mean?  --  and can I have better resolution on my tv than my laptop screen?
[00:08] <tripleb> Tripelb tries again. I want to trun the autoarrange on the desktop OFF. I dont get that choice  in the submenu when I R-click on the desktop...)
[00:08] <sarnold> courrier: hmm, I wonder if that version of blueman has made it into debian yet? https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=_Rendre&literal=0  --> one hit, in package crimson
[00:09] <tripleb> courrier, that is a good idea. j'approve.
[00:10] <tripleb> je l'approve.
[00:10] <courrier> j'approuve :)
[00:10] <sarnold> j'accuse!
[00:10] <courrier> that's different
[00:11] <lotuspsychje> courrier: i would reccomend joining #ubuntu-translators and talk to gunnarJ when you filed your new !bug
[00:11] <oerheks> tripleb, and, ... have yo tried "adjust for tv"?
[00:11] <mason> Mon aéroglisseur est plein d’anguilles.
[00:11] <lotuspsychje> courrier: he's the translate wizard to point you in the right direction
[00:12] <Synx_hm> Anybody running podman on ubuntu? I just did a apt upgrade a 'crun' seems to be gone
[00:13] <oerheks> Synx_hm, podman as snap?
[00:13] <Synx_hm> nope podman from the kubric deb repo
[00:13] <oerheks> oh, no support for 3rd party repos. file a bug with them?
[00:14] <Synx_hm> ya asked in the podman channel on freenode but its dead there figured id ask here
[00:14] <Synx_hm> thank you
[00:14] <pjs> why would "id" and "id myusername" be different? https://paste.sr.ht/~petersanchez/f0be8dd6ded953c56b03fc8d349386b8cd4cabc5
[00:14] <sarnold> Synx_hm: check dpkg -L podman   output, maybe you'll spot it somewhere else in the filesystem
[00:15] <Synx_hm> thanks!
[00:16] <sarnold> pjs: my theory is that a bare 'id' is showing the user, group, and groups, of the current process; 'id username' is looking up the user, group, and groups, from the nameservice databases
[00:17] <oerheks> id is the list of system users, and id $USER is services running under your user?
[00:17] <oerheks> or, where you are member of
[00:17] <pjs> oerheks: the man page says id, without username, uses the user that is running the command
[00:17] <mason> pjs: It's worth an strace of each to see what's happening.
[00:17] <sarnold> yes, the strace will explain it well :D
[00:18] <mason> strace -ftttTvyyo /tmp/some.reasonable.filename -s 4096 id
[00:18] <pjs> hah, ok cool. Just thought I was missing something obvious
[00:19] <oerheks> why does tripleb shoot questions, and never read back?
[00:21] <OneFJef> Is there a way to disable the notification popups that drop down from the title bar while using the geary email client? Or rather what is the name of that notification bar?
[00:21] <lotuspsychje> courrier: thank you for filing bug #1891950
[00:21] <courrier> lotuspsychje: ok! What timezone is gunnarJ? There's not much people in there rn
[00:21] <courrier> lotuspsychje: :)
[00:21] <lotuspsychje> courrier: european timezone, daytime
[00:22] <lotuspsychje> courrier: another idea might be poke some #ubuntu-mate or #ubuntu-fr users to help affect your bug to get confirmed
[00:23] <courrier> yes, let's see with #ubuntu-fr
[00:23] <courrier> btw, what does the underscore mean in the po file?
[00:23] <courrier> Like shown in the en/fr messages I circled in orange?
[00:24] <courrier> some strings are cut in half like Aid_e instead of Aide
[00:24] <lotuspsychje> not sure
[00:26] <courrier> OK
[00:26] <sarnold> courrier: probably those turn into accelerator keys
[00:27] <sarnold> alt+f to open File, then q to Quit
[00:27] <sarnold> (I thought & was the usual marker for those, but there's no denying that _ is way easier to read.)
[00:29] <courrier> oh ok. So that would mean the letter follwing _ is the key?
[00:30] <sarnold> courrier: yes
[00:31] <courrier> ok thx sarnold
[00:31] <sarnold> courrier: this does make it hard to get translations correct -- you don't want to duplicate those keys within every menu where that string might be used, but that means you might need to pick non-standard choices just to make sure it is unique :(
[00:31] <Scriptonaut> really dumb question, but could someone tell me why this doesn't work? TEST='blah' echo "$TEST". It just echos an empty string. I'm having issues with command interpolation inside of a monit config: start program = "/bin/bash -lc 'MY_VAR=$(cat /dev/shm/some_file) some_command'"
[00:31] <sarnold> courrier: I've seen more than once someone translate strings without realizing this, and then users file bug reports "I can't use my keyboard anymore..." etc
[00:32] <Scriptonaut> I've tried echoing ${TEST} as well, still an empty string
[00:33] <Synx_hm> How can i use zsys (zsysctl?) to revert just the system partitions to a snapshot but leave the user data current
[00:33] <Scriptonaut> meanwhile, if I do: export TEST='blah'. And then echo $TEST, it works fine
[00:41] <courrier> sarnold: ok thank you
[00:42] <courrier> how do you usually proceed to trnslate in launchpad?
[00:42] <courrier> e.g. I'm translating cups that has only 6 missings translations
[00:42] <Synx_hm> f' me i cant even get into the grub menu (virtual machine on ESXi, with bios set to EFI option)
[00:42] <courrier> the word "dry-run" is there
[00:42] <courrier> there are many ways to translate it and I'd like to match the other occurences, if any
[00:43] <courrier> Do you open the full translation file and search for dry-run? ...
