[00:07] <SignalNewb> What are some ways I can test my sound if its not working? I already made sure it's not muted. The speakers are on and connected. I'm not sure if the sound device detected is correct. It's built in, not a seperate audio card. I see blue bars moving under output device because I'm playing music. I just hear nothing
[00:08] <SignalNewb> sudo lspci shows me a lot of stuff O_O
[00:08] <th34lch3m1st> Hi all
[00:09] <Bashing-om> !sound | SignalNewb
[00:09] <th34lch3m1st> hi all
[00:13] <th34lch3m1st> 20.04 keyboard randomly stop type on terminal, gedit, firefox url. If I open a second tab in the terminal the keyboard works, but not in the first tab.
[00:15] <th34lch3m1st> If I kill ibus-daemon keyboard works everywhere immediately.
[00:15] <th34lch3m1st> What's the deal?
[00:19] <Jakethepython> Good evening everyone i just update from 18.04 to 20.04 and have the folowing error
[00:19] <Jakethepython> Errors were encountered while processing:
[00:19] <Jakethepython>  gstreamer1.0-x:i386
[00:19] <Jakethepython> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[00:20] <sarnold> Jakethepython: can you put the whole thing on a pastebin site?
[00:20] <Jakethepython> Yes sorry
[00:21] <Mystified> Good Morning All.  10:20 am on Sunny winters day, in Syd Aus.
[00:22] <Mystified> top of 21'c forcast.
[00:22] <th34lch3m1st> Is there alternatives to kill ibus-daemon everytime keyboard stop working? Or should I just replace gnome 3?
[00:22] <Jakethepython> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/srxYYJDDvY/
[00:23] <Mystified> need some help, I have a touch screen allin onw laptop lenova 520
[00:23] <Mystified> need some help, I have a touch screen all in one laptop lenova 520 yoga
[00:23] <Mystified> the cat walked on the keyboard
[00:23] <sarnold> Jakethepython: ohbummer, I was hoping that would have the whole set of errors :(
[00:24] <sarnold> Jakethepython: so, try apt install --reinstall gstreamer1.0-x:i386 --- see what that does
[00:24] <Mystified> I'd like to disable temporily the gnome virtual keyboard & test the the florence virtual keyboard
[00:24] <Mystified> what is the best way to do that
[00:24] <Mystified> I'm not that technical
[00:25] <Mystified> thanks kindly, if you can help D
[00:26] <Jakethepython> That seems to have cleared it
[00:26] <Jakethepython> thank you
[00:27] <Mystified> lorence/focal,now 0.6.3-1.2 amd64 [installed]
[00:27] <Mystified>   extensible and scalable virtual keyboard for X
[00:27] <sarnold> Jakethepython: woot :)
[00:31] <th34lch3m1st> ibus-daemon anyone?
[00:32] <Mystified> http://florence.sourceforge.net/english.html
[00:33] <p0a> Hello when I use `gnome-terminal' on ubuntu
[00:33] <p0a> my bash shell has -v set. How can I disable that? (who set -v?)
[00:33] <p0a> locally in a single instance I can disable it with `set +v'
[00:39] <sarnold> p0a: I think you may have to do some grepping: try grep -r 'set.*-v' /etc/bash* /etc/profile* ~/.bash* ~/.profile
[00:40] <p0a> sarnold:
[00:40] <p0a> thank you
[00:40] <th34lch3m1st> hi all
[00:40] <p0a> sarnold: no results
[00:41] <sarnold> p0a: ow :(
[00:42] <sarnold> hey th34lch3m1st
[00:42] <th34lch3m1st> 20.04 tracker-miner-fs keep my cpu load over 70% for more than 2 minutes at every start.
[00:45] <p0a> sarnold: mysteriously it was set somehow but now I realize it is not set anymore in any further invocations of gnome-terminal
[00:45] <p0a> I'm not sure what happened
[00:46] <p0a> nevermind, I'm just a noob :D
[00:47] <sarnold> p0a: i wonder where it came from :/ that would be really annoying
[00:47] <p0a> sarnold: I am really confused; I did notice that when I pressed ^D to exit gnome-terminal, it said `exit'; I had to press ^D once again
[00:47] <p0a> so somehow I must've put myself in a subshell and not sure how ...
[00:47] <p0a> probably drunken fingers or something. Glad I'm not root :D
[00:49] <sarnold> p0a: check out man bash, search for ignoreeof
[00:49] <sarnold> *maybe* you were nested, maybe not..
[00:49] <sarnold> it's always fun to find nested bash shells three or four layers deep when shutting down..
[00:49] <p0a> haha while bash scripting is a joy, this sort of thing is strange :)
[00:50] <sarnold> this may be the first time I've heard bash scripting described as a joy :D
[00:51] <p0a> :)
[01:03] <za711667877504> Hello. I needed some help with installing linux on a virtual machine in a windows host, I am getting an error and just tried with ubuntu and have saved my error messages and syslog
[01:04] <za711667877504> i can pass that along if that helps
[01:07] <Zayd> Hello. I needed some help with installing linux on a virtual machine in a windows host, I am getting an error and just tried with ubuntu and have saved my error messages and syslog
[01:07] <Zayd> i can pass that along if that helps
[01:07] <Zayd> sorry just added a new Nick and I'm kind of new to this. that's why i repeated the message
[01:09] <Bashing-om> Zayd: No great big biggy about the repost - just be patient and await one who knows.
[01:10] <pavlos> Zayd: what are you using for virtualization?
[01:12] <sarnold> Zayd: probably best to pastebin what you've got, without that it's hard to make any suggestions
[01:18] <argusbr> http://i.imgur.com/jngOvgE.png how to solve problem?
[01:19] <pavlos> argusbr: you might need sudo to do something in /etc/fstab
[01:21] <argusbr> pavlos how to open in visual root user?
[01:25] <pavlos> argusbr: open a terminal, type, sudo su it will ask for password, then the prompt becomes # which is root
[01:26] <argusbr> gnome-disks
[01:26] <argusbr> launcher's name
[01:38] <cybrNaut> i have a misbehaving screen lock (doesn't give the password field, or gives it but it doesn't accept input)
[01:39] <cybrNaut> so i'm locked out, but I can ssh in
[01:39] <cybrNaut> what can should i kill?
[01:39] <cybrNaut> s/can/
[01:42] <ZAhmed> sorry i was away from computer. i was asking for some help with installing ubuntu on VirtualBOx on a windows host system.
[01:43] <ZAhmed> i have the sys log and someone suggetesd that i use some kind of paste tool
[01:43] <ZAhmed> i haven't used it before. do you need my syslog? how do i go ahead and paste it?
[01:44] <Bashing-om> !paste | ZAhmed
[01:44] <saladsolutions> So I have a simple question. In my ryslog.conf file I have $DirCreateMode 0755, but the directories that get created are 0700. Anyone have an idea why this would happen? Running Ubuntu 20.04LTS with rsyslogd
[01:45] <saladsolutions> 8.2001.0
[01:47] <pavlos> did you restart rsyslog? systemctl restart rsyslog.service
[01:50] <saladsolutions> Yeah, I have. $DirCreateMode 0755 is in the config file by default though.
[01:52] <Bashing-om> ZAhmed: Alternately there is "termbin". Usage: nc termbin.com 9999 < your.file .
