[01:21] <MzR_Massey> Good evening
[02:32] <xbfrog> i have ubuntu 20.04 installed for some months. i have an Hp printer and linux Hplip installed which puts an icon on my desktop with device manager in the contents. Clicking on device manager should open settings for fax and printing. well, clicking on it once opens up the app. close it and minutes later try to open it agan? won't open. only reboot seems to refresh it.
[02:33] <xbfrog> any ideas what's wrong?
[02:33] <willma> I was installing build-essential on old system ubuntu 18.04 but there has unmet dependencies...When I use aptitude, I found that it could solve the problem by downgrade one package and it worked very well for me ... Now the problem is that I want aptitude to automatically respond to choose the solution of the resolver since I was building a Docker image ... Does anyone know how to use aptitude to automatically choose the solution ???
[04:37] <Teachmehow> Hi. I mistakely deleted everything inside /var/logs in my ubuntu. My laptop is working fine but will I encounter any possible problems in the future because of the deletion? Thanks.
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> Teachmehow: logs renew when they occur
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> Teachmehow: you can also trigger your logs in realtime with: journalctl -f
[05:32] <coolchris> hello after careful evaluation i have determined ubuntu is a peace of shit and i am going back to windows
[05:33] <coolchris> man it really sucks bad
[05:47] <Kolas> ok. bye
[06:02] <osse> "piece"
[07:30] <Cymew> Anyone know if there's  a way to stop that annying "What's new in ubuntu" popping up on a newly installed system?
[07:32] <diskin> Cymew, there should be a checkbox "[x] show next time" or something similar, no?
[07:40] <Cymew> diskin: I must have missed that. That would help a bit. Is there a way to make sure it never shows up at all? I'm installing multiple machines pre-prepped and I really don't need it. Is it a startup service or something?
[07:43] <diskin> Cymew, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1028822/disable-the-new-ubuntu-18-04-welcome-screen
[07:49] <crst> Hi, something messes up my ip rules. They change to something else a couple of seconds after `netplan apply`. 18.04 with docker and kubernetes on it. This prevents my cluster from being reached from the outside. Please help.
[07:51] <Cymew> diskin: Looks like there are options. Many thanks diskin.
[08:17] <fritzroy15> hello, i'm on ubuntu 18.04 which runs python 2.7; is it possible to have a specific program run in python3? I need to run "git pull-request", but that only works with python 3, and I'm not sure how to set it up so only that one uses p3
[08:21] <jelly> fritzroy15, 18.04 has both python2 and python3.  What fails to work specifically and in what way? (pastebin full command line and output)
[08:28] <fritzroy15> jelly I remember switching over to p3 and a bunch of stuff broke, so I never tried it again
[08:28] <xtao> if a script requires python3 it should have python3 in the #! line at the top of the script. i'm guessing it just has python which is probably symlinked to python2
[08:29] <xtao> python 2 isn't even installed on my 20.04.1
[09:55] <jelly> fritzroy15, I have no idea how you "swithed over to py3" but messing with /usr/bin/python would be a very bad idea
[10:02] <tacomaster> I have recently switched over to linux and the only issue I am having is I cant seem to get my audio to play well. I have a usb hyper x cloud stinger style headset. It does play but I am not getting near the range that I was in windows 10. Can someone help me out here to figure out what is going on?
[10:02] <tacomaster> I use my headset for work all of the time so it pretty important to me
[10:16] <styx-tdo_> hi, where would i find an ancient package version?
[10:16] <styx-tdo_> i look for sudo-ldap 1.8.16-0ubuntu1.7
[10:22] <furycd001> @styx-tdo_: Here you go friend >> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/amd64/sudo-ldap/1.8.16-0ubuntu1.7
[10:37] <styx-tdo_> thanks - that wasn't it, sadly. *sigh*
[10:37] <styx-tdo_> does anyone here use SUDO with LDAP and wildcards?
[10:38] <styx-tdo_> for whatever reason, some hosts accept * in the hostname, others don't
[10:38] <furycd001> I tried -_-*
[10:42] <styx-tdo_> host dc-city-role-aa*   - this works on dc-city-role-aa01 but not on dc-city-role-aa10
[10:43] <styx-tdo_> actually just role-*
[10:44] <styx-tdo_> even without the - ...     sudo: ldap sudoHost 'xxx-yyy-zzz*' ... not
[10:44] <styx-tdo_> * should be eeither aa01 or aa10 (or aa 18,... )
[10:46] <styx-tdo_> wait.. these hosts seem to have an identity crisis
[10:46] <styx-tdo_> which hostname does sudo use?
[11:26] <styx-tdo_> ... not hostname. not uname -n. just good ol' /etc/hosts.
[11:26] <styx-tdo_> and if you have 127.0.0.1 localhost xxxxxxxx - then localhost it is
[11:56] <tacomaster> Can someone help me get sound working in qemu working? I have installed the spice guest drivers but I am still not getting sound on my windows 10 vm
[11:57] <Ellipsis753> Do Samba network shares store full linux permissions? If I backup my files to one and restore later will it be lossless?
