[02:35] <callmepk> good morning
[06:03] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:09] <jibel> Good morning all
[06:10] <oSoMoN> salut jibel 
[06:12] <didrocks> good morning
[06:17] <duflu> Good afternoon/morning callmepk, oSoMoN, jibel, didrocks 
[06:18] <callmepk> good morning/afternoon duflu oSoMoN jibel didrocks 
[06:19] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, callmepk 
[06:21] <jibel> bonjour duflu callmepk 
[06:45] <didrocks> hey duflu , callmepk, oSoMoN, jibel 
[06:46] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks 
[06:50] <pieq> Hello everyone!
[06:50] <pieq> (yes, I cheat)
[06:51] <callmepk> lol hello pieq 
[06:54] <didrocks> hey pieq 
[06:54] <oSoMoN> hey pieq 
[07:03] <duflu> Hi pieq 
[07:04] <duflu> Although by cheating you may expect billions of replies
[07:04] <duflu> Or the subset in this channel
[07:04] <pieq> it's a good way to check who's actually reading this channel :P
[07:06] <marcustomlinson> morning callmepk oSoMoN jibel didrocks duflu pieq
[07:07] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson 
[07:08] <oSoMoN> good morning marcustomlinson 
[07:10] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:10] <marcustomlinson> morning seb128
[07:11] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson , how are you?
[07:11] <marcustomlinson> seb128: doing alright thanks, you?
[07:11] <seb128> I'm alright!
[07:14] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson, salut seb128 
[07:15] <callmepk> good morning marcustomlinson seb128 
[07:15] <seb128> lut didrocks, en forme ? bon w.e ? ca va comme vous voulez les travaux ?
[07:15] <seb128> hey callmepk 
[07:16] <didrocks> seb128: difficile, mais on avance petit à petit, merci :) et toi, week-end relax ?
[07:18] <seb128> didrocks, ça va oui, aussi relax que ça peut être avec les gosses ... :-)
[07:18]  * seb128 doesn't have a phone anymore, #repairfail
[07:20] <seb128> (went to change the usb-c port which was moving/problematic for a while, but they said it was not the port, after putting the new one it was still not connecting, but not at all rather than randomly, result I can't charge anymore and it's flat now :/)
[07:21] <didrocks> went there as well, tried to repair 2 phones, 2 failures…
[07:21] <duflu> Morning seb128. Wireless charging next time?
[07:22] <oSoMoN> salut seb128 
[07:22] <seb128> oSoMoN, lut! wb! had nice holidays?
[07:22] <duflu> (as in check that the next phone supports Qi)
[07:22] <oSoMoN> seb128, yes, very nice and relaxing, thanks!
[07:23] <seb128> duflu, I guess, though I was reading an article about how it uses quite some more power to charge, waste of energy :-/
[07:23] <duflu> seb128, well, yeah, add it to the list of other luxuries that are a waste of energy
[07:24] <marcustomlinson> welcome back oSoMoN
[07:25] <duflu> Oh, seb128 was your broken phone a Nokia?
[07:26] <duflu> I recall my father went through two of those with faulty USB-C recently
[07:27] <seb128> duflu, no, samsung
[07:28] <didrocks> the 2 samsung tablets I had got exactly the same issue
[07:28] <seb128> now to decide on a new one
[07:28] <didrocks> consequence: I don’t have any tablet anymore :p
[07:28] <seb128> usb-c seems fragile, I don't think it's vendor specific
[07:28] <didrocks> (but it was not usb-c, still already fragile)
[07:28] <duflu> seb128, good timing at least. Pixel 4a is almost in stock, if Android is what you want
[07:29] <seb128> though I've been annoyed with that phone from almost the beginning by the fact that it was often telling me there was humidity in the port (which was buggy) and that blocked the charge :-/
[07:30] <seb128> duflu, right, it's a bit on the expensive side for me, I don't like to spent too much on phones :-)
[07:30] <duflu> I guess you should also factor in how frequently they get replaced, and the length of software updates. I think iPhones are around 6 years now
[07:32] <duflu> Or if you're like my cousin then estimate there's only ever 12 months before it gets dropped in the ocean or otherwise destroyed
[07:40] <RAOF> "seb128" (https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_seb128:matrix.org): Hey, we in the SRU team were wondering about the scope of the GNOME MRE. Particularly: it's restricted to core GNOME apps and components. Is there a list of what is a core GNOME component anywhere?
[07:57] <seb128> RAOF, hey, I replied the other day that I was unsure how those are handled nowadays
[07:58] <RAOF> Ah, sorry. I obviously missed that.