[00:44] <sarnold> courrier: yes, matching translations used elsewhere is usually a very good idea, but there may be a reason why it's not translated; it might take a bit of research to figure out the right thing to do
[00:46] <courrier> THis is what I did. The po file I receive has only one occurence of "dry-run"... very weird.
[00:46] <courrier> (the one that is not translated)
[00:50] <rfm> Scriptonaut, when you do TEST=blah command, it sets the environment in the executed command, but the substitution is done in the shell process before the subprocess runs.  export TEST=blah updates the environment of the shell process
[00:54] <rfm> Scriptonaut, compare "TEST=blah sh -c ´echo $TEST'" where the single quotes skip substitution in the top shell and it's done in the subshell
[00:58] <rfm> Scriptonaut, also compare "TEST=blah;echo $TEST" where a shell variable is used instead of an envar
[01:04] <tripleb> no one has answered any of my questions in 3 days. I guess virtual (not office-bound) sysops dont care about helping us in their "free time". (Sad)
[01:05] <oerheks> tripleb, yes we did reply ..
[01:05] <oerheks> not repeating, " autoarrange on the desktop OFF " seems like a mint issue
[01:05] <tripleb> I didnt see the list text turn color. Great, let me look back
[01:06] <tripleb> I dont have mint. God I put mint on an older friends computer. After he forgot his password I discovered that I cant drip to root and reset his password. Man, never mint again.
[01:07] <tripleb> hexchat wont let me search the backscroll. (Maybe the answer didnt include my userid.) I will go bck.
[01:08] <tripleb> HExchat has gross (not fine) backscroll control. Page Up Page Down is the only things that works
[01:09] <kk4ewt> middle mouse scroll works here
[01:09] <tripleb> courrier, je l'approuve.
[01:10] <tripleb> oerheks, I tried adjust for tv but so far havent noticed any difference.
[01:11] <tripleb> oerheks, you cnt say NEVER. That's mean and UNtrue as you know from our previous interactions. (Truth counts.)
[01:13] <tripleb> I didnt see any answer. oerheks and anyone else. Sorry but I didnt see it. I didnt get a colored #ubuntu. I will look a third time.
[01:13] <mloki> Hi, should I already be offered the 20.04.1 upgrade? I'm using 18.04 LTS
[01:13] <sarnold> tripleb: okay it might be slight exaggeration but I know I've seen you not respond to replies many times
[01:14] <oerheks> point is, you shoot questions, and look back after hours..
[01:14] <oerheks> .. and not just today
[01:15] <courrier> tripleb: "J'approuve" is correct. hexchat is terrible, I love LostIRC so much but it hasn't been updated for a long time and does not support secure connections :'(
[01:15] <courrier> "Je suis d'accord" is longer but sightly less formal
[01:18] <tripleb> oerheks, you cnt say NEVER. That's mean and UNtrue as you know from our previous interactions.
[01:18] <tripleb> I try to start Notepad++ abut it never comes up on my taskbar.
[01:18] <courrier> Do we agree that, for the sentence "Keeping the following package", the other sentence "The following package will be kept" is closer than "Keep the following package"?
[01:18] <sarnold> tripleb: dude you need a new irc client in a bad way :)
[01:20] <tripleb> OK I copied the backscroll and searched. THERE IS NO ANSWER that used tripleb.  Saying I dont look is snotty and untrue.
[01:20] <tripleb> That's how linux used to have a bad rep for people. It went away. Has it come back?
[01:21] <tripleb> This is the most problamatic ubuntu I have ever run into.
[01:22] <sarnold> tripleb: I've only got 10k lines of scrollback, so I can't share examples from further back, but I know I've seen cases of you asking questions multiple times and ignoring responses or follow-up questions
[01:32] <OneFJef> Is there a way to disable the notification popups that drop down from the title bar while using the geary email client? Or rather what is the name of that notification bar?
[01:33] <egrain> how would i go about having a rdesktop dual screen setup going? is it just as easy as -g 1920x2160 or is there a better way?
[06:04] <xbfrog> ubuntu 20.04 has become slow in videos, screensaver, typing in any app. it wasnt like this whats happened? any ideas?
[06:07] <xbfrog> i have 8gb of memory and this issue just started
[06:09] <Jordan_U> semitones: Are you prepared for some experimentation to try to understand why grub-mkconfig is finding some images but not others? I can also make you a grub script that you can put in /boot/grub/custom.cfg that will just detect and make entries for your vmlinuz*-surface-lts and initrd.img*-surface-lts files at boot, so it never needs to be updated manually. The latter is actually easier than the former,
[06:09] <Jordan_U> but I'd really like to understand why the kernel images aren't being found, and hopefully submit a patch to fix it.
[06:22] <Mystified1234> whos familar with touch screen keyboard aspects of ubuntu, I need to see if It's possible to edit the touch screen keyboard
[06:26] <xbfrog> the lights are on but no one home :P
[06:44] <ld50> deleting the ~/snaps folder in ubuntu seems to break gnome dash window tracking. before, all chromium windows were neatly attributed to the chromium-browser.desktop dash icon. afterwards, they get their own dash element (using the same icon)
[07:01] <ld50> i've added chromium-browser.desktop to my favorites before the ~/snap folder got created.
[07:01] <ld50> when the ~/snaps folder gets created, window tracking attributes the windows to the correct favorite (the one created before the first start of the snap) until i delete ~/snaps
[07:01] <ld50> ~/snaps gets re-created on the next chromium start but the window tracking stops attributing the chromium windows to the correct dash favorite and creates a new dash icon instead
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> ld50: check in the current bugs perhaps if you find something similar: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bugs?field.tag=snap
[07:04] <tatertotz> ld50: why delete a snap folder in a operating system that uses snaps and has a snap store for apps?