[11:58] <akem> Ellipsis753, No afaik.
[12:00] <akem> tacomaster, Try virtualbox instead if you can, with guest additions.
[12:00] <akem> I never had any driver problem with it, and Windows 10 runs like a charm.
[12:02] <tacomaster> Will virtualbox support passing my mic and audio to the guest with out stealing it from the host?
[12:02] <Ellipsis753> akem: Ok. Thanks. I'll have to tar.gz my backups or something.
[12:04] <akem> tacomaster, I don't think you can record the mic on host and guest at the same time even with qemu. Audio out is just like any other programm mixed normally. And mic is not locked if not in use.
[12:05] <prappl93> Ellipsis753, you could use a program like deja-dup to do the backup/restore. I just did this the other day to back up my /home directory from a desktop I was decommissioning to a NAS, then restore it on my laptop that I'm using instead and it worked pretty well.
[12:05] <akem> Just like any regular audio program you would use tacomaster/
[12:05] <tacomaster> akem, I am postive it is possible in qemu as one of my friends has it setup in manjao.
[12:05] <tacomaster> positive*
[12:06] <akem> tacomaster, I see. Then maybe its possible with Virtualbox too then...I couldn't tell.
[12:07] <Ellipsis753> prappl93: Thank you. I'll look into it.
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:29] <croraf_> hi
[12:40] <eraserpencil> hey all, trying to figure out what I did wrong. I did an `apt upgrade` from a flavor of Ubuntu 20.04 (Regolith1.3), after which I found myself to be on a development branch of Groovy Gorilla.
[12:51] <kre10> hey guys, how are you? Can you please help me with something? I want to create a bash script for following things:
[12:52] <kre10> delete folder, run python script, coppy .sh script to the folder which python script created, run .sh script and coppy the modified folder to new place
[12:52] <kre10> thank you.
[12:56] <tacomaster> akem, Ha I was able to get it setup in virtualbox with it still having the speakers and mic on both the host and guest.
[12:56] <tacomaster> akem, Ty for the recommendation
[13:08] <akem> tacomaster, Cool. Np.
[13:32] <telmich__> good day
[13:33] <telmich__> I am running ubuntu 20.04 on a computer with a touch screen. Since today's upgrade, an on screen display is showing, whenever I touch on a text field
[13:33] <telmich__> As the computer has a physical keyboard, I don't want/need this. I checked the universal access settings and in there the screen keyboard seems to be disabled
[13:33] <telmich__> Does anyone have a hint on how to disable it correctly?
[13:34] <BurgundyBird> Does anyone know i can change my computer fan speed?
[13:34] <telmich__> I just see - if I enable it, it is stuck there all the time. If I disable it, it only appears when I touch a text field. But I want neither of it
[13:34] <BurgundyBird> know how*
[13:53] <telmich__> It seems I am hitting https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742246, however it seems https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1723857 states that it has been solved
[13:53] <telmich__> I am confused
[14:29] <croraf_> Hi, I would need fast help, please. How to verify that I have disabled Nvidia GPU?
[14:29] <croraf_> I have another Intel GPU
[14:29] <croraf_> that is like integrated.
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> croraf_: sudo lshw -C video
[14:31] <croraf_> *-display UNCLAIMED
[14:31] <croraf_>        description: VGA compatible controller
[14:31] <croraf_>        product: TU104BM [GeForce RTX 2080 Mobile]
[14:31] <croraf_>        vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
[14:31] <croraf_>        physical id: 0
[14:31] <croraf_> lotuspsychje,
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> croraf_: unclaimed means, no driver loaded
[14:31] <coconut> !pastebin | croraf_
[14:32] <croraf_> so Nvidia is disabled?
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> croraf_: the driver for your nvidia card is not loaded
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> croraf_: check your dmesg for what went wrong
[14:33] <croraf_> I intentionally disabled it, I just needed to verify
[14:33] <croraf_> I also disabled Nouveau.
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> oh you did
[14:34] <croraf_> What is confusing is that when I open Software&Update->AdditionalDrivers it shows that "Using X.Org X - Nouveau" is checked
[14:55] <eraserpencil> Hi, reposting my question here should someone know what happened. hey all, trying to figure out what I did wrong. I did an `apt upgrade` from a flavor of Ubuntu 20.04 (Regolith1.3), after which I found myself to be on a development branch of Groovy Gorilla.
[14:57] <prappl93> eraserpencil, This article is from going to 18.04 to 20.04, but I think it may help: https://www.howtogeek.com/351360/how-to-upgrade-to-the-latest-version-of-ubuntu/
[14:58] <prappl93> You might've entered an early release channel at some point.
[15:04] <coconut> eraserpencil, are you sure ? Apt upgrade should not upgrade to another system when your sources.list is not modified
[15:07]  * BluesKaj wonders if eraserpencil used the -d flag
[15:08] <eraserpencil> coconut, I am pretty sure it was the apt upgrade. 1) there was a considerable list of packages to upgrade which first caught my attention, but nothing I saw could break what I'm doing (which I now know am wrong). 2) the upgrade changed a some kernel things (too late to abort, i guess). 3) my computer fans went crazy after the upgrade
[15:09] <eraserpencil> i too suspect the sources.list have been edited, just not sure what edits could bring me to the early release channel
[15:12] <eraserpencil> BluesKaj: isnt -d download-only?
