 @OVSCADMIN [Is there a flashable .zip of Ubuntu touch I can sideliad into TWRP?], No. Ubuntu Touch is not an Android ROM
[00:31] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Does anyone know anything about T-Mobile starting to offer Ubuntu phones?
[01:00] <ubptgbot> <Jackie Chambers> (Photo, 394x582) https://irc.ubports.com/dypXkmXN.png
 ^^spammer @dohbee
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/UtIt50rf.mp4
 @Paul JL [Does anyone know anything about T-Mobile starting to offer Ubuntu phones?], They aren't
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[02:06] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> @dohbee [They aren't], I saw this and was curious. … https://www.zdnet.com/article/t-mobile-backs-ubuntu-smartphone/
 @Paul JL [I saw this and was curious. … https://www.zdnet.com/article/t-mobile-backs-ubuntu- …], 2013 and no longer relevant.
[03:28] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Too bad.
 @Paul JL [Too bad.], The T-mobile network is compatible with phones running Ubuntu Touch though - that's my carrier and I've used OnePlus One (getting 4G) and Meizu Pro 5 (only gets HSPA/3G) as daily drivers running UT.  The upcoming Volla Phone, that can be pre-ordered with UT on it, should also be compatible for 4G on T-mobile.
[04:50] <Maik> "The upcoming Volla Phone, that can be pre-ordered with UT on it," Can or could? because i can't find it anywhere that it can be pre-ordered with UT on it.
[04:55] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Thanks! I'm becoming increasingly dissatisfied with my Samsung A20.
[05:19] <Maik> @TotalSonic "The upcoming Volla Phone, that can be pre-ordered with UT on it," Can or could? because i can't find it anywhere that it can be pre-ordered with UT on it.
 @Maik [@TotalSonic "The upcoming Volla Phone, that can be pre-ordered with UT on it," C …], Orders are still being taken - when you add it to your cart, they ask for color (white or black) and OS you wish (Ubuntu Touch or Volla OS) - https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/volla-phone-free-your-mind-protect-your-privacy#/
 @Maik [@TotalSonic "The upcoming Volla Phone, that can be pre-ordered with UT on it," C …], [Edit] Orders are still being taken - when you add it to your cart, they ask for color (white or black) and OS you wish pre-installed (Ubuntu Touch or Volla OS) - https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/volla-phone-free-your-mind-protect-your-privacy
[05:22] <ubptgbot> #/
 I ordered mine in black with UT.
[05:36] <Maik> @TotalSonic ah, cool. Thanks.
 @TotalSonic [I ordered mine in black with UT.], How much did it cost u
 @Siddana [How much did it cost u], The prices are all on the page I linked above - depends on whether you are in EU or outside of it for cost for phone and shipping.
 @TotalSonic [Orders are still being taken - when you add it to your cart, they ask for color …], U kiddin with me
 It's Helio p23???
 I see these chipsets for like entry level smart phones
 Now even entry level smart phones have waaay more better specs
 Sorry if I offended some one
 Yea I know it's privacy os based stuff
 @Siddana [U kiddin with me], It's indeed a rebranded Gigaset 290 (which is assembled in Germany, so comes with a slightly higher price tag just for that) - with a slightly bigger 5000mah battery and a little nicer styling - but what you are really paying for is a company that is also developing and supporting both an advanced UT port a
[06:01] <ubptgbot> nd a de-Googled Android variant - as well as upcoming Sailfish and other open OS support, as well as development of a multi-OS boot loader.  Whether that is worth an extra $100 or so from what you can get for similar specs on a standard Android phone is up to you.  For me it is.
 @TotalSonic [It's indeed a rebranded Gigaset 290 (which is assembled in Germany, so comes wit …], Yea thats what for the os point of view you can pay that price
 @Siddana [Yea thats what for the os point of view you can pay that price], Well - in comparison to the other current "open OS" phones on the market - Pinephone is about half the price of Volla Phone, but has even worse specs.  And the Purism Librem 5 is about double the price of the Volla, but is really clunky hardware that still has n
[06:04] <ubptgbot> ot shipped after 3 years in development.
 Do u think the Ubuntu gsi thing is gonna affect these Linux phones
 I mean though we have to port valium our selves
 *halium
 I think development for the Volla phone has greatly helped with recent new UT ports
 I think there will be more and more Android phones supported.  The thing is some of them will likely have some part of the hardware not as well supported.  But likely in a year there will be some decent options that will have UBports Installer support for easy flashing, that will have all the device's hardware functioning properly.   P
[06:09] <ubptgbot> rojects like Volla are actually pushing forward the development of that - it's one of the first Halium 9 devices to be made working - and it looks like every function, with the exception of NFC (which still is not supported in UT itself), should be working when it ships in November
 @Siddana [U kiddin with me], [Edit] It's indeed a rebranded Gigaset GS290 (which is assembled in Germany, so comes with a slightly higher price tag just for that) - with a slightly bigger 5000mah battery and a little nicer styling - but what you are really paying for is a company that is also developing and supporting both an advanced
[06:12] <ubptgbot> UT port and a de-Googled Android variant - as well as upcoming Sailfish and other open OS support, as well as development of a multi-OS boot loader.  Whether that is worth an extra $100 or so from what you can get for similar specs on a standard Android phone is up to you.  For me it is.