[07:06] <Intelo> Which dynamic mics do ok with ubuntu?  I think due to shortage in local Turkish market, I am only left with an option to buy Behringer XM8500 or SL 84C. Both these only viable options in market are XLR and I have to buy an XLR to USB cable. Most think its not a good option bypassing audio interface like this but due to budget issues; have to do this. What might I loose by doing this? xlr to usb
[07:06] <Intelo> cable with 84C lets say?
[07:06] <ld50> tatertotz: i'll be deploying this to users. i don't care about snaps, but users will eventually nuke ~/snaps by accident or because of "i didn't want that folder". and i have to ensure that the desktop recovers from that
[07:06] <ld50> which it does not
[07:06] <ld50> it breaks the window tracking
[07:07] <ld50> lotuspsychje: will do
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> !hardware | Intelo
[07:07] <Intelo> thanks
[08:18] <igravious> hullo, does anyone know how to conigure a smart card reader (w/ smart card) for sudo and login ?
[08:18] <igravious> finding it very difficult to wrap my head around all the moving parts
[08:19] <tatertotz> igravious: did someone provide you with a smart card?
[08:20] <igravious> tatertotz: i bought an OpenGPG one
[08:22] <igravious> i've initialised the card, and created three private RSA keys, an Encryption key, a Signature key, and an Authentication key
[08:23] <igravious> afaict i now need to generate an x509 cert on the smart card using one of the keys on the card but i don't know which key to use and how to refer to the key
[09:33] <grobkorn> hello channel... new to irc channels and kind of new to linux (basic experience) .. im struggled with screen resolutions in ubuntu 20.04 - maybe someone has an ear to point me to the right direction?
[09:35] <grobkorn> ubuntu 20.04 - nvidia m960 (i think) and an intern 4k display... xrandr tells me, that the display is on dp-0 - but that is not right, isnt? also - the display manager cant read only ONE resolution for this display - 4k - i cant change resolution to full hd for example.
[09:35] <grobkorn> in nvidia-settings - i can change the resolution - but ubuntu system / display shows 4k at any time
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> grobkorn: wich driver version is active?
[09:36] <gtristan> Am I missing something, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1864188 really *still* not fixed ? This has been broken since february
[09:37] <gtristan> I recall I had to do something to get my older kernel available in my grub menu all that while ago, and now I wonder; is that what is holding back the pending kernel update on `apt-get upgrade` ?
[09:37] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje: nvidia metapackage driver 4-18-server
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> grobkorn: oh, youre on a server?
[09:38] <gtristan> Surely, this is simply a silly mistake (I.e. this seems to not even be a bug, just a mistake/issue at build time), and certainly just a rebuild of the kernel will fix this as a side effect
[09:38] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje: nope... funny - now i see - what the failure might be *lol
[09:39] <gtristan> Better question: is 5.3.0-40 really still the latest kernel build for 19.10 ?
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> gtristan: 19.10 is eol by now, please install a supported version from our topic
[09:39] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje: but i cant change :(
[09:39] <gtristan> Already ? yikes
[09:40] <gtristan> I thought I installed the latest stable back in november
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> grobkorn: nvidia-smi should show you version/chipset
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> gtristan: non-lts versions are alive for 9months
[09:41] <gtristan> Is this easily upgradeable ? I did not frankendebian this one (for once in my life)
[09:41] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje: nvidia-smi tells me driver version 440.100
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> gtristan: well we dont reccomend upgrading from eol versions, due to !usn security flaws
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> grobkorn: ok, try to switch a driver version lets say to 435 as a test, see if you can reproduce your issue
[09:42] <gtristan> lotuspsychje, ok so if I understand, the odd number major version (19) was the "development snapshots leading up to next stable" version 20 ?
[09:42] <gtristan> And thats why it is eol so quickly ? This might explain why I chose 19.08
[09:42] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje thanks... after change that in system settings - should i reboot?
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> grobkorn: yes reboot and test
[09:43] <gtristan> (as I wouldnt have had support for this laptop in other stable distros)
[09:43] <gtristan> err s/19.08/19.10 sorry
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> gtristan: LTS versions go 5y standard support, non-LTS 9months
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> gtristan: you can jump to the next versions latest out also, but adviced to jump before its gone eol
[09:48] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje sorry for the quick runnaway ;)  restart was faster than expecrted ;)  --- now running on 435... same issue - only 4k resolution - but now i cant SCALE anymore
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> grobkorn: is your chipset an optimus card?
[09:49] <grobkorn> nvidia geforce gtx965m - i dont think so
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> grobkorn: ubuntu-drivers list, shows 450 too?
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> grobkorn: check nvidia-settings if your card is optimus and has the option powersaving/performance mode
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> to have the full use of your nvidia card, best to set to performance mode
[09:53] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje: now nvidia-settings starts with an empty window --- only OK and HELP is shown
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> grobkorn: hmm weird, lets see if your driver is actually loaded with sudo lshw -C video, at bottom should say driver=...
[09:55] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje: nope
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> grobkorn: you have secureboot enabled?
[09:55] <grobkorn> *-display                        Beschreibung: VGA compatible controller       Produkt: GM204M [GeForce GTX 965M]       Hersteller: NVIDIA Corporation       Physische ID: 0       Bus-Informationen: pci@0000:01:00.0       Version: a1       Breite: 64 bits       Takt: 33MHz       Fähigkeiten: pm msi pciexpress vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
[09:55] <grobkorn> Konfiguration: driver=nvidia latency=0       Ressourcen: irq:16 memory:db000000-dbffffff memory:b0000000-bfffffff memory:c0000000-c1ffffff ioport:e000(Größe=128) memory:c0000-dffff
[09:56] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje: secureboot?