[01:55] <Bashing-om> !pastebinit | ZAhmed
[01:57] <TacoCodedSalad> is Ubuntu's window manager pixel accurate?
[01:57] <saladsolutions> pavlos: Perhaps adding lines to the config file could be preventing the parsing of any variables below a certain point, but I don't see anything that I added that looks wrong
[02:03] <Bashing-om> ZAhmed: From your syslog file "intel_pstate: CPU model not supported" did you enable VM in the firmware ?
[02:03] <TacoCodedSalad> as in Ubuntu, i have 400 pixels, however in OpenGL it needs a max of 401 pixels, due to NDC to Window space conversion, -1 is 0th pixel and 1 is 400th pixel, however in ubuntu the max pixel is 399 for a 400 by 400 window
[02:05] <TacoCodedSalad> and NO, making the window 401 by 401 WILL NOT work since opengl will just make NDC 1 be 401 instead
[02:06] <TacoCodedSalad> which, in terms of window pixels, the max will be 400 making 401 off screen
[02:08] <pavlos> saladsolutions: can you show that part of the rsyslog.conf
[02:13] <pavlos> saladsolutions: usually, add your custom in /etc/rsyslog.d/60-custom.conf which will be included. If directories don't exist, you may need $CreateDirs on before your rule
[02:17] <slicktux> Hello all, what service is responsible for creating the file "dnsmasq.leases" in DIR /var/lib/misc/
[02:17] <slicktux> ?
[02:18] <slicktux> I ask because I have on Ubuntu box that has the file and I can cat < but my other box gives me error output "No such file or directory" when trying to cat <
[02:18] <GSMarquis> How do I use gnome boxes and point it to local address?
[02:18] <slicktux> s/on/one
[02:20] <sarnold> slicktux: try fuser /var/lib/misc/dnsmasq.leases  or fuser /var/lib/misc/  -- you might find the process still running
[02:20] <oerheks> dpkg -S dnsmasq.leases gives nothing
[02:20] <sarnold> slicktux: also try ps auxw | grep dnsmasq
[02:20] <pavlos> slicktux: do you have a dnsmasq.service
[02:21] <leftyfb> slicktux: dnsmasq creates that file
[02:21] <slicktux> pavlos: Can I check for its existence in /etc/init.d?
[02:21] <leftyfb> slicktux: what are you trying to do exactly?
[02:21] <slicktux> I am not used to systemd. . .come from openRC
[02:22] <p0a> Hello I installed virtualbox via apt and then removed it; installed via .deb; got error; dpkg reconfigured; then I had virtualbox
[02:22] <slicktux> I just need to read into the file so I can obtain my Pi's IP and SSH into it. . .
[02:22] <p0a> (the correct, .deb version). but after a restart, now `virtualbox' is not found. What happened?
[02:22] <leftyfb> slicktux: ok?
[02:22] <slicktux> sarnold: Thanks but the file foers not exist
[02:22] <pavlos> slicktux: as others wrote, is there a dnsmasq process running
[02:23] <slicktux> I want to know why the file dnsmasq.lease is not being created. . .how can I check is dnsmasq.service is active?
[02:23] <sarnold> slicktux: so, what exactly are you trying to do?
[02:23] <slicktux> I do not know how to do that with systemd
[02:23] <kxsl> p0a, use oracle's repo if you want the latest version or the one from apt if you need support for secure boot
[02:23] <sarnold> slicktux: it sounds a bit like you're heading down the path of running two dhcp servers on your network, which will lead you to insanity
[02:23] <oerheks> systemctrl status x.service
[02:24] <oerheks> without r..
[02:24] <leftyfb> slicktux: you don't have dnsmasq installed, that's why the file doesn't exist
[02:24] <p0a> kxsl: what happened to my virtualbox?
[02:24] <p0a> kxsl: I thought it was installed; why did rebooting remove it?
[02:24] <oerheks> i think it is easy to find howto show status of a service,
[02:26] <saladsolutions> pavlos: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WswmcykRZW/
[02:26] <oerheks> p0a, so you removed virtualbox, but did not reboot to completely wipe the dkms?
[02:26] <pavlos> slicktux: you should have a dnsmasq.conf probably in /etc/
[02:26] <slicktux> oerheks: Thanks! looks like I do not have dnsmasq installed (as others mentioned) did Ubuntu 18 have it installed by default? Can't recall if I installed it or not. . .thats the box that has the file I am searching for "dnsmasq.lease. . . I am running latest ubuntu on the box that has said file missing
[02:27] <kxsl> p0a, dont know but it doesn't show up in the menus anymore? or if you search the filesystem for it?
[02:28] <pavlos> saladsolutions: this is the basic rsyslog.conf
[02:28] <p0a> oerheks: not sure what dkms is
[02:29] <p0a> oerheks: I removed virtualbox and tried to install the .deb one; got an error and had to dpkg reconfigure, and that's where I left it
[02:29] <pavlos> saladsolutions: if I look at my dirs in /var/log/ I see them as 755
[02:29] <p0a> it then claimed via -v that the right version was installed
[02:29] <p0a> i.e. vboxmanage -v I think
[02:29] <slicktux> Thanks for the help guys! need to brush up on my systemd. . .
[02:29] <slicktux> lol
[02:30] <oerheks> p0a, why did you remove the vbox from our repos?
[02:31] <p0a> oerheks: 'our'? I wanted the latest version to get support advice from the virtualbox channel here on freenode
[02:31] <p0a> (turns out I was experiencing a bug because I was using a tablet and not a mouse, irrelevant of the version I was using)
[02:31] <p0a> should I just apt install virtualbox?
[02:33] <oerheks> That is the one *we* support ..
[02:33] <oerheks> what bug with tablet?
[02:34] <kxsl> p0a, personally I would if it all possible. #vbox is very helpful, I only installed from ubuntu repo because oracle's version broke with secure boot
[02:34] <kxsl> not sure if that's still the case
[02:34] <p0a> kxsl: personally, you would what?
[02:34] <oerheks> kxsl, i think it is, disable secureboot would fix that
[02:35] <p0a> oerheks: I checked with xev that my tablet sends ButtonPress but not ButtonRelease, and I think that causes the virtualbox GUI buttons to not press when I click on them
[02:35] <p0a> oerheks: so I switched from a tablet to a mouse (at the time, I had not realized that I _had_ a mouse, so I was using a tablet)
[02:35] <p0a> oerheks: this seems virtualbox-specific because other Qt applications work fine
[02:35] <p0a> (such as VLC), but don't take my word for it
[02:37] <p0a> anyway... I'll just use the ubuntu repos and install virtualbox again. I see no harm done in this. I wasn't sure before but after chatting here, I think it's ok. Thank you :)
[02:39] <p0a> oerheks: I'm talking about a wacom-like tablet btw if that is not clear
[02:39] <p0a> btw -> by the way
[02:43] <ZAhmed> Bashing-om: ok
[02:44] <Bashing-om> ZAhmed: Mind ya - I have limited experience with VMs :(
[02:44] <ZAhmed> Bashing-om: No worries man
[02:44] <ZAhmed> can you tell me how to tag you properly when I respond on here
[02:44] <ZAhmed> and I thought I had enabled it in bios
[02:44] <ZAhmed> intel virtualization technology
[02:44] <ZAhmed> maybe it didn't save or something
[02:44] <ZAhmed> let me reset my bios and try again
[02:45] <ZAhmed> haha and it's all good i appreciate any support i can get
[02:45] <ZAhmed> you know more than me lol
[02:46] <Bashing-om> !tab | ZAhmed
[02:46] <ZAhmed> weird it seems on in bios but maybe there's a setting in windows that allows it
[02:47] <ZAhmed> ubottu, thank you
[02:48] <ZAhmed> ubottu, haha
[02:48] <Bashing-om> ZAhmed: that "non support" advisory stops me cold - others here have the greater experience. Post your syslog file link here for the channel.