 @TotalSonic [I think there will be more and more Android phones supported.  The thing is some …], Ok so even if you ignore the hardware,the software development for the Linux community is still going great right
 @Siddana [Ok so even if you ignore the hardware,the software development for the Linux com …], With a standard Android phone, you pay the price difference to the Voll phone in private data. See it this way. 😉
 @Siddana [Ok so even if you ignore the hardware,the software development for the Linux com …], Well right now - the UT team really could use someone that could get Anbox support from its current alpha stage, as well as more developers willing to tackle all kinds of feature requests - but in terms of getting the basics right - have to s
[06:20] <ubptgbot> ay OTA-13 is going to be a really nice release for polishing things.  And there's been some big breakthroughs in porting via Halium, as well as arm64 support - so I think 2021 is going to be a really good year for UT.
 Yeah
 Even I wanna use Ubuntu touch on my device
 But I'll have to port halium
 Can anyone help me
 I'm kinda noob
 I have Moto e5 plus
 @Siddana [But I'll have to port halium], Well first I would recommend reading the documentation and then  joining the porting group
 Ubport for samsung s9+?
 @..... [Ubport for samsung s9+?], Is it in this list? https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 @Flohack [Is it in this list? https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/], Nope, mind port for samsung s9+?
 @..... [Nope, mind port for samsung s9+?], If you buy me a dervice ;)
 You cannot port without having the hardware
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/on22VTXa.webp
 @..... [<reply to media>], I mean nobody including me can port a device if he doesnt own it
 @Flohack [You cannot port without having the hardware], So if I get you the hardware - will you port it?
 @Wioxjk [So if I get you the hardware - will you port it?], First you need to ask yourself, is this a good candidate for porting: … - Does it have official LineageOS 7.1 or 9? … - Is it easily unlockable (Samsung should not be locked at all)? … - Does it have a notch or rounded corners, Ubuntu Touch will look odd on those devices ATM … -
[07:11] <ubptgbot> No support for NFC atm, Fingerprint sensor will come probably soon, but no guarantee … - You have to expect months of work until you get a usable device. … - There is no guarantee that it will work
 I have already too many ports in my queue but in principle, yes, if you find a porter that has time, it might work that way
 @Flohack [I have already too many ports in my queue but in principle, yes, if you find a p …], Understand!
 It is a Moto X Style (2015)
 I doubt it will be any interest in the future, since the device is starting to get old
 @Wioxjk [I doubt it will be any interest in the future, since the device is starting to g …], We should not wate too much time with old devices, people generally want new hardware, it creates a lot of trash but it is like it is ;)
 @Wioxjk [I doubt it will be any interest in the future, since the device is starting to g …], [Edit] We should not waste too much time with old devices, people generally want new hardware, it creates a lot of trash but it is like it is ;)
 @Flohack [We should not waste too much time with old devices, people generally want new ha …], Atleast it Ubuntu Touch works nicely with my Fairphone 2 :) I hope that it will be released to the FP3 soon!
 @ItsMeShouko [@Flohack can we have an option in store to hide web apps?], +1
 @Javacookies [I wish the ubports installer can extract and restore userdata  across devices... …], I did it with rsync from op3t to pinephone. Only some quirks with software releases db - delete solved it.
 @gischpelino [I did it with rsync from op3t to pinephone. Only some quirks with software relea …], it would be great if it can be done on the whole userdata partition. I've done it with my pinephone and it was like I did nothing 😄
 I would like to move userdata to sdcard and enlarge system on emmc, but don't know what will happen to OTA updates.
 I would think it will still work if you did it right. This is on the pinephone right?
 I tried enlarging the rootfs on my pinephone and it worked even after OTAs. Of course your changes in the root maybe be overwritten but the size still remains the same. This unlike on other loopback devices such as Nexus 5
 Hey! Is there any solution to `makedev` problem on libertine?
 @Javacookies [I tried enlarging the rootfs on my pinephone and it worked even after OTAs. Of c …], thx will try it and yes on pp.
 on my OnePlus3, I just noticed the Flash being on while doing nothing. I do not have a dedicated fashlight app installed and there is no system-settings or quick-access option to switch it on. What could have caused this? I am on the most recent edge image.