[15:16] <BluesKaj> sudo do-release-upgrade -d is development release command...if that's what what you used
[15:16] <eraserpencil> definitely not
[15:16] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:17] <eraserpencil> would any of the checkboxes in the software updater have configured apt sources.list in such a way I could enter the early release branch?
[15:21] <BluesKaj> eraserpencil, not sure if the preleased updates box would upgrade to dev release tho
[15:22] <BluesKaj> I've never used it
[15:24] <eraserpencil> i don't believe it will.. but shouldnt be hard for me to check it with a fresh install anyway
[15:27] <croraf_> Does this mean that I'm using Nvidia with Nouveau drivers, and not propriatery?
[15:27] <croraf_> https://termbin.com/6kyk
[15:28] <coconut> eraserpencil, with the "pre-released updates" enabled from software & updates(that checkbox) you would have stayed with focal. I would have checked whether my sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* files are proper.
[15:30] <eraserpencil> coconut: would you be able to share with me how /etc/apt/sources.list.d would have to be configured for me to be on the eraly release branch?
[15:30] <BluesKaj> croraf_, yes, looks like nouveau is still in use
[15:31] <croraf_> BluesKaj, this is so strange because I did: Additional Drivers -> "Using NVIDIA driver metapackage from nvidia-driver-440" and then Apply
[15:31] <croraf_> Could it be that my kernel didnt load Nvidia drivers?
[15:32] <croraf_> I did this on kernel 5.4 and then switched to 5.8. Does this impact?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> does nvidia still require dkms build?, haven't used my nvidia card for a few yrs
[15:35] <croraf_> BluesKaj, not sure what dkms is, but it might be that the mainline kernel didnt load the drivers then fallbacked to Nouveau
[15:35] <BluesKaj> could be
[15:38] <coconut> eraserpencil, you would have done that by hand, afaik ## you can check yours with "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" and "cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*"
[15:38] <croraf_> BluesKaj, but it shouldnt matter that I did the driver switch in kernel 5.4 and then i booted with 5.8?
[15:38] <coconut> eraserpencil, and use a pastebin if you need to share them here
[15:42] <BluesKaj> croraf_, check this out,  https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/ubutun-20-04-driver-440-installed-but-cant-enable-nvidia-gc/125019/6
[15:50] <croraf_> BluesKaj, I think Nvidia will be loaded when I return to ubuntu's kernel
[15:50] <croraf_> I'm on mainline kernel atm
[15:52] <coconut> eraserpencil, if they are ok, then you probably have used do-release-upgrade, and not apt.
[15:52] <BluesKaj> yeah, mainline is a non default kernel, so don't think the kernel module/driver will load
[15:56] <MadLamb> I'm getting this very annoying power connect/disconnect notifications randomly. Sometimes every minute, sometimes every 5 minutes... Its a notebook and it is always connected.
[15:57] <MadLamb> I already tried to look at dmesg and journalctl but it does not produce a log when the sound happens
[15:57] <MadLamb> would nice to know why it happens but worst case I just need to disable it as it is driving me crazy
[15:58] <prappl93> MadLamb, is your charger cable fully connected everywhere and not shorting out?
[15:59] <MadLamb> prappl93, I'm sure its fully connected. If its shorting out is a more difficult thing to know
[15:59] <prappl93> Do you have a second one you could test to see if it persists?
[16:00] <Maik> notebook model and brand? Maybe there are reports out there with the same issue
[16:01] <Maik> also which ubuntu version?
[16:01] <MadLamb> prappl93, will do it
[16:01] <MadLamb> Maik, its a razer blade stealth 2018
[16:04] <eraserpencil> coconut hmmm.. perhaps you're right. unconvinced, but that seems logical
[16:04] <coconut> eraserpencil, oh wait... if you are on groovy then your sources.list is already changed, so you cannot check that...
[16:04] <eraserpencil> yeap
[16:05] <coconut> what does "lsb_release -a" say?
[16:06] <eraserpencil> i was thinking the distro swapped to an early-release branch, but i am not able to reproduce with a fresh install of said distro.. soo
[16:07] <eraserpencil> errr i dont have that machine with me right now, But i determined i was on the development branch of groovy gorilla cause that was what it said on Settings-> About
[16:09] <Maik> I didn't see the rest of the discussion but iirc support for development branch is in #ubuntu+1 so if you have issues with groovy you should go there. :)
[16:11] <jwash> does anyone know of a panel that will remain on top even when programs like firefox are full screen with f11
[16:13] <coconut> eraserpencil, downgrading is not supported, so you would need to reinstall from 20.04.1 or 20.04.
[16:14] <eraserpencil> coconut: yeap, i have accepted that fate. Just curious what I might have done.
[16:15] <coconut> maybe you have been drunk, i don't know :)
[16:15] <eraserpencil> There is a certain peace one has during a fresh install, a certain hope that this time will be the last time
[16:24] <rapidwave> How come on 20.04 trying to download virtual guest additions iso, it cannot download all the source files?
