 They're very different devices internally
 The size is similar but the N5X has far better specs, although that comes at the cost of not working with any of the same roms
 Also don't buy the N5X
 They will all die
 Bootloop of death
 Where the big CPU cores break
 And if that doesn't kill it then the eMMC will probably fail eventually in a similar way
[00:04] <KNERD> yeah, thanks for that input. It seems all the good devices are selling for a high price due to support by various Linux ROMS like UB Ports
[00:04] <KNERD> I guess I will just have to wait for another round of PinePhone release
 @Paul JL [I saw this and was curious. … https://www.zdnet.com/article/t-mobile-backs-ubuntu- …], That's old, and the news article was misleading - it was actually a kind of advisement consortium canonical formed, nothing in joining said they would release phones
[00:23] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> To your knowledge, is there any Ubuntu phone that can be used on the T-Mobile network?
 So far they all "work"
 Just not volte on any devices yet
 So you need to use 3g if you want to receive calls
 Nexus 5 works fine.
[02:08] <KNERD> starting next year, only phones with VoLTE will function on them for calls
 Oh yeah, forgot about that.
 I will just have to move to pinephone then
 eventually volte will make its way there
[02:34] <KNERD> It's alreayd on it
 @LostVX [Are there any games out there for ubt], There are a number of games available, but all simpler 2D stuff. Asteroids, Snowball World, Pacman Pack, PathWind, UBports Netwalk, Yatzy, Halloween 16, Esviji, Aircraftwar, Coil, Five Letters, Frogger, Mines, Save The Forest, T-tris - are among the better ones to me.
 @Paul JL [To your knowledge, is there any Ubuntu phone that can be used on the T-Mobile ne …], any that supports US GSM bands
 i used nexus 5 with UT on t-mo US for ~3 years
 @mateosalta [Just not volte on any devices yet], i think it's not entirely clear on whether volte works or not on all devices
 @Paul JL [To your knowledge, is there any Ubuntu phone that can be used on the T-Mobile ne …], On T-mobile I've used OnePlus One receiving 4G, and Meizu Pro 5 receiving HSPA/3G.  I've had no problems with calls with either,tested  in TX, CA and FL.
 @mrcyjanek [Hey! Can anybody confirm that notifications in Pesbuk are working or not?], it should work if you prevent suspension via UTTT. However, I noticed that recently, the site doesn't update the notification sigils anymore even when not suspended. Push notifications rely on these. Not sure if this was caused by a UT update or th
[03:51] <ubptgbot> r facebook mobile site itself
 @Javacookies [it should work if you prevent suspension via UTTT. However, I noticed that recen …], Okay, should I also keep the app opened in background?
 hey, i have a questions, the google nexus 6 is supported for Ubuntu touch installer? or?
 @mrcyjanek [Okay, should I also keep the app opened in background?], yes, it should be opened on the background. The push notification support is really just a workaround since we can't expect facebook to provide that to is 😄
 @Boris Mihailov [Would crossbuilder help me for the onscreen keyboard? I would actually like to t …], I used crossbuilder when I was working on the keyboard although I remember that I did a few things before I got it to work properly. Not sure if that's improved now since it's been while 😄
 @Javacookies [yes, it should be opened on the background. The push notification support is rea …], Okay! Thanks
 @Lirrums [hey, i have a questions, the google nexus 6 is supported for Ubuntu touch instal …], 🤔🤔🤔
[04:04] <KNERD> On screen keyboard? PinePhone is going to get a physical one!
 On the website, there is the google Nexus 6P, but I would like to know if the google Nexus is compatible with UT :(
 @Lirrums [On the website, there is the google Nexus 6P, but I would like to know if the go …], I think only the 6p has a functional port. There might be a port for 6 but it might not be functional or got abandoned already
 Oh hey I was trying to port the nexus 6 once upon a time but ran into a lot of issues
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/mc5PLfX2.png
[08:53] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> I have problems installing maliit-framework and maliit-plugins for compiling the keyboard. I have unmet dependencies and the ppa doesn't exist anymore (because I guess it has been decided to be included in the distro) … Can somebody with 18.04 (or even 16.04) check if they have everything they need?
 @Boris Mihailov [I have problems installing maliit-framework and maliit-plugins for compiling the …], osk -> @Javacookies ?