 Just giving out warning: this could burn out your flash or at the least run your battery out in minutes.
 So be advised everyone
 @matv1 [on my OnePlus3, I just noticed the Flash being on while doing nothing. I do not …], Did you enable it with your ear during a call?
[12:36] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @matv1 [on my OnePlus3, I just noticed the Flash being on while doing nothing. I do not …], You didnt enable it throigh the dropdown battery indicator?
 @Siddana [It's Helio p23???], hahahha a mediatek?
 @Flohack [First you need to ask yourself, is this a good candidate for porting: … - Does it …], fingerprint sensor works on Erfan's GSI image
 @joeth [fingerprint sensor works on Erfan's GSI image], Yes but we need a solution to have it also on Halium 7.1 for older devices ;)
 @Boris Mihailov [You didnt enable it throigh the dropdown battery indicator?], I doubt that very much. I wasnt really using the phone all day. But maybe. Its theoretically possible. But I didnt make any calls today so not by holding it to my ear at least, as @Flohack  suggested.
 weird.
 it would take a really improbable combination of swipes/touches to do that by accident
 Can you run Whatsaap on that?
 @Bhojpuria_bhaia [Can you run Whatsaap on that?], you can use whatsapp web, but there's no official native WhatsApp client available for UT
 Oo  … N what about telegram?
 there is teleports app in openstore. but it doesn't have 100% feature parity to official app on android
 https://open-store.io to browse available apps (many are webapps, which are just a confined browser instance with the service's web site opened)
 (there is also telegram webapp, which is official web site that has more features, but no notifications)
 N just one more question … Will it run on  … Moto g6 play
 @dohbee [(there is also telegram webapp, which is official web site that has more feature …], Well n good then
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 i think that device is not supported
 It is but with a low compatibility
 I might have to look for something else … Can you suggest
 nexus 5, onepluse one, xperia x
 @Bhojpuria_bhaia [N just one more question … Will it run on  … Moto g6 play], You will have to port halium
 And then flash the Ubuntu gsi
 @Siddana [And then flash the Ubuntu gsi], that only works for android 9 devices (don't know if the device in question has android 9)
 @dohbee [that only works for android 9 devices (don't know if the device in question has …], How about flashing a custom ROM first
 @Siddana [How about flashing a custom ROM first], is there a lineageos 16.0 build for it?
 I guess so
 Why only lineage
 Basically it needs kernel source which boots perfectly right??
 @Siddana [Why only lineage], halium uses some lineage components and the lineage build system as far as I know
 @joeth [halium uses some lineage components and the lineage build system as far as I kno …], Oh
 @Siddana [Basically it needs kernel source which boots perfectly right??], if on 9 and you have Treble device, mostly yes
 Even I'm gonna port halium for my Moto e 5 plus
 Btw I have Lineage os for my device
 @dohbee [that only works for android 9 devices (don't know if the device in question has …], It has android 9
 @Danfro [Seems not to work here during a call. Neither to reduce nor to raise volumen.], Interesting Xperia phone - halium 7.1 ?
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 hmm, why is it that i have to restart ssh on my xperia x every time I reboot so that it'll work … I don't remember having this behavior on my other UT devices (excluding pinephone).
 @Ern_st [Interesting Xperia phone - halium 7.1 ?], I am not 100% sure,but yes I think it is 7.1
 @Javacookies [hmm, why is it that i have to restart ssh on my xperia x every time I reboot so …], We also have to reboot for dev mode to be enabled. Who knows...
 @Danfro [We also have to reboot for dev mode to be enabled. Who knows...], really? haven't noticed that yet
 @Flohack [We should not waste too much time with old devices, people generally want new ha …], For old I usually say postmarketos as with mainline you get critical security fixes
 @amyosx [For old I usually say postmarketos as with mainline you get critical security fi …], except that most devices are not actually usable with that
 Yet yesh
 [Edit] Yet yeah
[17:25] <ubptgbot> <Nikhil Anand> I don't think this place is for a noob😄
 @Danfro [I am not 100% sure,but yes I think it is 7.1], Interesting the OP3 has the same bug under halium 7.1. ( but not under H9)
 @Javacookies [hmm, why is it that i have to restart ssh on my xperia x every time I reboot so …], Yep similar on OP3 too, evnen if already start, you need to restart it to acknowledge connections.
 probably a halium/gsi thing
 @amyosx [For old I usually say postmarketos as with mainline you get critical security fi …], That always depends. Android and Ubuntu Touch are not desktop OSes and as such the attack vectors are often not existing. Mobile OS hardening is much further, also due to the strict App sandboxing. I dont say its not possible but its very unlikel
[18:12] <ubptgbot> y that you get troubles with Ubuntu Touch because on an older kernel. … What all mainline experiments miss is working radio, good camera support and various smaller things like hardware acceleration, good powersaving, thermal engine protection, all things that could happen in the Android userspace, which you will loose with a mainlined kernel. You
[18:12] <ubptgbot> get a WiFi tablet, but not a mobile phone.