[02:48] <pavlos> ZAhmed: virtualization is enabled in BIOS; in win10 you can enable Hyper-V
[02:50] <ZAhmed> pavlos, : i think i found my problem
[02:50] <ZAhmed> pavlos: hyper v is a windows 10 feature not found in windows 10 home i think
[02:51] <ZAhmed> pavlos: that's pretty crazy
[02:51] <pavlos> ZAhmed: is the host win10 or ubuntu?
[02:51] <ZAhmed> win10
[02:51] <ZAhmed> win10 home i believe
[02:51] <saladsolutions> pavlos: do you think it could be because I am using a different directory than /var/log?
[02:51] <ZAhmed> pavlos: guest os is ubuntu. host is windows 10
[02:52] <pavlos> saladsolutions: you could use any dir but if rsyslog has to create it, you need the flag I wrote earlier
[02:52] <pavlos> saladsolutions: https://serverfault.com/questions/746721/is-it-possible-for-rsyslog-to-create-a-directory
[02:53] <pavlos> ZAhmed: win10home does NOT include Hyper-V
[02:53] <saladsolutions> $CreateDirs? But the directories were created without it.
[02:53] <ZAhmed> pavlos: that's pretty crazy so i have to pay a 100 bucks. i have free education from school but i already installed it on another system
[02:53] <pavlos> saladsolutions: see the link I sent
[02:54] <ZAhmed> pavlos: so the only option would be to have a dual boot on my windows system? and then virtualize from there if i wanted to learn centos or opensuse for my course?
[02:54] <ZAhmed> pavlos: not the most efficient but if it's the only option
[02:54] <pavlos> ZAhmed: can you install virtualbox on your win10home?
[02:55] <sarnold> saladsolutions: if the rsyslogd directory creation stuff is frustrating, you could also use tmpfiles.d(5) to create directories
[02:56] <saladsolutions> pavlos: if its on by default then do I still need to add the flag?
[02:56] <oerheks> windows 10 home and virtualbox and antivirus...
[02:57] <pavlos> saladsolutions: no, if dir exists, you dont need the flag
[02:57] <pavlos> ZAhmed: you CAN install virtualbox on win10home and then install a guest OS of your choice (centos, ubuntu, suse)
[02:58] <oerheks> you might want to check in ##windows, some forums give this https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=94202#p454648
[02:58] <sarnold> ZAhmed: if you've got to use windows on the one machine and can't virtualize on it, and don't want to dual-boot, you could always buy an rpi to run a linux system. they're pretty cheap and give good results for the price, and it might be cheaper than buying a windows license that lets you use virtualization
[02:58] <oerheks> run bcedit command to disable hyper-V and shutdown/restarted
[02:58] <oerheks> bla bla
[02:58] <sarnold> ZAhmed: another choice is to try out the windows subsystem for linux; there's millions of people using that, but it's got a lot of restrictions, too
[02:59] <saladsolutions> pavlos: https://www.rsyslog.com/doc/master/configuration/modules/omfile.html
[02:59] <oerheks> sarnold, wsl on home?
[03:00] <sarnold> oerheks: I have no idea
[03:00] <oerheks> only on pro ..
[03:00] <sarnold> oh :(
[03:00] <oerheks> anyway, this is not the right channel for windows issue, we might give wrong answers
[03:00] <pavlos> ZAhmed: goto https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads select windows hosts and install VB on your machine
[03:00] <sarnold> obviously, heh :)
[03:00] <saladsolutions> pavlos: Does that mean the $createdir flag is set to on by default?
[03:01] <oerheks> saladsolutions, you can check in your /etc/rsyslog.conf
[03:01] <pavlos> saladsolutions: the flag is needed IF rsyslog has to create the dir
[03:04] <saladsolutions> pavlo: Okay, I'll add the flag, remove the previous dirs it created, restart the service, and see if the new dirs it creates have the correct permissions
[03:05] <pavlos> saladsolutions: ok, I think the serverfault link I sent explains the issue
[03:10] <saladsolutions> pavlos: should I place the flag after or before &~?
[03:12] <saladsolutions> pavlos: the serverfault link says to place it before a line that I don't have
[03:14] <pavlos> saladsolutions: you have a rule to write logs to /var/log/salad/something.log so the $CreateDirs goes before that rule ... the /var/log/salad/ dir should be 755
[03:14] <pavlos> ZAhmed: tutorial ... https://www.shaileshjha.com/how-to-install-oracle-vm-virtualbox-5-in-windows-10/
[03:19] <ZAhmed> thank you to everyone that responded. i have ubuntu that i installed on a cheap hp laptop but i wanted to try and run it on a faster machine. so i'll just do everything off there. that's where im chatting from rn
[03:19] <ZAhmed> thanks for all the help
[03:19] <ZAhmed> kind of dumb that microsoft has that restriction but yay for open source
[03:20] <ZAhmed> really appreciate all the help pavlos and anyone else that responded
[03:20] <oerheks> have fun!
[03:20] <pavlos> ZAhmed: good luck
[03:20] <ZAhmed> thanks!
[03:20] <ZAhmed> pavlos: THank you good luck with whatever you're doing
[03:20] <ZAhmed> !
[03:20] <Bashing-om> ZAhmed: Help is what we do :D
[03:20] <ZAhmed> Bashing-om: :))
[03:21] <ZAhmed> Got a lot to learn but it's certainly interesting stuff
[03:22] <pavlos> ZAhmed: there are many virtualization programs (vmware, virtualbox, hyper-V). It happens that Hyper-V is not avail in win10home. You can try any of the other programs
[03:22] <Bashing-om> ZAhmed: In your learning process - bear in mind that ubuntu is a fast moving target - things can change rapidly. What was true yesterday, may no longer apply.
[03:23] <ZAhmed> Bashing-om: Interesting. I was using debian when I was learning on my own but recently switched to ubuntu because I'm taking an online beginner course for certifcation hopefully
[03:23] <pavlos> ZAhmed: and you should learn linux -- it's a good thing.
[03:23] <ZAhmed> Yeah the course I'm in suggested ubuntu but i preferred debian because it's more bare bones i feel and i heard it's more stable
[03:24] <ZAhmed> yeah it sounds like you can do a lot of cool stuff with it like archiving and backups and all this stuff
[03:24] <ZAhmed> but thing is at this point whenever i run into a problem it's just easier to go back to windows or mac. but it's interesting to learn on the side
[03:25] <Bashing-om> ZAhmed: Faint heart never won fair lady :P
[03:26] <ZAhmed> Bashing-om: A beautiful way to say it lol
[03:26] <ZAhmed> ;)
[03:27] <saladsolutions> pavlos: It's still setting the dirs as 0700
[03:28] <ZAhmed> pavlos: one thing I tried but i couldn't get to work is i tried to install whatsapp desktop using wine. that was a headache that didn't lead anywhere lol. but maybe that's too ambitious
[03:28] <pavlos> saladsolutions: well, I'd have to try the serverfault example
[03:29] <saladsolutions> pavlos: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mFTM5BqpSH/
[03:30] <saladsolutions> pavlos: I added the $CreateDirs flag
[03:31] <oerheks> whatsapp .. only unofficial clients.. https://itsfoss.com/whatsapp-linux-desktop/
[03:31] <oerheks> good luck with that ..