 @Boris Mihailov [I have problems installing maliit-framework and maliit-plugins for compiling the …], I got it working when I was still on 16.04. Let me check on this again when I get the chance. What branch are you using? I think it should still be `xenial` instead of `master`
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[10:57] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @Javacookies [I got it working when I was still on 16.04. Let me check on this again when I ge …], It's a HEAD based branch I think, but it's the same with xenial from what I've seen. Will try to compile the xenial one too
[10:58] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Nope, same error
[10:59] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> It asks for the maliit framework (I haven't installed it on my machine), and when I'm trying to install it there are unmet dependencies that I can't seem to solve (missing packages). If I don't find a quick way, will try and building the framework from source
[11:02] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> I've read somewhere that it should be possible to build it directly on the device if I set it up right, but that was when I was doing my research 3-4 months ago, so not sure if I read or dreamed about it :D
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqL1BLzn3qc
 I think you can and you might not even need crossbuilder for that but I never tried that
 I only do on device development for QML-only changes
[11:09] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @Javacookies [I only do on device development for QML-only changes], Can you point me to the right documentation ?
 no, I don't think there's a documentation for that. But if you really want, you can mount your rootfs as rw then resize it so that you can install stuffs. Then try compiling it normally.
[11:14] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Got it. Still a direction. Ty
[11:17] <ubptgbot> <Alexander Tsoutsanis> @Alexander Tsoutsanis [Hi all, after updating MX4 arale (ubuntu edition) to OTA 10 back in fall 19, I a …], Gentle nudge for the above. Bash command line to enable dev mode via Terminal is much appreciated (as system settings GUI has bug and crashes).
 @Alexander Tsoutsanis [Hi all, after updating MX4 arale (ubuntu edition) to OTA 10 back in fall 19, I a …], You dont need dev mode, update happens through recovery. Use the UBports Installer, it will guide you through
 Dont check wipe! but check bootstrap
[12:48] <ubptgbot> <Alexander Tsoutsanis> Thank you Florian. This worked. System setting bugs also fixed in this OTA. Vielen dank !
 Gerne!
[19:11] <ubptgbot> <Karl Kelso> Paul My UBports CE PinePhone cannot make calls on T-Mobile or Mint Mobile on 4G but it receives calls and sends and receives texts. It will make calls on 2G/3G setting but then texts do not work. All calling and texting functions work for me on Mobian though.
[19:31] <ubptgbot> <Karl Kelso> @mateosalta Checking my PinePhone IMEI on T-Mobile currently lists the phone as missing Extended Range LTE and VoLTE.  … I assume something is different in the Ofono software that UT uses than the Mobian Modem Manager software as I can only receive calls with UT versus being able to make and receive calls on Mobian.
[19:41] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Listening to you guys talk makes me think this whole thing is over my head. I really don't like the idea of Google and other companies like them having access to my information. Who knows how far this will go? Will they be able to listen in on everything after a while? Will they be able to use my camera in my phone to spy on me? What are
[19:41] <ubptgbot> some resources I can use to educate myself?
 huh
 i don't know what you're asking, but it seems a bit overly paranoid
 @Paul JL [Listening to you guys talk makes me think this whole thing is over my head. I re …], If you use Ubuntu touch you are already way safer
 The safest device on Ubuntu touch is pine phone due to not having the android container
[19:45] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they AREN'T out to get you. 😉
[19:47] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Amy, what network does the UT run on?
 @Paul JL [Amy, what network does the UT run on?], ? Wdym
 Carrier? It depends on the phone
 I use EE
[19:48] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> My Samsung A 20 runs on the T-Mobile network. Can I run the UT  T-Mobile or do I need to switch to another Network?
 @Paul JL [Amy, what network does the UT run on?], any GSM network
 UT works fine on T-mobile
 @Paul JL [My Samsung A 20 runs on the T-Mobile network. Can I run the UT  T-Mobile or do I …], It should run fine
 Samsung A20 is not a supported device though
 @dohbee [Samsung A20 is not a supported device though], Can't it be ported if he wants to try
 maybe
[19:50] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Rodney, I'm not entirely happy with my a20. Plus in order to stay off of tracking I have to have my phone set up to where apps like maps and even MapQuest set to not disclose my location unless I'm using the app. However when it set that way it doesn't know where I am and I have to plug in an address so it can find me. It's a pain in the
[19:50] <ubptgbot> butt!
 @Paul JL [Rodney, I'm not entirely happy with my a20. Plus in order to stay off of trackin …], Have you tried a custom ROM first?