[16:30] <ZombieChicken> hmm
[16:30] <rapidwave> I noticed it's speciifcally libvncserver1 that is failing
[16:33] <arooni> anyway to get ubuntu to stop cutting off my time/date? 20.04.  https://imgur.com/a/5aLo5vI
[17:11] <tatertots> arooni: was your time/date covered immediately after installing? or not until you got things cluttered like that?
[17:11] <arooni> tatertots:honestly i dont recall; i did an upgrade from 18.04
[17:43] <Exterminador> hello guys. so, every time I boot my system I'm presented with a pop-up that says that a system problem was detected and if I want to report it. I remember of having this issue once in another laptop and I just had to delete a file somewhere to get rid of this. any ideas?
[17:44] <tomreyn> Exterminador: yu could look in /var/crash - but chances are this will just come back.
[17:45] <tomreyn> that's unless you have since solved whatever causes the system problem to occur
[17:46] <Exterminador> well, how can I see what might have caused this?
[17:47] <Exterminador> the file is: _usr_bin_onboard.114.crash
[17:47] <tomreyn> Exterminador: what's the timestamp on it?
[17:48] <Exterminador> tomreyn: August 24
[17:48] <tomreyn> and is there also an .upload and .uploaded file?
[17:49] <Exterminador> tomreyn: nope, there isn't
[17:49] <tomreyn> so it wasn't reported, yet, which makes sense, after all that's what the prompt is about.
[17:50] <tomreyn> 24th is 3 days ago here, though
[17:50] <tomreyn> you couzld just delete it and see whether it comes back, maybe on next reboot?
[17:50] <tomreyn> onboard is the onscreen keyboard
[17:50] <tomreyn> you could also unpack the crash report using apport-unpack
[17:50] <xtao> my experience is that if you click to report them you just get "an internal error has occured" so i never bother
[17:51] <Exterminador> the output of `ls -lh _usr_bin_onboard.114.crash` is: -rw-r----- 1 lightdm whoopsie 6,6M août  24 20:04 _usr_bin_onboard.114.crash
[17:51] <Exterminador> let me reboot and try to report it 1st
[17:52] <tomreyn> so the on-screen keyboard application must have crashed at the graphical login (lightdm) then
[17:52] <Exterminador> then I'll delete the file and reboot to se if it re-appears
[17:52] <Exterminador> but now all works fine, so..
[17:52] <tomreyn> or just move it elsewhere before you reboot now
[17:53] <Exterminador> moved the file and I'll reboot now. brb
[17:54] <tomreyn> if you want to repor tthe bug now, you could also run   apport-bug /var/crash/_usr_bin_onboard.114.crash`
[17:54] <tomreyn> without the trailing '
[17:55] <Exterminador> just moved the file, rebooted and no pop-up
[17:58] <tomreyn> here's how you can access a lit of crashes previously reported for your system:   x-www-browser https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/$(sudo cat /var/lib/whoopsie/whoopsie-id)
[17:58] <tomreyn> *liSt
[17:59] <xtao> do you have to have an account to be able to report crashes then? that might explain why it always just says there's been an internal error when i try it
[17:59] <Exterminador> also, `apport-bug _usr_bin_onboard.114.crash` lead to a nice: Sorry, Ubuntu 20.04 has exeprienced an internal error.
[17:59] <xtao> yes. that
[18:01] <tomreyn> Exterminador: maybe the bug report is incomplete or something. unfortunately, apport itself is also full of bugs, and doesn't get enough love these days.
[18:01] <tomreyn> most of the time it just works, though
[18:02] <xtao> if i switch bluetooth off then it always crashes on every reboot. but i've tried reporting it 4 or 5 times now and always just get the internal error. so i gave up and now i just leave bluetooth enabled instead where it doesn't crash
[18:02] <Exterminador> this is what happens when I try `/usr/bin/onboard` directly: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZQN23V89Dw/
[18:04] <mastah> xtao: try this > ExecStart=/usr/lib/bluetooth/bluetoothd --noplugin=sap
[18:04] <Exterminador> that was using root. with  normal user i get `20:03:20.304 WARNING Config: mousetweaks GSettings schema not found, mousetweaks integration disabled.`
[18:04] <mastah> in bluetooth.service
[18:04] <tomreyn> Exterminador: warnings are fine. and dont run guis as root
[18:04] <xtao> ok
[18:04] <mastah> then systemctl daemon-reload ; systemctl restart bluetooth
[18:05] <Exterminador> just let me try to open the onboard on the login screen
[18:05] <Exterminador> that might reproduce the crash?
[18:05] <Exterminador> brb
[18:05] <tomreyn> Exterminador: possbily. if it does, tell us about what you're running there, and whether it's fully up to date.
[18:08] <Exterminador> no error this time. possibly it was an 1st-time-after-install the OS?