[07:58] <seb128> using https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/ doesn't sound like a match of what we want...
[07:58] <seb128> no worry
[07:59] <seb128> so yeah, sorry, we probably need to give that some extra consideration ... is there a mailing list discuss or something on the topic?
[07:59] <RAOF> So, we found https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-build-meta/-/tree/master/elements/core which seems reasonable?
[08:00] <RAOF> We have neither a SRU-team mailing list, nor an archive-admin mailing list.
[08:00] <RAOF> We probably should! :)
[08:04] <ricotz> in addition to "core there is "sdk" -- https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-build-meta/-/tree/master/elements/sdk
[08:04] <ricotz> good morning desktopers!
[08:04] <marcustomlinson> hey ricotz
[08:13] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz 
[08:34] <RAOF> "ricotz" (https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_ricotz:matrix.org): yeah, but SDK clearly contains non-GNOME things. I don't think you'd get many takers if you claimed krb5 under the GNOME MRE 😉
[08:35] <RAOF> Also, hi!
[08:41] <duflu> seb128, do you want me to get the fix for bug 1866194 committed for focal? I don't have a test environment for it but SRU testing would work
[08:44] <duflu> The OEM guys are pretty busy with focal laptop enablment so we could just drop it into git and wait in line
[08:50] <ricotz> RAOF, hey, yeah, but sdk actually contains the "core", glib and gtk ;)
[09:20] <seb128> duflu, commiting to git sounds fine to me yes
[09:21] <duflu> Heh. Just when I had started on another gnome-shell task and cooking dinner. I'll see how many of those I get done today
[09:26] <pieq> duflu, I gotta run, but if you need help with validation of this bug on given hardware or with a given scenario, just let me know. You could also get in touch with Rex Tsai on that matter, I think
[09:26] <duflu> No hurry today
[09:26] <duflu> Good night
[09:26] <pieq> (I'm talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1866194 )
[09:26] <duflu> Yep
[09:26] <pieq> 👍
[09:27]  * pieq bye
[10:47] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 88ad0e7 Sebastien Bacher debian/ changelog patches/0009-lock-Add-Lock-Screen-on-Suspend-option.patch patches/0015-connectivity-add-network-connectivity-checking-toggl.patch * https://deb.li/3ysQN
[10:47] <KGB-0> * d/p/0009-lock-Add-Lock-Screen-on-Suspend-option.patch,
[10:47] <KGB-0>   d/p/0015-connectivity-add-network-connectivity-checking-toggl.patch:
[10:47] <KGB-0>   - updated to work correctly with the new libhandy
[10:47] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 2deb4f2 Sebastien Bacher debian/ changelog patches/series patches/ubuntu_restore_sharing.patch * https://deb.li/EsJc
[10:47] <KGB-0> * debian/patches/ubuntu_restore_sharing.patch:
[10:47] <KGB-0>   - restore the ability to share the screen using vino, upstream is using
[10:47] <KGB-0>     gnome-remote-desktop but that's not enabled in Ubuntu
[11:21] <Wimpress> Morning o/
[11:21] <Wimpress> I am PTO today. Working on some community projects.
[11:21] <Wimpress> seb128: Can I ask a favour?
[11:22] <Wimpress> ayatana-indicator-sound is in the upload queue for Groovy. 
[11:22] <Wimpress> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/groovy/+queue
[11:23] <Wimpress> As far as you can tell, is there anything going to prevent it from migrating from proposed?
[11:23] <Wimpress> It is the last component from the Ayatana project I require to migrate Ubuntu MATE.
[11:23] <Wimpress> Something I'd like to do later today if possible.
[12:17] <seb128> Wimpress, hey, sure, let me review it
[12:17] <didrocks999> seb128: if you need anything for me, do not hesitate
[12:18] <seb128> thanks but it should be alright
[13:06] <marcustomlinson> morning kenvandine
[13:06] <kenvandine> Good morning
[13:07] <kenvandine> Or afternoon :-)
[13:10] <luna_> hello 
[13:11] <luna_> Watching Debconf but 20 minutes pause currently
[14:42] <hellsworth> good morning folks
[14:48] <luna_> hey
[14:49] <didrocks999> hey hellsworth 
[14:49] <hellsworth> hiya didrocks999 how's it going?
[14:52] <hellsworth> i don't know why https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages says that libreoffice is waiting on essentially all builds.. when all of the builds passed just fine
[14:55] <didrocks999> hellsworth: still busy time, but good :) You?