[19:52] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Rodney: you're over my head again. Isn't ROM read-only memory? How does that work on a cell phone?
 that wasn't me
[19:53] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Sorry, that was Amy.
 anyway in terms of android "ROM" is the set of images you flash to the device; which tend to be read-only yes
[19:55] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> This thing is way over my head. Is there someplace I can read up about this and then ask some questions?
 just like if you have a flashable gameboy cart and flash a gameboy game rom to it
 well there's "the internet"
[19:55] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> I'm not a gamer and by no means a techie.
 but beyond that i don't know of what specific place to go for whatever it is you're lacking
[19:55] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> The internet is a big place. Can you point me in the right direction?
 i think you're probably trying to think too much about it though
[19:56] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> I guess I'll look up Android ROM and see what I can find out.
 i guess you could read up on lineageos
 but this is getting pretty off topic for here, as it's not about UT
[19:57] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Wait a minute ... UT doesn't use an Android system so what does Android ROM have to do with that?
 in terms of your original question, UT will work on t-mobile just fine
[19:57] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Thanks Rodney, that's all I wanted to know. I guess I can learn anything else I need to on the Fly.
 @Paul JL [Wait a minute ... UT doesn't use an Android system so what does Android ROM have …], UT does run a very minimal Android in a container, on devices that shipped with android, as it's the only way to get hardware to work
[19:59] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> I guess what I'll do is order myself a UT because I understand it takes a long time to get here from Europe. Once I have it in hand I'll see if you guys can help me make it work.
 @Paul JL [Wait a minute ... UT doesn't use an Android system so what does Android ROM have …], People always call us ROM since that term (for whatever reason) was adopted for any Android installable OS. I think its not the best name. But we are very different from pure Android, including how to install, so we always tell people Ubuntu Tou
[20:00] <ubptgbot> ch is not an Android ROM. Well.. its confusing I agree ^^
 @Paul JL [I guess what I'll do is order myself a UT because I understand it takes a long t …], Just make sure you order one of the supported devices. Check https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 note that not all of those are installable from the installer
[20:03] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> So the UT is an operating system and not a phone. More new information.
 probably a nexus 4 or 5 is the easiest/cheapest to get
 @Paul JL [So the UT is an operating system and not a phone. More new information.], that is right. Obvious for us. Obvioudly not for everyone. 😁
[20:09] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Danfro, 🤣 so true. I guess I'll look for a phone now and then get back to you guys about how to install the new operating system.
 Make sure it is in the list first
 @Paul JL [Danfro, 🤣 so true. I guess I'll look for a phone now and then get back to you g …], Do that. Then head over to @welcomeplus for install related questions.
[20:16] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Danfro: Thank you and thanks to all here for your help.
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 @Paul JL [Danfro: Thank you and thanks to all here for your help.], You are welcome. ☺
[20:57] <ubptgbot> <Karl Kelso> @Paul JL [Listening to you guys talk makes me think this whole thing is over my head. I re …], If you look up Rob Braxman Tech on YouTube, he offers a lot of videos about privacy issues and how to address them on computers as well as phones. He talks about how to de-Google phones, as well concerns about Apple’s practices.
 @Karl Kelso [If you look up Rob Braxman Tech on YouTube, he offers a lot of videos about priv …], Is he the guy that did that video on /e/ lmao
[21:01] <ubptgbot> <Karl Kelso> @amyosx [Is he the guy that did that video on /e/ lmao], Not sure, I have only seen a handful of his videos but it seems like I remember seeing him talk about either /e/ or Lineage, possibly both.
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 Hi!
 Quiero descargar "UBUNTU TOUCH" .No tendré problema extra?
[21:15] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> @Karl Kelso [If you look up Rob Braxman Tech on YouTube, he offers a lot of videos about priv …], Thanks Karl! I'll look him up and see what I can find out. 🤘😎
[21:17] <ubptgbot> antipodes_1953 was added by: antipodes_1953
 @VikingoAr [Quiero descargar "UBUNTU TOUCH" .No tendré problema extra?], this group is in English. If you'd prefer to use Spanish, you can join https://t.me/UBports_ES
 Thank you!
[21:24] <ubptgbot> <Karl Kelso> @Paul JL [Thanks Karl! I'll look him up and see what I can find out. 🤘😎], You are welcome. He is good place to start just for a primer on privacy since he touches on various aspects. If you are interested in the PinePhone specifically, the Pine64 forum has sub forums for different OSes and their level of functionality.
[22:27] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> I'm just interested in a UT that will run on the T-Mobile network. I'll look around and see what I can come up with.
 @Paul JL [I'm just interested in a UT that will run on the T-Mobile network. I'll look aro …], you can use UT on a nexus 5 on t-mobile just fine
 probably xperia x too
[22:40] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> Thanks guys!
 (Photo, 468x661) https://irc.ubports.com/6nA0MdHE.png Ohh god!!
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 @Karl Kelso [If you look up Rob Braxman Tech on YouTube, he offers a lot of videos about priv …], The app  Brax.Me  is his work also iOS android and ubports