[18:09] <tomreyn> maybe, if you installed 3 days ago
[18:10] <Exterminador> yeah I did. since then, the pop-up was been there but I was just ignoring it
[18:11] <Exterminador> about the system being updated, I do run `apt update && apt dist-upgrade` every single day lol
[18:14] <Exterminador> I was wondering.. is it possible to use the same pubkey from one laptop in another one?
[18:16] <Exterminador> my VPS (remote) are only accessible when I use the public key(?) to login (no username and password allowed). and they need to be rebooted to accept another new pubkey.
[18:16] <xtao> mastah: that didn't work. still crashed
[18:16] <xtao> _usr_bin_blueman-tray.1000.crash
[18:16] <xtao> i've tried reported it again, same issue, "an internal error has occured"
[18:17] <xtao> oh. but it worked on the second attempt. good
[18:17] <Exterminador> the crash happens when you reboot with BT off?
[18:17] <xtao> yes. if BT is switched off it crashes. if it's enabled then it works fine
[18:17] <Exterminador> let me try to reproduce it in my laptop :)
[18:18] <xtao> i've managed to get the crash report to upload on the 2nd attempt :)
[18:18] <tomreyn> xtao: which ubuntu version is this, and is it fully up to date?
[18:18] <xtao> it's actually xubuntu 20.04.1 and yes it's 100% up to date
[18:19] <xtao> so i'm talking about it in the wrong channel really. but i got involved because of the discussion about crash reports
[18:19] <Exterminador> on my system, no crash log even with BT off
[18:20] <tomreyn> anything regarding official flavours is fine here, when it comes to the foundation
[18:20] <Exterminador> it turns on itself w/o any issues
[18:20] <tomreyn> xtao: ^ also, do you want to share the unique url for your ubuntu installation?
[18:20] <xtao> how do i find that out
[18:21] <tomreyn> xtao: i explained a couple minutes ago: <tomreyn> here's how you can access a lit of crashes previously reported for your system:   x-www-browser https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/$(sudo cat /var/lib/whoopsie/whoopsie-id)
[18:21] <xtao> oh i see
[18:22] <tomreyn> and i just reproduced the 'list -> list typo again
[18:22] <tomreyn> ignore that last line ;)
[18:22] <xtao> https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/ae3f3b44b0e74e99de3f8db898d6317a24409a9fe184c790383812d7c24ed3733ce8abd5d8c12bad5414cdecfd274e6302db9675f65f77f510757c3833e78030
[18:22] <tomreyn> fresh installation, hmm?
[18:23] <xtao> yep. installed a week ago
[18:23] <tomreyn> 8 days :)
[18:24] <tomreyn> it tries to find a file  $HOME/.cache/blueman-tray-$UID   but this does not exist, which apparently makes it crash
[18:24] <tomreyn> run    echo $HOME/.cache/blueman-tray-$UID    to get the specific file it is looking for
[18:24] <xtao> that file does exist right now. but i've got it enabled again
[18:25] <xtao> i could try disabling it and rebooting it again to check?
[18:26] <tomreyn> does /usr/bin/blueman-tray belong to some debian package you have installed?
[18:26] <tomreyn> dpkg -S /usr/bin/blueman-tray
[18:26] <tacomaster> Is there a tool that checks ubuntu installs for common mistakes that make it less secure?
[18:27] <xtao> it just outputs blueman: /usr/bin/blueman-tray
[18:27] <xtao> it's likely to be this: blueman/focal,now 2.1.2-1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
[18:27] <tomreyn> ah right, this package provies the file on focal
[18:28] <tomreyn> xtao: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blueman/+bug/1871336
[18:29] <xtao> known issue then :)
[18:30] <tomreyn> and another https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blueman/+bug/1877524
[18:31] <Exterminador> I'm a bit annoyed with one thing. on Windows, I can type A with tilde (Ã) using `AltGr+2` (in a French keyboard) but I can't make it work in Xubuntu?
[18:31] <Exterminador> whenever I try that, I get `~A` instead
[18:31] <xtao> right. so it's fixed in 2.1.3 and i'm running 2.1.2
[18:32] <tomreyn> exactly, focal has 2.1.2-1, not 2.1.3-1 (groovy has 2.1.3-2 to date)
[18:33] <tomreyn> Exterminador: you probably have a non UTF-8 locale set
[18:33] <xtao> thanks :) good to know. and also now i know that report issues *does* work if you just retry it a few times
[18:33] <Exterminador> I'm using 2.1.2-1 of blueman and i can't reproduce the BT issue
[18:34] <tomreyn> xtao: this bug is being reported a couple times every minute, so i guess there's a chance it will get handled at some point.
[18:34] <Exterminador> tomreyn: my `locale` output: https://termbin.com/hfwq
[18:35] <grimpo> If there's a package which doesn't have an actual Ubuntu maintainer (only an upstream maintainer), do bugs reported in launchpad basically sit there, unseen, forever?
[18:36] <sarnold> grimpo: pretty much; if no one who is affected goes to the work of finding a fix and preparing an SRU update to sponsor, that's the usual outcome https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[18:36] <tomreyn> Exterminador: i guessed wrong. maybe it's just the keyboard layout then:   sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[18:36] <grimpo> sarnold: thanks
[18:38] <Exterminador> tomreyn: there's a small problem. Portuguese on Xubuntu doesn't seem to have an AZERTY (French) layout?