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> grobkorn: it does, driver=nvidia latency=0
[09:57] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje: ah yes--- sorry... on the 4k display it is hard to read ;)
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> grobkorn: ok, try reverting to 440 or 450 see if you can influence your screens
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> grobkorn: ubuntu-drivers list to see your driver versions available
[09:59] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje 440 is available
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> grobkorn: ok
[10:00] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje: i try to switch ti 440 back again...
[10:00] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje: rebooting... thanks for your help so far
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> np
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> grobkorn: wb
[10:05] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje: back to 440 i can scale everything... ubuntu display settings shows 4k resolution as only option.... nvidia-settings works again and displays 10 different resolutions to choose
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> +1 grobkorn
[10:06] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje: but why cant i change the resolution in system settings?
[10:07] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje: or is it the way, how nvidia-settings works?
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> grobkorn: no, screen settings & nvidia settings are different things
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> grobkorn: did you check if you found prime settings there?
[10:08] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje there are no prime settings in nvidia-settings
[10:09] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje but why xrandr tells me - that my monitor is on DP-0?
[10:09] <lotuspsychje> grobkorn: https://i.stack.imgur.com/NixuN.png
[10:09] <lotuspsychje> something like this
[10:11] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje https://imgur.com/a/H8AUVS6
[10:12] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje seems, theres no prime
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> grobkorn: ok
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> not sure whats going on in your setup exactly
[10:13] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje so - nvidia overrifdes all system settings? because some apps scale in different ways :(
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> brb gonna lunch first
[10:19] <sopparus> hello ive just now upgraded from ubuntu 18 lts to ubuntu 20 lts
[10:19] <sopparus> by something went wrong
[10:19] <sopparus> apt is not working
[10:19] <sopparus> dpkg: error processing package python2-minmal (--configure):
[10:19] <sopparus> ive tried remove it, tried apt purge python2* to no help
[10:20] <sopparus> any ideas?
[10:22] <nickgru> hello
[10:25] <makara1> im trying to download this with aria2c snap: https://releases.ubuntu.com/20.04/ubuntu-20.04.1-live-server-amd64.iso.torrent
[10:25] <sopparus>  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/CommandNotFound/db/creator.py", line 11, in <module>
[10:26] <makara1> it fails, so I download with wget, and then ref the torrent file instead
[10:26] <makara1> but i get "Exception: [download_helper.cc:451] errorCode=1 Unrecognized URI or unsupported protocol: ubuntu-20.04.1-live-server-amd64.iso.torrent"
[10:30] <makara1> ok, its the snap. deb version works fine
[10:30] <nickgru> hi guys I have a question on cloning a laptop with ubuntu
[10:37] <makara1> intriguing
[10:37] <makara1> id start with a banknote
[10:50] <grobkorn> lotuspsychje thank you very much!!! i hope - everything is working now. didnt knew, that nvidia and system settings are different... have a nice day
[10:50] <nickgru> hey guys, new to irc... I am a bit confused, anyway I want to ask a question on cloning an ubuntu laptop
[10:50] <nickgru> is this the right place?
[10:53] <makara1> nickgru: unless you've got some advanced alien technology I don't know about there's no such thing as cloning a laptop
[10:54] <jess> i think they mean cloning the data on it
[10:54] <jess> so... cloning a disk
[10:54] <makara1> that would be imaging the disk
[10:54] <MaxLDC> yep, you can use a live usb/cd for that
[10:55] <nickgru> let me explain: I have 2 laptops both running ubuntu, I have some scripts that work on one laptop but do not work on the other due to missing libraries. I installed both of them in the same way and the libraries are all installed but still the scripd doesn't work on one laptop. I want to do a backup of / from the 1th laptop and copy all into the 2nd one. do you whintk it will mess up things? could it work?
[10:55] <MaxLDC> if there are the same laptop model should be no problem
[10:56] <makara1> total overkill
[10:56] <MaxLDC> more easy is to copy the home folder except the config files
[10:57] <nickgru> the home folder contains nothing that is necessary to the script.
[10:57] <makara1> seriously, just sort out the scripts/libraries
[10:57] <nickgru> I tried everything I gound online
[10:57] <nickgru> found
[10:57] <makara1> can I run your scripts?
[10:58] <nickgru> sure it's available online but you need to install some other things as well. it's called autogrow @ autogrow.ucds.edu
[10:59] <nickgru> when I run it from the second laptop it give all sort of errors, like can't find pythonsh and other stuff that are actually there already
[10:59] <makara1> http://autogrow.ucds.edu/ gives me server not found
[11:00] <nickgru> sorry https://autogrow.ucsd.edu/
[11:02] <makara1> are you using Ubuntu 12.10?
[11:02] <nickgru> but if I do copy the / folder, without home, and paste into the second laptop, will I mess up the laptop? basically it's the method I use to keep a backup and restore the system in case I need it. would it work from one laptop to the other?
[11:02] <nickgru> ubuntu20.04
[11:03] <nickgru> and python3
[11:03] <makara1> nickgru: https://git.durrantlab.pitt.edu/jdurrant/autogrow4
[11:06] <nickgru> it's not important the script.. it works on one laptop. I want to use the second one since it has more computational power
[11:06] <makara1> if you just want to use the software, I suggest you build and run it in docker using their dockerfile
[11:08] <nickgru> not a good solution, I would loose the multithreading
[11:09] <makara1> what makes you think that?
[11:16] <nickgru> the descriptions says that docker is made for windows wehere there is incompatibility with the multithreading
[11:19] <makara1> you misunderstand. It says running autogrow in Windows without a container is incompatible with their multi-threading approach
[11:21] <makara1> just cd into that docker directory and run `sudo docker build -t autogrow .`
[11:22] <eeos> any news on upgrade using do-release-upgrade?