[03:32] <saladsolutions> pavlos: there must be a simple reason why it's not applying 0755. From what I've read, not having the $DirCreateMode 0755 line defaults the permission to 0700, but I do have that line
[03:35] <pavlos> saladsolutions: look in /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/00rsyslog.conf maybe you can override the perm
[03:37] <pavlos> saladsolutions: the last entry forces /var/sppol/rsyslog to be 700 with uid gid, maybe you can add your own in there
[03:37] <pavlos> spool*
[03:41] <saladsolutions> pavlos: I added the $DirCreateMode 0755 before my log creation line and it works
[03:42] <pavlos> saladsolutions: great!
[03:43] <saladsolutions> pavlos: so it seems, it previously was creating the directories before reading the $DirCreateMode variable, this defaulting to 0700
[03:43] <saladsolutions> *thus
[03:44] <saladsolutions> pavlos: Thanks for all the help! What a pain! But it's done. :)
[03:44] <pavlos> saladsolutions: yw
[03:46] <ZAhmed> saladsolutions: thanks. i thought as much
[03:52] <pavlos> saladsolutions: so you moved line 50 to line 26
[03:54] <saladsolutions> pavlos: yep
[03:55] <saladsolutions> pavlos: I would think it would read all the flags in the file before doing anything, but I guess not
[03:58] <pavlos> saladsolutions: I wonder if line 26 becomes $CreateDirs on and line 50 remains as is ... does it create the dir as 700?
[04:00] <pavlos> got to go, more tomorrow.
[04:05] <saladsolutions> pavlos: doing that makes the dirs 0700
[04:05] <saladsolutions> pavlos: see you
[04:51] <scythefwd2> well.. found a work around to my failed attemps to network with ax200
[04:52] <scythefwd2> just usb tether and share my phones wifi.. though that seems dodgy as hell too
[06:16] <giacomo> inxi -A shows my soundcard, but has the drive as N/A.  How can I assign the driver?
[06:28] <sub526> Hi all, I'm having an Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS system. But I need to use the Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS kernel on my system, can someone suggest how to get that kernel?
[07:23] <JeroenK> Morning :)  I installed the Dissenter browser via Software, but it doesn' t seem to work. Clicking via Applications or hitting it in my favourites bar, nothing at all seems to happen.
[07:26] <Armageddon> JeroenK, maybe try to run it from a terminal and see why it's failing ?
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> JeroenK: we usually forward snap issues to their maintainer, but in this case it doenst show the contact dev
[07:29] <JeroenK> not sure what command to type, tried a few, no result
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> JeroenK: publisher: Gab AI, Inc. (gabdotcom)
[07:30] <JeroenK> from the top of my head i remember trying dissenter and dissenter-browser
[07:30] <JeroenK> ah, ok, so i need to contact themselves. k
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> JeroenK: yes, ubuntu volunteers cant support snaps when they are externaly maintainted
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> JeroenK: for snaps that are from canonical using launchpad, its possible
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> JeroenK: you could open a realtime: journalctl -f to see what happens when you launch it
[07:36] <JeroenK> literally nothing, and when doing the command in terminal all i get is command not found
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> JeroenK: how about in the /snap folder dissenter dir? can you launch things from there?
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> JeroenK: seems to work like a charm for me on 20.04 ubuntu-desktop, wich flavour are you on?
[07:40] <JeroenK> hm, interesting, there' s no dissenter folder there. using 20.04 btw
[07:40] <JeroenK> if i remember correctly, i learned about snap after i found dissenter in Software.
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> JeroenK: https://imgur.com/a/eDp8DmB
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> JeroenK: i do get some errors in journal though, dissenter-browser_dissenter.desktop[1670246]: This likely means that your installation is broken.
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> JeroenK: seems there's like a lot of fixes needed on it
[07:46] <JeroenK> wait, its suddenly up, no idea why. I right clicked on the Dissenter icon in my favourites bar > Show details, Software comes up, but it doesnt show details. but I check for the browser in Software, shows its installed and click there on Launch. And voila....
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> JeroenK: tons of errors in journal, and crashes on me when trying to upload a pic from imgur
[07:48] <JeroenK> Hm, badly maintained I suppose. Too bad, I was curious about it.
[07:49] <JeroenK> now i remember, Run Command, that' s Alt+F2, but key F2 is also a volume key, and when i do Alt+F2, all i do is lower the volume. Is there an alt. combination? (ps, only since recent running ubuntu 20.04, been too long on 14.04 :P ))
[08:00] <JeroenK> And one more: Got autohide set for the Top Bar, but whenever i make it appear I also get windows overview (or whatever the proper description is) If I want that overview I got the Superkey for that. Is there a way to just have that Top Bar appear and that' s it?
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> JeroenK: to tweak things around, try out gnome-tweaks and dconf-editor
[08:09] <JeroenK> See nothing in Tweaks, installingdconf-editor now
[08:33] <JeroenK> Dont think i see an option. sweet toy btw, dconf, might try to play with it a bit, carefully.
[08:42] <k_sze> My laptop had 16 GiB of RAM and it frequently ran out of memory, using up all of the swap and causing Ubuntu to hang for minutes until Microsoft Teams crashes. Yesterday I changed the RAM sticks so it now has 32 GiB. But now it behaves as though it never needed the extra RAM. RAM usage is now below 12 GiB with 0 byte in swap, even with Visual Studio Code open and a *huge* Figma in a Firefox tab. /facepalm
[09:01] <jelly> well, you did say "Teams"
[09:05] <amuro> k_sze: maybe too much porn?
[09:58] <funnybunny2> Where do I set the keyboard key repeat interval when holding down a key?
[09:58] <funnybunny2> I'm on 18.04
[09:59] <funnybunny2> Ah, I found it under Settings -> Universal Access -> Typing. I was looking under Settings -> Keyboard
[11:43] <hirogen> hi
[12:42] <scythefwd2> has anyone had much success doing usb tethering with their phones?
[13:00] <overclock> yes, but with ipv6 you may need a openvpn file, tunnels seems not working
[13:00] <overclock> over 4g/5g/phone i meant
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:25] <scythefwd2> overclock - my android connects for about 10 seconds, then I lose all network connections again
[14:04] <realtime-neil> Can I keep ascii-armored pubkeys under /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ or must all such pubkeys be dearmored ?
[14:15] <mason> realtime-neil: Yeah, that works.
[14:17] <realtime-neil> mason: I'm getting this when I try: `W: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal-security/InRelease: The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/0x630239cc130e1a7fd81a27b140976eaf437d05b5.gpg are ignored as the file has an unsupported filetype.`
[14:18] <mason> realtime-neil: Name is foo.asc
[14:18] <mason> s/is/it/
[14:18] <realtime-neil> trying now
[14:19] <realtime-neil> mason: that works like gangbusters -- much thanks!