[18:39] <tomreyn> Exterminador: you'd need to ask this on in #xubuntu please
[18:42] <ph0g> hey
[18:42] <ph0g> 0
[18:42] <ph0g> i installed openvpn as a service and made it connect on boot through my openvpn config -> this also works.
[19:15] <xbfrog> hi, i have ubuntu 20.04 installed and Hplip and Hpgui installed. i can open the gui device manager just once. if i need do open it again i must log off or reboot why is this happening?
[19:16] <xbfrog> *Hp makes the app but offers no support
[19:18] <xbfrog> what i would like to do is completely remove both and reinstall to hopefully fix it
[19:20] <sarnold> xbfrog: start up journalctl -f in a terminal, start the gui, close the gui, start the gui, and pastebin the journal contents; someone may have suggestoins
[19:20] <xCf> Just installed Ubuntu Budgie Linux anmd I am superhappy! Configured the theme and the layout also and I like it so much :)
[19:20] <xbfrog> ok will do
[19:22] <xbfrog> gotta log off to do this
[19:22] <xCf> I have to take a beer and enjoy my super nice screen setup :)
[19:34] <xCf> oooo nightlight xD
[19:34] <xCf> *happy*
[19:41] <xCf> Anyone else uses the budgie flavour?
[19:41] <xbfrog> Hplip gui can only be opened once per login
[19:41] <xbfrog> but here is the pastebin
[19:41] <xbfrog> https://pastebin.com/qzXRqjP9
[19:42] <xbfrog> trying to open hplip gui a second time does nothing
[19:44] <xCf> where can i find some nice free linux wallpapers? rather without any text
[19:45] <xbfrog> i found all my linux wallpapers by googling "linux wallpaper" there are several sites that offer them
[19:45] <xbfrog> free
[19:46] <xbfrog> some have text some dont
[19:46] <xbfrog> i picked thru them
[19:47] <coconut> xCf, apt search wallpapers
[19:54] <coconut> xCf, if you have a picture of you screen setup and willing to share, then query me :)
[20:11] <xCf> hi
[20:18] <xbfrog> https://pastebin.com/qzXRqjP9 any help?
[20:20] <sarnold> xbfrog: very helpful :)
[20:21] <sarnold> xbfrog: first, please use ubuntu-bug hplip-data   to file a bug report on this package -- include one of those DENIED lines in the bug report
[20:22] <xbfrog> ok, never did a bug report, you really think it's a bug?
[20:22] <xbfrog> where do i go to report this? i have no idea
[20:22] <sarnold> xbfrog: yes, the apparmor profile is apparently too restrictive
[20:23] <xbfrog> ok got that
[20:23] <xbfrog> so report this to github or what? i'm in the dark how to proceed
[20:24] <xbfrog> i can write the report just need to know where to go
[20:25] <xbfrog> i'm googling
[20:25] <xbfrog> heh, seems Hp linux has a bug site :)
[20:26] <xbfrog> ok nevermind
[20:26] <sarnold> xbfrog: first, 'ubuntu-bug hplip-data' -- to make sure our printer maintainer guy sees it too :)
[20:26] <pavlos> xbfrog: ubuntu-bug will post in launchpad (you need an account there)
[20:26] <xbfrog> i log accounts so thats no issue
[20:26] <pavlos> xbfrog: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[20:28] <xbfrog> ok sooo, how do i send ubuntu-bug hplip-data to printer maintainer?
[20:29] <xbfrog> he have an email or website?
[20:29] <xbfrog> heda hopper would be proud :)
[20:30] <sarnold> xbfrog: just run ubuntu-bug hplip-data
[20:30] <sarnold> xbfrog: launch the browser
[20:30] <sarnold> xbfrog: fill out the bug :)
[20:30] <sarnold> done
[20:30] <xbfrog> ok, i'm still now following you. how do i run that?
[20:30] <xbfrog> i'm still a nOOb
[20:31] <xbfrog> ok can fill out the bug
[20:31] <xbfrog> i just thot you were saying send a copy to the printer maintainer
[20:31] <xbfrog> that lost me
[20:32] <xbfrog> ok will start with the bug report
[20:33] <sarnold> xbfrog: ah, sorry :) our printer guy follows the bug reports, so that should be good :)
[20:34] <guntbert> xbfrog: the intention was that you should not only tell HP about the bug, but use    ubuntu-bug hplip-data   on the command line
[20:34] <xbfrog> ok, thanks now i understand ;)
[20:34] <xbfrog> thank you
[20:51] <grobkorn> hi @all .... tried to change the icon size in the "start menu" - (the menu, that appears when you hit the button, located in the lower left corner) - in found a solution, where i can change the desktop icon size and/or the icons in the tab on the left - but no hint, how to change the other icons... it would be nice, if they are smaller than now...
[20:51] <grobkorn> can someone point me to the right direction, please?