[11:28] <coconut> eeos, you mean to 20.04.1? I haven't seen anything here or on omgubunut.co.uk yet.(although i am an outsider myself).
[11:30] <eeos> coconut: yes, 20.04.1 was supposed to be when the do-release-upgrade was going to be activated
[11:31] <coconut> eeos, it's always later. I can't say when it will this time. :(
[11:46] <nickgru> ok thanks I will try and come back in case it doesn't work.
[11:57] <thyriaen> Is there an irc channel where i can discuss some things concerning gtk - themeing ?
[12:06] <dsuch> Hello, I am using Ubuntu Mate 18.04. I have a Mac system in my LAN that I connected to via Caja (Nautilus), apparently, it uses sftp:// to connect to the remote system.
[12:06] <dsuch> I can browse files on that system just fine using Caja (Nautilus) but I would like to do it using Midnight Commander instead. The caveat is that I am not sure how to find the relevant mount point in my local filesystem. Can you please help me out? Thanks.
[12:11] <MaxLDC> @dsuch have you tried to list all the mount points?
[12:13] <dsuch> MaxLDC: Hi, yes, mount | wc -l returns 34 lines but I cannot really find anything to the point there. Unless it has a name I cannot comprehend.
[12:13] <dsuch> MaxLDC: But there is nothing really standoing out like /media/<remote-system-name> or /mnt/<likewise>
[12:14] <tatertotz> dsuch: have you tried just providing the hostname/IP and username only?
[12:14] <MaxLDC> and with findmnt -l
[12:14] <tatertotz> dsuch: and then navigate manually after you authenticate/login
[12:14] <dsuch> Aah, findmnt it was.
[12:15] <dsuch> Now I can see fuse and gvfsd, thank you good people.
[12:15] <dsuch> Out of curiosity, is findmnt a relatively new tool?
[12:16] <dsuch> As in, introduced in the last 5-10 years?
[12:22] <thyriaen> I am using a gtk theme which works great, however the checkbox-checked and menu-radio-checked buttons are displayed red as seen here: https://imgur.com/a/uKvqGA8 even though the assets are provided - is there some place i have to check in the css files where this gets specified or what could be the issue ?
[12:42] <MaxLDC> dsuch: no idea
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:59] <Atlenohen> Hello
[12:59] <Atlenohen> Does Locale settings have to do with UI language ?
[13:00] <Atlenohen> Because I do have English set in plasma, after I think I set Locale (units, date, standards) to my own, also the lanugage of program names and GUI items changed
[13:03] <swensson> Hey guys, seems like something broke during the update/upgrade rutine, I now get [core:warn] [pid 3429] AH00111: Config variable ${INSTALL_DIR} is not defined. Do anyone know how to solve this?
[13:04] <lain99> on ubuntu 18.04 "apt show automake" says that previous versions are available because backwards compatibility was broken. but "apt list automake -a" shows only 1 version
[13:07] <ocean> swensson: I do recognize that as an Apache error, where Apache has not been started in a proper way (e.g. executed the apache binary, not using proper init script)
[13:11] <ocean> lain99: try apt search ^automake
[13:11] <swensson> ocean: I normally run systemctl start/stop apache2, just tested with /etc/init.d/apache2 but did no change what so ever
[13:11] <lain99> nothing ocean
[13:12] <lain99> oh
[13:15] <ocean> swensson: sorry, I'm not able to reproduce, but somehow Apache isn't started with the correct env variables. In my experience apachectl start should work without error
[13:16] <swensson> ocean: well it starts and works somewhat, but one of the vhosts are broken and solving this might fix it :D
[13:18] <lain99> still doesnt have all the versions
[13:33] <Atlenohen> So the last time, in 19.10, when I modified grub on an installed ubuntu, the proper updating automation changed quite a few things to the boot entries
[13:34] <Atlenohen> it also automatically scanned for all HDDs and added Win10 to the boot option and forced the boot menu to show every time I would turn on the PC (which is a thing I would want sometimes, just not in this case)
[13:35] <Atlenohen> All I want is to remove the "quiet splash" from the primary default boot behavior, I do not have Win10 or any other OS connected at this time, made sure that have it disconnected, I don't do dual boot I always switch sata devices, I just had it connected by accident the las time
[14:04] <andi_> can somebody tell me what's wrong if i get Automatically disabled Acquire::http::Pipeline-Depth due to incorrect response from server/proxy. (man 5 apt.conf) in my docker build for an ubuntu image?
[14:13] <ExtraSteve> I'm trying to build a package using: dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc and I keep getting https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wP8PNf2rX2/
[14:13] <ExtraSteve> How do I tell it to link pthreads properly?
[15:32] <pavlos> ExtraSteve: can you export DEB_LDFLAGS_MAINT_APPEND = -Wl,-pthread before calling dpkg-buildpackage ?
[15:40] <ExtraSteve> pavlos: trying that now
[15:46] <ExtraSteve> pavlos: same error
[15:54] <CarlFK> I have 2 nics: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 02)
[15:54] <CarlFK> 03:01.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]
[15:54] <CarlFK> 3.13.0-164-generic - both work fine
[15:55] <CarlFK> when I apt update/upgrade, neither showed up under ip a
[15:56] <CarlFK> grub.cfg shows 3.13.0-170
[15:57] <CarlFK> that box is my gateway, so booting into that makes it hard to google.
[15:57] <CarlFK> did someone decide "these nics are too old, lets not take up space" and remove the kernel modules?
[16:05] <CoolerY> which package has the pack command?
[16:14] <CoolerY> I found it https://buildpacks.io/docs/install-pack/
[16:32] <semitones> I'm having trouble with grub on ubuntu, using a custom kernel. It works fine if I add it to 40_custom, but it *should* be detected by 10_os_prober, and I want to get it figured out. Any ideas?