[14:19] <mason> \o/
[14:21] <Darkhunter> Hello, I am trying to install ubuntu 20.4 ... I precreated LVM for /boot and / . I am in step to setup storage and lvs are displayed correctly. The problem is that Use as boot disk is disabled for disks I am using for LVM...
[14:36] <luke-jr> I have two instances of Zoom on two identical NUCs. One NUC works fine, but the other repeatedly resets the volume of one Zoom instance to 10% in pulseaudio… Any ideas?
[14:36] <yeats> Darkhunter: typically, you don't use LVM for /boot - usually, that would be a partition of its own
[14:37] <yeats> Darkhunter: also, Ubuntu will do that automatically if you tell the installer to use LVM
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> luke-jr: are the nucs having both the same firmware updates?
[14:45] <luke-jr> lotuspsychje: yes, but this is just a software issue
[14:45] <luke-jr> lotuspsychje: the hardware/device volumes are fine
[14:46] <luke-jr> it's the application volume that is 10%
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> luke-jr: just trying to widen your options, on nucs firmware updates are pretty important, fixes a lot of things
[14:46] <luke-jr> AFAIK it's not actually possible to update firmware without Windows? :/
[14:47] <luke-jr> also, the audio device is USB anyway
[14:47] <luke-jr> so it's not even part of the NUC itself
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> luke-jr: yes it is, just put the firmware update on usb and hit F7 at the nuc's boot
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> luke-jr: both running same ubuntu version?
[14:48] <Darkhunter> yeats: I would love to have /boot in raid...So I am using lvm raid1
[14:48] <luke-jr> lotuspsychje: yes, both installed from the same PXE image
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> luke-jr: can you pastebin dmesg from the faulty nuc please
[14:49] <nbusrone> how do I check my current brightness level in % ?
[14:50] <Darkhunter> yeats: Also using installer I wasn't able to set mirror for lv
[14:50] <nbusrone> so I can set it ?
[14:50] <nbusrone> xrandr do not have the command to check for brightness level
[14:51] <EriC^^> nbusrone: maybe xbacklight can help
[14:51] <ioria> nbusrone, xrandr --verbose | grep -i brightness | cut -f2 -d ' '
[14:51] <luke-jr> lotuspsychje: what's the best way to filter out privacy-sensitive info?
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> luke-jr: dmesg doesnt really reveal sensitive info, rather then your user or system specs etc
[14:52] <luke-jr> lots of MACs at least
[14:52] <luke-jr> BSSID
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> luke-jr: dont paste the macs then
[14:54] <luke-jr> considering it's not a hardware matter, I'm not sure what there is in dmesg of interest
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> luke-jr: dmesg contains a lot of useful info to debug things, hard for volunteers to help you without any form of info or errors
[14:58] <nbusrone> ioria : how do I set it permanent on xrandr ?
[14:58] <Darkhunter> Is there a chance to use LVM raid during ubuntu 20.4 server install?
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> Darkhunter: try #ubuntu-server if you like
[14:59] <ioria> nbusrone, you run 'xrandr --output <myscreen> --brightness x.x' whenever you want
[15:00] <nbusrone> ioria : nope , once i set , it will reset again on blank screen
[15:00] <ioria> nbusrone, then run it  on resume
[15:01] <nbusrone> ioria : how to run on resume ?
[15:03] <ioria> nbusrone, put a script in /lib/systemd/system-sleep/ iirc
[15:03] <nbusrone> ioria : how to run on resume ? blank screen is base on gsd.power ? in which line code on gsd.power trigger the reset ? I do not know any argument on coding.
[15:03] <ioria> nbusrone, what ?
[15:03] <nbusrone> ioria : https://gitlab.gnome.org/starnight/gnome-settings-daemon/blob/c64c243e345cb92ed0c197a377767bcbf1704c1b/plugins/power/gsd-power-manager.c
[15:04] <ioria> nbusrone, you don't need to edit any source file; you just run a bash script on resume
[15:06] <nbusrone> ioria : ok , i'll try and find any bash script on resume.
[15:21] <alternator> Hello. I am trying the OVAL on a Xenial instance. It found CVE-2016-6185 and I was looking into it.
[15:21] <alternator> It seems like we have
[15:21] <alternator> # dpkg --list | grep perl
[15:21] <alternator> ii  perl-base                5.22.1-9                     amd64        minimal Perl system
[15:21] <alternator> and the condition is "less than" 5.22.1-9ubuntu0.3
[15:22] <alternator> Comparing the version vs condition
[15:22] <alternator> # dpkg --compare-versions 0:5.22.1-9 lt 0:5.22.1-9ubuntu0.3 && echo true
[15:22] <alternator> true
[15:22] <alternator> indicates that 0:5.22.1-9 < 0:5.22.1-9ubuntu0.3
[15:22] <alternator> Is this a correct finding? Is there any documentation on this?
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> !info perl-base xenial
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> alternator: 0.6 is the version you should have on xenial
[15:24] <alternator> Sorry about the flood. Been like 20 years since I was a regular on IRC.
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> alternator: system up to date?
[15:24] <alternator> No. I was actually scanning a publicly available Ubuntu image, just for testing purposes docker run -it ubuntu:xenial-20160525 /bin/bash
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | alternator
[15:26] <alternator> Thanks. I am actually a bit concerned that there might be some problem with the OVAL because the findings were fluctuating from day to day when updating the OVAL feed.
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> alternator: to know more about oval and security try https://ubuntu.com/security/oval and #ubuntu-hardened
[15:37] <alternator> Thanks
[15:39] <CyberNekroRezus> Hi, Any idea what is changing my keyboard input mapping? I use "setxkbmap us", its ok, but then after 5 mins its back to french...
[15:40] <CyberNekroRezus> Got Chromium and Thunar running amongs terminals and stuff, maybe its Thunar?
[15:40] <CyberNekroRezus> Very annoying.
[15:42] <ash_worksi> I just discovered `tput reset`
[15:43] <ash_worksi> yay 🎉
[15:46] <SpeedrunnerG55> my rear audio is only outputting left channel all of a sudden
[15:46] <SpeedrunnerG55> im using ubuntu 20.04
[15:49] <SpeedrunnerG55> using a p8z68-v GEN3 motherboard
[16:22] <ash_worksi> is there a common terminal shortcut key that cuts until a space in a certain direction? (ie, ignore characters like hyphen, underscore, etc)
[16:35] <nbusrone> ioria : May I know , how does gsd.power detect idle time ? by ?
[16:36] <mason> ash_worksi: In a shell? You probably default to emacs mode, so try alt-f
[16:37] <ash_worksi> naturalog: that didn't work
[16:37] <ash_worksi> it's ubuntu ftr
[16:37] <ash_worksi> dunno what mode this is running in... the shell is terminator
[16:38] <ash_worksi> mason: * ^
[16:38] <ash_worksi> oh duh, ubuntu is the channel I'm in ¬.¬
[16:39] <ash_worksi> any other suggestions?
[16:39] <mason> ash_worksi: "set -o" will show you vi mode or emacs mode
[16:39] <ash_worksi> neat
[16:39] <ash_worksi> emacs          on
[16:40] <ash_worksi> alt-f didn't work; neither did altgr-f
[16:41] <ash_worksi> oh alt-f is "jump forward a word"
[16:41] <ash_worksi> and that still gets caught on hyphens
[16:48] <ash_worksi> oh duh
[16:48] <mason> Yeah. It's as close as I could think of.