 @Flohack [That always depends. Android and Ubuntu Touch are not desktop OSes and as such t …], True, but a phone that old usually won't have a sim, I think I'm the only one who keeps their sim in the oldest phone they own lol
 (My e4.5)
 @amyosx [True, but a phone that old usually won't have a sim, I think I'm the only one wh …], We do want to be on new phones with Ubuntu Touch, and our goal is to have a first-class citizen on modern Android and Non-Android hardware. We cannot widen our userbase with old devices, no ordinary customer will be thrilled by that
 @Flohack [We do want to be on new phones with Ubuntu Touch, and our goal is to have a firs …], Yes i get that and thats why there isnt halium4. I feel like if anyone is messing around with old devices they should be willing to fix bugs themselves for another os
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[19:26] <ubptgbot> <Alexander Tsoutsanis> Hi all, after updating MX4 arale (ubuntu edition) to OTA 10 back in fall 19, I am no longer able to access <settings> via the GUI at all. It simple reverts back to 'homescreen'. As  I want to update to OTA 12 (in the hope this glitch is fixed), I obviously need to enable dev mode. Problem: as I can't enable dev mode via GUI,
[19:26] <ubptgbot> I need to enable dev mode via Terminal.  Question: how do I enable dev mode via Terminal ? Thanks Alex
 Hey! Can anybody confirm that notifications in Pesbuk are working or not?
 @Javacookies [hmm, why is it that i have to restart ssh on my xperia x every time I reboot so …], I believe that is a known bug
[19:47] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Can somebody help me out to setup an env to build parts of the ubuntu system? I'm interested in the onscreen keyboard to be precise.
[19:49] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Most of the repos seem to not be working from the docs (I'm using 20.04)
 you can't build directly on 20.04
 you want to build on your PC to test changes on your device?
[19:55] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Yes. Basically connect the device and push the changes to it or something
[19:55] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> I have a Xperia X with UBports on it
 If you want to build UT sources straight from the UBports Git repos I'd suggest setting up a chroot using the preferred rootfs (devel or edge).
 you can maybe use crossbuilder https://github.com/ubports/crossbuilder to build it for 16.04 arm64 and test it
 Yeah crossbuilder might work too, though from my experience its success rate is quite low for more "complex" packages.
[20:01] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Would crossbuilder help me for the onscreen keyboard? I would actually like to test it
 You would have to try first, or someone who has worked on the OSK before tells you how best to build it.
 Just an FYI: crossbuilder requires LXD
 where's @Fuseteam and @Javacookies ^^
[20:22] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Well at least I think I've setup the LXD and the crossbuilder, now to figure out how it works
 @Javacookies [probably a halium/gsi thing], Halium 7.1 is not GSI, it's a complete port.
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[20:51] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Just to confirm, gpu acceleration doesnt work correctly on the Xperia X, right?
[20:52] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Or is it just video decoding?
[21:13] <ubptgbot> <Arnette Mcknight> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Uq2LbUhH.gif
 gpu accel works. so probably it's decoding
 Are there any games out there for ubt
 look in the store
 but yes
 @dohbee [look in the store], Good advice i forgot to look at thx
[22:56] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Random question, is it possible to import passwords from chrome and all into morph?
 @Boris Mihailov [Random question, is it possible to import passwords from chrome and all into mor …], Maybe through Chromium but I could be wrong...
 @Boris Mihailov [Or is it just video decoding?], Which architecture/channel did you choose at install time, arm64/edge or fredldotme/devel?
 Video decoding should work fine.
[23:23] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Devel
[23:23] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @fredldotme [Which architecture/channel did you choose at install time, arm64/edge or fredldo …], Works with low resolutions on youtube, but has problems when getting to higher res
 Oh, you mean in the browser. Yeah, that's currently an issue, downloaded videos use GPU decoding though.
 Or at least the gstreamer-hybris backend, QtWebEngine/Chromium use ffmpeg with CPU decoding.
 [Edit] Or at least the gstreamer-hybris backend, QtWebEngine/Chromium uses ffmpeg with CPU decoding.
[23:25] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> I see
[23:59] <KNERD> Q: I see Nexus 5 is on the list of supported devices., but it is only 5.2 inches, meanwhile I see Nexus 5X  whcih is a little larger, and super cheap on eBay. Are those basically the same?