[20:53] <oerheks> icons size is in systemsettings
[20:54] <oerheks> systemsettings > dock
[20:54] <xbfrog> in apperance
[20:54] <xbfrog> you should see icon size
[20:54] <xbfrog> yes dock
[20:55] <xbfrog> mine is systemsettings/apperance/dock
[20:55] <grobkorn> oerheks i am using 20.04 ... icant see this menu item :(
[20:55] <oerheks> oh you will find it
[20:56] <xbfrog> i'm using the same
[20:56] <xbfrog> 20.04
[20:56] <grobkorn> oerheks ah yes ... now... sorry, im blind... ok .. but this feature changes the icon in the dock.... NOT the icons in the start menu
[20:58] <xbfrog> i dunno what your doing but it does for me
[20:58] <oerheks> not sure there is such option.
[20:58] <xbfrog> what do you mean start menu?
[20:59] <grobkorn> when u press super - that menu that appears... how is it calld?
[20:59] <xbfrog> mayb i see, you mean when you click on the square dot pattern ? and it brings up apps?
[21:00] <grobkorn> yep
[21:00] <xbfrog> ok
[21:00] <xbfrog> as far as i know, they are only controlled by your screen resolution
[21:00] <grobkorn> how is that menu called?
[21:01] <grobkorn> ;)
[21:01] <xbfrog> apps
[21:01] <xbfrog> show apps
[21:01] <grobkorn> ah ok...its only controlled by screen resolution? thats a pitty...
[21:01] <xbfrog> or most corretly show applications when you hover over it
[21:02] <xbfrog> you can submit a christmas list to ubuntu :)
[21:02] <xbfrog> did you want them smaller or bigger?
[21:02] <grobkorn> smaller
[21:03] <xbfrog> i'm im wonering if there is an app to customize them. thats the only answer i see atm
[21:04] <pavlos> grobkorn: cant you change Settings>appearance Dock icon size from 48 to 36
[21:04] <oerheks> pavlos, true, for the dock, not the app menu..
[21:04] <xbfrog> lemme see
[21:04] <oerheks> i find no instance with dconf either
[21:04] <xbfrog> right oerheks
[21:04] <grobkorn> yeah - that changes the icons in the dock ONLY
[21:04] <xbfrog> yes
[21:06] <gambl0re> does ubuntu or debian based distros support docker?
[21:21] <oerheks> gambl0re, 'based distros' we don t know, ubuntu does
[21:21] <oerheks> and you know that too
[21:23] <grobkorn> its strange... no google entries about that icon-size.thing... seems, im the only one who wants that feature ;)
[22:22] <Kaedenn> Ubuntu 20.04. How difficult is it to write a new notification applet that appears in the notification area? I want a little icon to appear when a program is running and disappear when the program exits.
[22:22] <Kaedenn> I don't know if things like geyes work anymore with the new panel
[22:23] <Kaedenn> Moreover, how do I move the clock from the center to the right of the top panel? No combination of ctrl, alt, shift, and clicking gives me a context menu
[22:25] <MrFixIt> Kaedenn, you might be able to do it from dconf-editor, but there are gnome-shell extensions that will allow that as well.
[22:25] <Kaedenn> Do you have a package or binary name I can look up?
[22:26] <MrFixIt> take a look at this link from the gnome-shell extensions site. Its called Frippery Move Clock... https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/2/move-clock/
[22:34] <sarnold> Kaedenn: check your ~/.bashrc -- there may be an 'alert' alias that can use notify-send to pop something up on screen
[22:34] <Kaedenn> Oh I already use notify-send for all sorts of things. I was hoping for a permanent little icon
[22:35] <sarnold> Kaedenn: it's different than what you asked for, it isn't showing all the time, but it's handy for things like doing a long task ... longtask ; alert
[22:35] <sarnold> aha
[22:35] <Kaedenn> I'm using this to monitor whether or not the VPN process is running.
[22:35] <Kaedenn> Because presently it's entirely command-line and doesn't give any UI feedback
[22:36] <Kaedenn> And if there's a problem, I'd like to see that in the lack of an icon in the notification area rather than a notify-send notification that I might miss by being away from my computer
[22:40] <grimpo> So, suppose there's a package that Ubuntu is currently bringing in from Debian with no changes and there's no Ubuntu maintainer specified. And suppose that this package has a bug filed against it in Debian's tracker which has been closed WONTFIX because the patch offends the maintainer's sense of purity, but makes the package far more useful to real people. What would be the best way to find someone who could assum
[22:40] <grimpo> e the role of package maintainer in Ubuntu and apply the patch?
[22:41] <sarnold> Kaedenn: hmm, the nm-applet thing has a little icon that I use to tell when my vpn i sconnected
[22:41] <sarnold> Kaedenn: but it may only work if nm manages the vpn ;/ I'm not sure there
[22:41] <amazoniantoad> I just connected an external display but the resolution is really off - what's more is that it says the resolution is 1920 x 1080
[22:41] <amazoniantoad> Can someone help me resolve this issue?