[16:48] <mason> I figured, for interactive use, any improvement is something.
[16:48] <ash_worksi> so ^w cuts backward a word ignoring characters like -
[16:49] <mason> alt-b, same thing without erasing
[16:49] <ash_worksi> escape-backspace cuts while awknoledging a word
[16:49] <ash_worksi> alt-d cuts forward awknoledging chars
[16:49] <ash_worksi> but I don't have one for cutting forward ignore chars
[16:49] <mason> FWIW, ESC and ALT (meta) should be the same.
[16:49] <ash_worksi> OH?!
[16:50] <ash_worksi> not on my machine apparentl
[16:50] <ash_worksi> apparenlty*
[16:50] <mason> ash_worksi: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Erasing.html
[16:51] <mason> ash_worksi: That should all work in bash. Should.
[16:52] <ash_worksi> yeah, except that for some reason it's escape for me and not altgr
[16:52] <ash_worksi> but nonetheless, all those are good
[16:52] <ash_worksi> but it doesn't list ^w
[16:52] <ash_worksi> (or C-w)
[16:52] <mason> not altgr, alt, often also known as meta
[16:53] <ash_worksi> oh
[16:53] <ash_worksi> you're right
[16:54] <rfm> ^w is handled by the tty driver, not bash (see stty -a) which is why the bash help doesn't list it
[16:55] <ash_worksi> I don't understand the output of stty -a
[16:55] <ash_worksi> oh I see some stuff
[16:56] <mason> ash_worksi: man stty has a key
[16:56] <mason> or... a glossary?
[16:58] <ash_worksi> I guess I don't really understand the man there either, but w/e; I didn't really see a ^w equivalent for forward-delete
[16:59] <ash_worksi> thanks for helping me with this stuff btw
[17:08] <rfm> ash_worksi, stty wouldn't have a forward delete, it thinks it
[17:09] <rfm> s on a actual teletype and is always working at the end of the line
[17:09] <ash_worksi> I see
[17:09] <ash_worksi> thanks rfm
[17:10] <ash_worksi> rfm: you wouldn't happen to know of a shortcut key that does what I want (forward-delete to space {ignoring delimiters like [-_/]})
[17:14] <rfm> ash_worksi, no.  real emacs lets you specify that characters like -_ are considered part of the word, but I can't find such an option in the readline docs...
[17:14] <oerheks> shift-delete skips the word to next space, AFAIK
[17:15] <rfm> ash_worksi, real emacs also has "sexp" motion commands which move farther than words, but readline doesn't seem to.
[17:15] <ash_worksi> rfm: I just figured there might be something that was the forward equivalent to ^w
[17:16] <ash_worksi> oerheks: shift-delete (not backspace) results in 2~ for me
[17:42] <lalitmee> Hey Guys, I can't gnome settings in my Ubuntu 20.04. I don't know what happened here. I recently updated my ubuntu 18.04 to 20.04
[17:43] <lalitmee> when I am searching for the fix on the google it is suggesting that I have to install ubuntu-desktop or gnome-control-center but when I am trying to install these one by one some pkgResolver Error is coming
[17:46] <lalitmee> This is the error E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages
[17:46] <oerheks> try apt install -f ## dpkg --configure -a
[17:46] <oerheks> and run updates again; sudo apt full-upgrade
[17:47] <oerheks> ( i wonder why you upgraded with the -d option, upgrade path is not released)
[17:47] <lalitmee> oerheks: I tried apt-install -f and dpkg --configure -a but nothing is happening
[17:47] <lalitmee> full-upgrade is also not doing anything
[17:48] <lalitmee> oerheks: oh yeah I can see the command in my history that I updated with -d option
[17:48] <lalitmee> oerheks: what can be done now?
[17:49] <oerheks> boot a 20.04.1 live iso, chroot the system and reinstall ubuntu-desktop?
[17:50] <lalitmee> by live iso you mean that I should boot with a bootable pendrive and then do something?
[17:50] <oerheks> yes, see this; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[17:52] <lalitmee> oerheks: actually currently I don't have any pendrive with me. any other way to solve that/
[17:52] <lalitmee> oerheks: actually currently I don't have any pendrive with me. any other way to solve that?
[17:53] <kotek> solve what? I just joined
[17:53] <kotek> MaybeI can help
[17:53] <oerheks> one could try to boot in recovery mode..
[17:55] <kotek> Yeah, ubuntu recovery mode is scary
[17:55] <lalitmee> kotek: I updated my ubuntu 18.04 to 20.04 with -d and now I have lost some of the softwares like gnome settings
[17:55] <kotek> lalitmee, right. Can't you reinstall what you need?
[17:55] <pavlos> lalitmee: maybe you can install synaptic and let it fix broken pkgs
[17:56] <kotek> pavlos, +
[17:56] <oerheks> apt seems broken ..
[17:57] <oerheks> that is why i suggest live iso; get an usb thingy and fix it
[17:57] <lalitmee> pavlos: I have synaptic and I can do that. But just now I was trying to resolve some dependencies using aptitude and it was asking me to remove so many packages somewhat 300 packages and I don't know if that will create a problem for me or not. And I don't know if the synaptic will do the same thing or different
[17:58] <lalitmee> oerheks: I have ordered a Pendrive just now. We will try with that too if nothing works
[17:58] <kotek> Well, I suggest you back everything up next time
[17:58] <kotek> Can't have too many backups
[17:59] <lalitmee> pavlos: This removing of packages has happened to me once and I had to reinstall my Ubuntu. I don't want that. Because that takes a lot of time to setup a new system with all of my configs.
[17:59] <lalitmee> kotek: I was trying to take backup but it was taking a lot of time to back it up.
[18:00] <kotek> Well, yes. Backups take time
[18:00] <lalitmee> kotek: can I use timeshift for backup?
[18:00] <oerheks> if you don't have a backup already, your data is unimportant.
[18:00] <pavlos> lalitmee: can you doa clean reboot?
[18:00] <pavlos> do*
[18:00] <lalitmee> pavlos: clean reboot? how to do that? I know only simple reboot.
[18:01] <pavlos> lalitmee: sorry, that's what I meant
[18:01] <kotek> lalitmee, I never tried timeshift. I just use an rsync-based script
[18:02] <lalitmee> oerheks: Actually you can say that because my office work is on github and my system configs are also there on github as dotfiles but still it takes a lot of time to setup the new system
[18:02] <pavlos> lalitmee: after a reboot try the sudo apt install -f hoping that apt will be ok
[18:03] <lalitmee> kotek: ohh you never tried timeshift. But timeshift is asking me to choose the snapshot type and it has two options RSYNC and BTRFS?
[18:06] <oerheks> pavlos, +1 .. if that does not work, please post the output on paste.ubuntu.com , thanks
[18:07] <kotek> lalitmee, I used to take dd images of my drives. Negatives: size, slowness. Positives: 100% backup that can be imaged to a drive. Now I just backup my home and a list of installed packages.
[18:09] <pavlos> lalitmee: dpkg -l | grep ^iU ... does it list any packages?
[18:14] <pavlos> lalitmee: apt-mark showhold ... does it show any help pkgs? ... try to unhold, sudo apt-mark unhold pkgname
[18:14] <pavlos> held*
[18:17] <__infinity> hello
[18:20] <__infinity> I would like to do the upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04, but I'm getting "An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade. * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu"
[18:21] <__infinity> after checking the logs, there is a fuck ton of broken packages https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Cd2y349pMn/ How should I proceed? Am I really supposed to remove them all?