[14:55] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth 
[14:55] <hellsworth> i'm ok.. there are large mountains on fire here so the air is very smokey
[14:57] <didrocks999> urgh :(
[15:02] <didrocks999> hellsworth: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html has more info
[15:02] <didrocks999> libreoffice-nogui/amd64 in main cannot depend on libreoffice-impress-nogui in universe
[15:02] <didrocks999> so yeah, the message is misleading on the other page
[15:02] <didrocks999> libreoffice-nogui/amd64 in main cannot depend on libreoffice-writer-nogui in universe
[15:02] <didrocks999> (and so on…)
[15:03] <didrocks> is that a package split or anything?
[15:03] <hellsworth> yeah hmm thank you didrocks 
[15:03] <hellsworth> i have no idea.. going to look into it now though
[15:03] <hellsworth> ricotz: fyi ^^
[15:03] <didrocks> 2 things: either it’s a split, we had the -writer and other in -no-gui and we can promote those to main
[15:03] <didrocks> or -no-gui is not needed in main
[15:03] <didrocks> those 2 are straightfoward to fix (if you ask any AA like seb or I)
[15:03] <hellsworth> thank you :)
[15:03] <hellsworth> the advice is appreciated :)
[15:03] <didrocks> …or we gain new functionality, and depending on the code, we need a quick pre-MIR-check review (which I can do)
[15:03] <didrocks> yw
[15:06] <ricotz> didrocks, libreoffice-nogui should be good in universe
[15:09] <ricotz> hellsworth, the new metapackage libreoffice-nogui can be demoted to universe where the other -nogui packages are
[15:14] <hellsworth> alright that sounds good. any thoughts on how to do that? im going to go ask the internet too but never hurts to ask :)
[15:22] <hellsworth> yeah it would be great if there was a key/value pair for setting the archive the libreoffice-nogui package could be submitted to
[15:29] <ricotz> hellsworth, this has nothing to with the packaging, only the ubuntu archive itself
[15:30] <ricotz> so some archive admin would need to flip some switch :)
[15:30] <didrocks999> I probably was disconnected at the start of the discussion, mind pasting it?
[15:30] <hellsworth> i'd be happy to didrocks999 
[15:31] <didrocks999> hellsworth: I got starting from "17:22:34      hellsworth | yeah it would be great …"
 didrocks, libreoffice-nogui should be good in universe
 hellsworth, the new metapackage libreoffice-nogui can be demoted to universe where the other -nogui packages are
 alright that sounds good. any thoughts on how to do that? im going to go ask the internet too but never hurts to ask :)
[15:33] <didrocks999> ack, let me check reverse dependencies :)
[15:33] <didrocks999> (note: it’s not seeded directly)
[15:34] <hellsworth> https://pastebin.com/m15T5ych
[15:34] <didrocks999> ack, thanks!
[15:34] <hellsworth> didrocks999: i cut out all of the connection info since it seemed like there were a lot of reconnections
[15:34] <didrocks999> I will just look at what is pulling it in the new package
[15:35] <didrocks999> probably a recommends of something
[15:38] <didrocks999> interesting, nothing is pulling it
[15:38] <didrocks999> I think what happened is that an AA NEWed libreoffice-nogui without overrides and so, it ended up in main wrongly
[15:39] <didrocks999> demoting it, anyway, I’ll check if something want to put it back
[15:39] <didrocks999> but no recommends/depends I can see, nor any regexp in the seed
[15:39] <hellsworth> oh interesting indeed. thank so so much didrocks999 :D
[15:40] <didrocks999> (too many 9, so too many disconnections :p)
[15:41] <didrocks> hellsworth: ricotz: done (https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F5nd7k7Mrj/)
[15:41] <hellsworth> didrocks: since you just demoted libreoffice-nogui then can we go ahead and launch rebuilds to get it through proposed?
[15:41] <didrocks> hellsworth: oh, no need for rebuilds
[15:41] <hellsworth> nice and thank you!
[15:41] <didrocks> just wait for the archive to notice it
[15:41] <hellsworth> ok cool
[15:41] <didrocks> then, if all autopkgtests pass, it should migrate
[15:42] <hellsworth> right
[15:42] <didrocks> the message in the #by-team variant is just wrong, it’s not missing binaries
[15:42] <hellsworth> ok it's nice to know that it was just wrong :)
[15:42] <hellsworth> made it confusing
[15:42] <didrocks> (well, I think if #by-team is just looking at main, technically, the deps were missing there :p)
[15:43] <didrocks> but still confusing message