[16:38] <duesen_> Hi! I'm trying to create a custom German key mapping for a refurbished X220 - it's a US model, so it's lacking a key needed for the German layout (namely, the key between the Z and the left shift key).
[16:38] <duesen_> The problem I'm trying to solve is that with the standard layout, there is no key that can produce "<" or ">" or "|". Which is rather annoying especially when coding or using the command line.
[16:38] <duesen_> I found a solution to this problem at <https://thinkwiki.de/Tastatur> (in German), but it's based on /usr/share/kbd, which apparently is no longer used. I suppose it has been replaced by /usr/share/X11/xkb.
[16:38] <duesen_> I have been trying to edit /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de to fix the issue, but my changes appear to have no effect, even after reboot.
[16:38] <duesen_> The laptop is running 18.04, but I also have one with 20.04 around for testing.
[16:38] <duesen_> Any ideas how I can get this to work? I'd be greatful for any pointers!
[16:38] <CarlFK> semitones: I bet you can help me: where is the right place to set what kernel grub boots?
[16:39] <semitones> CarlFK, you have a few different options. What are you trying to set it to, and for how long?
[16:40] <semitones> !grub
[16:40] <CarlFK> semitones: the most recent one doesn't find my nics, which I want to look into someday, but for now I just want to boot linux	/boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-164-generic
[16:40] <semitones> that second link has some documentation for how to set the defaults in /etc/default/grub
[16:40] <CarlFK> thanks
[16:40] <semitones> sure thing :)
[16:41] <CarlFK> etc/default/grub ah, no .cfg, which tab completed into .d, which isn't what I want.  bingo.  thanks
[16:44] <CarlFK> # Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only) GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[16:45] <CarlFK> but then the kernel does whatever it wants and goes into a graphic mode my monitor doesn't support... any idea the kernel param to say "stay in text mode.  in fact, don't even change mode"
[16:57] <semitones> I wouldn't change that much of it CarlFK
[16:57] <semitones> just the part that specifies which one to boot by default
[16:57] <semitones> of course, if you want, change a whole bunch of stuff to learn what would happen; but it might be confusing; it certainly is to me
[16:58] <semitones> oh sorry I misread your question
[16:58] <CarlFK> semitones: no worries, that is good advice
[16:58] <semitones> You want to boot into a server-like environment with no GUI?
[16:59] <semitones> do you know about the different kernel modes you can boot into? Like nomodeset is one I think
[16:59] <CarlFK> semitones: I have that bit, but even ubuntu-server and the likes want to poke the video card which often messes me up
[16:59] <CarlFK> that = no gui.  not sure about nomodeset
[17:00] <semitones> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters
[17:01] <semitones> or wait that might not be it
[17:02] <oerheks> reset your monitor to factory defaults; often helps
[17:02] <CarlFK> https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/en/man7/bootparam.7.html  shows "The line printer driver"  but nothing about graphics
[17:03] <semitones> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[17:03] <semitones> this talks about what I'm familiar with; I'd like to find them in the official docs to know if they're still current
[17:04] <CarlFK> I have a few things that need 'this', like a box has a janky monitor that does ... 1200x900 I think
[17:04] <semitones> nomodeset tells the kernel not to try and guess what video drivers to use - instead it will give you something very basic and awful, but hopefully working
[17:04] <CarlFK> yes, I want that.
[17:04] <semitones> working well enough that you can get in there and set it correctly
[17:06] <CarlFK> nomodeset might help booting in qemu when it says "640x480 graphics mode"
[17:09] <semitones> good luck! I'm gonna get back to work, but if you want to peek at some more grub problems: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1268026/how-can-i-get-update-grub-to-recognize-linux-surface-kernel (unanswered)
[17:10] <CarlFK> thanks and yeah me too.
[18:01] <luke-jr> it looks like altivec is broken in groovy? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/493930785/buildlog_ubuntu-groovy-ppc64el.bitcoin_0.20.1.knots20200815-groovy0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[18:02] <oerheks> luke-jr, join #ubuntu+1 for groovy support, util released
[18:02] <oerheks> c/until
[18:08] <happyfr0gg> (Q): Does Ubuntu have drivers available for the new WiFi 6 standard?
[18:11] <oerheks> happyfr0gg, you can check on https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/
[20:35] <N4-DELTA> is it possible to set a name, other than "N Gb Volume", for a mounted LUKS image, as you can for other mounted drives?
[20:37] <N4-DELTA> tried label=, but it didnt seem to work
[20:38] <th34lch3m1st> hi all
[20:38] <N4-DELTA> hi
[20:39] <th34lch3m1st> 20.04 keyboard randomly stop writing as soon as I open something that I can write on (firefox url, terminal, gedit etcetc)
[20:41] <th34lch3m1st> The weird things are that, if I close and open firefox or gedit again it will type normally
[20:42] <th34lch3m1st> If I open a second tab in the terminal it type, no problem. But it not type in the first terminal tab.
[20:42] <N4-DELTA> thats a strange one
[20:42] <th34lch3m1st> How weird it is?
[20:42] <th34lch3m1st> This is the behavior at every start.
[20:45] <N4-DELTA> had frustration with my keyboard for ages, ended up using irqfixup, not ideal, but solved it for now
[20:46] <th34lch3m1st> N4-DELTA gnome that doesn't set "the focus" for the input method? (I'm hardly guessing here)
[20:47] <N4-DELTA> no, it solves some IRQ issues, which was the cause of my keyboard randomly working/breaking ... depends on the cause of the problem
[20:47] <th34lch3m1st> N4-DELTA last month I have used this keyboard for 30 days on 19.04, no problem whatsoever....