[18:22] <sarnold> __infinity: I don't think 'broken' means 'broken' here, so much as 'because there is a Breaks: dependency in place, this package is now considered to be broken'
[18:25] <__infinity> ohh thanks, that looks a little bit better now https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/njxnDDM4FJ/
[18:26] <oft_gegong> !ubuntu
[18:54] <__infinity> still not sure what to do, looks like ubuntu 20.04 doesn't support python2
[18:57] <sarnold> __infinity: python2 is in universe in 20.04, but it's still there
[18:58] <__infinity> 2020-08-19 20:46:03,439 DEBUG Removing 'python-minimal' (python-is-python2 is being installed on the system)
[18:58] <__infinity> 2020-08-19 20:46:03,439 INFO failed to remove python-minimal
[18:59] <__infinity> ^ upgrade breaks because of this
[19:02] <oerheks> python2 .. such old version
[19:16] <MazinKaesar> guys I think I found a regression, snd_hda_intel hangs my system on any 20.04.x and any daily build of 20.10, I have a Dell Precision M4800
[19:16] <MazinKaesar> anyone is having this issue?
[19:30] <__infinity> wohoo it's working now, I'm upgrading to 20.04 :)
[19:31] <__infinity> it was really stupid, the problem was caused because I had installed sqlmap and hashcat
[19:31] <sarnold> __infinity: excellent :)
[19:32] <sarnold> MazinKaesar: it doesn't sound familiar to me; have you filed a bug report yet?
[19:54] <Aavar> This is definitely the wrong place to ask,but maybe you can point me in the right direction... I have an idea for a system where a raspberry pi (or another computer) can control a server over rs232. I know the other way is easy. that way I could remote control my homeserver even when the network is down or ubuntu wont boot. Does anyone have an idea
[19:54] <Aavar> how to achieve this?
[19:58] <sarnold> Aavar: on the server side https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt#L627
[19:59] <sarnold> Aavar: on the client side, you can use screen or minicom or similar things to use the serial port
[20:02] <Aavar> sarnold: I also found this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto Is this regarding the same thing (I know It's old, but I think I should be able to adapt it to a more modernsystem)?
[20:03] <sarnold> Aavar: ubuntu hasn't used upstart in ages, so that'll need changing :)
[20:03] <Aavar> sarnold: I know, but it is regarding the same thing, right?
[20:03] <sarnold> yes
[20:05] <Aavar> sarnold: Thank you :) One last question. Do you know if this requires a built in serial port, or will an add on card or usb work?
[20:06] <Aavar> thank you again. Have to run :)
[20:06] <immy102> hi
[20:06] <sarnold> Aavar: when the system is running okay, probably both would be fine; when the system is unhappy -- eg a panic or oops or similar -- the usb version may not be as successful. :/ it's been too long since I've done serial to be confident
[20:06] <sarnold> see ya Aavar
[20:07] <immy102> i just overwrote my apt sources.list - i did sudo tee - a instead of sudo tee -a
[20:07] <immy102> it only has one line in there now
[20:11] <immy102> i see a sources.list.save file, but it seems fairly spartan
[20:13] <sarnold> immy102: you can get a pretty good start on a replacement using https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[20:14] <immy102> thanks
[20:19] <younder> Gotta love that nvidia xavier nx
[20:20] <younder> runs ubuntu and is as fast ast a laptopt
[20:20] <younder> yet the sixe of a credit card
[20:21] <younder> Aimed mostly at the AI market robotic vision.
[20:23] <dogmatic69> Hi all, got an issue with my sound (or lack there of). In pavucontrol I've tried every sound device with no luck. Though I can see the little bar moving when there should be sound.
[20:23] <dogmatic69> It was previously working fine, but I've added a second (identical) gfx card.
[20:26] <younder> I have had one for 3 months now and tried one to recognize vegetables from supermarkets. I use it to in self serve checkout counters in supermarkets to recognize the fruit that is weighed. Connects to the existing system and just 'types' in the fruit.  10000 orders. Thanks ubuntu and nvidea :)
[20:30] <younder> dogmatic69, I found a flow chart a while back that has worked well. Not like audio has been updated since 2006 anyway
[20:31] <younder> https://www.fonerbooks.com/sound.htm
[20:34] <MazinKaesar> still having  snd_hda_intel hang issue even on 18.04.5, no one has the same issue?
[20:35] <younder> sorry wrong link. this is the one http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/sound/sound_troubleshooting.htm
[20:36] <dogmatic69> Was just checking I did not post in #windows :D
[20:36] <dogmatic69> thanks
[20:44] <paul98> can you resize the root partition using a ubuntu live usb?
[20:45] <paul98> or would i need something like gparted
[20:47] <younder> paul98, no, partion sixes are pratically writettn instone. Yo can expand a parion which has unallocated sectors behind it in which case use gparted.
[20:47] <younder> s/sixes/sizes/
[20:47] <paul98>  so I can't strink the partition?
[20:48] <dogmatic69> technically you can but there is no telling what it will cut off
[20:48] <paul98> I get that
[20:48] <younder> Sure if pars of it are unallocated, but at the end. You can't move blocks. Which is a real handicap.
[20:48] <paul98> i'm only using 100gb of 500gb
[20:48] <paul98> i'll take the risk
[20:49] <dogmatic69> younder, been through it and no dice. :/
[20:49] <paul98> so would you go gparted or live ubuntu ?
[20:50] <dogmatic69> probably live as you want to unmount the disk
[20:51] <younder> are you using knopfix to boot?
[20:52] <paul98> using what ever the defautl for ubuntu is
[20:52] <younder> https://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
[20:53] <summonner> brand new install of ubuntu 20.4.1 LTS, and apt is now broken. AttributeError: module 'apt_pkg' has no attribute 'TagFile' - there's not much information out there on fixing this
[20:54] <younder> Seems like you best bet if you are trying to fuck with the existing partions of a disk. If you are logged in as root you can resize home, since rot is under / but little else. W
[20:55] <paul98> basically I need to make 100gb partition to install windows (don't hate me)
[20:56] <younder> paul98, Oddly we are fine with Windows these days and Microsoft is fine with Ubuntu.
[20:57] <paul98> you never know in this day in age!
[20:58] <paul98> and to be honest if it kills linux, i'll just rebuild it at later stage
[21:01] <younder> paul98, Common wisdom is to install windows first and the ubuntu. Though it is possible to do it the other way around it is much harder.
[21:02] <paul98> to be honest, I never thought I would need windows, i've had ubuntu on this laptop for 11 months now, but there is some software I need to use that I can't get working on linux so just going to roll back to windows
[21:03] <younder> paul98, been there I run autocad and fusion360 on a windows machine.
[21:04] <paul98> yup I need some data logging software for circuit racing normally someone else looks at it but they are not going to be there so need windows for the software :( pain in the arse if you ask me
[21:04] <younder> CAD in general is difficult on Unix. There is VariCad for mechanical engeneeiring. But the other options are just 'drawing programs'
[21:05] <paul98> yer I get you, shame wish they gave me a mac, problem solved lol
[21:05] <summonner> Hasn't AutoCAD migrated some of their software into WASM, so you can run it in a browser now?