[22:42] <sarnold> grimpo: prepare a debdiff for it, demonstrate that it fixes a problem, fill out the SRU paperwork, and hopefully a patch pilot will sponsor the changes
[22:45] <grimpo> sarnold: Hmm, suppose that this bug is minor enough that getting the patch into a future release would be good enough, in which case an SRU wouldn't be needed (right?)?
[22:47] <sarnold> grimpo: there's a lot less precedent there for me to work with -- I don't recall seeing that happen often, but perhaps I don't see it because it juts happens where I don't see it :)
[22:50] <grimpo> sarnold: fair enough - I'll do some more poking around, thanks
[22:53] <Kaedenn> If I want to add that icon to the top panel in 20.04, should I write a gnome-shell extension?
[22:59] <ikarus> when getting libraries, is there a way to know how it is packaged in ubuntu, vs what the creators have provided?
[22:59] <ikarus> e.g. for llvm stuff, I'm not sure what the proper method of installing is
[23:02] <MzR_Massey> good evening, I am wondering, how do I grant a program the access to write logs  (Icecast2 is the program I am working with)
[23:04] <sarnold> hey MzR_Massey, still no luck?
[23:04] <sarnold> MzR_Massey: the postinst of the icecast package includes some commands to set the correct ownerhsip of log files..
[23:05] <MzR_Massey> no luck so far sarnold
[23:06] <MzR_Massey> I tried creating a directory home/icecast/log/ and creating 2 empty files
[23:06] <MzR_Massey> for the logs
[23:06] <MzR_Massey> and it still won't write to them lol
[23:08] <MzR_Massey> I wonder if I remove icecast2
[23:08] <MzR_Massey> is there a place it could leave hidden files?
[23:09] <sarnold> MzR_Massey: honestly, it'd probably be a lot easier to apt-get purge icecast2, re-install it, and ignore the guide :)
[23:10] <MzR_Massey> which guide would you suggest using?
[23:10] <sarnold> MzR_Massey: I'd start with /usr/share/doc/icecast2/README.Debian and see what it has to say
[23:19] <MzR_Massey> this chat seems to keep disconnecting me randomly, I'm not sure why
[23:20] <^iverson> buy a new connection
[23:21] <donofrio> what am I doing incorectly?  I just tried an upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04.1 using sudo do-release-upgrade https://paste.opensuse.org/12042431 ?
[23:23] <sarnold> MzR_Massey: what irc client are you using? 'ping timeout' happens when your client doesn't reply to a PING? questoin from the server in four minutes -- which is an absolute eternity..
[23:23] <sarnold> MzR_Massey: quite often ping timeouts happen because you've got something busted pretty bad in the network, but I think I've seen some irc clients that just plain couldn't stay connected
[23:24] <sarnold> donofrio: heh, that's not much to work with :( look in /var/log/ for something that looks like a "full upgrade" log or "dist upgrade" log
[23:26] <donofrio> in /var/log/dist-upgrade I have a main.log that contains http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZwVHkhDdj9/
[23:27] <sarnold> donofrio: anything else? that's also pretty thin :(
[23:31] <donofrio> sarnold, in a diretcory 20200827-1918 I found a file main.log that has http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DWvhv978m4/
[23:35] <donofrio> sarnold, my setup is https://www.tinyurl.com/donofriovines/photos/tech-2018/wsl1-and-windows10
[23:37] <sarnold> donofrio: ahhhhh, wsl, that might not be a do-release-upgrade candidate
[23:38] <Captain_Proton> I have an HP laptop AMD® Ryzen 5 4500u. I have installed amdgpu-pro driver since then when I close my screen when it wakes up, it stays black and I have to hold down the power button till it shut off.
[23:43] <Captain_Proton> I have search the wire and have have found many related problems and non of the solution's have worked. I found this kernel patch  Re: [PATCH v2] drm/amd/display: use correct scale for actual_brightness  not sure if that the issue. Anyone else have this problem
[23:43] <donofrio> sarnold, how else can I upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04.1 without using do-release-upgrade?
[23:44] <Captain_Proton> donofrio,  that it or backup and reinstall
[23:44] <donofrio> dang ok....I can do that just was hoping for a smooth upgrade
[23:55] <Captain_Proton> Should I exchange this laptop for an intel?
[23:55] <Loshki> Upgrades are never as reliable as from-scratch installs, since you can never test all the combinations anyway.
[23:57] <MzR_Massey> Hey, How do I grant my sub user (masterz) the access to run icecast?
[23:57] <MzR_Massey> I re-installed it
[23:58] <sarnold> MzR_Massey: what irc client are you using? 'ping timeout' happens when your client doesn't reply to a PING? questoin from the server in four minutes -- which is an absolute eternity..
[23:58] <sarnold> MzR_Massey: quite often ping timeouts happen because you've got something busted pretty bad in the network, but I think I've seen some irc clients that just plain couldn't stay connected
[23:58] <MzR_Massey> I'm using the webchat.freenode.net
[23:58] <sarnold> MzR_Massey: what's wrong with the icecast2 user? :) use it to run icecast..
[23:59] <MzR_Massey> I have no idea how to get into that icecast2 user
[23:59] <MzR_Massey> lol I only know how to login as root and my other username