[20:48] <th34lch3m1st> :) don't set the focus I was referring to my problem :)
[20:50] <th34lch3m1st> N4-DELTA I still have the older keyboard, I could try it, but I bet will behave the same
[20:50] <N4-DELTA> that would be my first step
[20:51] <N4-DELTA> quite a specific bug, dont have a solution for ya i'm afraid
[20:52] <th34lch3m1st> just a sec I try
[20:54] <th34lch3m1st> N4-DELTA nope. older keyboard does't work at all. I try to reboot
[20:55] <N4-DELTA> try adding irqfixup to boot options, might at least let you rule that out
[20:55] <th34lch3m1st> just a sec....login....
[20:55] <N4-DELTA> since upgrading to 20.04, i've had constant headaches with USB and SPI lol
[20:56] <th34lch3m1st> older keyboard works on login......
[20:57] <th34lch3m1st> ... and it works on all sofware....damn...
[20:57] <th34lch3m1st> the new keyboard is the problem?
[20:58] <th34lch3m1st> yep, it seems so
[20:58] <N4-DELTA> maybe try the new one on a different computer?
[20:58] <th34lch3m1st> now I try a live switch between the two
[20:59] <th34lch3m1st> also the new works now on every app
[20:59] <th34lch3m1st> seems a startup problem
[20:59] <N4-DELTA> are they USB keyboards?
[21:00] <th34lch3m1st> switching to the new keyboard if i boot with the old one works
[21:00] <th34lch3m1st> both
[21:00] <th34lch3m1st> both combo with moue
[21:00] <th34lch3m1st> *mouse
[21:00] <N4-DELTA> its weird tho, because the keyboard isnt failing completly
[21:01] <th34lch3m1st> that's my point
[21:01] <th34lch3m1st> it's a wm gdm things , I bet on that
[21:02] <th34lch3m1st> the new one is a hp pavilion 800 with its own mouse, but I don't use that mouse I use a vertical one
[21:02] <th34lch3m1st> two different wireless receiver
[21:03] <N4-DELTA> i wonder if ubuntu is treating it like a trackpad, and disabling the keyboard while the mouse is working... there is an option for that on most laptops
[21:03] <th34lch3m1st> desktop here
[21:04] <N4-DELTA> yeah, it might be confused because its a combination (if I read right..)
[21:04] <th34lch3m1st> it's a disabled keyboard I think, it type on the second terminal tab but not in the first
[21:05] <th34lch3m1st> *it's not a disabled keyboard things
[21:05] <th34lch3m1st> this is very very weird
[21:08] <th34lch3m1st> also, it not shut down property, never. It shutdown properly only if I click reboot.
[21:08] <th34lch3m1st> it hangs on black screen with ubuntu logo at the bottom ,
[21:09] <th34lch3m1st> No disk activities
[21:10] <th34lch3m1st> I use to set acpi=off on 12.04 and 16.04 to boog ubuntu on this same machine
[21:10] <N4-DELTA> check your logs for errors during boot and shutdown - might give you a clue; worth trying boot option irqfixup too, incase its conflict issue, ..might be able to find that in logs too
[21:10] <th34lch3m1st> *to boot
[21:10] <N4-DELTA> fingers cross for ya! gotta run
[21:10] <th34lch3m1st> N4-DELTA thanks for hints
[21:11] <N4-DELTA> welcome, sorry couldnt give you a direct solution!
[21:21] <analogical> in the termianl how do I search for a folder with a certain name?
[21:23] <analogical> if I want to search for a folder called "music" what to I type in the terminal?
[21:23] <addc182> is there a good way to set the interface naming scheme to eth0, eth1 etc in 20.04?
[21:23] <leftyfb> analogical: use "find" or "locate"
[21:25] <addc182> and still be able to use cloud-init
[21:29] <oerheks> addc182, i would not suggest to do so.
[21:29] <addc182> i also would prefer not to
[21:29] <oerheks> get used to the new interface naming.
[21:32] <jeremy31> addc182: Search for predictable interface naming freedesktop
[21:33] <addc182> its not a preference thing, there is a "quirk" in a tool I am using that seems to require it :(
[21:35] <oerheks> seems like an outdated tool
[21:35] <analogical> leftyfb, doesn't work. Any alternatives?
[21:36] <oerheks> analogical, should work; locate Music
[21:36] <oerheks> standard folders have a capital letter
[21:46] <leftyfb> analogical: if locate didn't work, you're either not specifying the correct name or didn't update the database. If find isn't working you're either not specifying the correct name/regex or location to search in. Or it doesn't exist
[21:49] <oerheks> maybe he wants to search on NTFS?
[21:50] <analogical> leftyfb, I tried to search for a folder I know exist but it didn't find that even
[21:51] <analogical> why is something as trivial as searching for a folder this crazy complicated?
[21:54] <oerheks> so, it does not exist, else 'locate' would show it
[21:54] <oerheks> is this folder on NTFS or Ext4?
[21:55] <analogical> Ext4
[21:56] <oerheks> then you should check, you said it is there, for capital letters. locate is case sensitive
[21:57] <oerheks> or funny spaces in folder/file name..
[22:01] <oerheks> and please do cross post in ##linux
[22:23] <fragg> what are some cool features of ubuntu, i think i might switch to it
[22:23] <fragg> how does it compare to the more minimal distros for example
[22:24] <oerheks> fragg, this community and help irc
[22:25] <oerheks> this is just technical support, not the linux compare polling channel
[22:25] <Bashing-om> fragg: It's open source - all yours to make of it what you want. burn some .ISOs and see which you like - all bout what "you" prefer.