[21:06] <younder> summonner,  yes
[21:06] <younder> summonner,  never tried it, but worth a try
[21:07] <summonner> I expect you'd need to download the new binaries to have them locally or something. Wouldn't want to have to download 300MB or so before the web interface kicks in
[21:08] <younder> summonner,  I expect the web browser is just a client that the software runs in the 'cloud'
[21:11] <compufreak> is it possible to add a supplemental route with netplan while preserving the default gateway from dhcp? Here's what I have https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SHTmXnCz9j/
[21:19] <younder> compufreak, perhaps, a supplemental route to what? For one thing you need another prort.
[21:19] <younder> port
[21:20] <compufreak> I want to add a link local 169.254/16 route so the only ethernet interface which is on a rfc 1918 (172.16/22) network
[21:21] <compufreak> i.e. `ip route add 169.254.169.0/24 dev enp0s2` while preserving the default route/gateway from dhcp
[21:21] <younder> 192.168 is private
[21:22] <younder> of 10.x,x,x
[21:23] <younder> Your IPV4 addresses clash with existing weg  addresses
[21:23] <compufreak> ?
[21:23] <younder> web
[21:24] <compufreak> no, those are link-local addresses https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3927#section-2.1
[21:24] <younder> I feel we need to get back to basics.
[21:24] <pavlos> younder: this is a link local address (169.254.0.0/16
[21:25] <compufreak> I have a cloudinit metadata service on 169.254.169.254 which works fine, but the host needs a route telling it that address it on-link so it doesn't try to send the packets through the default gateway
[21:25] <younder> OK I am a bit at loss.. Confused and probaly wrong
[21:26] <compufreak> link local addresses are similar to rfc 1918 but they're not supposed to be routed
[21:26] <compufreak> i.e. they only work on the same local link (layer 2 network)
[21:26] <younder> ah
[21:27] <compufreak> so a hypervisor has a bridge with a 169.254.169.254 interface and the VM talks to that to set itself up with cloudinit
[21:28] <younder> I can't say I understand, but I am slightly less confused
[21:28] <compufreak> i was trying to keep my netplan network agnostic where it'd work with dhcp without hardcoding the gw but im suspecting maybe that's not possible
[21:28] <younder> huperviser ok now I get it
[21:28] <compufreak> with the on-link route, when the vm connects to 169.254.169.254 it sends out an arp and the service on the same l2 responds
[21:29] <compufreak> without the on-link route, it sends the packet to the MAC of the default gw which doesn't work
[21:29] <compufreak> cloudinit automagically checks 169.254.169.254 address without additional config so i was trying to stick with that
[21:30] <compufreak> s/packet/frame
[21:31] <compufreak> but basically i was hoping to add a route with netplan but it seems like that overrides the default route
[21:31] <compufreak> so if i add another route for the default route in netplan, that ties the image to the specific subnet since the gw ip is hard coded
[21:34] <younder> hva e you seen how vitualbox or docker does it?
[21:35] <younder> have  you seen how victual box  or docker does it?
[21:35] <pavlos> compufreak: look at the netplan example (if it helps) ... https://askubuntu.com/questions/993971/how-can-i-add-a-route-that-is-on-the-link-directly-connected-to-the-interface
[21:36] <compufreak> yeah, I saw that but I would need to specify gateway4 afaik
[21:36] <compufreak> it doesn't work omitting that
[21:37] <younder> dont forget the firewall.
[21:38] <younder> or it will never see the light of day (the web)
[21:38] <younder> In linux it is called IP Masquraing
[21:39] <younder> maasqurading
[21:54] <kxsl> how do i get auto guest resize to work in virtualbox on 20.04? I have the guest additions installed from 20.04 repo, but the option on the menu is grayed out
[22:01] <sarnold> kxsl: wild guess, you may need to reboot the guest to get it to use a different video driver
[22:02] <kxsl> ive rebooted dozens of times trying to get this work, experimenting with settings, trying random things
[22:03] <sarnold> heh :(
[22:04] <oerheks> kxsl, maybe increase videomemory in vbox settings??
[22:05] <oerheks> else i would blame dkms/laque of dkms
[22:06] <kxsl> i believe i already tried increasing the ram, but i try again. 16mb was fine on 18.04. what might the problem with dkms be? virtualbox-guest-dkms is installed and claims to build and install the vboxvideo module
[22:07] <oerheks> no, 64 or more mb .. 128 mb shoudl not be an issue, even with 1 gb gpu memory
[22:09] <kxsl> increasing ram doesn't help
[22:18] <Lvl4Sword> When installing nmap, zenmap is recommended to install. Though, when attempting to install it you'll get the error: "Package 'zenmap' has no installation candidate".
[22:21] <sarnold> Lvl4Sword: looks like it' sthat way in debian, too, you could report it via https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
[22:21] <oerheks> interesting, what linux version lchlan ??
[22:21] <oerheks> yeah, zmap is recommended
[22:21] <oerheks> so,....
[22:21] <Lvl4Sword> sarnold, Also getting "However the following packages replace it:  ndiff" - Though ndiff is completely different to nmap/zenmap :-)
[22:22] <oerheks> show us the output ?
[22:22] <Lvl4Sword> oerheks, How so? Screenshot or some such?
[22:22] <oerheks> AFAIK you are not running ubuntu.
[22:22] <Lvl4Sword> I'm running Ubuntu Mate 20.04
[22:23] <oerheks> !paste
[22:23] <Lvl4Sword> oerheks, I'm not sure what a screenshot would provide that I haven't already given
[22:24] <oerheks> wait, why are dependencies changed? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/nmap -- https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+source/nmap
[22:25] <oerheks> :-(
[22:25] <Lvl4Sword> :| Not good news
[22:26] <oerheks> did you enable universe?
[22:26] <Lvl4Sword> Sure didn't
[22:26] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/amd64/zenmap
[22:26] <oerheks> sudo apt-add-repository universe
[22:26] <Lvl4Sword> This is on an install I've had for less than a week
[22:27] <oerheks> sorry, things changed ..
[22:27] <Lvl4Sword> Huh. Weird that universe would need to be installed for zenmap
[22:28] <sarnold> note that that launchpad page says zenmap was removed from the distribution before focal was released
[22:28] <Lvl4Sword> oerheks, Huh, guess universe is enabled by default? - 'universe' distribution component is already enabled for all sources
[22:29] <oerheks> this gets weirder ..
[22:29] <oerheks> file a bugreport
[22:29] <Lvl4Sword> sarnold, Yeah I see that too. Very weird
[22:29] <Lvl4Sword> Well, I'm not in a position right now to report. Was actually just about to go AFK.
[22:31] <mason> Debian Buster ships nmap.
[22:32] <sarnold> Lvl4Sword: start here https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
[22:53] <bayman> I installed unattended-upgrades. how do I check when upgrades are scheduled?
[22:55] <oerheks> bayman, /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades would show a number in days
[22:56] <bayman> thanks
[23:37] <pavlos> Lvl4Sword: https://github.com/nmap/nmap/issues/2022
[23:39] <Lvl4Sword> pavlos, Thank you for that! Very appreciated
[23:40] <oerheks> oops
[23:40] <oerheks> pavlos, plausible; Zenmap optionally depends on pygtk which depends on libglade which is a python2-gtk2 component not python3-gtk3.
[23:41] <pavlos> oerheks: agree ... workaround, not a def solution