[22:25] <oerheks> for that, join ##linux
[22:25] <fragg> oerheks: i'm banned there
[22:25] <oerheks> interesting ..\
[22:26] <oerheks> sarnold, now it happened to me.
[22:26] <sarnold> oerheks: it's spreading!!
[23:23] <avih> hi, i'm running 18.04 LTS, and i did not yet get a notification to update to 20.04.1 . i read here https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/08/ubuntu-20-04-1-lts-release that it should have been offered as update more than a week ago. my system is up to date in general (i updare at least once a week). any ideas what to check, or whether it indeed should have been offered by now?
[23:24] <sarnold> avih: I think your machine will offer it once it is no longer in this file https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development
[23:24] <avih> (this is the same system since 12.04 or 14.04, been upgrading to the next LTS whenever it was offered till now)
[23:26] <avih> sarnold: thanks, but not sure i follow. are you saying the statement at the link i posted is incorrect, and in fact it's still not offered? (i don't mind waiting, i'm just asking in case it should have been offered by now)
[23:26] <oerheks> it might take some hours/days/weeks, we don't know.
[23:26] <oerheks> so, you did not miss a thing/did anything wrong.
[23:27] <avih> let me paraphrase, did people already got upgrade notifications?
[23:27] <oerheks> .. but you can with the -d option, i would wait.
[23:27] <oerheks> no
[23:27] <sarnold> if you want to install it before it's promoted you can run do-release-upgrade -d
[23:27] <oerheks> !ltsupgrade
[23:27] <avih> i don't want to install before. i'm fine waiting a week or 3 months.
[23:27] <oerheks> wish i had a list of things that is bug-ging the upgrade...
[23:28] <avih> so this statement at the link is wrong? "Freshly spun ISO aside it is from today that users who run Ubuntu 18.04 LTS ‘Bionic Beaver’ will see a notification asking if they want to upgrade to Ubuntu 20.04."
[23:28] <oerheks> yes.
[23:29] <avih> gotcha. much appreciated.
[23:29] <sarnold> well, "from today" could also mean "it didn't happen yesterday or before"
[23:29] <kxsl> already upgraded because sound wasn't working on my new motherboard. it went well, but guest resizing in virtualbox not working is the only major problem I have
[23:29] <avih> sarnold: sure, but i'm asking if it started or not.
[23:32] <avih> so, is there any specific place which shows the status or what's blocking it from being offered as LTS upgrade?
[23:33] <avih> iirc previous LTS releases were a week or two past the begining of july, but this one seems to take longer.
[23:33] <avih> s/releases/upgrade offers/
[23:33] <sarnold> avih: not that I know of, no
[23:34] <avih> all right. i'll just keep tracking the 20.04 pages then (which i did, and it kept saying not yet... not yet... but i just checked now and it said that from a week ago it's a go! but alas.. ;) )
[23:35] <oerheks> blame corona
[23:35] <avih> anyway, if anyone can at least remove the incorrect message, i think it would help avoid confusion.
[23:36] <avih> at this page https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/08/ubuntu-20-04-1-lts-release
[23:36] <oerheks> oh, omgubuntu is an user blog
[23:36] <oerheks> nothing official, they love to write about mint too
[23:36] <avih> oh...
[23:36] <sarnold> the author may have contact information somewhere on the site
[23:37] <oerheks> ask him to write a piece about this delay ;-)
[23:38] <avih> nono, my bad, sorry, i thought it's an official page. i'll try to find an official page which mentions anything. pardon the noise.
[23:39] <sarnold> oerheks: heh yes, an opportunity to write an article and maybe answer the question :)
[23:40] <shibboleth> which question?
[23:40] <oerheks> one catches flies with sugar
[23:40] <shibboleth> oerheks, and bees with honey
[23:40] <oerheks> avih, no problem, keep on reading!
[23:40] <SignalNewb> Wow. I never had to do all this weird registering like 15 years ago :p
[23:41] <oerheks> !yay | SignalNewb
[23:41] <oerheks> shibboleth, about the delay of the upgrade path 20.04.
[23:43] <SignalNewb> I need some advice please. I just installed ubuntu dual booting with Windows 10. I had to add "nomodeset" to even see the boot up. It installed fine but video playback is horribly choppy. Nvidia drivers are installed. Any advise?
[23:44] <oerheks> what ubuntu version, what nvidia card and driver?
[23:44] <shibboleth> i never really got people who do major upgrades
[23:45] <avih> well, the release notes for 20.04.1 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes#Get_Ubuntu_20.04.1_LTS  mention "The -d switch is necessary to upgrade from Ubuntu 18.04 LTS as upgrades have not yet been enabled"
[23:45] <shibboleth> all i know is that there is no pre-chewed way to then downgrade
[23:45] <avih> so i guess this answers the question of whether it's offered yet or not.
[23:45] <oerheks> how about stay ontopic, shibboleth, ubuntu support only
[23:45] <avih> that's the best i could find so far on ubuntu.com
[23:45] <shibboleth> and i've had it with fossa, will stay with bionic for a while
[23:46] <shibboleth> thanks for all the fish, get a clue
[23:46] <SignalNewb> Ubuntu 20.04.1, RTX 2080 Super, nvidia-driver-440
[23:48] <avih> sarnold: status https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/focal-fossa-20-04-1-lts-point-release-status-tracking/17604  linked from https://askubuntu.com/a/1266903/368010
[23:50] <sarnold> avih: aha! bummer though, that's still for .1, not flipping the switch :(
[23:52] <avih> well, i don't mind when they flip it, so as long as i know, i'm fine ;)
[23:53] <avih> like, i was thinking something is maybe blocking my upgrade, but as ong as it's simply not offered yet, that's fine.